I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................

oohaahmortimer

Nathan Jason Jones , you have pleaded guilty to the charges brought by this court, and it is now my duty to pass sentence. You are an habitual football dullard , who accepts shit unattractive football as an occupational hazard, and presumably accepts poor results in football in the same casual manner. We therefore feel constrained to commit you to the maximum term allowed for these offences: you will go to Charlton for five years.

Croydon

sam3110 said:

Why do we take 10 mins to make subs? They seem to strip off, then seemingly have to pick their lunch options on an iPad, have a 5 mins pep talk from Curtis Fleming, then play with their boots and socks for another 2 mins before allowed to come on, it's bizarre 

Jones says in his interview about making positive subs. That may have been the case but because we faff for so long we ended up conceding before the triple change
 

thenewbie

Six points clear with three games left should be a very encouraging position and have us thinking what a success the season has been, given we came up from the play offs and havent spent much by Championship standards.

The fact that it still feels pretty miserable and gloomy despite that shows just how depressing and tedious the actual football has been. Jones isn't going anywhere. Our owners don't seem the kind to set targets, see them met then fire the manager anyway. However I don't rule out them making more appealing tactics part of those targets as it will drive people away and cost us financially. It does remain to be seen just how much can be tolerated in the name of pure pragmatic results.

Manic_mania

anyone would think sheff w have been losing 4-0 every week all season - half the division have at least drawn with them. 

paulsturgess

ForeverAddickted said:

paulsturgess said:

ForeverAddickted said:

paulsturgess said:

ForeverAddickted said:

paulsturgess said:

ForeverAddickted said:

LittleAddick said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Should be thankful that people are calling for Jones' head again

As each time its happened so far, he's made those comments look idiotic and pathetic

I don't necessarily agree with those calls - but in my view we're past the point of calling them idiotic and pathetic. We genuinely can't score more than one goal, even against a team on -4 points.

The question that always struggles to get answered with the Jones out calls

Is what did you all expect at this stage of the season, that is being done differently?

If you expected us to be doing worse, then we're doing better

If you expected us to be doing better, then am sorry thats just naivity 

If you didn’t expect us to be doing better, then you have not been watching any of our matches. Fact. People need to get a grip and stop banging on about budget and playing football manager , looking at bits of paper.

look at the players on the pitch and how effing pitiful they are playing. If you don’t think they could and/or should be doing better, then you are the naive one!

Survival is the target, its been the aim all season nothing more... nothing less

Yet despite how pittiful we're playing, we're still in control of our destiny, we've still not entered the bottom three

Sorry but those are the facts I'm looking at

I'm sorry you're deviating from the point here:

Your comment - " if you expected us to be doing better, than am sorry thats just naivety"

my response is this a single simple question - "do you think the team should be playing better than they are?"

Please answer with one word only - yes or no

(and before answering would urge you to reflect on today's opponents, Preston and Watford's recent/current form)

Its not a Yes or No answer... and you know it.

Of course we all want to see Charlton playing better, but against opposition at this level with experience and nous, we'd get f**king slaughtered - So instead we play within our means, we grind our results by any means necessarily, and provided that we achieve the target that is survival... I dont care how that is achieved.

Talking of form, as you've mentioned it, that (as I've stressed of late) is a lazy line, its another useless stat that has absolutely no meaning on future games... What happens in the past, has absolutely zero bearing on the future.

Let me ask YOU this... Would you accept things, if we were playing better, but in Leicester's position currently?

Are you drunk? 

why are you trying to associate playing better with being in a worse position?! Playing better is generally likely to result in being in a better position. 😂

as I’ve said throughout the entire season, I’m not actually calling for Jones to be sacked. However, some of the contrived arguments people come out with to try and protect jones from criticism at all costs are mental. 

Disaggregate this from accounts; disaggregate this from our league position in February 2024; disaggregate this from Leicester’s playing style. 

Just look exclusively at the players/ squad we have and the matches we have been playing; I have watched pretty much every minute of every game this season. We have been toilet since October, pretty much entirely. I’m not even saying we should be playing a great style of football, we can play ugly- fine! But our players and squad should have been putting in, on average and over that period, better performances, and we should have been getting, on average and over that period, better results. 🤷‍♂️

Apologies for not falling for your lazy "Yes" or "No" trap

Am curious - Why SHOULD we have been puttng in better performances and results...?

