I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................

iaitch

I've heard he's off to York if they get promoted this weekend, museum right on his doorstep then.

boggzy

arny23394 said:

He’s done very well to keep us up with a pretty crap squad (had some little div on twitter arguing this is a mid table squad) and deserves next season. 

If we are still hoovering around the bottom of the league & playing this ghastly brand of football same time next year, I’d hope we go into the 27/28 season with a new manager.

Jesus! We're not safe yet. Can easily see it going down to the last day, and we all know what happened last time...

Rothko

I forgot that footballing PTSD is a thing

Braziliance

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

fenaddick said:

Braziliance said:

thenewbie said:

Chizz said:

wmcf123 said:

Off_it said:

gringo said:

Chizz said:

Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long. 

I've ranked them in order of their win percentages. 

Kevin Nugent — 50.0%

Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%

Lee Bowyer — 45.5%

Nathan Jones — 43.0%

Chris Powell — 42.4%

Dean Holden — 39.2%

Alan Curbishley — 38.2%

Karl Robinson — 36.5%

Alan Pardew — 35.9%

Phil Parkinson — 34.3%

Guy Luzon — 32.4%

Nigel Adkins — 31.4%

Karel Fraeye — 28.6%

José Riga — 25.0%

Bob Peeters — 25.0%

Iain Dowie — 23.1%

Les Reed — 16.7%

Keith Peacock — 0.0%

Curtis Fleming — 0.0% 

To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons. 

Wheres Appleton?

He's off taking "acting" lessons.

Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.

Just because he’s better than any of those muppets , doesn’t mean he’s the right man beyond this season .  

No. But it does rather draw questions as to who might be better placed to deliver a better record, thereby becoming one of Charlton's greatest ever managers. 

Sometimes, it's better to stick with someone who has done an outstanding job in comparison to dozens before him, than rely on nothing more than dumb hope alone that we could stumble across someone better. 

And, when I say sometimes, I mean always. 

For me what it comes down to is who is this mystery manager who will come in and suddenly turn our current bunch of limited players into prime passing talent? I'm not saying the results are great (they're very much not.) I certainly am not saying I like what we do in terms of style.
But until someone can come up with a viable candidate for someone who can get better results and better football on the same budget Jones works with then frankly we're better off (in purely pragmatic terms) with the devil we know.... sadly.

Don't understand this. Imagine if Southampton, Sheffield United or Norwich had this mindset, it might have been one of them getting relegated this season. 

It's not our job as fans to identify a manager or players, as we aren't qualified to do so, and no one at the club would listen anyway.

It is our duty however to voice our concerns and let the club know we are displeased vocally or with our feet if the football or results etc are poor. 

There are people who are paid a fortune at the club to make these decisions, and at any professional club. 

Big changes in the summer. Jones knows it himself as he's already been on the chopping board twice. We have literally been one loss away twice from having a new manager and people talk like it's absurd to want him out. 

No matter what, the club need to spend a lot this summer. If Jones relies on even 30% of this squad again, we will go down, not a doubt in my mind. That's if we manage to stay up. 

But those clubs did come up with an alternative. 

Of course it isn't our job but it isn't our job to decide we want the manager sacked, who we want to be in the XI, who we'd like to sign etc. but we still discuss is. I think it's interesting that as fans we're happy to discuss all of the above but until a manager is sacked people are reticent to talk about who should be next. Why is it any different?

I think we should. 

I will happily admit, I don't want to watch this football anymore. If I am viewed as negative, moany, etc then so be it.

I want Charlton to stay up of course, and I said I would be happy to spend the next 20 years in this league after the last shit show of a decade, but, we simply won't do it with this style of play and players. 

Big changes needed. Starts with the squad, but if we sign some proper Championship players, and we are still playing in this fashion, we need fresh ideas on the touchline and back room as well. 

Unfortunately, I don't see how it changes. I honestly think you could give Jones, Jack Rudoni, Hayden Hackney, Imrân Louza and we would still look negative and prioritise not losing if they only listened to his instructions and played without freedom.

I'm at a point where I believe he knows one way and one way only. Sheffield Wednesday was enough for me, if we can't outplay them then it's bleak. 

Not saying I want him gone, if he turns it around next season and we can start playing some football then goody gum drops, I just don't see it. 

Why are so many people of the belief that Jones can’t play any other way? Even last season with us we played good stuff from Late-December to May, we were the second highest scorers in the league and second best team in the league 

He’s shown it at Luton before too. So why is it that people think he’s incapable of producing a team that plays better football, he literally did it last season ffs! When he’s got good players for the level and a bit of time he’s shown before that he can do it so why do so many doubt it now? 

I've always had the opinion that I don't rate Jones football but if the results are good I don't care, results are drying up, the football is just as bad, so naturally people will be annoyed. 

I can honestly say I only enjoyed a few performances last season. Wycombe away, Northampton away, Huddersfield at home, Birmingham at home, maybe a few others. I unfortunately missed Orient away. 

Then of course I enjoyed results like Wycombe at home, Wembley, Bolton away. But the football was mostly poor and relying on TC or Small to make something happen. Was extremely rare we were putting on a clinic.

It's the same as this season. Enjoyed Brum away second half, Blackburn second half at home, Ipswich second half away, then after that it's real slim pickings, I'd say at around 25 or more games I've watched us and not wanted to be there. I just enjoy the social aspect, I don't actually go to watch the football anymore. 

He just doesn't play exciting football, not his style. 

NabySarr

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

fenaddick said:

Braziliance said:

thenewbie said:

Chizz said:

wmcf123 said:

Off_it said:

gringo said:

Chizz said:

Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long. 

I've ranked them in order of their win percentages. 

Kevin Nugent — 50.0%

Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%

Lee Bowyer — 45.5%

Nathan Jones — 43.0%

Chris Powell — 42.4%

Dean Holden — 39.2%

Alan Curbishley — 38.2%

Karl Robinson — 36.5%

Alan Pardew — 35.9%

Phil Parkinson — 34.3%

Guy Luzon — 32.4%

Nigel Adkins — 31.4%

Karel Fraeye — 28.6%

José Riga — 25.0%

Bob Peeters — 25.0%

Iain Dowie — 23.1%

Les Reed — 16.7%

Keith Peacock — 0.0%

Curtis Fleming — 0.0% 

To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons. 

Wheres Appleton?

He's off taking "acting" lessons.

Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.

Just because he’s better than any of those muppets , doesn’t mean he’s the right man beyond this season .  

No. But it does rather draw questions as to who might be better placed to deliver a better record, thereby becoming one of Charlton's greatest ever managers. 

Sometimes, it's better to stick with someone who has done an outstanding job in comparison to dozens before him, than rely on nothing more than dumb hope alone that we could stumble across someone better. 

And, when I say sometimes, I mean always. 

For me what it comes down to is who is this mystery manager who will come in and suddenly turn our current bunch of limited players into prime passing talent? I'm not saying the results are great (they're very much not.) I certainly am not saying I like what we do in terms of style.
But until someone can come up with a viable candidate for someone who can get better results and better football on the same budget Jones works with then frankly we're better off (in purely pragmatic terms) with the devil we know.... sadly.

Don't understand this. Imagine if Southampton, Sheffield United or Norwich had this mindset, it might have been one of them getting relegated this season. 

It's not our job as fans to identify a manager or players, as we aren't qualified to do so, and no one at the club would listen anyway.

It is our duty however to voice our concerns and let the club know we are displeased vocally or with our feet if the football or results etc are poor. 

There are people who are paid a fortune at the club to make these decisions, and at any professional club. 

Big changes in the summer. Jones knows it himself as he's already been on the chopping board twice. We have literally been one loss away twice from having a new manager and people talk like it's absurd to want him out. 

No matter what, the club need to spend a lot this summer. If Jones relies on even 30% of this squad again, we will go down, not a doubt in my mind. That's if we manage to stay up. 

But those clubs did come up with an alternative. 

Of course it isn't our job but it isn't our job to decide we want the manager sacked, who we want to be in the XI, who we'd like to sign etc. but we still discuss is. I think it's interesting that as fans we're happy to discuss all of the above but until a manager is sacked people are reticent to talk about who should be next. Why is it any different?

I think we should. 

I will happily admit, I don't want to watch this football anymore. If I am viewed as negative, moany, etc then so be it.

I want Charlton to stay up of course, and I said I would be happy to spend the next 20 years in this league after the last shit show of a decade, but, we simply won't do it with this style of play and players. 

Big changes needed. Starts with the squad, but if we sign some proper Championship players, and we are still playing in this fashion, we need fresh ideas on the touchline and back room as well. 

Unfortunately, I don't see how it changes. I honestly think you could give Jones, Jack Rudoni, Hayden Hackney, Imrân Louza and we would still look negative and prioritise not losing if they only listened to his instructions and played without freedom.

I'm at a point where I believe he knows one way and one way only. Sheffield Wednesday was enough for me, if we can't outplay them then it's bleak. 

Not saying I want him gone, if he turns it around next season and we can start playing some football then goody gum drops, I just don't see it. 

Why are so many people of the belief that Jones can’t play any other way? Even last season with us we played good stuff from Late-December to May, we were the second highest scorers in the league and second best team in the league 

He’s shown it at Luton before too. So why is it that people think he’s incapable of producing a team that plays better football, he literally did it last season ffs! When he’s got good players for the level and a bit of time he’s shown before that he can do it so why do so many doubt it now? 

I've always had the opinion that I don't rate Jones football but if the results are good I don't care, results are drying up, the football is just as bad, so naturally people will be annoyed. 

I can honestly say I only enjoyed a few performances last season. Wycombe away, Northampton away, Huddersfield at home, Birmingham at home, maybe a few others. I unfortunately missed Orient away. 

Then of course I enjoyed results like Wycombe at home, Wembley, Bolton away. But the football was mostly poor and relying on TC or Small to make something happen. Was extremely rare we were putting on a clinic.

It's the same as this season. Enjoyed Brum away second half, Blackburn second half at home, Ipswich second half away, then after that it's real slim pickings, I'd say at around 25 or more games I've watched us and not wanted to be there. I just enjoy the social aspect, I don't actually go to watch the football anymore. 

He just doesn't play exciting football, not his style. 

That makes me question if you’ve ever enjoyed watching Charlton? We have mostly been shit and the back end of last season should be one of the more exciting periods we’ve had 

And what do you constitute as “exciting football”? The second half of last season we scored goals, won games, plenty of late winners, and got promoted. It literally doesn’t get any more exciting than that surely? 

Croydon

arny23394 said:

He’s done very well to keep us up with a pretty crap squad (had some little div on twitter arguing this is a mid table squad) and deserves next season. 

If we are still hoovering around the bottom of the league & playing this ghastly brand of football same time next year, I’d hope we go into the 27/28 season with a new manager.

He won't make it to Christmas if we're back round the bottom and playing the same way next season imo.

Braziliance

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

fenaddick said:

Braziliance said:

thenewbie said:

Chizz said:

wmcf123 said:

Off_it said:

gringo said:

Chizz said:

Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long. 

I've ranked them in order of their win percentages. 

Kevin Nugent — 50.0%

Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%

Lee Bowyer — 45.5%

Nathan Jones — 43.0%

Chris Powell — 42.4%

Dean Holden — 39.2%

Alan Curbishley — 38.2%

Karl Robinson — 36.5%

Alan Pardew — 35.9%

Phil Parkinson — 34.3%

Guy Luzon — 32.4%

Nigel Adkins — 31.4%

Karel Fraeye — 28.6%

José Riga — 25.0%

Bob Peeters — 25.0%

Iain Dowie — 23.1%

Les Reed — 16.7%

Keith Peacock — 0.0%

Curtis Fleming — 0.0% 

To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons. 

Wheres Appleton?

He's off taking "acting" lessons.

Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.

Just because he’s better than any of those muppets , doesn’t mean he’s the right man beyond this season .  

No. But it does rather draw questions as to who might be better placed to deliver a better record, thereby becoming one of Charlton's greatest ever managers. 

Sometimes, it's better to stick with someone who has done an outstanding job in comparison to dozens before him, than rely on nothing more than dumb hope alone that we could stumble across someone better. 

And, when I say sometimes, I mean always. 

For me what it comes down to is who is this mystery manager who will come in and suddenly turn our current bunch of limited players into prime passing talent? I'm not saying the results are great (they're very much not.) I certainly am not saying I like what we do in terms of style.
But until someone can come up with a viable candidate for someone who can get better results and better football on the same budget Jones works with then frankly we're better off (in purely pragmatic terms) with the devil we know.... sadly.

Don't understand this. Imagine if Southampton, Sheffield United or Norwich had this mindset, it might have been one of them getting relegated this season. 

It's not our job as fans to identify a manager or players, as we aren't qualified to do so, and no one at the club would listen anyway.

It is our duty however to voice our concerns and let the club know we are displeased vocally or with our feet if the football or results etc are poor. 

There are people who are paid a fortune at the club to make these decisions, and at any professional club. 

Big changes in the summer. Jones knows it himself as he's already been on the chopping board twice. We have literally been one loss away twice from having a new manager and people talk like it's absurd to want him out. 

No matter what, the club need to spend a lot this summer. If Jones relies on even 30% of this squad again, we will go down, not a doubt in my mind. That's if we manage to stay up. 

But those clubs did come up with an alternative. 

Of course it isn't our job but it isn't our job to decide we want the manager sacked, who we want to be in the XI, who we'd like to sign etc. but we still discuss is. I think it's interesting that as fans we're happy to discuss all of the above but until a manager is sacked people are reticent to talk about who should be next. Why is it any different?

I think we should. 

I will happily admit, I don't want to watch this football anymore. If I am viewed as negative, moany, etc then so be it.

I want Charlton to stay up of course, and I said I would be happy to spend the next 20 years in this league after the last shit show of a decade, but, we simply won't do it with this style of play and players. 

Big changes needed. Starts with the squad, but if we sign some proper Championship players, and we are still playing in this fashion, we need fresh ideas on the touchline and back room as well. 

Unfortunately, I don't see how it changes. I honestly think you could give Jones, Jack Rudoni, Hayden Hackney, Imrân Louza and we would still look negative and prioritise not losing if they only listened to his instructions and played without freedom.

I'm at a point where I believe he knows one way and one way only. Sheffield Wednesday was enough for me, if we can't outplay them then it's bleak. 

Not saying I want him gone, if he turns it around next season and we can start playing some football then goody gum drops, I just don't see it. 

Why are so many people of the belief that Jones can’t play any other way? Even last season with us we played good stuff from Late-December to May, we were the second highest scorers in the league and second best team in the league 

He’s shown it at Luton before too. So why is it that people think he’s incapable of producing a team that plays better football, he literally did it last season ffs! When he’s got good players for the level and a bit of time he’s shown before that he can do it so why do so many doubt it now? 

I've always had the opinion that I don't rate Jones football but if the results are good I don't care, results are drying up, the football is just as bad, so naturally people will be annoyed. 

I can honestly say I only enjoyed a few performances last season. Wycombe away, Northampton away, Huddersfield at home, Birmingham at home, maybe a few others. I unfortunately missed Orient away. 

Then of course I enjoyed results like Wycombe at home, Wembley, Bolton away. But the football was mostly poor and relying on TC or Small to make something happen. Was extremely rare we were putting on a clinic.

It's the same as this season. Enjoyed Brum away second half, Blackburn second half at home, Ipswich second half away, then after that it's real slim pickings, I'd say at around 25 or more games I've watched us and not wanted to be there. I just enjoy the social aspect, I don't actually go to watch the football anymore. 

He just doesn't play exciting football, not his style. 

That makes me question if you’ve ever enjoyed watching Charlton? We have mostly been shit and the back end of last season should be one of the more exciting periods we’ve had 

And what do you constitute as “exciting football”? The second half of last season we scored goals, won games, plenty of late winners, and got promoted. It literally doesn’t get any more exciting than that surely? 

