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Miles Leaburn - Signs New 3 Year Contract (p77)
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I’ve posted before that I think we’ve quite often had a gameplan that makes him appear ineffective though to be fair to Miles he’s been putting in some pretty good performances imo of late. In fact, it’s not just him. We set up to fail. In the mist of times I seem to have the impression that with Nathan we would have a pressing game. In reality our gameplan is all about defending, which in turn opens the door for opponents to constantly attack us, have lots of shots and, given the law of averages, score from at least one of those shots. We don’t play a back 4, we basically play a back 9 having to sort out telepathically who is covering who at any given moment in the game. The one bloke up front at any time when he’s not been called back to defend as well assumes the General Custer role of leading an occasional charge and hoping others can catch up and follow. Obviously that tactic didn’t work out too well at Little Big Horn and resulted in the attempt to subsequently defend the opposition attack going badly. That attacking concept hasn’t really been improved upon with our gameplan.3
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Agree with all of this, and I was considering a loan for Miles for the first half of the season next year to build up some form and confidence.Fanny Fanackapan said:
Surely the comparison between what Dykes can/is offering to the team & what Miles does, has to consider the amount of minutes each has spent on the pitch of late.SDAddick said:
Dykes may be limited, but he's often effective. I believe he's on three goals and three assists since joining us, which ain't bad in our set up.Laddick01 said:Started slow, was playing really well and showed exactly what he could offer. An absolute monster against Chelsea and gave PL Centre backs issues.Then we brought in Dykes (who I still think is a seriously limited footballer) and his game time dwindled.I do think Miles is a 10x better footballer than Dykes, but he has to show some consistency because right now you either get a 9/10 or 1/10 performance.
Fitness and injury are also vital. I think he’s one more serious injury away from killing any progression.
Miles is talented but often ineffective.
I think we have the right one playing for a relegation scrap. It's hard on Miles because he was starting to find some form just before Dykes joined, but it means he's going to need to make the best of his substitute appearances and hopefully learn from Dykes about what it takes to be a target man in this league*
*I know Miles can be more than a target man, but with his size and in a Nathan Jones team, he needs to be more effective at being a target man, and then we can discuss getting the ball into his feet and letting him play a bit.
Dykes has mainly been in the starting line up & plays the best part of games whilst Miles has been limited to bit parts.
With no alternative avenues to show what he is able to do , such as in a Reserve side, he is under huge pressure to perform from the minute he enters the pitch in order to impress. NO pressure, Miles....
Unless Dykes is injured, Miles has very little opportunity to "shine" IMHO.
Keep Dykes & send Miles out on loan to aid his development, maybe for the 1st half of next season ? Unless MBick is fully fit and A N Other "big" striker is signed , who else would replace our main striker if he gets a serious knock ?
Wonder how Miles feels about his immediate future ?
I'm not judging Miles on his form since January, but rather how he was playing just before we got Dykes in--which was quite well. But even in that stretch I don't think he was quite as effective as Dykes can be on his day. But Miles can do things with the ball at his feet that our Lyndon can only dream of.
What the striker position looks like in the summer is a big question mark for me. Mbick coming back, Miles here and looking like he has the potential to be a Championship striker, Kanu coming back (I think he goes on loan to League One which I think will end up being his level). Dykes out of contract. An option on Godden. Tanto coming back (I suspect he'll go on loan again as well). We have a lot of options, but not a lot of proven capability at this level--assuming we stay up. It's really hard to predict. But I suspect we'll be in for an experienced target striker, be that Dykes or another, and then it will be between Miles and Mbick to show who can stick and who needs to go out on loan.2 -
I'd prefer to start again in the striker department.
Thought Miles showed incredible promise when he first broke into the first team ... but the injuries are mounting up and imo have impacted on his progress.
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Clearly missed us playing a pre season game against Welling this month that means he’ll miss the beginning of this season somehow0
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Whilst our strikers may not be top championship class (yet - in some cases) they will look a lot better with a side that is more progressive on the ball and has better attacking patterns of play. So given limited budget I think we would do better to focus resources on fixing those problems. I think we need 2/3 new CMs. We need proper depth and quality at wing back too so that we can maintain width, workrate and creativity out wide even with multiple games on a week.
That will allow us to play through midfield as well as out wide making us harder to stop and therefore less need to resort to the long ball.
Fix that and our strikers will look a lot better.