What is the reason for that... ?

Even Jones has said it himself!!!

🤣 

Perhaps you can get in touch with him and correct him

hoof_it_up_to_benty

cafcnick1992 said:

Exceeding pre-season expectations and people are dissatisfied. Please can you all stop embarrassing yourselves.

My pre-season expectations were for our football to not have been as terrible as it has in a large number of games. We've been lucky to scrape some of our victories and I'm not sure what optimism there is?

Presumably more of the same next season if NJ is at the helm and our luck runs out. I can't see us improving under him.

DamoNorthStand

cafcnick1992 said:

Exceeding pre-season expectations and people are dissatisfied. Please can you all stop embarrassing yourselves.

Current league table - agreed. We are exceeding expectations.

If we go down then we will would have simply matched pre season expectations. And on current form it is touch and go.

We will know more in a week.

ForeverAddickted

paulsturgess said:

ForeverAddickted said:

paulsturgess said:

ForeverAddickted said:

paulsturgess said:

ForeverAddickted said:

paulsturgess said:

ForeverAddickted said:

LittleAddick said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Should be thankful that people are calling for Jones' head again

As each time its happened so far, he's made those comments look idiotic and pathetic

I don't necessarily agree with those calls - but in my view we're past the point of calling them idiotic and pathetic. We genuinely can't score more than one goal, even against a team on -4 points.

The question that always struggles to get answered with the Jones out calls

Is what did you all expect at this stage of the season, that is being done differently?

If you expected us to be doing worse, then we're doing better

If you expected us to be doing better, then am sorry thats just naivity 

If you didn’t expect us to be doing better, then you have not been watching any of our matches. Fact. People need to get a grip and stop banging on about budget and playing football manager , looking at bits of paper.

look at the players on the pitch and how effing pitiful they are playing. If you don’t think they could and/or should be doing better, then you are the naive one!

Survival is the target, its been the aim all season nothing more... nothing less

Yet despite how pittiful we're playing, we're still in control of our destiny, we've still not entered the bottom three

Sorry but those are the facts I'm looking at

I'm sorry you're deviating from the point here:

Your comment - " if you expected us to be doing better, than am sorry thats just naivety"

my response is this a single simple question - "do you think the team should be playing better than they are?"

Please answer with one word only - yes or no

(and before answering would urge you to reflect on today's opponents, Preston and Watford's recent/current form)

Its not a Yes or No answer... and you know it.

Of course we all want to see Charlton playing better, but against opposition at this level with experience and nous, we'd get f**king slaughtered - So instead we play within our means, we grind our results by any means necessarily, and provided that we achieve the target that is survival... I dont care how that is achieved.

Talking of form, as you've mentioned it, that (as I've stressed of late) is a lazy line, its another useless stat that has absolutely no meaning on future games... What happens in the past, has absolutely zero bearing on the future.

Let me ask YOU this... Would you accept things, if we were playing better, but in Leicester's position currently?

Are you drunk? 

why are you trying to associate playing better with being in a worse position?! Playing better is generally likely to result in being in a better position. 😂

as I’ve said throughout the entire season, I’m not actually calling for Jones to be sacked. However, some of the contrived arguments people come out with to try and protect jones from criticism at all costs are mental. 

Disaggregate this from accounts; disaggregate this from our league position in February 2024; disaggregate this from Leicester’s playing style. 

Just look exclusively at the players/ squad we have and the matches we have been playing; I have watched pretty much every minute of every game this season. We have been toilet since October, pretty much entirely. I’m not even saying we should be playing a great style of football, we can play ugly- fine! But our players and squad should have been putting in, on average and over that period, better performances, and we should have been getting, on average and over that period, better results. 🤷‍♂️

Apologies for not falling for your lazy "Yes" or "No" trap

Am curious - Why SHOULD we have been puttng in better performances and results...?

What is the reason for that... ?

Even Jones has said it himself!!!

🤣 

Perhaps you can get in touch with him and correct him

Kin hell... Are you drunk? - However many hours later and your still remarkably triggered by what I said, says a lot about you that does 😂 

AberystwythAddick

DamoNorthStand said:

cafcnick1992 said:

Exceeding pre-season expectations and people are dissatisfied. Please can you all stop embarrassing yourselves.