Honestly not really over the last 20 years. I've enjoyed moments and the odd few games each season, but I could name way more shit players than good players who have pulled on the shirt the last 20 years as most of us could.

As I've said before. If you took me to the Valley now as a kid I probably wouldn't have become a Charlton fan unless it was through family, sort of like how I convinced my little cousins.

My first game I went we beat Arsenal and I was watching players like Jensen and Bent over the years. Kids recently have had to endure Crofts & Ahadme. Got a lot of time for our younger supporters, better fans than I'll ever be as I'd have found something better to do on a weekend years ago after watching us get played off the park by the likes of Fleetwood, Morecambe & Cheltenham. 

It's just part of my life now, it is what it is.

I constitute exciting football as a team who take plenty of shots, try and beat a man, put themselves through someone. Not playing 5 at the back, sideways and back passing all to end up pumping it long anyway. 

elbiglad

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

fenaddick said:

Braziliance said:

thenewbie said:

Chizz said:

wmcf123 said:

Off_it said:

gringo said:

Chizz said:

Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long. 

I've ranked them in order of their win percentages. 

Kevin Nugent — 50.0%

Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%

Lee Bowyer — 45.5%

Nathan Jones — 43.0%

Chris Powell — 42.4%

Dean Holden — 39.2%

Alan Curbishley — 38.2%

Karl Robinson — 36.5%

Alan Pardew — 35.9%

Phil Parkinson — 34.3%

Guy Luzon — 32.4%

Nigel Adkins — 31.4%

Karel Fraeye — 28.6%

José Riga — 25.0%

Bob Peeters — 25.0%

Iain Dowie — 23.1%

Les Reed — 16.7%

Keith Peacock — 0.0%

Curtis Fleming — 0.0% 

To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons. 

Wheres Appleton?

He's off taking "acting" lessons.

Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.

Just because he’s better than any of those muppets , doesn’t mean he’s the right man beyond this season .  

No. But it does rather draw questions as to who might be better placed to deliver a better record, thereby becoming one of Charlton's greatest ever managers. 

Sometimes, it's better to stick with someone who has done an outstanding job in comparison to dozens before him, than rely on nothing more than dumb hope alone that we could stumble across someone better. 

And, when I say sometimes, I mean always. 

For me what it comes down to is who is this mystery manager who will come in and suddenly turn our current bunch of limited players into prime passing talent? I'm not saying the results are great (they're very much not.) I certainly am not saying I like what we do in terms of style.
But until someone can come up with a viable candidate for someone who can get better results and better football on the same budget Jones works with then frankly we're better off (in purely pragmatic terms) with the devil we know.... sadly.

Don't understand this. Imagine if Southampton, Sheffield United or Norwich had this mindset, it might have been one of them getting relegated this season. 

It's not our job as fans to identify a manager or players, as we aren't qualified to do so, and no one at the club would listen anyway.

It is our duty however to voice our concerns and let the club know we are displeased vocally or with our feet if the football or results etc are poor. 

There are people who are paid a fortune at the club to make these decisions, and at any professional club. 

Big changes in the summer. Jones knows it himself as he's already been on the chopping board twice. We have literally been one loss away twice from having a new manager and people talk like it's absurd to want him out. 

No matter what, the club need to spend a lot this summer. If Jones relies on even 30% of this squad again, we will go down, not a doubt in my mind. That's if we manage to stay up. 

But those clubs did come up with an alternative. 

Of course it isn't our job but it isn't our job to decide we want the manager sacked, who we want to be in the XI, who we'd like to sign etc. but we still discuss is. I think it's interesting that as fans we're happy to discuss all of the above but until a manager is sacked people are reticent to talk about who should be next. Why is it any different?

I think we should. 

I will happily admit, I don't want to watch this football anymore. If I am viewed as negative, moany, etc then so be it.

I want Charlton to stay up of course, and I said I would be happy to spend the next 20 years in this league after the last shit show of a decade, but, we simply won't do it with this style of play and players. 

Big changes needed. Starts with the squad, but if we sign some proper Championship players, and we are still playing in this fashion, we need fresh ideas on the touchline and back room as well. 

Unfortunately, I don't see how it changes. I honestly think you could give Jones, Jack Rudoni, Hayden Hackney, Imrân Louza and we would still look negative and prioritise not losing if they only listened to his instructions and played without freedom.

I'm at a point where I believe he knows one way and one way only. Sheffield Wednesday was enough for me, if we can't outplay them then it's bleak. 

Not saying I want him gone, if he turns it around next season and we can start playing some football then goody gum drops, I just don't see it. 

Why are so many people of the belief that Jones can’t play any other way? Even last season with us we played good stuff from Late-December to May, we were the second highest scorers in the league and second best team in the league 

He’s shown it at Luton before too. So why is it that people think he’s incapable of producing a team that plays better football, he literally did it last season ffs! When he’s got good players for the level and a bit of time he’s shown before that he can do it so why do so many doubt it now? 

I've always had the opinion that I don't rate Jones football but if the results are good I don't care, results are drying up, the football is just as bad, so naturally people will be annoyed. 

I can honestly say I only enjoyed a few performances last season. Wycombe away, Northampton away, Huddersfield at home, Birmingham at home, maybe a few others. I unfortunately missed Orient away. 

Then of course I enjoyed results like Wycombe at home, Wembley, Bolton away. But the football was mostly poor and relying on TC or Small to make something happen. Was extremely rare we were putting on a clinic.

It's the same as this season. Enjoyed Brum away second half, Blackburn second half at home, Ipswich second half away, then after that it's real slim pickings. 

He just doesn't play exciting football, not his style. 

I don't know what your ideal yet realistic situation is then? I'm reading 'exciting football' to mean possession based, but please correct me if I'm wrong. We're not in a position to attempt to play that type of football with this squad. For us to play that way next year it would require investment in the summer that will likely result in a points deduction in a few years time.

If by 'exciting' you mean a team that takes more risks within our current style, then I agree with you but I think that is mostly a result of our current situation. This is our first year at the level and most have expressed surprise at how big the gap between the leagues is. We are in a relegation scrap and it isn't the time to go away from our identity. We have the 6 point gap and don't need to play for wins as others do.

I personally enjoyed how we played throughout most of 2025 and I am a bit surprised that you didn't, but to each their own of course. I like possession based football, but I'm just as happy to watch a team that is: defensively solid, willing to mix it up and be direct at times, aggressively pressing teams and, above all else, working hard. These were what I considered to be the core principles of the team last year. 

So if we see a slightly improved squad after the summer, then I see our realistic best case scenario to be a bit more consistency and an improvement on the football we saw during our apex of 2025 that can hopefully be sustained deeper into the season. I'd take that. 

You've said you'd be happy for us to have 20 years in this league. If that's the case you have to accept we're likely to see a lot of middling football. Unless we strike it lucky with some signings, I think we have to realise that progress may be slow. With all of that said, it has been a tough and stressful watch lately.

NabySarr

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

fenaddick said:

Braziliance said:

thenewbie said:

Chizz said:

wmcf123 said:

Off_it said:

gringo said:

Chizz said:

Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long. 

I've ranked them in order of their win percentages. 

Kevin Nugent — 50.0%

Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%

Lee Bowyer — 45.5%

Nathan Jones — 43.0%

Chris Powell — 42.4%

Dean Holden — 39.2%

Alan Curbishley — 38.2%

Karl Robinson — 36.5%

Alan Pardew — 35.9%

Phil Parkinson — 34.3%

Guy Luzon — 32.4%

Nigel Adkins — 31.4%

Karel Fraeye — 28.6%

José Riga — 25.0%

Bob Peeters — 25.0%

Iain Dowie — 23.1%

Les Reed — 16.7%

Keith Peacock — 0.0%

Curtis Fleming — 0.0% 

To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons. 

Wheres Appleton?

He's off taking "acting" lessons.

Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.

Just because he’s better than any of those muppets , doesn’t mean he’s the right man beyond this season .  

No. But it does rather draw questions as to who might be better placed to deliver a better record, thereby becoming one of Charlton's greatest ever managers. 

Sometimes, it's better to stick with someone who has done an outstanding job in comparison to dozens before him, than rely on nothing more than dumb hope alone that we could stumble across someone better. 

And, when I say sometimes, I mean always. 

For me what it comes down to is who is this mystery manager who will come in and suddenly turn our current bunch of limited players into prime passing talent? I'm not saying the results are great (they're very much not.) I certainly am not saying I like what we do in terms of style.
But until someone can come up with a viable candidate for someone who can get better results and better football on the same budget Jones works with then frankly we're better off (in purely pragmatic terms) with the devil we know.... sadly.

Don't understand this. Imagine if Southampton, Sheffield United or Norwich had this mindset, it might have been one of them getting relegated this season. 

It's not our job as fans to identify a manager or players, as we aren't qualified to do so, and no one at the club would listen anyway.

It is our duty however to voice our concerns and let the club know we are displeased vocally or with our feet if the football or results etc are poor. 

There are people who are paid a fortune at the club to make these decisions, and at any professional club. 

Big changes in the summer. Jones knows it himself as he's already been on the chopping board twice. We have literally been one loss away twice from having a new manager and people talk like it's absurd to want him out. 

No matter what, the club need to spend a lot this summer. If Jones relies on even 30% of this squad again, we will go down, not a doubt in my mind. That's if we manage to stay up. 

But those clubs did come up with an alternative. 

Of course it isn't our job but it isn't our job to decide we want the manager sacked, who we want to be in the XI, who we'd like to sign etc. but we still discuss is. I think it's interesting that as fans we're happy to discuss all of the above but until a manager is sacked people are reticent to talk about who should be next. Why is it any different?

I think we should. 

I will happily admit, I don't want to watch this football anymore. If I am viewed as negative, moany, etc then so be it.

I want Charlton to stay up of course, and I said I would be happy to spend the next 20 years in this league after the last shit show of a decade, but, we simply won't do it with this style of play and players. 

Big changes needed. Starts with the squad, but if we sign some proper Championship players, and we are still playing in this fashion, we need fresh ideas on the touchline and back room as well. 

Unfortunately, I don't see how it changes. I honestly think you could give Jones, Jack Rudoni, Hayden Hackney, Imrân Louza and we would still look negative and prioritise not losing if they only listened to his instructions and played without freedom.

I'm at a point where I believe he knows one way and one way only. Sheffield Wednesday was enough for me, if we can't outplay them then it's bleak. 

Not saying I want him gone, if he turns it around next season and we can start playing some football then goody gum drops, I just don't see it. 

Why are so many people of the belief that Jones can’t play any other way? Even last season with us we played good stuff from Late-December to May, we were the second highest scorers in the league and second best team in the league 

He’s shown it at Luton before too. So why is it that people think he’s incapable of producing a team that plays better football, he literally did it last season ffs! When he’s got good players for the level and a bit of time he’s shown before that he can do it so why do so many doubt it now? 

I've always had the opinion that I don't rate Jones football but if the results are good I don't care, results are drying up, the football is just as bad, so naturally people will be annoyed. 

I can honestly say I only enjoyed a few performances last season. Wycombe away, Northampton away, Huddersfield at home, Birmingham at home, maybe a few others. I unfortunately missed Orient away. 

Then of course I enjoyed results like Wycombe at home, Wembley, Bolton away. But the football was mostly poor and relying on TC or Small to make something happen. Was extremely rare we were putting on a clinic.

It's the same as this season. Enjoyed Brum away second half, Blackburn second half at home, Ipswich second half away, then after that it's real slim pickings, I'd say at around 25 or more games I've watched us and not wanted to be there. I just enjoy the social aspect, I don't actually go to watch the football anymore. 

He just doesn't play exciting football, not his style. 

That makes me question if you’ve ever enjoyed watching Charlton? We have mostly been shit and the back end of last season should be one of the more exciting periods we’ve had 

And what do you constitute as “exciting football”? The second half of last season we scored goals, won games, plenty of late winners, and got promoted. It literally doesn’t get any more exciting than that surely? 

Honestly not really over the last 20 years. I've enjoyed moments and the odd few games each season, but I could name way more shit players than good players who have pulled on the shirt the last 20 years as most of us could.

As I've said before. If you took me to the Valley now as a kid I probably wouldn't have become a Charlton fan unless it was through family, sort of like how I convinced my little cousins.

My first game I went we beat Arsenal and I was watching players like Jensen and Bent over the years. Kids recently have had to endure Crofts & Ahadme. Got a lot of time for our younger supporters, better fans than I'll ever be as I'd have found something better to do on a weekend years ago after watching us get played off the park by the likes of Fleetwood, Morecambe & Cheltenham. 

It's just part of my life now, it is what it is.

I constitute exciting football as a team who take plenty of shots, try and beat a man, put themselves through someone. Not playing 5 at the back, sideways and back passing all to end up pumping it long anyway. 

So the second half of last season where we scored the 2nd most goals in the league (so must have had plenty of shots), had Small and TC beating people for fun, won loads of games and got promoted wasn’t exciting enough? Unfortunately if that doesn’t meet your standards then they are never going to be met whoever the manager is 

Braziliance

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

fenaddick said:

Braziliance said:

thenewbie said:

Chizz said:

wmcf123 said:

Off_it said:

gringo said:

Chizz said:

Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long. 

I've ranked them in order of their win percentages. 

Kevin Nugent — 50.0%

Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%

Lee Bowyer — 45.5%

Nathan Jones — 43.0%

Chris Powell — 42.4%

Dean Holden — 39.2%

Alan Curbishley — 38.2%

Karl Robinson — 36.5%

Alan Pardew — 35.9%

Phil Parkinson — 34.3%

Guy Luzon — 32.4%

Nigel Adkins — 31.4%

Karel Fraeye — 28.6%

José Riga — 25.0%

Bob Peeters — 25.0%

Iain Dowie — 23.1%

Les Reed — 16.7%

Keith Peacock — 0.0%

Curtis Fleming — 0.0% 

To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons. 

Wheres Appleton?

He's off taking "acting" lessons.

Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.

Just because he’s better than any of those muppets , doesn’t mean he’s the right man beyond this season .  

No. But it does rather draw questions as to who might be better placed to deliver a better record, thereby becoming one of Charlton's greatest ever managers. 

Sometimes, it's better to stick with someone who has done an outstanding job in comparison to dozens before him, than rely on nothing more than dumb hope alone that we could stumble across someone better. 

And, when I say sometimes, I mean always. 

For me what it comes down to is who is this mystery manager who will come in and suddenly turn our current bunch of limited players into prime passing talent? I'm not saying the results are great (they're very much not.) I certainly am not saying I like what we do in terms of style.
But until someone can come up with a viable candidate for someone who can get better results and better football on the same budget Jones works with then frankly we're better off (in purely pragmatic terms) with the devil we know.... sadly.

Don't understand this. Imagine if Southampton, Sheffield United or Norwich had this mindset, it might have been one of them getting relegated this season. 

It's not our job as fans to identify a manager or players, as we aren't qualified to do so, and no one at the club would listen anyway.

It is our duty however to voice our concerns and let the club know we are displeased vocally or with our feet if the football or results etc are poor. 

There are people who are paid a fortune at the club to make these decisions, and at any professional club. 

Big changes in the summer. Jones knows it himself as he's already been on the chopping board twice. We have literally been one loss away twice from having a new manager and people talk like it's absurd to want him out. 

No matter what, the club need to spend a lot this summer. If Jones relies on even 30% of this squad again, we will go down, not a doubt in my mind. That's if we manage to stay up. 

But those clubs did come up with an alternative. 

