I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................

Chizz

Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long. 

I've ranked them in order of their win percentages. 

Kevin Nugent — 50.0%

Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%

Lee Bowyer — 45.5%

Nathan Jones — 43.0%

Chris Powell — 42.4%

Dean Holden — 39.2%

Alan Curbishley — 38.2%

Karl Robinson — 36.5%

Alan Pardew — 35.9%

Phil Parkinson — 34.3%

Guy Luzon — 32.4%

Nigel Adkins — 31.4%

Karel Fraeye — 28.6%

José Riga — 25.0%

Bob Peeters — 25.0%

Iain Dowie — 23.1%

Les Reed — 16.7%

Keith Peacock — 0.0%

Curtis Fleming — 0.0% 

To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons. 

Braziliance

I just don't see how anyone can watch what was on offer today, and convince themselves it can be any different next season. 

Some of the worst football this season, truly a difficult watch. 

Alwaysneil

I had to check but that side is a fair bit better than what we have now:

phillips

djiksteel bielik bauer sarr purrington

Pratley cullen aribo

taylor Parker

subs maxwell, pearce, solly, JFC, reeves, williams, lapslie

Sarr came off for Pearce moving to a diamind midfield. Williams came on cor Pratley on 70 mins.

Godden for Parker is an easy call but even Jones for Bauer is not a slam dunk, nor Bell for Sarr. Edwards for Purrington would get a lot of fan votes. Elsewhere though difficult to see any of our current players making the starting 11, good case for Mannion or Kaminski on the bench, ditto TC, Ramsay and probably no one else, unless Jones disnt make the first team and maybe sichenje.

None of our midfield makes the bench. 

Chris_from_Sidcup

IR94 said:

If we stay up, I do worry for us next season. We won't have the new league bounce that we had at the start of this, 2 teams with points deductions (one being statistically the worst champ side ever), we need some serious investment.

We do need to remember the clubs coming up aren't going to have the spending power of Birmingham and Wrexham.

Lincoln are going to have a tiny budget.
Cardiff just posted losses of 35m and that was before they got relegated, so they must be close to PSR trouble so i'm not sure they can go out and spend much.

wmcf123

Alwaysneil said:

I had to check but that side is a fair bit better than what we have now:

phillips

djiksteel bielik bauer sarr purrington

Pratley cullen aribo

taylor Parker

subs maxwell, pearce, solly, JFC, reeves, williams, lapslie

Sarr came off for Pearce moving to a diamind midfield. Williams came on cor Pratley on 70 mins.

Godden for Parker is an easy call but even Jones for Bauer is not a slam dunk, nor Bell for Sarr. Edwards for Purrington would get a lot of fan votes. Elsewhere though difficult to see any of our current players making the starting 11, good case for Mannion or Kaminski on the bench, ditto TC, Ramsay and probably no one else, unless Jones disnt make the first team and maybe sichenje.

None of our midfield makes the bench. 

Godden over Parker, Bell over Sarr, Edwards over Purrington.  Godden for Parker although keep in mind that Karlan Grant played quite a bit of that season .  It was a real shame that we couldn’t keep Aribo, Bauer and Bielik in the championship .  

The Red Robin

llama_child_21cws said:

Croydon said:

llama_child_21cws said:

Jones is over performing as a manager. 
I am confused why fans are booing we are safe.
Things take time, just look at Millwall how long they have been in the leagie

Did you go today?

Yeah I was there, you can't look at one game and boo when on the season as a whole we are over performing.
Look at L Jones reaction after the game, it has such a negative impact. Look at TC. 
We just come up to The Championship after years and people want prime Barcelona. It's definitely nothing to do with Jones, he doesn't have the players to play good football.

It’s not one game though is it. 

fenlandaddick

Some very good content from Nathan on Rich Cawley's substack. Well worth the money. NJ is open eyes about the situation, up to him to progress us over the summer

AberystwythAddick

fenlandaddick said:

Some very good content from Nathan on Rich Cawley's substack. Well worth the money. NJ is open eyes about the situation, up to him to progress us over the summer

But the players will love hearing that. It’s really going to motivate them to put their bodies on the line in these final few games 

fenlandaddick

AberystwythAddick said:

fenlandaddick said:

Some very good content from Nathan on Rich Cawley's substack. Well worth the money. NJ is open eyes about the situation, up to him to progress us over the summer

But the players will love hearing that. It’s really going to motivate them to put their bodies on the line in these final few games 

As we can see from Godden , he wants to stay and a new contract (that I would give him now), or he at least has the motivation to show any other club what a talent he is.

