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Jayden Fevrier Signs On Loan from Stockport County

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  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 99,880
    Crispywood said:
    Only issue with a Tanto swap deal is according to Stockport fans he’s been dreadful and they don’t actually want him back permanently. 

    And if we offered a swap we’re either saying Fevrier is a 1.5M player which I can’t see happening or admitting we think our value of Tanto has dropped massively and also doesn’t provide us with funds if there is someone Jones wants instead of Fevrier 
    Maybe see if we can get Ethan Pye as well, as hes a Left Centre-Back rated on here a bit. Bit of a Championship Manager type transfer, but we give them Olaofe, we get Fevrier / Pye, plus we offer an extra £500k / £1m for the extra that they'd probably demand for Pye
  • CaptainRobbo
    CaptainRobbo Posts: 1,935
    edited April 27
    fenaddick said:
    Loved this bit where he just dealt with 5 Hull
    players at the same time

    https://x.com/rhysmcc44/status/2048798512268095588?s=46&t=MojDVxh_AjG5taAWPQn6Tw
    Outstanding close control with both feet and then passes to a teammate in the space that he created.
    Not sure anyone else in our squad could manage that.
    Deserves a start against Swansea to show what he can do again.
  • Bod
    Bod Posts: 269
    I have always thought Fev's looked a solid player whenever he's started. I'm sure he'd jump at the chance to come here, London born, higher division etc.
  • CAFCsayer
    CAFCsayer Posts: 10,592
    fenaddick said:
    Loved this bit where he just dealt with 5 Hull
    players at the same time

    https://x.com/rhysmcc44/status/2048798512268095588?s=46&t=MojDVxh_AjG5taAWPQn6Tw
    That is ridiculous, didn't clock how good it was in real time 
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 48,155
    If Stockport don't want a swap deal, nobody is going to pay us 1.5M for Tanto. I was sitting directly behind Fevriers family and his agent was there too. He seemed quite happy!
  • BalladMan
    BalladMan Posts: 1,406
    fenaddick said:
    Loved this bit where he just dealt with 5 Hull
    players at the same time

    https://x.com/rhysmcc44/status/2048798512268095588?s=46&t=MojDVxh_AjG5taAWPQn6Tw
    Nearly as good on video as it was live.   One of he highlights of the afternoon. 
  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 17,166
    I thought he beat four but now see / realise it was five. Remember TC last season beating three Huddersfield then the fourth fouled him. Both right up there as brilliant moments to witness. 
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,634
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    Hopefully we can include Tanto in any deal.
    & Ahedme. Would be a great double signing for Stockport  ;)
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 18,354
    edited April 28
    Fevrier is only 5 months older than TC. Seems to have a lot more confidence and composure. 

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  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 19,160
    He's been good, I'm just not sure he's at the level we need on the journey
  • _uptheaddicks
    _uptheaddicks Posts: 345
    Rothko said:
    He's been good, I'm just not sure he's at the level we need on the journey
    I'd say we need attacking options from the bench who can also start, especially one who can play both wing backs. 

    He's scored and created IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP for us. 
  • SteveACS
    SteveACS Posts: 495
    edited April 28
    fenaddick said:
    Loved this bit where he just dealt with 5 Hull
    players at the same time

    https://x.com/rhysmcc44/status/2048798512268095588?s=46&t=MojDVxh_AjG5taAWPQn6Tw
    Not the raw pace of Small, but less of a one trick pony! Ball control and strength!

    And didn't stand to watch...still kept running...
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 48,155
    _uptheaddicks said:
    Rothko said:
    He's been good, I'm just not sure he's at the level we need on the journey
    I'd say we need attacking options from the bench who can also start, especially one who can play both wing backs. 

    He's scored and created IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP for us. 
    If a lot of fans had their way, we wouldn't have a bench. 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 18,436
    Really good piece on Cawley's Substack with Bolton and Stockport reporters about Apter and Tanto's loan. This bit about Fevrier at the end is of interest too

    We are seeing Fevrier looking to be in good form and scoring goals, including the one on Saturday to keep Charlton in the Championship. His reputation has probably increased from leaving the football club.