Of course it isn't our job but it isn't our job to decide we want the manager sacked, who we want to be in the XI, who we'd like to sign etc. but we still discuss is. I think it's interesting that as fans we're happy to discuss all of the above but until a manager is sacked people are reticent to talk about who should be next. Why is it any different?

I think we should. 

I will happily admit, I don't want to watch this football anymore. If I am viewed as negative, moany, etc then so be it.

I want Charlton to stay up of course, and I said I would be happy to spend the next 20 years in this league after the last shit show of a decade, but, we simply won't do it with this style of play and players. 

Big changes needed. Starts with the squad, but if we sign some proper Championship players, and we are still playing in this fashion, we need fresh ideas on the touchline and back room as well. 

Unfortunately, I don't see how it changes. I honestly think you could give Jones, Jack Rudoni, Hayden Hackney, Imrân Louza and we would still look negative and prioritise not losing if they only listened to his instructions and played without freedom.

I'm at a point where I believe he knows one way and one way only. Sheffield Wednesday was enough for me, if we can't outplay them then it's bleak. 

Not saying I want him gone, if he turns it around next season and we can start playing some football then goody gum drops, I just don't see it. 

Why are so many people of the belief that Jones can’t play any other way? Even last season with us we played good stuff from Late-December to May, we were the second highest scorers in the league and second best team in the league 

He’s shown it at Luton before too. So why is it that people think he’s incapable of producing a team that plays better football, he literally did it last season ffs! When he’s got good players for the level and a bit of time he’s shown before that he can do it so why do so many doubt it now? 

I've always had the opinion that I don't rate Jones football but if the results are good I don't care, results are drying up, the football is just as bad, so naturally people will be annoyed. 

I can honestly say I only enjoyed a few performances last season. Wycombe away, Northampton away, Huddersfield at home, Birmingham at home, maybe a few others. I unfortunately missed Orient away. 

Then of course I enjoyed results like Wycombe at home, Wembley, Bolton away. But the football was mostly poor and relying on TC or Small to make something happen. Was extremely rare we were putting on a clinic.

It's the same as this season. Enjoyed Brum away second half, Blackburn second half at home, Ipswich second half away, then after that it's real slim pickings, I'd say at around 25 or more games I've watched us and not wanted to be there. I just enjoy the social aspect, I don't actually go to watch the football anymore. 

He just doesn't play exciting football, not his style. 

That makes me question if you’ve ever enjoyed watching Charlton? We have mostly been shit and the back end of last season should be one of the more exciting periods we’ve had 

And what do you constitute as “exciting football”? The second half of last season we scored goals, won games, plenty of late winners, and got promoted. It literally doesn’t get any more exciting than that surely? 

Honestly not really over the last 20 years. I've enjoyed moments and the odd few games each season, but I could name way more shit players than good players who have pulled on the shirt the last 20 years as most of us could.

As I've said before. If you took me to the Valley now as a kid I probably wouldn't have become a Charlton fan unless it was through family, sort of like how I convinced my little cousins.

My first game I went we beat Arsenal and I was watching players like Jensen and Bent over the years. Kids recently have had to endure Crofts & Ahadme. Got a lot of time for our younger supporters, better fans than I'll ever be as I'd have found something better to do on a weekend years ago after watching us get played off the park by the likes of Fleetwood, Morecambe & Cheltenham. 

It's just part of my life now, it is what it is.

I constitute exciting football as a team who take plenty of shots, try and beat a man, put themselves through someone. Not playing 5 at the back, sideways and back passing all to end up pumping it long anyway. 

So the second half of last season where we scored the 2nd most goals in the league (so must have had plenty of shots), had Small and TC beating people for fun, won loads of games and got promoted wasn’t exciting enough? Unfortunately if that doesn’t meet your standards then they are never going to be met whoever the manager is 

I just said I enjoyed some of those games in the second half of the season. I enjoyed the moment of promotion, I enjoyed the moments like Goddens winning goal vs Wycombe, the pitch invasion, Maccas free kick at Wembley. I can enjoy these moments but also see a lot of the football is shit. I can enjoy us staying up if it happens but recognise the football is rancid. It isn't as black and white as you are making out. 

To avoid further questioning. I want Charlton to be good at football and produce results. If that comes at the cost of a manager, or any player then so be it. Plain and simple. 

Braziliance

elbiglad said:

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

fenaddick said:

Braziliance said:

thenewbie said:

Chizz said:

wmcf123 said:

Off_it said:

gringo said:

Chizz said:

Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long. 

I've ranked them in order of their win percentages. 

Kevin Nugent — 50.0%

Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%

Lee Bowyer — 45.5%

Nathan Jones — 43.0%

Chris Powell — 42.4%

Dean Holden — 39.2%

Alan Curbishley — 38.2%

Karl Robinson — 36.5%

Alan Pardew — 35.9%

Phil Parkinson — 34.3%

Guy Luzon — 32.4%

Nigel Adkins — 31.4%

Karel Fraeye — 28.6%

José Riga — 25.0%

Bob Peeters — 25.0%

Iain Dowie — 23.1%

Les Reed — 16.7%

Keith Peacock — 0.0%

Curtis Fleming — 0.0% 

To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons. 

Wheres Appleton?

He's off taking "acting" lessons.

Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.

Just because he’s better than any of those muppets , doesn’t mean he’s the right man beyond this season .  

No. But it does rather draw questions as to who might be better placed to deliver a better record, thereby becoming one of Charlton's greatest ever managers. 

Sometimes, it's better to stick with someone who has done an outstanding job in comparison to dozens before him, than rely on nothing more than dumb hope alone that we could stumble across someone better. 

And, when I say sometimes, I mean always. 

For me what it comes down to is who is this mystery manager who will come in and suddenly turn our current bunch of limited players into prime passing talent? I'm not saying the results are great (they're very much not.) I certainly am not saying I like what we do in terms of style.
But until someone can come up with a viable candidate for someone who can get better results and better football on the same budget Jones works with then frankly we're better off (in purely pragmatic terms) with the devil we know.... sadly.

Don't understand this. Imagine if Southampton, Sheffield United or Norwich had this mindset, it might have been one of them getting relegated this season. 

It's not our job as fans to identify a manager or players, as we aren't qualified to do so, and no one at the club would listen anyway.

It is our duty however to voice our concerns and let the club know we are displeased vocally or with our feet if the football or results etc are poor. 

There are people who are paid a fortune at the club to make these decisions, and at any professional club. 

Big changes in the summer. Jones knows it himself as he's already been on the chopping board twice. We have literally been one loss away twice from having a new manager and people talk like it's absurd to want him out. 

No matter what, the club need to spend a lot this summer. If Jones relies on even 30% of this squad again, we will go down, not a doubt in my mind. That's if we manage to stay up. 

But those clubs did come up with an alternative. 

Of course it isn't our job but it isn't our job to decide we want the manager sacked, who we want to be in the XI, who we'd like to sign etc. but we still discuss is. I think it's interesting that as fans we're happy to discuss all of the above but until a manager is sacked people are reticent to talk about who should be next. Why is it any different?

I think we should. 

I will happily admit, I don't want to watch this football anymore. If I am viewed as negative, moany, etc then so be it.

I want Charlton to stay up of course, and I said I would be happy to spend the next 20 years in this league after the last shit show of a decade, but, we simply won't do it with this style of play and players. 

Big changes needed. Starts with the squad, but if we sign some proper Championship players, and we are still playing in this fashion, we need fresh ideas on the touchline and back room as well. 

Unfortunately, I don't see how it changes. I honestly think you could give Jones, Jack Rudoni, Hayden Hackney, Imrân Louza and we would still look negative and prioritise not losing if they only listened to his instructions and played without freedom.

I'm at a point where I believe he knows one way and one way only. Sheffield Wednesday was enough for me, if we can't outplay them then it's bleak. 

Not saying I want him gone, if he turns it around next season and we can start playing some football then goody gum drops, I just don't see it. 

Why are so many people of the belief that Jones can’t play any other way? Even last season with us we played good stuff from Late-December to May, we were the second highest scorers in the league and second best team in the league 

He’s shown it at Luton before too. So why is it that people think he’s incapable of producing a team that plays better football, he literally did it last season ffs! When he’s got good players for the level and a bit of time he’s shown before that he can do it so why do so many doubt it now? 

I've always had the opinion that I don't rate Jones football but if the results are good I don't care, results are drying up, the football is just as bad, so naturally people will be annoyed. 

I can honestly say I only enjoyed a few performances last season. Wycombe away, Northampton away, Huddersfield at home, Birmingham at home, maybe a few others. I unfortunately missed Orient away. 

Then of course I enjoyed results like Wycombe at home, Wembley, Bolton away. But the football was mostly poor and relying on TC or Small to make something happen. Was extremely rare we were putting on a clinic.

It's the same as this season. Enjoyed Brum away second half, Blackburn second half at home, Ipswich second half away, then after that it's real slim pickings. 

He just doesn't play exciting football, not his style. 

I don't know what your ideal yet realistic situation is then? I'm reading 'exciting football' to mean possession based, but please correct me if I'm wrong. We're not in a position to attempt to play that type of football with this squad. For us to play that way next year it would require investment in the summer that will likely result in a points deduction in a few years time.

If by 'exciting' you mean a team that takes more risks within our current style, then I agree with you but I think that is mostly a result of our current situation. This is our first year at the level and most have expressed surprise at how big the gap between the leagues is. We are in a relegation scrap and it isn't the time to go away from our identity. We have the 6 point gap and don't need to play for wins as others do.

I personally enjoyed how we played throughout most of 2025 and I am a bit surprised that you didn't, but to each their own of course. I like possession based football, but I'm just as happy to watch a team that is: defensively solid, willing to mix it up and be direct at times, aggressively pressing teams and, above all else, working hard. These were what I considered to be the core principles of the team last year. 

So if we see a slightly improved squad after the summer, then I see our realistic best case scenario to be a bit more consistency and an improvement on the football we saw during our apex of 2025 that can hopefully be sustained deeper into the season. I'd take that. 

You've said you'd be happy for us to have 20 years in this league. If that's the case you have to accept we're likely to see a lot of middling football. Unless we strike it lucky with some signings, I think we have to realise that progress may be slow. With all of that said, it has been a tough and stressful watch lately.

I want to watch players in the Championship like Lookman, Yann, JBG, Buyens, JRS, Cullen and any other decent player we have had in recent years over a lot of the shit we have had to watch. 

Regarding the bold part, this is kind of my point. We won't stay in this league even 3 years unless there is a massive shift.

You can enjoy today and worry about tomorrow. Unless we up the ante or change the staff, we can expect another season of playing scared and not to lose. Will only take you so far. 

Nicholas

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

fenaddick said:

Braziliance said:

thenewbie said:

Chizz said:

wmcf123 said:

Off_it said:

gringo said:

Chizz said:

Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long. 

I've ranked them in order of their win percentages. 

Kevin Nugent — 50.0%

Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%

Lee Bowyer — 45.5%

Nathan Jones — 43.0%

Chris Powell — 42.4%

Dean Holden — 39.2%

Alan Curbishley — 38.2%

Karl Robinson — 36.5%

Alan Pardew — 35.9%

Phil Parkinson — 34.3%

Guy Luzon — 32.4%

Nigel Adkins — 31.4%

Karel Fraeye — 28.6%

José Riga — 25.0%

Bob Peeters — 25.0%

Iain Dowie — 23.1%

Les Reed — 16.7%

Keith Peacock — 0.0%

Curtis Fleming — 0.0% 

To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons. 

Wheres Appleton?

He's off taking "acting" lessons.

Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.

Just because he’s better than any of those muppets , doesn’t mean he’s the right man beyond this season .  

No. But it does rather draw questions as to who might be better placed to deliver a better record, thereby becoming one of Charlton's greatest ever managers. 

Sometimes, it's better to stick with someone who has done an outstanding job in comparison to dozens before him, than rely on nothing more than dumb hope alone that we could stumble across someone better. 

And, when I say sometimes, I mean always. 

For me what it comes down to is who is this mystery manager who will come in and suddenly turn our current bunch of limited players into prime passing talent? I'm not saying the results are great (they're very much not.) I certainly am not saying I like what we do in terms of style.
But until someone can come up with a viable candidate for someone who can get better results and better football on the same budget Jones works with then frankly we're better off (in purely pragmatic terms) with the devil we know.... sadly.

Don't understand this. Imagine if Southampton, Sheffield United or Norwich had this mindset, it might have been one of them getting relegated this season. 

It's not our job as fans to identify a manager or players, as we aren't qualified to do so, and no one at the club would listen anyway.

It is our duty however to voice our concerns and let the club know we are displeased vocally or with our feet if the football or results etc are poor. 

There are people who are paid a fortune at the club to make these decisions, and at any professional club. 

Big changes in the summer. Jones knows it himself as he's already been on the chopping board twice. We have literally been one loss away twice from having a new manager and people talk like it's absurd to want him out. 

No matter what, the club need to spend a lot this summer. If Jones relies on even 30% of this squad again, we will go down, not a doubt in my mind. That's if we manage to stay up. 

But those clubs did come up with an alternative. 

Of course it isn't our job but it isn't our job to decide we want the manager sacked, who we want to be in the XI, who we'd like to sign etc. but we still discuss is. I think it's interesting that as fans we're happy to discuss all of the above but until a manager is sacked people are reticent to talk about who should be next. Why is it any different?

I think we should. 

I will happily admit, I don't want to watch this football anymore. If I am viewed as negative, moany, etc then so be it.

I want Charlton to stay up of course, and I said I would be happy to spend the next 20 years in this league after the last shit show of a decade, but, we simply won't do it with this style of play and players. 

Big changes needed. Starts with the squad, but if we sign some proper Championship players, and we are still playing in this fashion, we need fresh ideas on the touchline and back room as well. 

Unfortunately, I don't see how it changes. I honestly think you could give Jones, Jack Rudoni, Hayden Hackney, Imrân Louza and we would still look negative and prioritise not losing if they only listened to his instructions and played without freedom.

I'm at a point where I believe he knows one way and one way only. Sheffield Wednesday was enough for me, if we can't outplay them then it's bleak. 

Not saying I want him gone, if he turns it around next season and we can start playing some football then goody gum drops, I just don't see it. 

Why are so many people of the belief that Jones can’t play any other way? Even last season with us we played good stuff from Late-December to May, we were the second highest scorers in the league and second best team in the league 

He’s shown it at Luton before too. So why is it that people think he’s incapable of producing a team that plays better football, he literally did it last season ffs! When he’s got good players for the level and a bit of time he’s shown before that he can do it so why do so many doubt it now? 

I've always had the opinion that I don't rate Jones football but if the results are good I don't care, results are drying up, the football is just as bad, so naturally people will be annoyed. 

I can honestly say I only enjoyed a few performances last season. Wycombe away, Northampton away, Huddersfield at home, Birmingham at home, maybe a few others. I unfortunately missed Orient away. 

Then of course I enjoyed results like Wycombe at home, Wembley, Bolton away. But the football was mostly poor and relying on TC or Small to make something happen. Was extremely rare we were putting on a clinic.

It's the same as this season. Enjoyed Brum away second half, Blackburn second half at home, Ipswich second half away, then after that it's real slim pickings, I'd say at around 25 or more games I've watched us and not wanted to be there. I just enjoy the social aspect, I don't actually go to watch the football anymore. 

He just doesn't play exciting football, not his style. 

That makes me question if you’ve ever enjoyed watching Charlton? We have mostly been shit and the back end of last season should be one of the more exciting periods we’ve had 

And what do you constitute as “exciting football”? The second half of last season we scored goals, won games, plenty of late winners, and got promoted. It literally doesn’t get any more exciting than that surely? 

Honestly not really over the last 20 years. I've enjoyed moments and the odd few games each season, but I could name way more shit players than good players who have pulled on the shirt the last 20 years as most of us could.