The other players need to react in the same manner. Lloyd Jones had a solid performance, and Chambers also played well.

I am sure our problem is the link between defence and attack and the confidence to know how to manage games. We need a ton of quality in the middle of the pitch. If I was playing there, I would be lifting myself up and giving a Godden level of performance. But it isn't as simple as that.

I'm sure we will get over the line, and the management team will shake things up over the summer.

All I want next season is a boring mid table finish.

If they don't , then I also think it will time for a change.

carly burn

Chizz said:

Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long. 

I've ranked them in order of their win percentages. 

Kevin Nugent — 50.0%

Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%

Lee Bowyer — 45.5%

Nathan Jones — 43.0%

Chris Powell — 42.4%

Dean Holden — 39.2%

Alan Curbishley — 38.2%

Karl Robinson — 36.5%

Alan Pardew — 35.9%

Phil Parkinson — 34.3%

Guy Luzon — 32.4%

Nigel Adkins — 31.4%

Karel Fraeye — 28.6%

José Riga — 25.0%

Bob Peeters — 25.0%

Iain Dowie — 23.1%

Les Reed — 16.7%

Keith Peacock — 0.0%

Curtis Fleming — 0.0% 

To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons. 

Looks like Fleming might be the problem.

;-)

Sword65pf

I don’t think I would boo, but I can fully understand the people that do, earlier in the season we had post match comments from NJ saying ‘ that’s not us, we don’t train that way, it won’t happen again under my watch. Well since them earlier season quotes, sound bites, we have put in a lot of similar , worse performances do it has happened again quite a lot.The buck has to stop with NJ, does he mention in the sub stack why he thinks it has become the normal level of performance rather than the exception? 

I wonder how he rates his own performance?, he deserves time to evolve but it needs to be noticeable quickly into next season, otherwise the boos are going to get louder and a lot more.

paulsturgess

Alwaysneil said:

I had to check but that side is a fair bit better than what we have now:

phillips

djiksteel bielik bauer sarr purrington

Pratley cullen aribo

taylor Parker

subs maxwell, pearce, solly, JFC, reeves, williams, lapslie

Sarr came off for Pearce moving to a diamind midfield. Williams came on cor Pratley on 70 mins.

Godden for Parker is an easy call but even Jones for Bauer is not a slam dunk, nor Bell for Sarr. Edwards for Purrington would get a lot of fan votes. Elsewhere though difficult to see any of our current players making the starting 11, good case for Mannion or Kaminski on the bench, ditto TC, Ramsay and probably no one else, unless Jones disnt make the first team and maybe sichenje.

None of our midfield makes the bench. 

What is the point of this comparison?

ElfsborgAddick

Crispywood said:

Bowyers L1 playoff final would wipe the floor with this current side. Jones Bell and Godden are the only players that make that side (Edwards injured all year doesn’t count). I’d question if jones was the right man if I knew there was an ounce of quality in this side but there’s not. 

Jones is responsible for the players that have come in.

Croydon

llama_child_21cws said:

Croydon said:

llama_child_21cws said:

Jones is over performing as a manager. 
I am confused why fans are booing we are safe.
Things take time, just look at Millwall how long they have been in the leagie

Did you go today?

Yeah I was there, you can't look at one game and boo when on the season as a whole we are over performing.
Look at L Jones reaction after the game, it has such a negative impact. Look at TC. 
We just come up to The Championship after years and people want prime Barcelona. It's definitely nothing to do with Jones, he doesn't have the players to play good football.

Wtf are you on about 

hoof_it_up_to_benty

Assuming we stay up do you trust Jones with signings? 

gringo

Chizz said:

Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long. 

I've ranked them in order of their win percentages. 