I still think Leaburn, TC and Kelman will develop into Championship level players. Mbick too. Godden and Dykes on one year deals to see us through a transition and look to upgrade in a years time.10 -
C’mon mate, I’ve seen some of our players over rated before but calling him God is pushing it!!😜😂superdulvertonred said:Still like Miles has many god attributes. I certainly would persevere with him hate the thought of him full filling all his potential elsewhere9 -
Nail on head cants.cantersaddick said:Whilst our strikers may not be top championship class (yet - in some cases) they will look a lot better with a side that is more progressive on the ball and has better attacking patterns of play. So given limited budget I think we would do better to focus resources on fixing those problems. I think we need 2/3 new CMs. We need proper depth and quality at wing back too so that we can maintain width, workrate and creativity out wide even with multiple games on a week.
That will allow us to play through midfield as well as out wide making us harder to stop and therefore less need to resort to the long ball.
Fix that and our strikers will look a lot better.
I still think Leaburn, TC and Kelman will develop into Championship level players. Mbick too. Godden and Dykes on one year deals to see us through a transition and look to upgrade in a years time.2 -
Do you trust our scouting to find these midfielders and wing backs ?cantersaddick said:Whilst our strikers may not be top championship class (yet - in some cases) they will look a lot better with a side that is more progressive on the ball and has better attacking patterns of play. So given limited budget I think we would do better to focus resources on fixing those problems. I think we need 2/3 new CMs. We need proper depth and quality at wing back too so that we can maintain width, workrate and creativity out wide even with multiple games on a week.
That will allow us to play through midfield as well as out wide making us harder to stop and therefore less need to resort to the long ball.
Fix that and our strikers will look a lot better.
I still think Leaburn, TC and Kelman will develop into Championship level players. Mbick too. Godden and Dykes on one year deals to see us through a transition and look to upgrade in a years time.0 -
Sichenje a decent find (yes not a wing back but shows the value of our scouting dept). Clarke and Chambers good bits of recruitment (I would be delighted if both stayed, Edwards was fit and we got some solid RWB cover too).wmcf123 said:
Do you trust our scouting to find these midfielders and wing backs ?cantersaddick said:Whilst our strikers may not be top championship class (yet - in some cases) they will look a lot better with a side that is more progressive on the ball and has better attacking patterns of play. So given limited budget I think we would do better to focus resources on fixing those problems. I think we need 2/3 new CMs. We need proper depth and quality at wing back too so that we can maintain width, workrate and creativity out wide even with multiple games on a week.
That will allow us to play through midfield as well as out wide making us harder to stop and therefore less need to resort to the long ball.
Fix that and our strikers will look a lot better.
I still think Leaburn, TC and Kelman will develop into Championship level players. Mbick too. Godden and Dykes on one year deals to see us through a transition and look to upgrade in a years time.
The hardest to find will be a good CM - a proper playmaker. Look at Boro's midfield - obviously we aren't in a position to straight up sign a McGree or Hackney but emulating their play styles I think is the next step.
All this said - I am reminded that Oakland A's manager Billy Beane said "If we think like the Yankees in here, we will lose to the Yankees out there" - cos we don't have the financial bandwidth, unless we are lucky and seriously good at scouting.5 -
Interesting comments from NJ on Leaburn after the Swansea game.
With NJ talking about being ruthless this summer, I wonder if he may look to loan Leaburn out. Kanu and Mbick have also closed the gap and could overtake him.
He’s had a good run of form about halfway through the last two seasons but not maintained that level beyond that.
I still hope he step up to this level. He has the technical ability and physicality, he’s just not there yet in other areas consistently yet for the target man role and to be more of a goal threat.
………………………What did you make of Miles’ impact after he came on?Jones: “Well, he scored. But 20 minutes at Swansea, we won’t judge him on that. We’re not suddenly thinking ‘wow, he has solved the problem’. Every day Miles has to trust his body, be aggressive and really go after the games - be better in terms of technique and all those things.“It is a learning curve. All our young players need to do that. That is just the levels.“But they will get better. Miles had never played before in the Championship. TC (Tyreece Campbell) had never played in the Championship. Harvey Knibbs had never played in the Championship. (Charlie) Kelman had played one or two. We’ve got 10 players that had never played a Championship game, until this season. So that’s the level we have come from. We have to remember that.12 -
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The injuries have ruined his development sadly. Still think he can do well in the Championship but will he be fit for long enough to meet his potential?1
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Jones is bang on about Leaburn there. It was great to see him being a bit more aggressive and proactive. Too often he let’s games pass him by.That said, we need to play to his strengths more. He’s not a big lump of an old fashioned number 9 that you can hoof it up to for him to hold. You need to get the ball across him and for him to run onto.8
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It feels like Miles has all the attributes NJ loves in a striker it's just can he stay fit and put it all together. Hopefully he develops in the summer otherwise I do wonder if he'll be jumped by Mbick.4
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Maybe, one day, we'll actually play to his strengths, instead of just lumping the ball forward for him to battle for flick-ons.