As I've said before. If you took me to the Valley now as a kid I probably wouldn't have become a Charlton fan unless it was through family, sort of like how I convinced my little cousins.

My first game I went we beat Arsenal and I was watching players like Jensen and Bent over the years. Kids recently have had to endure Crofts & Ahadme. Got a lot of time for our younger supporters, better fans than I'll ever be as I'd have found something better to do on a weekend years ago after watching us get played off the park by the likes of Fleetwood, Morecambe & Cheltenham. 

It's just part of my life now, it is what it is.

I constitute exciting football as a team who take plenty of shots, try and beat a man, put themselves through someone. Not playing 5 at the back, sideways and back passing all to end up pumping it long anyway. 

So the second half of last season where we scored the 2nd most goals in the league (so must have had plenty of shots), had Small and TC beating people for fun, won loads of games and got promoted wasn’t exciting enough? Unfortunately if that doesn’t meet your standards then they are never going to be met whoever the manager is 

This not a dig at you or your support I promise, but do you go to games or same question to any of the other people on here who constantly tell us how were wrong? When you week in week home and away like Me, Brazilliance and others on here, spend an absolute fortune to watch nothing happen in a game it's demorolising. I can only talk for myself and a few others I know, but we just want to see our team attack once in a while. 
Most teams have a least a 10 minute spell of attacking intent once or twice a game where they really go on the front foot but not us, we literally just do nothing and hope a bit of luck comes our way be it through a free kick, corner or a long ball. It's not football. The only time we ever attack with intent is when is the last few minutes and Jones puts on 8 strikers and causes chaos but that's not good enough.

For 2 years now been crying for the bloke to get some proper wingers in the squad so his 5-3-2 can be changed to 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 should the game need it, but we cant because he wont sign wingers!!  He is so stubborn with his formation it's like if he changes it will be some sort of shame to him it's pathetic. Surely you change your team tactics occasionlly depending on what the oppo play.  The bloke forever bangs on about being front footed but never signed any players who can actually be front footed, we are literally the complete oppisite of front footed.

He signed a shit ton of defenders and a shit ton of strikers but no midfield that's how much he cares about playing football. Like I've said before not expecting us to play from the back, but mix it up that a bit. Not saying dont play 5-3-2 against the better teams in the league or even a lot of the teams. But against crap like Sheff W or some of the other bang averege crap teams who seasons were over a long time ago is just pathetic.

Last season the football wasn't great even when we went on that run to promtion, it was better yes but it only got better because he was about to be sacked so finally grew some bollocks and started playing more attacking with WINGERS and our squad was good enough to beat most of the crap teams in that league. As we got closer to playoffs Nathan the boring games kicked in again with the odd one being decent. All 3 playoffs were absolutey dire even though we were a much better team then Wycome and Orient. Of course no one cares including myself because we got promoted for it.   Nathan Jones's boring tactics does work and of course there is nothing wrong with grinding out results like that from time to time, but there needs to be a fine line of that football and some football for the fans to enjoy otherwise the ground will get emptier and emptier. Just look at night games its like league 1 days again. 

Crispywood

Braziliance said:

elbiglad said:

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

fenaddick said:

Braziliance said:

thenewbie said:

Chizz said:

wmcf123 said:

Off_it said:

gringo said:

Chizz said:

Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long. 

I've ranked them in order of their win percentages. 

Kevin Nugent — 50.0%

Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%

Lee Bowyer — 45.5%

Nathan Jones — 43.0%

Chris Powell — 42.4%

Dean Holden — 39.2%

Alan Curbishley — 38.2%

Karl Robinson — 36.5%

Alan Pardew — 35.9%

Phil Parkinson — 34.3%

Guy Luzon — 32.4%

Nigel Adkins — 31.4%

Karel Fraeye — 28.6%

José Riga — 25.0%

Bob Peeters — 25.0%

Iain Dowie — 23.1%

Les Reed — 16.7%

Keith Peacock — 0.0%

Curtis Fleming — 0.0% 

To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons. 

Wheres Appleton?

He's off taking "acting" lessons.

Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.

Just because he’s better than any of those muppets , doesn’t mean he’s the right man beyond this season .  

No. But it does rather draw questions as to who might be better placed to deliver a better record, thereby becoming one of Charlton's greatest ever managers. 

Sometimes, it's better to stick with someone who has done an outstanding job in comparison to dozens before him, than rely on nothing more than dumb hope alone that we could stumble across someone better. 

And, when I say sometimes, I mean always. 

For me what it comes down to is who is this mystery manager who will come in and suddenly turn our current bunch of limited players into prime passing talent? I'm not saying the results are great (they're very much not.) I certainly am not saying I like what we do in terms of style.
But until someone can come up with a viable candidate for someone who can get better results and better football on the same budget Jones works with then frankly we're better off (in purely pragmatic terms) with the devil we know.... sadly.

Don't understand this. Imagine if Southampton, Sheffield United or Norwich had this mindset, it might have been one of them getting relegated this season. 

It's not our job as fans to identify a manager or players, as we aren't qualified to do so, and no one at the club would listen anyway.

It is our duty however to voice our concerns and let the club know we are displeased vocally or with our feet if the football or results etc are poor. 

There are people who are paid a fortune at the club to make these decisions, and at any professional club. 

Big changes in the summer. Jones knows it himself as he's already been on the chopping board twice. We have literally been one loss away twice from having a new manager and people talk like it's absurd to want him out. 

No matter what, the club need to spend a lot this summer. If Jones relies on even 30% of this squad again, we will go down, not a doubt in my mind. That's if we manage to stay up. 

But those clubs did come up with an alternative. 

Of course it isn't our job but it isn't our job to decide we want the manager sacked, who we want to be in the XI, who we'd like to sign etc. but we still discuss is. I think it's interesting that as fans we're happy to discuss all of the above but until a manager is sacked people are reticent to talk about who should be next. Why is it any different?

I think we should. 

I will happily admit, I don't want to watch this football anymore. If I am viewed as negative, moany, etc then so be it.

I want Charlton to stay up of course, and I said I would be happy to spend the next 20 years in this league after the last shit show of a decade, but, we simply won't do it with this style of play and players. 

Big changes needed. Starts with the squad, but if we sign some proper Championship players, and we are still playing in this fashion, we need fresh ideas on the touchline and back room as well. 

Unfortunately, I don't see how it changes. I honestly think you could give Jones, Jack Rudoni, Hayden Hackney, Imrân Louza and we would still look negative and prioritise not losing if they only listened to his instructions and played without freedom.

I'm at a point where I believe he knows one way and one way only. Sheffield Wednesday was enough for me, if we can't outplay them then it's bleak. 

Not saying I want him gone, if he turns it around next season and we can start playing some football then goody gum drops, I just don't see it. 

Why are so many people of the belief that Jones can’t play any other way? Even last season with us we played good stuff from Late-December to May, we were the second highest scorers in the league and second best team in the league 

He’s shown it at Luton before too. So why is it that people think he’s incapable of producing a team that plays better football, he literally did it last season ffs! When he’s got good players for the level and a bit of time he’s shown before that he can do it so why do so many doubt it now? 

I've always had the opinion that I don't rate Jones football but if the results are good I don't care, results are drying up, the football is just as bad, so naturally people will be annoyed. 

I can honestly say I only enjoyed a few performances last season. Wycombe away, Northampton away, Huddersfield at home, Birmingham at home, maybe a few others. I unfortunately missed Orient away. 

Then of course I enjoyed results like Wycombe at home, Wembley, Bolton away. But the football was mostly poor and relying on TC or Small to make something happen. Was extremely rare we were putting on a clinic.

It's the same as this season. Enjoyed Brum away second half, Blackburn second half at home, Ipswich second half away, then after that it's real slim pickings. 

He just doesn't play exciting football, not his style. 

I don't know what your ideal yet realistic situation is then? I'm reading 'exciting football' to mean possession based, but please correct me if I'm wrong. We're not in a position to attempt to play that type of football with this squad. For us to play that way next year it would require investment in the summer that will likely result in a points deduction in a few years time.

If by 'exciting' you mean a team that takes more risks within our current style, then I agree with you but I think that is mostly a result of our current situation. This is our first year at the level and most have expressed surprise at how big the gap between the leagues is. We are in a relegation scrap and it isn't the time to go away from our identity. We have the 6 point gap and don't need to play for wins as others do.

I personally enjoyed how we played throughout most of 2025 and I am a bit surprised that you didn't, but to each their own of course. I like possession based football, but I'm just as happy to watch a team that is: defensively solid, willing to mix it up and be direct at times, aggressively pressing teams and, above all else, working hard. These were what I considered to be the core principles of the team last year. 

So if we see a slightly improved squad after the summer, then I see our realistic best case scenario to be a bit more consistency and an improvement on the football we saw during our apex of 2025 that can hopefully be sustained deeper into the season. I'd take that. 

You've said you'd be happy for us to have 20 years in this league. If that's the case you have to accept we're likely to see a lot of middling football. Unless we strike it lucky with some signings, I think we have to realise that progress may be slow. With all of that said, it has been a tough and stressful watch lately.

I want to watch players in the Championship like Lookman, Yann, JBG, Buyens, JRS, Cullen and any other decent player we have had in recent years over a lot of the shit we have had to watch. 

Regarding the bold part, this is kind of my point. We won't stay in this league even 3 years unless there is a massive shift.

You can enjoy today and worry about tomorrow. Unless we up the ante or change the staff, we can expect another season of playing scared and not to lose. Will only take you so far. 

I don’t think there’s a single person in the fanbase is denying that but in reality we have no idea what next season brings. There’s no guarantee we move up the league likewise no guarantee we move down it. 

What we need to do is factor in the objective figures like finances like results like  expectations like progression over a period of time. 

We just have to take it as it comes and address the issues when we face them opposed to worrying what could happen because football changes very quickly 

soapboxsam

NabySarr said:

Bedsaddick said:

DennisBooth said:

Like to see him leave in the Summer. I really don’t think he can make us much better. Plus the fact I have bought a S/T for next season and I don’t think I can take another season of anti football.

I agree . He’s done a great job getting us where we are but the football is appalling and will turn a lot of people off . There must be more progressive managers around?  . We are on a journey as he likes to say but perhaps this is where he gets off the bus ? 

More progressive football without the squad to do it will put us straight back in league 1. Pompey played some of the best football I’ve seen in league 1 when they got promoted, but when they got to the championship they had to abandon it to stay up. If we got rid of Jones and brought in a manager to play nice football we’ll get relegated next season. If we’d done it this season we would have been nailed on 23rd. 

To play that football you need a very good budget, so that you have better footballers than the other teams, that’s not us! 

The teams that over-achieve in the championship play direct football. Look at the teams over-achieving at the top end of the table this season, Millwall, Hull, Derby and Wrexham - all of them are 16th or below for possession. This is what we are aiming to become 

Possession is the strange stat.
You can average 35 percent possession in games over the season and finish in the top 6 BUT you must've the ability to pass and move and punish teams on the counter attack and in transition like Preston did with their winning goal at the Valley when Fullah lost the ball on the edge of their area.
If you keep giving the ball away then you are relying on the way you defend and the team with the 65 percentage of the ball being profligate when they see the goalposts like Middlesbrough did in our 1-0 mugging. 

An acquaintance who has a maths degree and was a manager of a Corals bookmakers before being between a rock and a hard place and working in Gibraltar to make sure the mug punters were always chasing their money came up with a spreadsheet that his team won more games in the Premier when they had between 33 and 39 percent of the play in one particular season.
So it's what you do with the ball when you have it! 

I love seeing good passing and movement which creates a chance or a shot. Never keen on the ball going back to a defender in his own half from a move when you are on the edge of an opponents box.

drawnablank

NJ  kept us up in league one, takes up the following season and is on the verge of keeping us up to follow promotion. 

1 more point and he’s done his job! Again. 

The football is dreadful but with results favouring the club that can’t be a deciding factor on whether he stays or goes. His history with us suggests he’ll achieve his next target too. 

NabySarr

Nicholas said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

fenaddick said:

Braziliance said:

thenewbie said:

Chizz said:

wmcf123 said:

Off_it said:

gringo said:

Chizz said:

Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long. 

I've ranked them in order of their win percentages. 

Kevin Nugent — 50.0%

Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%

Lee Bowyer — 45.5%

Nathan Jones — 43.0%

Chris Powell — 42.4%

Dean Holden — 39.2%

Alan Curbishley — 38.2%

Karl Robinson — 36.5%

Alan Pardew — 35.9%

Phil Parkinson — 34.3%

Guy Luzon — 32.4%

Nigel Adkins — 31.4%

Karel Fraeye — 28.6%

José Riga — 25.0%

Bob Peeters — 25.0%

Iain Dowie — 23.1%

Les Reed — 16.7%

Keith Peacock — 0.0%

Curtis Fleming — 0.0% 

To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons. 

Wheres Appleton?

He's off taking "acting" lessons.

Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.

Just because he’s better than any of those muppets , doesn’t mean he’s the right man beyond this season .  

No. But it does rather draw questions as to who might be better placed to deliver a better record, thereby becoming one of Charlton's greatest ever managers. 

Sometimes, it's better to stick with someone who has done an outstanding job in comparison to dozens before him, than rely on nothing more than dumb hope alone that we could stumble across someone better. 

And, when I say sometimes, I mean always. 

For me what it comes down to is who is this mystery manager who will come in and suddenly turn our current bunch of limited players into prime passing talent? I'm not saying the results are great (they're very much not.) I certainly am not saying I like what we do in terms of style.
But until someone can come up with a viable candidate for someone who can get better results and better football on the same budget Jones works with then frankly we're better off (in purely pragmatic terms) with the devil we know.... sadly.

Don't understand this. Imagine if Southampton, Sheffield United or Norwich had this mindset, it might have been one of them getting relegated this season. 

It's not our job as fans to identify a manager or players, as we aren't qualified to do so, and no one at the club would listen anyway.

It is our duty however to voice our concerns and let the club know we are displeased vocally or with our feet if the football or results etc are poor. 

There are people who are paid a fortune at the club to make these decisions, and at any professional club. 

Big changes in the summer. Jones knows it himself as he's already been on the chopping board twice. We have literally been one loss away twice from having a new manager and people talk like it's absurd to want him out. 

No matter what, the club need to spend a lot this summer. If Jones relies on even 30% of this squad again, we will go down, not a doubt in my mind. That's if we manage to stay up. 

But those clubs did come up with an alternative. 

Of course it isn't our job but it isn't our job to decide we want the manager sacked, who we want to be in the XI, who we'd like to sign etc. but we still discuss is. I think it's interesting that as fans we're happy to discuss all of the above but until a manager is sacked people are reticent to talk about who should be next. Why is it any different?

I think we should. 

I will happily admit, I don't want to watch this football anymore. If I am viewed as negative, moany, etc then so be it.

I want Charlton to stay up of course, and I said I would be happy to spend the next 20 years in this league after the last shit show of a decade, but, we simply won't do it with this style of play and players. 

Big changes needed. Starts with the squad, but if we sign some proper Championship players, and we are still playing in this fashion, we need fresh ideas on the touchline and back room as well. 

Unfortunately, I don't see how it changes. I honestly think you could give Jones, Jack Rudoni, Hayden Hackney, Imrân Louza and we would still look negative and prioritise not losing if they only listened to his instructions and played without freedom.

I'm at a point where I believe he knows one way and one way only. Sheffield Wednesday was enough for me, if we can't outplay them then it's bleak. 

Not saying I want him gone, if he turns it around next season and we can start playing some football then goody gum drops, I just don't see it. 