Kevin Nugent — 50.0%

Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%

Lee Bowyer — 45.5%

Nathan Jones — 43.0%

Chris Powell — 42.4%

Dean Holden — 39.2%

Alan Curbishley — 38.2%

Karl Robinson — 36.5%

Alan Pardew — 35.9%

Phil Parkinson — 34.3%

Guy Luzon — 32.4%

Nigel Adkins — 31.4%

Karel Fraeye — 28.6%

José Riga — 25.0%

Bob Peeters — 25.0%

Iain Dowie — 23.1%

Les Reed — 16.7%

Keith Peacock — 0.0%

Curtis Fleming — 0.0% 

To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons. 

Wheres Appleton?

llama_child_21cws

Croydon said:

llama_child_21cws said:

Croydon said:

llama_child_21cws said:

Jones is over performing as a manager. 
I am confused why fans are booing we are safe.
Things take time, just look at Millwall how long they have been in the leagie

Did you go today?

Yeah I was there, you can't look at one game and boo when on the season as a whole we are over performing.
Look at L Jones reaction after the game, it has such a negative impact. Look at TC. 
We just come up to The Championship after years and people want prime Barcelona. It's definitely nothing to do with Jones, he doesn't have the players to play good football.

Wtf are you on about 

It was an exaggeration to highlight having fair expectations

fenaddick

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

Assuming we stay up do you trust Jones with signings? 

I trust a Jones/Chapple combo. It's not like all the summer signings have been awful either

DamoNorthStand

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

Assuming we stay up do you trust Jones with signings? 

Let me go check out Luton Towns squad and I will let you know 

hoof_it_up_to_benty

I suppose we could raid the Lincoln squad for some of our ex players....

Crispywood

Braziliance said:

I just don't see how anyone can watch what was on offer today, and convince themselves it can be any different next season. 

Some of the worst football this season, truly a difficult watch. 

Because I’m hoping next season we won’t be running out with Coady Docherty and an out of form Carey as a midfield 3 with 2 wingbacks who have been instructed to not cross the halfway line 

peterreeves

Braziliance said:

I just don't see how anyone can watch what was on offer today, and convince themselves it can be any different next season. 

Some of the worst football this season, truly a difficult watch. 

This post sums up exactly how I feel... If this is whats served up next season I feel the club will truly struggle to draw anyone in. I simply don't think there will be no significant investment to stop another rinse repeat. 

The Red Robin

Any well-run club should have a succession plan in place. I’d hope Carter, Rodwell etc. at least have a shortlist they’d target when the time comes.

The best sports organisations aren’t afraid to make those decisions early.  

Scoham

The Red Robin said:

Scoham said:

Garrymanilow said:

Croydon said:

I don't buy into this "if we played any different we'd be worse" narrative.

I don't know, there's been a few things recently where I think as much as his game management isn't great at the moment some of Jones' judgments on the squad have been borne out. No-one wanted Dykes or Coady, especially not as a midfielder, but those have worked out well. People were calling for Mannion to come back in over Kaminksi, who he was apparently much better than, and now I think we've seen the reality of that. I think someone said it was 'scandalous' that we hadn't used Fullah more, but then he got more minutes against Preston and kept giving the ball away in dangerous areas which led to their goal. I think Jones sees the risks in certain ways of playing and takes the cautious route. Given that these players just refuse to score more than one goal I think the increasing stodge is a reaction to that. I don't think we'd like the version of this team that can't score goals AND is very open

I think we’ve also lost the surprise factor when we first came up, and teams have found ways around our high press, including games like Southampton at home which completely ripped it apart. We don’t look like Jones wants to risk playing that way again.

If we stay up I hope we’ll become a higher pressing team again. With the right signings we could develop into a mid table side and progress from there. Make the wrong signings and it’ll be more of the style we’ve seen recently, and that won’t ever achieve anything more than being in relegation battles.

It’s not a high press. There was absolutely zero attempts to press higher and win the ball back quickly when we lost it in the final third.

That’s why I said Jones doesn’t look like he wants to risk playing that way again. 

Scoham

Braziliance said:

I just don't see how anyone can watch what was on offer today, and convince themselves it can be any different next season. 

Some of the worst football this season, truly a difficult watch. 