Current league table - agreed. We are exceeding expectations.

If we go down then we will would have simply matched pre season expectations. And on current form it is touch and go.

We will know more in a week.

If you think that the internal pre-season expectations were to get relegated. Then I’m not sure what to say 

DamoNorthStand

AberystwythAddick said:

DamoNorthStand said:

cafcnick1992 said:

Exceeding pre-season expectations and people are dissatisfied. Please can you all stop embarrassing yourselves.

Current league table - agreed. We are exceeding expectations.

If we go down then we will would have simply matched pre season expectations. And on current form it is touch and go.

We will know more in a week.

If you think that the internal pre-season expectations were to get relegated. Then I’m not sure what to say 

I think expectations would have been 21st is a success and we are 19th.

Anyway you know as everyone else does here I’ve said for weeks / months we are likely to go down and I’ve been pretty consistent with that save for post Boro perhaps.

I think we are utterly pony.

But I’m still happy to admit the current league position is above expectations 

paulsturgess

ForeverAddickted said:

paulsturgess said:

ForeverAddickted said:

paulsturgess said:

ForeverAddickted said:

paulsturgess said:

ForeverAddickted said:

paulsturgess said:

ForeverAddickted said:

LittleAddick said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Should be thankful that people are calling for Jones' head again

As each time its happened so far, he's made those comments look idiotic and pathetic

I don't necessarily agree with those calls - but in my view we're past the point of calling them idiotic and pathetic. We genuinely can't score more than one goal, even against a team on -4 points.

The question that always struggles to get answered with the Jones out calls

Is what did you all expect at this stage of the season, that is being done differently?

If you expected us to be doing worse, then we're doing better

If you expected us to be doing better, then am sorry thats just naivity 

If you didn’t expect us to be doing better, then you have not been watching any of our matches. Fact. People need to get a grip and stop banging on about budget and playing football manager , looking at bits of paper.

look at the players on the pitch and how effing pitiful they are playing. If you don’t think they could and/or should be doing better, then you are the naive one!

Survival is the target, its been the aim all season nothing more... nothing less

Yet despite how pittiful we're playing, we're still in control of our destiny, we've still not entered the bottom three

Sorry but those are the facts I'm looking at

I'm sorry you're deviating from the point here:

Your comment - " if you expected us to be doing better, than am sorry thats just naivety"

my response is this a single simple question - "do you think the team should be playing better than they are?"

Please answer with one word only - yes or no

(and before answering would urge you to reflect on today's opponents, Preston and Watford's recent/current form)

Its not a Yes or No answer... and you know it.

Of course we all want to see Charlton playing better, but against opposition at this level with experience and nous, we'd get f**king slaughtered - So instead we play within our means, we grind our results by any means necessarily, and provided that we achieve the target that is survival... I dont care how that is achieved.

Talking of form, as you've mentioned it, that (as I've stressed of late) is a lazy line, its another useless stat that has absolutely no meaning on future games... What happens in the past, has absolutely zero bearing on the future.

Let me ask YOU this... Would you accept things, if we were playing better, but in Leicester's position currently?

Are you drunk? 

why are you trying to associate playing better with being in a worse position?! Playing better is generally likely to result in being in a better position. 😂

as I’ve said throughout the entire season, I’m not actually calling for Jones to be sacked. However, some of the contrived arguments people come out with to try and protect jones from criticism at all costs are mental. 

Disaggregate this from accounts; disaggregate this from our league position in February 2024; disaggregate this from Leicester’s playing style. 

Just look exclusively at the players/ squad we have and the matches we have been playing; I have watched pretty much every minute of every game this season. We have been toilet since October, pretty much entirely. I’m not even saying we should be playing a great style of football, we can play ugly- fine! But our players and squad should have been putting in, on average and over that period, better performances, and we should have been getting, on average and over that period, better results. 🤷‍♂️

Apologies for not falling for your lazy "Yes" or "No" trap

Am curious - Why SHOULD we have been puttng in better performances and results...?

What is the reason for that... ?

Even Jones has said it himself!!!

🤣 

Perhaps you can get in touch with him and correct him

Kin hell... Are you drunk? - However many hours later and you’re still remarkably triggered by what I said, says a lot about you that does 😂 

I merely came across our learned leader’s quote when reading (/panicking) about today’s game and our status and as you had queried why we should be doing better I thought I would share NJs own views with you out of mere courtesy and politeness sir!