Why are so many people of the belief that Jones can’t play any other way? Even last season with us we played good stuff from Late-December to May, we were the second highest scorers in the league and second best team in the league 

He’s shown it at Luton before too. So why is it that people think he’s incapable of producing a team that plays better football, he literally did it last season ffs! When he’s got good players for the level and a bit of time he’s shown before that he can do it so why do so many doubt it now? 

I've always had the opinion that I don't rate Jones football but if the results are good I don't care, results are drying up, the football is just as bad, so naturally people will be annoyed. 

I can honestly say I only enjoyed a few performances last season. Wycombe away, Northampton away, Huddersfield at home, Birmingham at home, maybe a few others. I unfortunately missed Orient away. 

Then of course I enjoyed results like Wycombe at home, Wembley, Bolton away. But the football was mostly poor and relying on TC or Small to make something happen. Was extremely rare we were putting on a clinic.

It's the same as this season. Enjoyed Brum away second half, Blackburn second half at home, Ipswich second half away, then after that it's real slim pickings, I'd say at around 25 or more games I've watched us and not wanted to be there. I just enjoy the social aspect, I don't actually go to watch the football anymore. 

He just doesn't play exciting football, not his style. 

That makes me question if you’ve ever enjoyed watching Charlton? We have mostly been shit and the back end of last season should be one of the more exciting periods we’ve had 

And what do you constitute as “exciting football”? The second half of last season we scored goals, won games, plenty of late winners, and got promoted. It literally doesn’t get any more exciting than that surely? 

Honestly not really over the last 20 years. I've enjoyed moments and the odd few games each season, but I could name way more shit players than good players who have pulled on the shirt the last 20 years as most of us could.

As I've said before. If you took me to the Valley now as a kid I probably wouldn't have become a Charlton fan unless it was through family, sort of like how I convinced my little cousins.

My first game I went we beat Arsenal and I was watching players like Jensen and Bent over the years. Kids recently have had to endure Crofts & Ahadme. Got a lot of time for our younger supporters, better fans than I'll ever be as I'd have found something better to do on a weekend years ago after watching us get played off the park by the likes of Fleetwood, Morecambe & Cheltenham. 

It's just part of my life now, it is what it is.

I constitute exciting football as a team who take plenty of shots, try and beat a man, put themselves through someone. Not playing 5 at the back, sideways and back passing all to end up pumping it long anyway. 

So the second half of last season where we scored the 2nd most goals in the league (so must have had plenty of shots), had Small and TC beating people for fun, won loads of games and got promoted wasn’t exciting enough? Unfortunately if that doesn’t meet your standards then they are never going to be met whoever the manager is 

This not a dig at you or your support I promise, but do you go to games or same question to any of the other people on here who constantly tell us how were wrong? When you week in week home and away like Me, Brazilliance and others on here, spend an absolute fortune to watch nothing happen in a game it's demorolising. I can only talk for myself and a few others I know, but we just want to see our team attack once in a while. 
Most teams have a least a 10 minute spell of attacking intent once or twice a game where they really go on the front foot but not us, we literally just do nothing and hope a bit of luck comes our way be it through a free kick, corner or a long ball. It's not football. The only time we ever attack with intent is when is the last few minutes and Jones puts on 8 strikers and causes chaos but that's not good enough.

For 2 years now been crying for the bloke to get some proper wingers in the squad so his 5-3-2 can be changed to 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 should the game need it, but we cant because he wont sign wingers!!  He is so stubborn with his formation it's like if he changes it will be some sort of shame to him it's pathetic. Surely you change your team tactics occasionlly depending on what the oppo play.  The bloke forever bangs on about being front footed but never signed any players who can actually be front footed, we are literally the complete oppisite of front footed.

He signed a shit ton of defenders and a shit ton of strikers but no midfield that's how much he cares about playing football. Like I've said before not expecting us to play from the back, but mix it up that a bit. Not saying dont play 5-3-2 against the better teams in the league or even a lot of the teams. But against crap like Sheff W or some of the other bang averege crap teams who seasons were over a long time ago is just pathetic.

Last season the football wasn't great even when we went on that run to promtion, it was better yes but it only got better because he was about to be sacked so finally grew some bollocks and started playing more attacking with WINGERS and our squad was good enough to beat most of the crap teams in that league. As we got closer to playoffs Nathan the boring games kicked in again with the odd one being decent. All 3 playoffs were absolutey dire even though we were a much better team than Wycome and Orient. Of course no one cares including myself because we got promoted for it.   Nathan Jones's boring tactics does work and of course there is nothing wrong with grinding out results like that from time to time, but there needs to be a fine line of that football and some football for the fans to enjoy otherwise the ground will get emptier and emptier. Just look at night games it’s like league 1 days again. 

I’ve missed 2 league games this season, so maybe try again. 

So you admit the football was better second half of last season? So Jones obviously has it in him to get us playing better football when he has good players for the level we’re playing at (which we don’t at the moment). So why are you so convinced he’s not going to do it over the next few years? When in nearly every interview he says he is going to do exactly that. Have some faith, have some patience (why does no one have any anymore?), and get behind him instead of calling for him to get sacked every time we have a poor run 

elbiglad

Nicholas said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

fenaddick said:

Braziliance said:

thenewbie said:

Chizz said:

wmcf123 said:

Off_it said:

gringo said:

Chizz said:

Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long. 

I've ranked them in order of their win percentages. 

Kevin Nugent — 50.0%

Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%

Lee Bowyer — 45.5%

Nathan Jones — 43.0%

Chris Powell — 42.4%

Dean Holden — 39.2%

Alan Curbishley — 38.2%

Karl Robinson — 36.5%

Alan Pardew — 35.9%

Phil Parkinson — 34.3%

Guy Luzon — 32.4%

Nigel Adkins — 31.4%

Karel Fraeye — 28.6%

José Riga — 25.0%

Bob Peeters — 25.0%

Iain Dowie — 23.1%

Les Reed — 16.7%

Keith Peacock — 0.0%

Curtis Fleming — 0.0% 

To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons. 

Wheres Appleton?

He's off taking "acting" lessons.

Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.

Just because he’s better than any of those muppets , doesn’t mean he’s the right man beyond this season .  

No. But it does rather draw questions as to who might be better placed to deliver a better record, thereby becoming one of Charlton's greatest ever managers. 

Sometimes, it's better to stick with someone who has done an outstanding job in comparison to dozens before him, than rely on nothing more than dumb hope alone that we could stumble across someone better. 

And, when I say sometimes, I mean always. 

For me what it comes down to is who is this mystery manager who will come in and suddenly turn our current bunch of limited players into prime passing talent? I'm not saying the results are great (they're very much not.) I certainly am not saying I like what we do in terms of style.
But until someone can come up with a viable candidate for someone who can get better results and better football on the same budget Jones works with then frankly we're better off (in purely pragmatic terms) with the devil we know.... sadly.

Don't understand this. Imagine if Southampton, Sheffield United or Norwich had this mindset, it might have been one of them getting relegated this season. 

It's not our job as fans to identify a manager or players, as we aren't qualified to do so, and no one at the club would listen anyway.

It is our duty however to voice our concerns and let the club know we are displeased vocally or with our feet if the football or results etc are poor. 

There are people who are paid a fortune at the club to make these decisions, and at any professional club. 

Big changes in the summer. Jones knows it himself as he's already been on the chopping board twice. We have literally been one loss away twice from having a new manager and people talk like it's absurd to want him out. 

No matter what, the club need to spend a lot this summer. If Jones relies on even 30% of this squad again, we will go down, not a doubt in my mind. That's if we manage to stay up. 

But those clubs did come up with an alternative. 

Of course it isn't our job but it isn't our job to decide we want the manager sacked, who we want to be in the XI, who we'd like to sign etc. but we still discuss is. I think it's interesting that as fans we're happy to discuss all of the above but until a manager is sacked people are reticent to talk about who should be next. Why is it any different?

I think we should. 

I will happily admit, I don't want to watch this football anymore. If I am viewed as negative, moany, etc then so be it.

I want Charlton to stay up of course, and I said I would be happy to spend the next 20 years in this league after the last shit show of a decade, but, we simply won't do it with this style of play and players. 

Big changes needed. Starts with the squad, but if we sign some proper Championship players, and we are still playing in this fashion, we need fresh ideas on the touchline and back room as well. 

Unfortunately, I don't see how it changes. I honestly think you could give Jones, Jack Rudoni, Hayden Hackney, Imrân Louza and we would still look negative and prioritise not losing if they only listened to his instructions and played without freedom.

I'm at a point where I believe he knows one way and one way only. Sheffield Wednesday was enough for me, if we can't outplay them then it's bleak. 

Not saying I want him gone, if he turns it around next season and we can start playing some football then goody gum drops, I just don't see it. 

Why are so many people of the belief that Jones can’t play any other way? Even last season with us we played good stuff from Late-December to May, we were the second highest scorers in the league and second best team in the league 

He’s shown it at Luton before too. So why is it that people think he’s incapable of producing a team that plays better football, he literally did it last season ffs! When he’s got good players for the level and a bit of time he’s shown before that he can do it so why do so many doubt it now? 

I've always had the opinion that I don't rate Jones football but if the results are good I don't care, results are drying up, the football is just as bad, so naturally people will be annoyed. 

I can honestly say I only enjoyed a few performances last season. Wycombe away, Northampton away, Huddersfield at home, Birmingham at home, maybe a few others. I unfortunately missed Orient away. 

Then of course I enjoyed results like Wycombe at home, Wembley, Bolton away. But the football was mostly poor and relying on TC or Small to make something happen. Was extremely rare we were putting on a clinic.

It's the same as this season. Enjoyed Brum away second half, Blackburn second half at home, Ipswich second half away, then after that it's real slim pickings, I'd say at around 25 or more games I've watched us and not wanted to be there. I just enjoy the social aspect, I don't actually go to watch the football anymore. 

He just doesn't play exciting football, not his style. 

That makes me question if you’ve ever enjoyed watching Charlton? We have mostly been shit and the back end of last season should be one of the more exciting periods we’ve had 

And what do you constitute as “exciting football”? The second half of last season we scored goals, won games, plenty of late winners, and got promoted. It literally doesn’t get any more exciting than that surely? 

Honestly not really over the last 20 years. I've enjoyed moments and the odd few games each season, but I could name way more shit players than good players who have pulled on the shirt the last 20 years as most of us could.

As I've said before. If you took me to the Valley now as a kid I probably wouldn't have become a Charlton fan unless it was through family, sort of like how I convinced my little cousins.

My first game I went we beat Arsenal and I was watching players like Jensen and Bent over the years. Kids recently have had to endure Crofts & Ahadme. Got a lot of time for our younger supporters, better fans than I'll ever be as I'd have found something better to do on a weekend years ago after watching us get played off the park by the likes of Fleetwood, Morecambe & Cheltenham. 

It's just part of my life now, it is what it is.

I constitute exciting football as a team who take plenty of shots, try and beat a man, put themselves through someone. Not playing 5 at the back, sideways and back passing all to end up pumping it long anyway. 

So the second half of last season where we scored the 2nd most goals in the league (so must have had plenty of shots), had Small and TC beating people for fun, won loads of games and got promoted wasn’t exciting enough? Unfortunately if that doesn’t meet your standards then they are never going to be met whoever the manager is 

This not a dig at you or your support I promise, but do you go to games or same question to any of the other people on here who constantly tell us how were wrong? When you week in week home and away like Me, Brazilliance and others on here, spend an absolute fortune to watch nothing happen in a game it's demorolising. I can only talk for myself and a few others I know, but we just want to see our team attack once in a while. 
Most teams have a least a 10 minute spell of attacking intent once or twice a game where they really go on the front foot but not us, we literally just do nothing and hope a bit of luck comes our way be it through a free kick, corner or a long ball. It's not football. The only time we ever attack with intent is when is the last few minutes and Jones puts on 8 strikers and causes chaos but that's not good enough.

For 2 years now been crying for the bloke to get some proper wingers in the squad so his 5-3-2 can be changed to 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 should the game need it, but we cant because he wont sign wingers!!  He is so stubborn with his formation it's like if he changes it will be some sort of shame to him it's pathetic. Surely you change your team tactics occasionlly depending on what the oppo play.  The bloke forever bangs on about being front footed but never signed any players who can actually be front footed, we are literally the complete oppisite of front footed.

He signed a shit ton of defenders and a shit ton of strikers but no midfield that's how much he cares about playing football. Like I've said before not expecting us to play from the back, but mix it up that a bit. Not saying dont play 5-3-2 against the better teams in the league or even a lot of the teams. But against crap like Sheff W or some of the other bang averege crap teams who seasons were over a long time ago is just pathetic.

Last season the football wasn't great even when we went on that run to promtion, it was better yes but it only got better because he was about to be sacked so finally grew some bollocks and started playing more attacking with WINGERS and our squad was good enough to beat most of the crap teams in that league. As we got closer to playoffs Nathan the boring games kicked in again with the odd one being decent. All 3 playoffs were absolutey dire even though we were a much better team then Wycome and Orient. Of course no one cares including myself because we got promoted for it.   Nathan Jones's boring tactics does work and of course there is nothing wrong with grinding out results like that from time to time, but there needs to be a fine line of that football and some football for the fans to enjoy otherwise the ground will get emptier and emptier. Just look at night games its like league 1 days again. 

I can't speak for others but I am a ST holder and go to as many away games as I can each year with a young family - normally 6 or 7. Even though I have found it increasingly frustrating and painful to watch as of late, I accept that it's primarily due to our situation. I tend to err on the positive and optimistic side which means I don't boo as I don't think it helps the players. The closest I have come to ever booing or feeling genuine dislike towards a player was when Terrell Thomas was playing left back for us. Look how far we've come.

Most managers are dogmatic and I agree that certain managers dig their heels in, e.g. Amorim was stubborn at United and didn't have the players to suit that style - worst case scenario. This squad has been built for this style. It may not be a style that you like, but it's the style NJ uses (and has used at other clubs) with decent results. I don't think this team, as currently put together, is capable of playing another way successfully in this league. To my eyes, we have seen that this style and formation can still be front footed and aggressive when we have a full complement of players and are playing without the nerves and pressure that we currently seem to be. I accept that others may not have enjoyed our performances in 2025 as much as I did, but I'd happily watch that type of football any day of the week.

The whole team could be improved - which is why I think Jones is doing incredibly well with this crop of players - but for me the midfield is the key issue: it is so clearly lacking technical quality that I think any attempt at possession based football would see us soundly beaten most weeks. I don't think this is because Jones doesn't care, but it was surprising to me and many others that more effort wasn't made to address this in January even though Jones did say after Millwall we were looking to bring someone in who could help us control games. I know some attempts were made but failed, like Sam Field. I just don't think recruitment is as easy as some make it out to be, especially with our budget.

charlton_hero

I haven't been able to go as much this season due to other commitments, but I was surprised how poor the atmosphere was at the Bristol City game a few weeks ago. For me the football is killing the atmosphere, it was louder in LG 1. 

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Croydon said:

arny23394 said:

He’s done very well to keep us up with a pretty crap squad (had some little div on twitter arguing this is a mid table squad) and deserves next season. 

If we are still hoovering around the bottom of the league & playing this ghastly brand of football same time next year, I’d hope we go into the 27/28 season with a new manager.

He won't make it to Christmas if we're back round the bottom and playing the same way next season imo.

100%

Nicholas

NabySarr said:

Nicholas said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

fenaddick said:

Braziliance said:

thenewbie said:

Chizz said:

wmcf123 said:

Off_it said:

gringo said:

Chizz said:

Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long. 

I've ranked them in order of their win percentages. 