    I think they would be ready to explore letting Fevrier go, because as well as he seems to be doing, I think there is a feeling from this end that is the kind of player he is. Fevrier will have really bright spells but then spells of frustration. In that respect, he and Tanto are very similar.


    http://www.southlondonsportcharltonathleticedition.com/p/he-looks-bereft-of-confidence-we
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 37,195
    Crispywood said:
    Only issue with a Tanto swap deal is according to Stockport fans he’s been dreadful and they don’t actually want him back permanently. 

    And if we offered a swap we’re either saying Fevrier is a 1.5M player which I can’t see happening or admitting we think our value of Tanto has dropped massively and also doesn’t provide us with funds if there is someone Jones wants instead of Fevrier 
    Tanto was an unused sub for Stockport last night.

    What makes it even worse was that they needed a goal (they lost 2-1) and they brought on a 20 year old striker who was making his first appearance for 3 months after an injury.
  • arthur
    arthur Posts: 267
    he's played for us like he's been given a golden opportunity to impress and play at a higher level. He's given everything, grabbed it with both hands and he clearly can make an impression at this level. As with so many players, there will be club and a time where it clicks with them better that it will do elsewhere for no other obvious reason. Maybe that could be with us. I'd be happy for us to sign him and see how he goes next season. 
  • BalladMan
    BalladMan Posts: 1,406
    edited April 29
    arthur said:
    he's played for us like he's been given a golden opportunity to impress and play at a higher level. He's given everything, grabbed it with both hands and he clearly can make an impression at this level. As with so many players, there will be club and a time where it clicks with them better that it will do elsewhere for no other obvious reason. Maybe that could be with us. I'd be happy for us to sign him and see how he goes next season. 
    Very similar to Thierry Small in that regard who was floting around various clubs prior to us. In some ways, he is back doing that for Preston also from the subs bench.  For the right team and situation, it sometimes just works.  
  • Bostonaddick
    Bostonaddick Posts: 986
    He has done ok but we should be looking for better for starters.  If we want him as a reserve I would be fine with that given some of his atttibutes/versatility.  While I would prefer transfer spend to be focused on starters, given we currently have no healthy wingbacks,  we are also going need some depth at that position
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 19,160
    _uptheaddicks said:
    Rothko said:
    He's been good, I'm just not sure he's at the level we need on the journey
    I'd say we need attacking options from the bench who can also start, especially one who can play both wing backs. 

    He's scored and created IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP for us. 
    It's recency bias, roll back three months, and most people wanted to sign Clarke, now it's one some would be disappointed in. 

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  • _uptheaddicks
    _uptheaddicks Posts: 345
    Rothko said:
    _uptheaddicks said:
    Rothko said:
    He's been good, I'm just not sure he's at the level we need on the journey
    I'd say we need attacking options from the bench who can also start, especially one who can play both wing backs. 

    He's scored and created IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP for us. 
    It's recency bias, roll back three months, and most people wanted to sign Clarke, now it's one some would be disappointed in. 
    Your assertion regarding recency bias becomes unclear with the introduction of Clarke into the discussion, leading us into the realm of the motte and bailey fallacy.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 48,155
    I'd like us to sign both Clarke and Fevrier.
  • paulsturgess
    paulsturgess Posts: 4,294
    I don’t think this guy is going to be a long term superstar. However, I assume he is cheap and his salary is low and he’s young, probably worth a gamble / squad option unless we’re gonna really up the ante with our recruitment in the summer 
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,578
    edited April 29
    Signing a player like Fevrier makes sense. Doesn't necessarily have to be him as there may be better options available, but also sometimes it's "better the Devil you know" and he's shown enough signs of there being a player in there that may make him worth the punt that he can be coached into a more consistent performer.