Uboat

It don’t feel like it now, but 21st at the end of the season is a success. That was the consensus in July. Jones deserves more time on that basis. 

I’ve skimmed the last few pages, so maybe I’ve missed it, but if you want Jones out, who do you want in? Because you can’t have one without the other. So who is there? I’m in the ‘better the devil you know’ camp, because before you know it you’re in the realm of, ‘Charlton, who lie seven points from safety, have parted company with Will Still, why is expected to be replaced by his brother.’

oohaahmortimer

Throw a war chest at SCP, get the band back together, at least the blind love covers the pain of relegation 

llama_child_21cws

Jones is over performing as a manager. 
I am confused why fans are booing we are safe.
Things take time, just look at Millwall how long they have been in the leagie

Making_all_the_noise

I’ve long been a Jones sceptic but he’s achieved what we had to this season and must be well credited for that. I think we’ve been very lucky along the way. If we were to play those games again I could see us with a far lower points total. We’ve had a lot of the rub of the green and only been unlucky in a handful of occasions. 

I know it’s not everyone’s fave stat but our xg is basically bottom after Sheff W. Our actual conversion rate of xG is almost bottom in the league. If you put those two stats together it paints the grim picture we’ve all been watching.

Scraping survival was a success for this season, we shouldn’t lose sight of that but things have to change drastically over the summer, quality of the squad has to be transformed and style of play has to be less backs to the wall if we’re to become a mid table side. If we play like this next season, without points deduction benefits and with less luck on our side, we’re heading back down without a doubt. An important summer (aren’t they all….).

Croydon

llama_child_21cws said:

Jones is over performing as a manager. 
I am confused why fans are booing we are safe.
Things take time, just look at Millwall how long they have been in the leagie

Did you go today?

The Red Robin

I didn’t boo, but I didn’t clap them either. But I can understand the booing.

llama_child_21cws

Croydon said:

llama_child_21cws said:

Jones is over performing as a manager. 
I am confused why fans are booing we are safe.
Things take time, just look at Millwall how long they have been in the leagie

Did you go today?

Yeah I was there, you can't look at one game and boo when on the season as a whole we are over performing.
Look at L Jones reaction after the game, it has such a negative impact. Look at TC. 
We just come up to The Championship after years and people want prime Barcelona. It's definitely nothing to do with Jones, he doesn't have the players to play good football.

AberystwythAddick

llama_child_21cws said:

Jones is over performing as a manager. 
I am confused why fans are booing we are safe.
Things take time, just look at Millwall how long they have been in the leagie

We are not safe 

paulsturgess

Uboat said:

It don’t feel like it now, but 21st at the end of the season is a success. That was the consensus in July. Jones deserves more time on that basis. 

I’ve skimmed the last few pages, so maybe I’ve missed it, but if you want Jones out, who do you want in? Because you can’t have one without the other. So who is there? I’m in the ‘better the devil you know’ camp, because before you know it you’re in the realm of, ‘Charlton, who lie seven points from safety, have parted company with Will Still, why is expected to be replaced by his brother.’

I don’t disagree with this in a way. If we manage to drag ourselves over the finish line line, or more likely the finish line is lifted back over us whilst we lay prostrate in the mud, I do sort of back Jones to at least have us starting the season well / solid etc from pre season, as he seems to be able to get them fired up, organised and believing/ hard to beat for the first few games at least 

But tactical ability/ flexibility… subs… shapes… transfer nous… coaching attack 😬

paulsturgess

llama_child_21cws said:

Croydon said:

llama_child_21cws said:

Jones is over performing as a manager. 
I am confused why fans are booing we are safe.
Things take time, just look at Millwall how long they have been in the leagie

Did you go today?

Yeah I was there, you can't look at one game and boo when on the season as a whole we are over performing.
Look at L Jones reaction after the game, it has such a negative impact. Look at TC. 
We just come up to The Championship after years and people want prime Barcelona. It's definitely nothing to do with Jones, he doesn't have the players to play good football.

Prime Barcelona? What you on about? Why is this binary? It’s either prime Barca or it’s the stuff we serve up?