Kevin Nugent — 50.0%

Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%

Lee Bowyer — 45.5%

Nathan Jones — 43.0%

Chris Powell — 42.4%

Dean Holden — 39.2%

Alan Curbishley — 38.2%

Karl Robinson — 36.5%

Alan Pardew — 35.9%

Phil Parkinson — 34.3%

Guy Luzon — 32.4%

Nigel Adkins — 31.4%

Karel Fraeye — 28.6%

José Riga — 25.0%

Bob Peeters — 25.0%

Iain Dowie — 23.1%

Les Reed — 16.7%

Keith Peacock — 0.0%

Curtis Fleming — 0.0% 

To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons. 

Wheres Appleton?

He's off taking "acting" lessons.

Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.

Just because he’s better than any of those muppets , doesn’t mean he’s the right man beyond this season .  

No. But it does rather draw questions as to who might be better placed to deliver a better record, thereby becoming one of Charlton's greatest ever managers. 

Sometimes, it's better to stick with someone who has done an outstanding job in comparison to dozens before him, than rely on nothing more than dumb hope alone that we could stumble across someone better. 

And, when I say sometimes, I mean always. 

For me what it comes down to is who is this mystery manager who will come in and suddenly turn our current bunch of limited players into prime passing talent? I'm not saying the results are great (they're very much not.) I certainly am not saying I like what we do in terms of style.
But until someone can come up with a viable candidate for someone who can get better results and better football on the same budget Jones works with then frankly we're better off (in purely pragmatic terms) with the devil we know.... sadly.

Don't understand this. Imagine if Southampton, Sheffield United or Norwich had this mindset, it might have been one of them getting relegated this season. 

It's not our job as fans to identify a manager or players, as we aren't qualified to do so, and no one at the club would listen anyway.

It is our duty however to voice our concerns and let the club know we are displeased vocally or with our feet if the football or results etc are poor. 

There are people who are paid a fortune at the club to make these decisions, and at any professional club. 

Big changes in the summer. Jones knows it himself as he's already been on the chopping board twice. We have literally been one loss away twice from having a new manager and people talk like it's absurd to want him out. 

No matter what, the club need to spend a lot this summer. If Jones relies on even 30% of this squad again, we will go down, not a doubt in my mind. That's if we manage to stay up. 

But those clubs did come up with an alternative. 

Of course it isn't our job but it isn't our job to decide we want the manager sacked, who we want to be in the XI, who we'd like to sign etc. but we still discuss is. I think it's interesting that as fans we're happy to discuss all of the above but until a manager is sacked people are reticent to talk about who should be next. Why is it any different?

I think we should. 

I will happily admit, I don't want to watch this football anymore. If I am viewed as negative, moany, etc then so be it.

I want Charlton to stay up of course, and I said I would be happy to spend the next 20 years in this league after the last shit show of a decade, but, we simply won't do it with this style of play and players. 

Big changes needed. Starts with the squad, but if we sign some proper Championship players, and we are still playing in this fashion, we need fresh ideas on the touchline and back room as well. 

Unfortunately, I don't see how it changes. I honestly think you could give Jones, Jack Rudoni, Hayden Hackney, Imrân Louza and we would still look negative and prioritise not losing if they only listened to his instructions and played without freedom.

I'm at a point where I believe he knows one way and one way only. Sheffield Wednesday was enough for me, if we can't outplay them then it's bleak. 

Not saying I want him gone, if he turns it around next season and we can start playing some football then goody gum drops, I just don't see it. 

Why are so many people of the belief that Jones can’t play any other way? Even last season with us we played good stuff from Late-December to May, we were the second highest scorers in the league and second best team in the league 

He’s shown it at Luton before too. So why is it that people think he’s incapable of producing a team that plays better football, he literally did it last season ffs! When he’s got good players for the level and a bit of time he’s shown before that he can do it so why do so many doubt it now? 

I've always had the opinion that I don't rate Jones football but if the results are good I don't care, results are drying up, the football is just as bad, so naturally people will be annoyed. 

I can honestly say I only enjoyed a few performances last season. Wycombe away, Northampton away, Huddersfield at home, Birmingham at home, maybe a few others. I unfortunately missed Orient away. 

Then of course I enjoyed results like Wycombe at home, Wembley, Bolton away. But the football was mostly poor and relying on TC or Small to make something happen. Was extremely rare we were putting on a clinic.

It's the same as this season. Enjoyed Brum away second half, Blackburn second half at home, Ipswich second half away, then after that it's real slim pickings, I'd say at around 25 or more games I've watched us and not wanted to be there. I just enjoy the social aspect, I don't actually go to watch the football anymore. 

He just doesn't play exciting football, not his style. 

That makes me question if you’ve ever enjoyed watching Charlton? We have mostly been shit and the back end of last season should be one of the more exciting periods we’ve had 

And what do you constitute as “exciting football”? The second half of last season we scored goals, won games, plenty of late winners, and got promoted. It literally doesn’t get any more exciting than that surely? 

Honestly not really over the last 20 years. I've enjoyed moments and the odd few games each season, but I could name way more shit players than good players who have pulled on the shirt the last 20 years as most of us could.

As I've said before. If you took me to the Valley now as a kid I probably wouldn't have become a Charlton fan unless it was through family, sort of like how I convinced my little cousins.

My first game I went we beat Arsenal and I was watching players like Jensen and Bent over the years. Kids recently have had to endure Crofts & Ahadme. Got a lot of time for our younger supporters, better fans than I'll ever be as I'd have found something better to do on a weekend years ago after watching us get played off the park by the likes of Fleetwood, Morecambe & Cheltenham. 

It's just part of my life now, it is what it is.

I constitute exciting football as a team who take plenty of shots, try and beat a man, put themselves through someone. Not playing 5 at the back, sideways and back passing all to end up pumping it long anyway. 

So the second half of last season where we scored the 2nd most goals in the league (so must have had plenty of shots), had Small and TC beating people for fun, won loads of games and got promoted wasn’t exciting enough? Unfortunately if that doesn’t meet your standards then they are never going to be met whoever the manager is 

This not a dig at you or your support I promise, but do you go to games or same question to any of the other people on here who constantly tell us how were wrong? When you week in week home and away like Me, Brazilliance and others on here, spend an absolute fortune to watch nothing happen in a game it's demorolising. I can only talk for myself and a few others I know, but we just want to see our team attack once in a while. 
Most teams have a least a 10 minute spell of attacking intent once or twice a game where they really go on the front foot but not us, we literally just do nothing and hope a bit of luck comes our way be it through a free kick, corner or a long ball. It's not football. The only time we ever attack with intent is when is the last few minutes and Jones puts on 8 strikers and causes chaos but that's not good enough.

For 2 years now been crying for the bloke to get some proper wingers in the squad so his 5-3-2 can be changed to 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 should the game need it, but we cant because he wont sign wingers!!  He is so stubborn with his formation it's like if he changes it will be some sort of shame to him it's pathetic. Surely you change your team tactics occasionlly depending on what the oppo play.  The bloke forever bangs on about being front footed but never signed any players who can actually be front footed, we are literally the complete oppisite of front footed.

He signed a shit ton of defenders and a shit ton of strikers but no midfield that's how much he cares about playing football. Like I've said before not expecting us to play from the back, but mix it up that a bit. Not saying dont play 5-3-2 against the better teams in the league or even a lot of the teams. But against crap like Sheff W or some of the other bang averege crap teams who seasons were over a long time ago is just pathetic.

Last season the football wasn't great even when we went on that run to promtion, it was better yes but it only got better because he was about to be sacked so finally grew some bollocks and started playing more attacking with WINGERS and our squad was good enough to beat most of the crap teams in that league. As we got closer to playoffs Nathan the boring games kicked in again with the odd one being decent. All 3 playoffs were absolutey dire even though we were a much better team than Wycome and Orient. Of course no one cares including myself because we got promoted for it.   Nathan Jones's boring tactics does work and of course there is nothing wrong with grinding out results like that from time to time, but there needs to be a fine line of that football and some football for the fans to enjoy otherwise the ground will get emptier and emptier. Just look at night games it’s like league 1 days again. 

I’ve missed 2 league games this season, so maybe try again. 

So you admit the football was better second half of last season? So Jones obviously has it in him to get us playing better football when he has good players for the level we’re playing at (which we don’t at the moment). So why are you so convinced he’s not going to do it over the next few years? When in nearly every interview he says he is going to do exactly that. Have some faith, have some patience (why does no one have any anymore?), and get behind him instead of calling for him to get sacked every time we have a poor run 

Like I said it wasn't a dig at you so yeah try again. So you have been to 41 games and for 80% of them you havent been sitting there bored shitless because sod all is happening?

He refused to sign players who could get us attacking this season, he failed in the summer and failed in January. He doenst want to play any kind of attacking football. In fact he didnt fail he just dosnt want to play with any attacking intent. His whole philsophy is to try and nick a goal and hold on for dear life.  Like I said the football only got better when he was on the brink of getting the sack and had nothing to lose. 

There has been plenty of times this season we have been in a more then safe position but chose to play these same awful tactics, look at the last few games, Oxford away, nothing performence when we was well clear of the bottom 3. Then nothing performences against teams who have nothing to play for and their seasons are fallling away Norwich, Preston, Watford. Sheff W the other day was an utter shambles, to hardly have an attack against a team that is probably not good enough for league 2 let alone the championship is shocking. We started the game with 4 centre backs, 2 wing backs, he even brought on another 2 defenders in the game, so against the worst team in the championships history we played a total of 10 defenders throughoit the game plus the gk let that sink in for a second.

One thing I disagree with Brazillance about is I think besides Chambers the other main 4 are totally fine in the championship, I also think our strikers aint too bad but dont get no service because he bypassed buying a midfield. Doc would have been a perfect back up player this season, Cov is ok but needs competition and Carey is not very good but because he scored a few he is god to some, improtant goals granted but he does sod all for the midfield and is only interested in being the hero then actually being a team player.

NabySarr

Nicholas said:

NabySarr said:

Nicholas said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

fenaddick said:

Braziliance said:

thenewbie said:

Chizz said:

wmcf123 said:

Off_it said:

gringo said:

Chizz said:

Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long. 

I've ranked them in order of their win percentages. 

Kevin Nugent — 50.0%

Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%

Lee Bowyer — 45.5%

Nathan Jones — 43.0%

Chris Powell — 42.4%

Dean Holden — 39.2%

Alan Curbishley — 38.2%

Karl Robinson — 36.5%

Alan Pardew — 35.9%

Phil Parkinson — 34.3%

Guy Luzon — 32.4%

Nigel Adkins — 31.4%

Karel Fraeye — 28.6%

José Riga — 25.0%

Bob Peeters — 25.0%

Iain Dowie — 23.1%

Les Reed — 16.7%

Keith Peacock — 0.0%

Curtis Fleming — 0.0% 

To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons. 

Wheres Appleton?

He's off taking "acting" lessons.

Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.

Just because he’s better than any of those muppets , doesn’t mean he’s the right man beyond this season .  

No. But it does rather draw questions as to who might be better placed to deliver a better record, thereby becoming one of Charlton's greatest ever managers. 

Sometimes, it's better to stick with someone who has done an outstanding job in comparison to dozens before him, than rely on nothing more than dumb hope alone that we could stumble across someone better. 

And, when I say sometimes, I mean always. 

For me what it comes down to is who is this mystery manager who will come in and suddenly turn our current bunch of limited players into prime passing talent? I'm not saying the results are great (they're very much not.) I certainly am not saying I like what we do in terms of style.
But until someone can come up with a viable candidate for someone who can get better results and better football on the same budget Jones works with then frankly we're better off (in purely pragmatic terms) with the devil we know.... sadly.

Don't understand this. Imagine if Southampton, Sheffield United or Norwich had this mindset, it might have been one of them getting relegated this season. 

It's not our job as fans to identify a manager or players, as we aren't qualified to do so, and no one at the club would listen anyway.

It is our duty however to voice our concerns and let the club know we are displeased vocally or with our feet if the football or results etc are poor. 

There are people who are paid a fortune at the club to make these decisions, and at any professional club. 

Big changes in the summer. Jones knows it himself as he's already been on the chopping board twice. We have literally been one loss away twice from having a new manager and people talk like it's absurd to want him out. 

No matter what, the club need to spend a lot this summer. If Jones relies on even 30% of this squad again, we will go down, not a doubt in my mind. That's if we manage to stay up. 

But those clubs did come up with an alternative. 

Of course it isn't our job but it isn't our job to decide we want the manager sacked, who we want to be in the XI, who we'd like to sign etc. but we still discuss is. I think it's interesting that as fans we're happy to discuss all of the above but until a manager is sacked people are reticent to talk about who should be next. Why is it any different?

I think we should. 

I will happily admit, I don't want to watch this football anymore. If I am viewed as negative, moany, etc then so be it.

I want Charlton to stay up of course, and I said I would be happy to spend the next 20 years in this league after the last shit show of a decade, but, we simply won't do it with this style of play and players. 

Big changes needed. Starts with the squad, but if we sign some proper Championship players, and we are still playing in this fashion, we need fresh ideas on the touchline and back room as well. 

Unfortunately, I don't see how it changes. I honestly think you could give Jones, Jack Rudoni, Hayden Hackney, Imrân Louza and we would still look negative and prioritise not losing if they only listened to his instructions and played without freedom.

I'm at a point where I believe he knows one way and one way only. Sheffield Wednesday was enough for me, if we can't outplay them then it's bleak. 

Not saying I want him gone, if he turns it around next season and we can start playing some football then goody gum drops, I just don't see it. 

Why are so many people of the belief that Jones can’t play any other way? Even last season with us we played good stuff from Late-December to May, we were the second highest scorers in the league and second best team in the league 

He’s shown it at Luton before too. So why is it that people think he’s incapable of producing a team that plays better football, he literally did it last season ffs! When he’s got good players for the level and a bit of time he’s shown before that he can do it so why do so many doubt it now? 

I've always had the opinion that I don't rate Jones football but if the results are good I don't care, results are drying up, the football is just as bad, so naturally people will be annoyed. 

I can honestly say I only enjoyed a few performances last season. Wycombe away, Northampton away, Huddersfield at home, Birmingham at home, maybe a few others. I unfortunately missed Orient away. 

Then of course I enjoyed results like Wycombe at home, Wembley, Bolton away. But the football was mostly poor and relying on TC or Small to make something happen. Was extremely rare we were putting on a clinic.

It's the same as this season. Enjoyed Brum away second half, Blackburn second half at home, Ipswich second half away, then after that it's real slim pickings, I'd say at around 25 or more games I've watched us and not wanted to be there. I just enjoy the social aspect, I don't actually go to watch the football anymore. 

He just doesn't play exciting football, not his style. 

That makes me question if you’ve ever enjoyed watching Charlton? We have mostly been shit and the back end of last season should be one of the more exciting periods we’ve had 

And what do you constitute as “exciting football”? The second half of last season we scored goals, won games, plenty of late winners, and got promoted. It literally doesn’t get any more exciting than that surely? 

Honestly not really over the last 20 years. I've enjoyed moments and the odd few games each season, but I could name way more shit players than good players who have pulled on the shirt the last 20 years as most of us could.

As I've said before. If you took me to the Valley now as a kid I probably wouldn't have become a Charlton fan unless it was through family, sort of like how I convinced my little cousins.

My first game I went we beat Arsenal and I was watching players like Jensen and Bent over the years. Kids recently have had to endure Crofts & Ahadme. Got a lot of time for our younger supporters, better fans than I'll ever be as I'd have found something better to do on a weekend years ago after watching us get played off the park by the likes of Fleetwood, Morecambe & Cheltenham. 

It's just part of my life now, it is what it is.

I constitute exciting football as a team who take plenty of shots, try and beat a man, put themselves through someone. Not playing 5 at the back, sideways and back passing all to end up pumping it long anyway. 