    Either way, we've been too reliant on TC for any pace/ability to beat a man/attacking width. It's fair to say TC has been hot a cold and still has a lot of his own developing to do so we need competition for him and also players in the squad that allow us to switch it up and play with attacking width on both sides. Fevrier offers that and has the bonus of being able to play as an attack minded wing back too.

    I think we need perhaps 4 "wide" players this summer. One in the Fevrier mold who can play both sides and is attack focused but can cover wing back in a pinch. Then we need three more orthodox wing backs - two on the right and one on the left (assuming Edwards comes back from injury at something like his best).

    It's a key position in Jones' preferred systems and they have to do an enormous amount of running. For those reasons, we can expect injuries/tiredness, at times, so we need good options to rest/cover players but also an ability to switch between more defensively sound and more attacking options.

    I think getting the wing backs right is almost as important as addressing the midfield.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 48,155
    edited April 29
    And of course Fevrier could really step up. At worst he is a decent squad player which we do need to think about that as we don't have the money to bring in loads of sure fire proven players.
  • CarltonAthleticDance
    CarltonAthleticDance Posts: 198
    He's got talent; just looks too bulky. His  running technique doesn’t do him any favours but if he dropped a bit of weight and had a proper sprint coach over the off season, I think he’d be substantially better. 
  • southamptonaddick
    southamptonaddick Posts: 4,175
    CarltonAthleticDance said:
    He's got talent; just looks too bulky. His  running technique doesn’t do him any favours but if he dropped a bit of weight and had a proper sprint coach over the off season, I think he’d be substantially better. 
    Yeah your right he could hardly move as he sprinted the length of the pitch in the 93rd minute.🙄
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,815
    Exiled_Addick said:
    Signing a player like Fevrier makes sense. Doesn't necessarily have to be him as there may be better options available, but also sometimes it's "better the Devil you know" and he's shown enough signs of there being a player in there that may make him worth the punt that he can be coached into a more consistent performer.

    Either way, we've been too reliant on TC for any pace/ability to beat a man/attacking width. It's fair to say TC has been hot a cold and still has a lot of his own developing to do so we need competition for him and also players in the squad that allow us to switch it up and play with attacking width on both sides. Fevrier offers that and has the bonus of being able to play as an attack minded wing back too.

    I think we need perhaps 4 "wide" players this summer. One in the Fevrier mold who can play both sides and is attack focused but can cover wing back in a pinch. Then we need three more orthodox wing backs - two on the right and one on the left (assuming Edwards comes back from injury at something like his best).

    It's a key position in Jones' preferred systems and they have to do an enormous amount of running. For those reasons, we can expect injuries/tiredness, at times, so we need good options to rest/cover players but also an ability to switch between more defensively sound and more attacking options.

    I think getting the wing backs right is almost as important as addressing the midfield.
    This is where I am too. I'm not quite ready to say we should try to sign him. HOWEVER, he fulfills a very important role in the squad--left footer who can play both RWB and LWB, has pace, and can run at players. It's a specific type of player that doesn't exactly grow on trees. So if a better version of his type of player is available, I really hope we go in for him and try very hard to bring him in. If not, then I think trying to sign Fevs, albeit as a squad player, well, we could do worse.

    I do think there's some recency bias. And also, I think he's shown this week that he can mix it up against an automatic promotion-chasing side and a playoff-chasing side, which is no mean feat. He can also operate comfortably as a RM/RW, which is an added bonus if we need to change shape late in games.

    He lacks some of the raw physical and technical attributes of Thierry Small, but as I've said all along, he's Thierry Small lite, and we've missed that in our squad in the first half of the year. I still think we need two more RWBs, but if we bring in Fevs in the summer, he could be the second choice LWB and provide cover at RWB and RW.

    He turned out to be what we signed Apter for--which is a shame as Apter did look tidy early doors. But I would much rather have Fevs in the left footed RWB role than Apter right now. I think Fevs is quicker and stronger defensively. 
  • 2121
    2121 Posts: 1,542
    We should sign him. Get rid of tanto. End. 

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