There is a world of difference and an enormous spectrum between the “style” we play and prime Barcelona. Nobody has ever in even the most subtle way possible intimated we should be playing scintillating total football. 

IR94

If we stay up, I do worry for us next season. We won't have the new league bounce that we had at the start of this, 2 teams with points deductions (one being statistically the worst champ side ever), we need some serious investment.

llama_child_21cws

paulsturgess said:

llama_child_21cws said:

Croydon said:

llama_child_21cws said:

Jones is over performing as a manager. 
I am confused why fans are booing we are safe.
Things take time, just look at Millwall how long they have been in the leagie

Did you go today?

Yeah I was there, you can't look at one game and boo when on the season as a whole we are over performing.
Look at L Jones reaction after the game, it has such a negative impact. Look at TC. 
We just come up to The Championship after years and people want prime Barcelona. It's definitely nothing to do with Jones, he doesn't have the players to play good football.

Prime Barcelona? What you on about? Why is this binary? It’s either prime Barca or it’s the stuff we serve up?

There is a world of difference and an enormous spectrum between the “style” we play and prime Barcelona. Nobody has ever in even the most subtle way possible intimated we should be playing scintillating total football. 

Yeah fair its not binary, but has anyone in our current squad before Charlton played for a team that has played attractive football at Championship level before? 
We can only work with what we have got
Aresnal going to finish in the top 2 of the prem specialising in set pieces. I am just thinking about realistic expectations at this stage 

Callumcafc

When Jones left Luton for Southampton, they were challenging for the top six in early November having just finished in the playoffs the summer beforehand. This was only two years after he rejoined them from Stoke and saved them from almost relegation (at our expense).

If you compare the starting XI of his first game in charge against Preston in June 2020, to the starting XI of their game against Sunderland in October 2022, only one player was in both sides.


We have a lot of growing still to do and I have no doubt Nathan Jones agrees with that.

llama_child_21cws

Callumcafc said:

When Jones left Luton for Southampton, they were challenging for the top six in early November having just finished in the playoffs the summer beforehand. This was only two years after he rejoined them from Stoke and saved them from almost relegation (at our expense).

If you compare the starting XI of his first game in charge against Preston in June 2020, to the starting XI of their game against Sunderland in October 2022, only one player was in both sides.


We have a lot of growing still to do and I have no doubt Nathan Jones agrees with that.

I agree we have to give Jones until December 2028 just before that transfer window to see where the squad is at this level

DamoNorthStand

llama_child_21cws said:

Jones is over performing as a manager. 
I am confused why fans are booing we are safe.
Things take time, just look at Millwall how long they have been in the leagie

That line again. 

Have I missed something? 

Do some people REALLY think we are safe and it’s impossible for us to go down?

Off_it

DamoNorthStand said:

llama_child_21cws said:

Jones is over performing as a manager. 
I am confused why fans are booing we are safe.
Things take time, just look at Millwall how long they have been in the leagie

That line again. 

Have I missed something? 

Do some people REALLY think we are safe and it’s impossible for us to go down?

No. Can't be. We are dead certs for relegation. Apparently.

LargeAddick

Croydon said:

llama_child_21cws said:

Jones is over performing as a manager. 
I am confused why fans are booing we are safe.
Things take time, just look at Millwall how long they have been in the leagie

Did you go today?

.

PeaksAndValleys

AberystwythAddick said:

Given the points deductions this is the most avoidable relegation ever. If it does happen it is an abject failure whichever way you look at it. 

People keep saying this but that is evened out to a large extent by the clubs we came up with. Neither of them have been anywhere near the relegation scrap all season, and the vast majority of years it would be them that you'd be hoping to shove below you on the way to survival. Last year all three promoted clubs stayed up (an anomaly) but they were all in it. This is a strange year for multiple reasons but it is not all in our favour, not by a long stretch. 

Add to that the fact that (as it stands at least):

- we're more than the deduction above Leicester
- multiple non deducted teams are below us and have been basically all season

and I find the any team would survive this season / if not for deductions we'd be down already narrative pretty ridiculous 

Crispywood

Bowyers L1 playoff final would wipe the floor with this current side. Jones Bell and Godden are the only players that make that side (Edwards injured all year doesn’t count). I’d question if jones was the right man if I knew there was an ounce of quality in this side but there’s not.