So the second half of last season where we scored the 2nd most goals in the league (so must have had plenty of shots), had Small and TC beating people for fun, won loads of games and got promoted wasn’t exciting enough? Unfortunately if that doesn’t meet your standards then they are never going to be met whoever the manager is 

This not a dig at you or your support I promise, but do you go to games or same question to any of the other people on here who constantly tell us how were wrong? When you week in week home and away like Me, Brazilliance and others on here, spend an absolute fortune to watch nothing happen in a game it's demorolising. I can only talk for myself and a few others I know, but we just want to see our team attack once in a while. 
Most teams have a least a 10 minute spell of attacking intent once or twice a game where they really go on the front foot but not us, we literally just do nothing and hope a bit of luck comes our way be it through a free kick, corner or a long ball. It's not football. The only time we ever attack with intent is when is the last few minutes and Jones puts on 8 strikers and causes chaos but that's not good enough.

For 2 years now been crying for the bloke to get some proper wingers in the squad so his 5-3-2 can be changed to 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 should the game need it, but we cant because he wont sign wingers!!  He is so stubborn with his formation it's like if he changes it will be some sort of shame to him it's pathetic. Surely you change your team tactics occasionlly depending on what the oppo play.  The bloke forever bangs on about being front footed but never signed any players who can actually be front footed, we are literally the complete oppisite of front footed.

He signed a shit ton of defenders and a shit ton of strikers but no midfield that's how much he cares about playing football. Like I've said before not expecting us to play from the back, but mix it up that a bit. Not saying dont play 5-3-2 against the better teams in the league or even a lot of the teams. But against crap like Sheff W or some of the other bang averege crap teams who seasons were over a long time ago is just pathetic.

Last season the football wasn't great even when we went on that run to promtion, it was better yes but it only got better because he was about to be sacked so finally grew some bollocks and started playing more attacking with WINGERS and our squad was good enough to beat most of the crap teams in that league. As we got closer to playoffs Nathan the boring games kicked in again with the odd one being decent. All 3 playoffs were absolutey dire even though we were a much better team than Wycome and Orient. Of course no one cares including myself because we got promoted for it.   Nathan Jones's boring tactics does work and of course there is nothing wrong with grinding out results like that from time to time, but there needs to be a fine line of that football and some football for the fans to enjoy otherwise the ground will get emptier and emptier. Just look at night games it’s like league 1 days again. 

I’ve missed 2 league games this season, so maybe try again. 

So you admit the football was better second half of last season? So Jones obviously has it in him to get us playing better football when he has good players for the level we’re playing at (which we don’t at the moment). So why are you so convinced he’s not going to do it over the next few years? When in nearly every interview he says he is going to do exactly that. Have some faith, have some patience (why does no one have any anymore?), and get behind him instead of calling for him to get sacked every time we have a poor run 

Like I said it wasn't a dig at you so yeah try again. So you have been to 41 games and for 80% of them you havent been sitting there bored shitless because sod all is happening?

He refused to sign players who could get us attacking this season, he failed in the summer and failed in January. He doenst want to play any kind of attacking football. In fact he didnt fail he just dosnt want to play with any attacking intent. His whole philsophy is to try and nick a goal and hold on for dear life.  Like I said the football only got better when he was on the brink of getting the sack and had nothing to lose. 

There has been plenty of times this season we have been in a more then safe position but chose to play these same awful tactics, look at the last few games, Oxford away, nothing performence when we was well clear of the bottom 3. Then nothing performences against teams who have nothing to play for and their seasons are fallling away Norwich, Preston, Watford. Sheff W the other day was an utter shambles, to hardly have an attack against a team that is probably not good enough for league 2 let alone the championship is shocking. We started the game with 4 centre backs, 2 wing backs, he even brought on another 2 defenders in the game, so against the worst team in the championships history we played a total of 10 defenders throughoit the game plus the gk let that sink in for a second.

One thing I disagree with Brazillance about is I think besides Chambers the other main 4 are totally fine in the championship, I also think our strikers aint too bad but dont get no service because he bypassed buying a midfield. Doc would have been a perfect back up player this season, Cov is ok but needs competition and Carey is not very good but because he scored a few he is god to some, improtant goals granted but he does sod all for the midfield and is only interested in being the hero then actually being a team player.

We don’t have it in us to play a more open attacking game and get results in the championship with this squad unfortunately. You might disagree, but look at the stats on our recent home games they were a lot more open than we usually have them, we tried to attack more, and we lost them all. The games we win, we shut the game down so that neither team has chances, and we nick it 1-0. 

I’m not disagreeing that it’s horrible to watch at times, but you can’t argue it hasn’t been effective and Jones hasn’t done a ridiculously good job so far. He’s also said many times about how he’s going to continue to progress us and our style, which we saw him do in league 1 last season. He did the exact same at Luton in the championship too. So I don’t see why people are so convinced he isn’t able to do it again when looking at the evidence of him doing it in the past more than once? 

I think there’s also a blatant over-simplification of how easy it was for us to sign good players in the summer. Yes the midfield is poor, but it’s just not possible as a newly promoted side on our budget to sign this box to box midfielder that’s brilliant without the ball and can pass, create and score goals. It’s just not realistic. To stay up we needed a midfield that was good without the ball, that’s what we got and it’s worked. We couldn’t afford better than that, maybe this summer we will be able to upgrade there 

Nicholas

NabySarr said:

Nicholas said:

NabySarr said:

Nicholas said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

fenaddick said:

Braziliance said:

thenewbie said:

Chizz said:

wmcf123 said:

Off_it said:

gringo said:

Chizz said:

Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long. 

I've ranked them in order of their win percentages. 

Kevin Nugent — 50.0%

Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%

Lee Bowyer — 45.5%

Nathan Jones — 43.0%

Chris Powell — 42.4%

Dean Holden — 39.2%

Alan Curbishley — 38.2%

Karl Robinson — 36.5%

Alan Pardew — 35.9%

Phil Parkinson — 34.3%

Guy Luzon — 32.4%

Nigel Adkins — 31.4%

Karel Fraeye — 28.6%

José Riga — 25.0%

Bob Peeters — 25.0%

Iain Dowie — 23.1%

Les Reed — 16.7%

Keith Peacock — 0.0%

Curtis Fleming — 0.0% 

To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons. 

Wheres Appleton?

He's off taking "acting" lessons.

Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.

Just because he’s better than any of those muppets , doesn’t mean he’s the right man beyond this season .  

No. But it does rather draw questions as to who might be better placed to deliver a better record, thereby becoming one of Charlton's greatest ever managers. 

Sometimes, it's better to stick with someone who has done an outstanding job in comparison to dozens before him, than rely on nothing more than dumb hope alone that we could stumble across someone better. 

And, when I say sometimes, I mean always. 

For me what it comes down to is who is this mystery manager who will come in and suddenly turn our current bunch of limited players into prime passing talent? I'm not saying the results are great (they're very much not.) I certainly am not saying I like what we do in terms of style.
But until someone can come up with a viable candidate for someone who can get better results and better football on the same budget Jones works with then frankly we're better off (in purely pragmatic terms) with the devil we know.... sadly.

Don't understand this. Imagine if Southampton, Sheffield United or Norwich had this mindset, it might have been one of them getting relegated this season. 

It's not our job as fans to identify a manager or players, as we aren't qualified to do so, and no one at the club would listen anyway.

It is our duty however to voice our concerns and let the club know we are displeased vocally or with our feet if the football or results etc are poor. 

There are people who are paid a fortune at the club to make these decisions, and at any professional club. 

Big changes in the summer. Jones knows it himself as he's already been on the chopping board twice. We have literally been one loss away twice from having a new manager and people talk like it's absurd to want him out. 

No matter what, the club need to spend a lot this summer. If Jones relies on even 30% of this squad again, we will go down, not a doubt in my mind. That's if we manage to stay up. 

But those clubs did come up with an alternative. 

Of course it isn't our job but it isn't our job to decide we want the manager sacked, who we want to be in the XI, who we'd like to sign etc. but we still discuss is. I think it's interesting that as fans we're happy to discuss all of the above but until a manager is sacked people are reticent to talk about who should be next. Why is it any different?

I think we should. 

I will happily admit, I don't want to watch this football anymore. If I am viewed as negative, moany, etc then so be it.

I want Charlton to stay up of course, and I said I would be happy to spend the next 20 years in this league after the last shit show of a decade, but, we simply won't do it with this style of play and players. 

Big changes needed. Starts with the squad, but if we sign some proper Championship players, and we are still playing in this fashion, we need fresh ideas on the touchline and back room as well. 

Unfortunately, I don't see how it changes. I honestly think you could give Jones, Jack Rudoni, Hayden Hackney, Imrân Louza and we would still look negative and prioritise not losing if they only listened to his instructions and played without freedom.

I'm at a point where I believe he knows one way and one way only. Sheffield Wednesday was enough for me, if we can't outplay them then it's bleak. 

Not saying I want him gone, if he turns it around next season and we can start playing some football then goody gum drops, I just don't see it. 

Why are so many people of the belief that Jones can’t play any other way? Even last season with us we played good stuff from Late-December to May, we were the second highest scorers in the league and second best team in the league 

He’s shown it at Luton before too. So why is it that people think he’s incapable of producing a team that plays better football, he literally did it last season ffs! When he’s got good players for the level and a bit of time he’s shown before that he can do it so why do so many doubt it now? 

I've always had the opinion that I don't rate Jones football but if the results are good I don't care, results are drying up, the football is just as bad, so naturally people will be annoyed. 

I can honestly say I only enjoyed a few performances last season. Wycombe away, Northampton away, Huddersfield at home, Birmingham at home, maybe a few others. I unfortunately missed Orient away. 

Then of course I enjoyed results like Wycombe at home, Wembley, Bolton away. But the football was mostly poor and relying on TC or Small to make something happen. Was extremely rare we were putting on a clinic.

It's the same as this season. Enjoyed Brum away second half, Blackburn second half at home, Ipswich second half away, then after that it's real slim pickings, I'd say at around 25 or more games I've watched us and not wanted to be there. I just enjoy the social aspect, I don't actually go to watch the football anymore. 

He just doesn't play exciting football, not his style. 

That makes me question if you’ve ever enjoyed watching Charlton? We have mostly been shit and the back end of last season should be one of the more exciting periods we’ve had 

And what do you constitute as “exciting football”? The second half of last season we scored goals, won games, plenty of late winners, and got promoted. It literally doesn’t get any more exciting than that surely? 

Honestly not really over the last 20 years. I've enjoyed moments and the odd few games each season, but I could name way more shit players than good players who have pulled on the shirt the last 20 years as most of us could.

As I've said before. If you took me to the Valley now as a kid I probably wouldn't have become a Charlton fan unless it was through family, sort of like how I convinced my little cousins.

My first game I went we beat Arsenal and I was watching players like Jensen and Bent over the years. Kids recently have had to endure Crofts & Ahadme. Got a lot of time for our younger supporters, better fans than I'll ever be as I'd have found something better to do on a weekend years ago after watching us get played off the park by the likes of Fleetwood, Morecambe & Cheltenham. 

It's just part of my life now, it is what it is.

I constitute exciting football as a team who take plenty of shots, try and beat a man, put themselves through someone. Not playing 5 at the back, sideways and back passing all to end up pumping it long anyway. 

So the second half of last season where we scored the 2nd most goals in the league (so must have had plenty of shots), had Small and TC beating people for fun, won loads of games and got promoted wasn’t exciting enough? Unfortunately if that doesn’t meet your standards then they are never going to be met whoever the manager is 

This not a dig at you or your support I promise, but do you go to games or same question to any of the other people on here who constantly tell us how were wrong? When you week in week home and away like Me, Brazilliance and others on here, spend an absolute fortune to watch nothing happen in a game it's demorolising. I can only talk for myself and a few others I know, but we just want to see our team attack once in a while. 
Most teams have a least a 10 minute spell of attacking intent once or twice a game where they really go on the front foot but not us, we literally just do nothing and hope a bit of luck comes our way be it through a free kick, corner or a long ball. It's not football. The only time we ever attack with intent is when is the last few minutes and Jones puts on 8 strikers and causes chaos but that's not good enough.

For 2 years now been crying for the bloke to get some proper wingers in the squad so his 5-3-2 can be changed to 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 should the game need it, but we cant because he wont sign wingers!!  He is so stubborn with his formation it's like if he changes it will be some sort of shame to him it's pathetic. Surely you change your team tactics occasionlly depending on what the oppo play.  The bloke forever bangs on about being front footed but never signed any players who can actually be front footed, we are literally the complete oppisite of front footed.

He signed a shit ton of defenders and a shit ton of strikers but no midfield that's how much he cares about playing football. Like I've said before not expecting us to play from the back, but mix it up that a bit. Not saying dont play 5-3-2 against the better teams in the league or even a lot of the teams. But against crap like Sheff W or some of the other bang averege crap teams who seasons were over a long time ago is just pathetic.

Last season the football wasn't great even when we went on that run to promtion, it was better yes but it only got better because he was about to be sacked so finally grew some bollocks and started playing more attacking with WINGERS and our squad was good enough to beat most of the crap teams in that league. As we got closer to playoffs Nathan the boring games kicked in again with the odd one being decent. All 3 playoffs were absolutey dire even though we were a much better team than Wycome and Orient. Of course no one cares including myself because we got promoted for it.   Nathan Jones's boring tactics does work and of course there is nothing wrong with grinding out results like that from time to time, but there needs to be a fine line of that football and some football for the fans to enjoy otherwise the ground will get emptier and emptier. Just look at night games it’s like league 1 days again. 

I’ve missed 2 league games this season, so maybe try again. 

So you admit the football was better second half of last season? So Jones obviously has it in him to get us playing better football when he has good players for the level we’re playing at (which we don’t at the moment). So why are you so convinced he’s not going to do it over the next few years? When in nearly every interview he says he is going to do exactly that. Have some faith, have some patience (why does no one have any anymore?), and get behind him instead of calling for him to get sacked every time we have a poor run 

Like I said it wasn't a dig at you so yeah try again. So you have been to 41 games and for 80% of them you havent been sitting there bored shitless because sod all is happening?

He refused to sign players who could get us attacking this season, he failed in the summer and failed in January. He doenst want to play any kind of attacking football. In fact he didnt fail he just dosnt want to play with any attacking intent. His whole philsophy is to try and nick a goal and hold on for dear life.  Like I said the football only got better when he was on the brink of getting the sack and had nothing to lose. 

There has been plenty of times this season we have been in a more then safe position but chose to play these same awful tactics, look at the last few games, Oxford away, nothing performence when we was well clear of the bottom 3. Then nothing performences against teams who have nothing to play for and their seasons are fallling away Norwich, Preston, Watford. Sheff W the other day was an utter shambles, to hardly have an attack against a team that is probably not good enough for league 2 let alone the championship is shocking. We started the game with 4 centre backs, 2 wing backs, he even brought on another 2 defenders in the game, so against the worst team in the championships history we played a total of 10 defenders throughoit the game plus the gk let that sink in for a second.

One thing I disagree with Brazillance about is I think besides Chambers the other main 4 are totally fine in the championship, I also think our strikers aint too bad but dont get no service because he bypassed buying a midfield. Doc would have been a perfect back up player this season, Cov is ok but needs competition and Carey is not very good but because he scored a few he is god to some, improtant goals granted but he does sod all for the midfield and is only interested in being the hero then actually being a team player.

We don’t have it in us to play a more open attacking game and get results in the championship with this squad unfortunately. You might disagree, but look at the stats on our recent home games they were a lot more open than we usually have them, we tried to attack more, and we lost them all. The games we win, we shut the game down so that neither team has chances, and we nick it 1-0. 