He is so much better than that.6 -
Unless you're Matt Godden, it seems quite hard to get going as a striker under NJ. Look at Kelman – smashes it last week and then he's out of the team.4
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cantersaddick said:Whilst our strikers may not be top championship class (yet - in some cases) they will look a lot better with a side that is more progressive on the ball and has better attacking patterns of play. So given limited budget I think we would do better to focus resources on fixing those problems. I think we need 2/3 new CMs. We need proper depth and quality at wing back too so that we can maintain width, workrate and creativity out wide even with multiple games on a week.
That will allow us to play through midfield as well as out wide making us harder to stop and therefore less need to resort to the long ball.
Fix that and our strikers will look a lot better.
I still think Leaburn, TC and Kelman will develop into Championship level players. Mbick too. Godden and Dykes on one year deals to see us through a transition and look to upgrade in a years time.
There are times I get so frustrated with CL or comments at matches and then a post turns up which endorses my feelings especially with Kelman and Leaburn. Miles is better getting the ball to his feet in the build up and Charlie is better seeing the ball on the ground in the channels where he can outpace many of the CB's or receive the ball to his feet as he has come short. Obviously being 6ft 6in there will be high balls to Leaburn and for those of you that said he can't head the ball his finish was excellent at Swansea. I'm more concerned with the passes forward in transition which were a scattergun approach this season.
One or two new quality midfielders is a Shay Given in the window but the budget and finding a new market whether Japanese, African or Scandinavian may need to be pursued and it's still risky business.
My mantra has always been about partnerships, relationships and link up play whether at grassroots where I operated or in the semi or Pro game.
I would add Kanu to Mbick, TC and Leaburn who all have a chance of being Championship quality players but the way we played the ball forward in 25/26 makes any forwards job difficult.
Seeing Miles against Chelsea and his cameo on Saturday, his has talent but both his own mentality and the quality of the passes need to improve.
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He won’t admit it but that was testing out for next season I think. He’d seen the box midfield could work with a little nippy striker stretching the play and he wanted to see if it worked with long balls and knock downs. It didn’tChunes said:Unless you're Matt Godden, it seems quite hard to get going as a striker under NJ. Look at Kelman – smashes it last week and then he's out of the team.5 -
Massive season for Miles. Injuries have decimated his progress and at this point I don’t think he’s the answer to our striking options for next season. Being third or maybe even fourth choice won’t help his progress. I’d definitely want to retain him because of the undoubted early promise but next season I’d like to see him out on loan in league one playing a lot of games and of course injury free. Would build up his confidence and he definitely needs games under his belt. He’s still got the potential to be a big player for us but this coming season will define that I think, one way or another.5
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I thought leaburn was excellent for 7 or 8 game run mid-season. I think he will continue to pick up injuries but I am also convinced he could be a very good championship striker with a system, coaching and team around him that works.
It would be madness to write him off and sell him off on the basis that he hasn't really performed under Jones and the style of football we have been playing.5 -
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I think if we have ambition to progress , the likes of Leaburn probably have to be moved on or at the very least loaned out so we can bring some quality in .1
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See the point but if (and its a big if) Godden can be fit for more than 50% of the season and we replace Dykes with another senior striker then Leaburn, Kelman and TC can rotate in those roles up top and hopefully learn with less pressureBedsaddick said:I think if we have ambition to progress , the likes of Leaburn probably have to be moved on or at the very least loaned out so we can bring some quality in .2 -
I’ve said it before but you’ve got much more chance of turning Leaburn into a championship striker than you do us buying a championship striker with his physical attributes on our budget. The latter will be very difficultBedsaddick said:I think if we have ambition to progress , the likes of Leaburn probably have to be moved on or at the very least loaned out so we can bring some quality in .
Maybe he does need a loan, but I’m not sure and I think he will be in our first team squad still next season personally. A loan might be good for his confidence, but I’m not sure about development, I think he’d bully league 1 defences now and needs to carry on learning against championship defenders that are physically a level above instead15 -
It was interesting to hear on either Cawley’s podcast or CharltonLive (can’t remember which) that Vipotnik at Swansea as the leagues top scorer only scored 7 last season.
It’s a good example of how players can develop at this level.