It was awful, but we also know it’s Jones trying to grind out the last few points by attempting to keep clean sheets, knowing we struggle to score more the one goal a game.

I know we can play better and more attacking football under Jones because we’ve seen it this season and last season.

That’s not to say it’ll ever be possession based or exciting and attacking, but then our best managers in recent history also prioritised strong defending and hard work over attractive passing football.

With the right signings we’ll improve and play better but still direct and organised football. He deserves that chance assuming he keeps us up.

Alwaysneil

paulsturgess said:

Alwaysneil said:

I had to check but that side is a fair bit better than what we have now:

phillips

djiksteel bielik bauer sarr purrington

Pratley cullen aribo

taylor Parker

subs maxwell, pearce, solly, JFC, reeves, williams, lapslie

Sarr came off for Pearce moving to a diamind midfield. Williams came on cor Pratley on 70 mins.

Godden for Parker is an easy call but even Jones for Bauer is not a slam dunk, nor Bell for Sarr. Edwards for Purrington would get a lot of fan votes. Elsewhere though difficult to see any of our current players making the starting 11, good case for Mannion or Kaminski on the bench, ditto TC, Ramsay and probably no one else, unless Jones disnt make the first team and maybe sichenje.

None of our midfield makes the bench. 

What is the point of this comparison?

The point was made in the post before. Bowyer had better resources at his disposal, if Jones manages to stay up with worse he's done well but we still need to strengthen or we will be deep in shit next year. 

Braziliance

Crispywood said:

Braziliance said:

I just don't see how anyone can watch what was on offer today, and convince themselves it can be any different next season. 

Some of the worst football this season, truly a difficult watch. 

Because I’m hoping next season we won’t be running out with Coady Docherty and an out of form Carey as a midfield 3 with 2 wingbacks who have been instructed to not cross the halfway line 

Scoham said:

Braziliance said:

I just don't see how anyone can watch what was on offer today, and convince themselves it can be any different next season. 

Some of the worst football this season, truly a difficult watch. 

It was awful, but we also know it’s Jones trying to grind out the last few points by attempting to keep clean sheets, knowing we struggle to score more the one goal a game.

I know we can play better and more attacking football under Jones because we’ve seen it this season and last season.

That’s not to say it’ll ever be possession based or exciting and attacking, but then our best managers in recent history also prioritised strong defending and hard work over attractive passing football.

With the right signings we’ll improve and play better but still direct and organised football. He deserves that chance assuming he keeps us up.

Here is the issue though gents. 

I can fully understand this playstyle when we go away to the likes of Boro, Coventry, Ipswich etc. These are clubs who are years ahead of us with their wages, squad depth, and experienced Championship players. 

My issue is yesterday was a club who are effed. They are one of the worst Championship sides ever. They have a complete patch work squad, some of their players have even been unpaid at some point, under their manager, they have 1 win, 14 draws and 32 losses.

Can we really blame the players for yesterday's performance? Like don't get me wrong, I've made myself clear about our squad, I would only have about 2 starting next season, but yesterday felt a step too far for me. Absolutely played off the park by Wednesday. 

I honestly reckon you could give Nathan Jones Hayden Hackney, Rudoni, Makama, Irakunda and any other top quality Championship player I have seen, and we would still play like this. 

He is anti-football. Yes I want Charlton to get results, but I do want to go to football and at least watch some decent football played at times. 

PeaksAndValleys

The Red Robin said:

Any well-run club should have a succession plan in place. I’d hope Carter, Rodwell etc. at least have a shortlist they’d target when the time comes.

The best sports organisations aren’t afraid to make those decisions early.  

Think it's more a hallmark of some of the worst run organisations, including us in recent years

sam3110

I thought Nugent was in charge for 3 games and we won 2 of them?

DamoNorthStand

The Red Robin said:

Any well-run club should have a succession plan in place. I’d hope Carter, Rodwell etc. at least have a shortlist they’d target when the time comes.

The best sports organisations aren’t afraid to make those decisions early.  

I would suggest we need to get the leadership structure sorted pronto - how long have we been looking for a CEO again?

We lack knowledge and experience in sports leadership. Thats not a dig it’s just a fact.

You don’t really want to be going through fundamental processes like changing a manager without it.