I’m not disagreeing that it’s horrible to watch at times, but you can’t argue it hasn’t been effective and Jones hasn’t done a ridiculously good job so far. He’s also said many times about how he’s going to continue to progress us and our style, which we saw him do in league 1 last season. He did the exact same at Luton in the championship too. So I don’t see why people are so convinced he isn’t able to do it again when looking at the evidence of him doing it in the past more than once? 

I think there’s also a blatant over-simplification of how easy it was for us to sign good players in the summer. Yes the midfield is poor, but it’s just not possible as a newly promoted side on our budget to sign this box to box midfielder that’s brilliant without the ball and can pass, create and score goals. It’s just not realistic. To stay up we needed a midfield that was good without the ball, that’s what we got and it’s worked. We couldn’t afford better than that, maybe this summer we will be able to upgrade there 

We started off really well against PNE with the attacking wing backs, got caught with a sucker punch and instantly resorted to putting everyone behind the ball and putting us on the backfoot. I totally get the squad isnt good enough and I wasnt expecting any world beaters, however i was expecting a attacking winger or 2 to be able to change the formation to go more attacking if need be. Apter could have been that player but not once did he have Apter on the right, TC on the left and one of the forwards in the middle, even when we were chasing the game it still never happened. I was expecting Rankin Costello to feature more then he has this season and even Knibbs before his injury. But again Jones has his favourites and sticks to them religiously. 

I do agree with you the squad isnt good enough but I think it is good enough to finish a couple of places above where we are now. We have had Sheff W relegated before we kicked a ball, we have had Leicester in free fall and quite frankly a least another 8-10 teams round us are shit and are not that much better then us if at all.

Also Think Jones formation and style of play should not be stopped, there is a time and a opponent for it to be done I can accept that and most fans would as well. But every single game is making going a very hard watch. You see every game the fans feel up for it, singing, chanting etc then within half hour it all goes quiet, people are having conversations, not paying attention, loads stay at the bar because they have had enough it ends up feeling like a bad preseason game.

DamoNorthStand

arny23394 said:

He’s done very well to keep us up with a pretty crap squad (had some little div on twitter arguing this is a mid table squad) and deserves next season. 

If we are still hoovering around the bottom of the league & playing this ghastly brand of football same time next year, I’d hope we go into the 27/28 season with a new manager.

Oh I didnt know we had stayed up - must have missed it. Tottenham away ole ole!

Crispywood

charlton_hero said:

I haven't been able to go as much this season due to other commitments, but I was surprised how poor the atmosphere was at the Bristol City game a few weeks ago. For me the football is killing the atmosphere, it was louder in LG 1. 

The football doesn’t kill the atmosphere it’s the level of success the club is currently in. Take L1 from Northampton away we played the exact team exact same style etc etc. February 2nd  14.8k at Exeter. Northampton April 18th 20k, only difference one side was competing at midtable one at playoffs despite being the exact same style 

Sword65pf

Braziliance said:

fenaddick said:

Braziliance said:

thenewbie said:

Chizz said:

wmcf123 said:

Off_it said:

gringo said:

Chizz said:

Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long. 

I've ranked them in order of their win percentages. 

Kevin Nugent — 50.0%

Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%

Lee Bowyer — 45.5%

Nathan Jones — 43.0%

Chris Powell — 42.4%

Dean Holden — 39.2%

Alan Curbishley — 38.2%

Karl Robinson — 36.5%

Alan Pardew — 35.9%

Phil Parkinson — 34.3%

Guy Luzon — 32.4%

Nigel Adkins — 31.4%

Karel Fraeye — 28.6%

José Riga — 25.0%

Bob Peeters — 25.0%

Iain Dowie — 23.1%

Les Reed — 16.7%

Keith Peacock — 0.0%

Curtis Fleming — 0.0% 

To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons. 

Wheres Appleton?

He's off taking "acting" lessons.

Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.

Just because he’s better than any of those muppets , doesn’t mean he’s the right man beyond this season .  

No. But it does rather draw questions as to who might be better placed to deliver a better record, thereby becoming one of Charlton's greatest ever managers. 

Sometimes, it's better to stick with someone who has done an outstanding job in comparison to dozens before him, than rely on nothing more than dumb hope alone that we could stumble across someone better. 

And, when I say sometimes, I mean always. 

For me what it comes down to is who is this mystery manager who will come in and suddenly turn our current bunch of limited players into prime passing talent? I'm not saying the results are great (they're very much not.) I certainly am not saying I like what we do in terms of style.
But until someone can come up with a viable candidate for someone who can get better results and better football on the same budget Jones works with then frankly we're better off (in purely pragmatic terms) with the devil we know.... sadly.

Don't understand this. Imagine if Southampton, Sheffield United or Norwich had this mindset, it might have been one of them getting relegated this season. 

It's not our job as fans to identify a manager or players, as we aren't qualified to do so, and no one at the club would listen anyway.

It is our duty however to voice our concerns and let the club know we are displeased vocally or with our feet if the football or results etc are poor. 

There are people who are paid a fortune at the club to make these decisions, and at any professional club. 

Big changes in the summer. Jones knows it himself as he's already been on the chopping board twice. We have literally been one loss away twice from having a new manager and people talk like it's absurd to want him out. 

No matter what, the club need to spend a lot this summer. If Jones relies on even 30% of this squad again, we will go down, not a doubt in my mind. That's if we manage to stay up. 

But those clubs did come up with an alternative. 

Of course it isn't our job but it isn't our job to decide we want the manager sacked, who we want to be in the XI, who we'd like to sign etc. but we still discuss is. I think it's interesting that as fans we're happy to discuss all of the above but until a manager is sacked people are reticent to talk about who should be next. Why is it any different?

I think we should. 

I will happily admit, I don't want to watch this football anymore. If I am viewed as negative, moany, etc then so be it.

I want Charlton to stay up of course, and I said I would be happy to spend the next 20 years in this league after the last shit show of a decade, but, we simply won't do it with this style of play and players. 

Big changes needed. Starts with the squad, but if we sign some proper Championship players, and we are still playing in this fashion, we need fresh ideas on the touchline and back room as well. 

Unfortunately, I don't see how it changes. I honestly think you could give Jones, Jack Rudoni, Hayden Hackney, Imrân Louza and we would still look negative and prioritise not losing if they only listened to his instructions and played without freedom.

I'm at a point where I believe he knows one way and one way only. Sheffield Wednesday was enough for me, if we can't outplay them then it's bleak. 

Not saying I want him gone, if he turns it around next season and we can start playing some football then goody gum drops, I just don't see it. 

I’ve liked this for the quote’ goody gum drops’ , I probably would have liked it anyway but that was the over riding factor😂

NabySarr

Crispywood said:

charlton_hero said:

I haven't been able to go as much this season due to other commitments, but I was surprised how poor the atmosphere was at the Bristol City game a few weeks ago. For me the football is killing the atmosphere, it was louder in LG 1. 

The football doesn’t kill the atmosphere it’s the level of success the club is currently in. Take L1 from Northampton away we played the exact team exact same style etc etc. February 2nd  14.8k at Exeter. Northampton April 18th 20k, only difference one side was competing at midtable one at playoffs despite being the exact same style 

Exactly, if we play this style next season but slightly more effectively so that we are in with a shot of the top 8, the ground will be packed 

elbiglad

Braziliance said:

elbiglad said:

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

fenaddick said:

Braziliance said:

thenewbie said:

Chizz said:

wmcf123 said:

Off_it said:

gringo said:

Chizz said:

Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long. 

I've ranked them in order of their win percentages. 

Kevin Nugent — 50.0%

Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%

Lee Bowyer — 45.5%

Nathan Jones — 43.0%

Chris Powell — 42.4%

Dean Holden — 39.2%

Alan Curbishley — 38.2%

Karl Robinson — 36.5%

Alan Pardew — 35.9%

Phil Parkinson — 34.3%

Guy Luzon — 32.4%

Nigel Adkins — 31.4%

Karel Fraeye — 28.6%

José Riga — 25.0%

Bob Peeters — 25.0%

Iain Dowie — 23.1%

Les Reed — 16.7%

Keith Peacock — 0.0%

Curtis Fleming — 0.0% 

To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons. 

Wheres Appleton?

He's off taking "acting" lessons.

Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.

Just because he’s better than any of those muppets , doesn’t mean he’s the right man beyond this season .  

No. But it does rather draw questions as to who might be better placed to deliver a better record, thereby becoming one of Charlton's greatest ever managers. 

Sometimes, it's better to stick with someone who has done an outstanding job in comparison to dozens before him, than rely on nothing more than dumb hope alone that we could stumble across someone better. 

And, when I say sometimes, I mean always. 

For me what it comes down to is who is this mystery manager who will come in and suddenly turn our current bunch of limited players into prime passing talent? I'm not saying the results are great (they're very much not.) I certainly am not saying I like what we do in terms of style.
But until someone can come up with a viable candidate for someone who can get better results and better football on the same budget Jones works with then frankly we're better off (in purely pragmatic terms) with the devil we know.... sadly.

Don't understand this. Imagine if Southampton, Sheffield United or Norwich had this mindset, it might have been one of them getting relegated this season. 

It's not our job as fans to identify a manager or players, as we aren't qualified to do so, and no one at the club would listen anyway.

It is our duty however to voice our concerns and let the club know we are displeased vocally or with our feet if the football or results etc are poor. 

There are people who are paid a fortune at the club to make these decisions, and at any professional club. 

Big changes in the summer. Jones knows it himself as he's already been on the chopping board twice. We have literally been one loss away twice from having a new manager and people talk like it's absurd to want him out. 

No matter what, the club need to spend a lot this summer. If Jones relies on even 30% of this squad again, we will go down, not a doubt in my mind. That's if we manage to stay up. 

But those clubs did come up with an alternative. 

Of course it isn't our job but it isn't our job to decide we want the manager sacked, who we want to be in the XI, who we'd like to sign etc. but we still discuss is. I think it's interesting that as fans we're happy to discuss all of the above but until a manager is sacked people are reticent to talk about who should be next. Why is it any different?

I think we should. 

I will happily admit, I don't want to watch this football anymore. If I am viewed as negative, moany, etc then so be it.

I want Charlton to stay up of course, and I said I would be happy to spend the next 20 years in this league after the last shit show of a decade, but, we simply won't do it with this style of play and players. 

Big changes needed. Starts with the squad, but if we sign some proper Championship players, and we are still playing in this fashion, we need fresh ideas on the touchline and back room as well. 

Unfortunately, I don't see how it changes. I honestly think you could give Jones, Jack Rudoni, Hayden Hackney, Imrân Louza and we would still look negative and prioritise not losing if they only listened to his instructions and played without freedom.

I'm at a point where I believe he knows one way and one way only. Sheffield Wednesday was enough for me, if we can't outplay them then it's bleak. 

Not saying I want him gone, if he turns it around next season and we can start playing some football then goody gum drops, I just don't see it. 

Why are so many people of the belief that Jones can’t play any other way? Even last season with us we played good stuff from Late-December to May, we were the second highest scorers in the league and second best team in the league 

He’s shown it at Luton before too. So why is it that people think he’s incapable of producing a team that plays better football, he literally did it last season ffs! When he’s got good players for the level and a bit of time he’s shown before that he can do it so why do so many doubt it now? 

I've always had the opinion that I don't rate Jones football but if the results are good I don't care, results are drying up, the football is just as bad, so naturally people will be annoyed. 

I can honestly say I only enjoyed a few performances last season. Wycombe away, Northampton away, Huddersfield at home, Birmingham at home, maybe a few others. I unfortunately missed Orient away. 

Then of course I enjoyed results like Wycombe at home, Wembley, Bolton away. But the football was mostly poor and relying on TC or Small to make something happen. Was extremely rare we were putting on a clinic.

It's the same as this season. Enjoyed Brum away second half, Blackburn second half at home, Ipswich second half away, then after that it's real slim pickings. 

He just doesn't play exciting football, not his style. 

I don't know what your ideal yet realistic situation is then? I'm reading 'exciting football' to mean possession based, but please correct me if I'm wrong. We're not in a position to attempt to play that type of football with this squad. For us to play that way next year it would require investment in the summer that will likely result in a points deduction in a few years time.

If by 'exciting' you mean a team that takes more risks within our current style, then I agree with you but I think that is mostly a result of our current situation. This is our first year at the level and most have expressed surprise at how big the gap between the leagues is. We are in a relegation scrap and it isn't the time to go away from our identity. We have the 6 point gap and don't need to play for wins as others do.

I personally enjoyed how we played throughout most of 2025 and I am a bit surprised that you didn't, but to each their own of course. I like possession based football, but I'm just as happy to watch a team that is: defensively solid, willing to mix it up and be direct at times, aggressively pressing teams and, above all else, working hard. These were what I considered to be the core principles of the team last year. 

So if we see a slightly improved squad after the summer, then I see our realistic best case scenario to be a bit more consistency and an improvement on the football we saw during our apex of 2025 that can hopefully be sustained deeper into the season. I'd take that. 

You've said you'd be happy for us to have 20 years in this league. If that's the case you have to accept we're likely to see a lot of middling football. Unless we strike it lucky with some signings, I think we have to realise that progress may be slow. With all of that said, it has been a tough and stressful watch lately.

I want to watch players in the Championship like Lookman, Yann, JBG, Buyens, JRS, Cullen and any other decent player we have had in recent years over a lot of the shit we have had to watch. 

Regarding the bold part, this is kind of my point. We won't stay in this league even 3 years unless there is a massive shift.

You can enjoy today and worry about tomorrow. Unless we up the ante or change the staff, we can expect another season of playing scared and not to lose. Will only take you so far. 

Ok - so you’d like better players. We’d all love Charlton to have better players. How does it happen within our budget? 

Stay in the league. Try to become established. Improve the team slowly and steadily. There is no other way, we don’t have the facilities to spend tens of millions. We either get it seriously right one window, or we exercise some patience. It’s our first year in this league. If we’re playing shit football with poor results in December then I would understand the levels of frustration. 

I think the reason you haven’t enjoyed most of the last twenty years is because we’ve chopped and changed managers and players every year. We’ve been a terribly run club. We’ve finally got some shoots of life and we’ve got fans trying to get the manager sacked and questioning the board’s ambition because we are likely going to avoid relegation by playing boring football? I don’t get it.

Sword65pf

Probably a strange thing to say, as a fan base I think a lot of us have been caught out as to how much better the championship is compared to the last time, I wonder if NJ/ the club have underestimated also?, I know a bit odd if they have but the summer signings really now look like real gambles. I can definitely sympathise with the style of play issue going forward, but NJ says he knows it needs to get better, so let’s see if he does what he says he needs to do, he deserves the opportunity, if it doesn’t improve then he will probably deserve the tin tack.

crookester

Sword65pf said:

Probably a strange thing to say, as a fan base I think a lot of us have been caught out as to how much better the championship is compared to the last time, I wonder if NJ/ the club have underestimated also?, I know a bit odd if they have but the summer signings really now look like real gambles. I can definitely sympathise with the style of play issue going forward, but NJ says he knows it needs to get better, so let’s see if he does what he says he needs to do, he deserves the opportunity, if it doesn’t improve then he will probably deserve the tin tack.

I think that's the case but it's not that odd really.  After the way we started, it seemed like we had done great business but in hindsight we were punching above our weight.  A reality check has followed and, provided we do stay up, I fully expect better quality to be recruited.

SteveACS

The fact is, Braziliance is not a Charlton supporter. He proved that with his blog from the Leicester game. Hd couldn't be ar5ed to watch Charlton play. So much so, he missed the red card, Charlton's first goal, and Leicester's missed penalty. He was far more a Lricester supporter that day, than a Charlton one. From his creaming his jeans at their store, to him rather spending money in Leicester's concourse at half time, than watch the game.

But, what he doesn't address, that by buying a ticket, he's stopping a genuine supporter from going to watch the team play...