Sorba Thomas has been mentioned on here recently and is another - he only scored 3 in his first Championship season in 21/22. He’s now being linked with a £20m+ move to PL Coventry.13 -
I think and hope that we will see a lot more from Miles next season he has all the attributes to be an excellent championship striker. Have said on here before I can see him and Kelman forming an exciting and successful partnership4
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Not aimed particularly at your comment but I think people are in danger of over hyping Mbick. He had a decent loan in League Two. League Two. We are in the Championship, it’s a massive leap. Kelman scored 20+ in League One last season and some fans think he hasn’t made the step up sufficiently. Now Nathan Jones is saying we won’t be shopping in League One this summer. And yet a young kid with 20 games in League Two might suddenly be the answer. In my opinion he’d be better served with another loan, League One if possible, and see how he handles that.MarcusH26 said:It feels like Miles has all the attributes NJ loves in a striker it's just can he stay fit and put it all together. Hopefully he develops in the summer otherwise I do wonder if he'll be jumped by Mbick.12 -
I think it’s very likely Mbick is in our squad next season. Otherwise I’m sure he’d have been pushing a lot more to move to Brighton, and may do so this summer if we don’t plan on using him in our squad. If we’re just going to loan him out to league 1, then he can do that from Brighton for probably 10x the money. I’d assume we’ve told Mbick he will be in our squad next season as otherwise he will want out and rightly soLargeAddick said:
Not aimed particularly at your comment but I think people are in danger of over hyping Mbick. He had a decent loan in League Two. League Two. We are in the Championship, it’s a massive leap. Kelman scored 20+ in League One last season and some fans think he hasn’t made the step up sufficiently. Now Nathan Jones is saying we won’t be shopping in League One this summer. And yet a young kid with 20 games in League Two might suddenly be the answer. In my opinion he’d be better served with another loan, League One if possible, and see how he handles that.MarcusH26 said:It feels like Miles has all the attributes NJ loves in a striker it's just can he stay fit and put it all together. Hopefully he develops in the summer otherwise I do wonder if he'll be jumped by Mbick.
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I think he’ll be a bench player for us next season getting minutes here and there. He certainly isn’t the answer to our problems but the key to keeping talent like that is making them feel valuedLargeAddick said:
Not aimed particularly at your comment but I think people are in danger of over hyping Mbick. He had a decent loan in League Two. League Two. We are in the Championship, it’s a massive leap. Kelman scored 20+ in League One last season and some fans think he hasn’t made the step up sufficiently. Now Nathan Jones is saying we won’t be shopping in League One this summer. And yet a young kid with 20 games in League Two might suddenly be the answer. In my opinion he’d be better served with another loan, League One if possible, and see how he handles that.MarcusH26 said:It feels like Miles has all the attributes NJ loves in a striker it's just can he stay fit and put it all together. Hopefully he develops in the summer otherwise I do wonder if he'll be jumped by Mbick.1 -
Well a lot of this depends on how and when he recovers from his injury. If he’s not fit until September then a loan can be ruled out anyway. Similarly I can’t see a move to Brighton happening if he’s not fit.NabySarr said:
I think it’s very likely Mbick is in our squad next season. Otherwise I’m sure he’d have been pushing a lot more to move to Brighton, and may do so this summer if we don’t plan on using him in our squad. If we’re just going to loan him out to league 1, then he can do that from Brighton for probably 10x the money. I’d assume we’ve told Mbick he will be in our squad next season as otherwise he will want out and rightly soLargeAddick said:
Not aimed particularly at your comment but I think people are in danger of over hyping Mbick. He had a decent loan in League Two. League Two. We are in the Championship, it’s a massive leap. Kelman scored 20+ in League One last season and some fans think he hasn’t made the step up sufficiently. Now Nathan Jones is saying we won’t be shopping in League One this summer. And yet a young kid with 20 games in League Two might suddenly be the answer. In my opinion he’d be better served with another loan, League One if possible, and see how he handles that.MarcusH26 said:It feels like Miles has all the attributes NJ loves in a striker it's just can he stay fit and put it all together. Hopefully he develops in the summer otherwise I do wonder if he'll be jumped by Mbick.2 -
how is his injury? didn't he have a bad one? any news on that and his recovery?NabySarr said:
I think it’s very likely Mbick is in our squad next season. Otherwise I’m sure he’d have been pushing a lot more to move to Brighton, and may do so this summer if we don’t plan on using him in our squad. If we’re just going to loan him out to league 1, then he can do that from Brighton for probably 10x the money. I’d assume we’ve told Mbick he will be in our squad next season as otherwise he will want out and rightly soLargeAddick said:
Not aimed particularly at your comment but I think people are in danger of over hyping Mbick. He had a decent loan in League Two. League Two. We are in the Championship, it’s a massive leap. Kelman scored 20+ in League One last season and some fans think he hasn’t made the step up sufficiently. Now Nathan Jones is saying we won’t be shopping in League One this summer. And yet a young kid with 20 games in League Two might suddenly be the answer. In my opinion he’d be better served with another loan, League One if possible, and see how he handles that.MarcusH26 said:It feels like Miles has all the attributes NJ loves in a striker it's just can he stay fit and put it all together. Hopefully he develops in the summer otherwise I do wonder if he'll be jumped by Mbick.0
