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It’s too f***ing hot
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Blimey !cantersaddick said:Air con in the office is Actually a little chilly. Looking forward to poping out of lunch to warm up!
You work in the Vatican ????
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So much information out there about climate change - it's quite hard to remain ignorant.
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I don't think 1976 was actually hot. It was just dry. No rain for about 3 months. That's why it was memorable. Just days & days & days of warm weather (prob mid to high 20's) with no rain or thunderstorms to break it up.4
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There was a bloke on the radio on Monday and he called in and said about people need to get a grip. Those working outdoors or in kitchens or offices with no air con should just put up with it and not ask for time off when it gets to warm. His reasoning for this was because back in 1944 the last hottest may day we had we didn't ask Hitler if we could have the day off as it was too hot.7
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Hot weather is fantastic when you're in a country designed for it. In England, it's fecking brutal.
I've been in Puglia when it's 40c and the locals don't even come outdoors until 10pm, and then they're filling up the restaurants, shopping and drinking. Can't see us adopting that lifestyle anytime soon.4 -
We are in Bolgna and are having similar temperatures to the UK but fortunately our rented Villa has a pool.0
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The problem with a lot of the anti climate change rhetoric is that people always relate it back to personal experiences. It genuinely baffles me.cantersaddick said:
Few points about 76 and why it's different from what we've seen the last few summers.TD_Addick said:Oh dear getting labelled stupid for having an opinion. Was the hottest summer in the last 100 years (1976) was that global warming? Also answer the question why wasn’t global warming brought up last week when it was 12 degrees? Or do you just enjoy watching BBC news and them showing a bit of ice breaking off a glacier scare you?
- it was long and very dry but for most of the summer it was mid-low 20s. Days exceeding 30 were actually relatively few by recent standards.
- it covered a large chunk of the UK but not the whole of it. What we see now (and in 2025 and 2023) are events stretching across continental boundaries.
- it was a once in a 100 year event which is now being exceeded multiple times a summer. And across whole summers on average every 2 years.
That's literally the definition of climate change. Increased frequency of extremes. The reason no one is talking about the 12 degrees last week is because for the time of year that is within the usual margin for error. 35°+ over multiple days is not.
Hope that helps.6 -
This is the post-truth era where certain people have built their identity around disbelieving facts. You can't convince someone whose identity depends on not being convinced.6
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Steven81 said:ME14addick said:
You've started the Climate Change denial bingo card. 1976 is a very popular reason that deniers use. They forget that it was a one off, that's why it's memorable. Breaking temperature records is happening a lot more. 97% of the world's climate scientists agree that global warming due to the actions of man, is responsible for climate change. I prefer to believe those scientists.TD_Addick said:Oh dear getting labelled stupid for having an opinion. Was the hottest summer in the last 100 years (1976) was that global warming? Also answer the question why wasn’t global warming brought up last week when it was 12 degrees? Or do you just enjoy watching BBC news and them showing a bit of ice breaking off a glacier scare you?
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I was in Delhi a couple of years back, you can taste the pollution there its so bad. The day we left there the app on my phone said the air quality index was at 400!! for Delhi while the same early spring day for London was 1. It was unbelievably bad there, there was smog at midday where you could only see a few hundred yards and the sun was a haze. Added to this it was 35C. Obviously the city and the back drop of the Himalayas is to blame for the pollution that kills many, London has cleaned up the air quality over the decades but some days there is still bad air quality. Just looked on the app its at 3 in London while Delhi is 42C and 149.usetobunkin said:I Remember days back in 60s when we had "double" summer time and was still light at 10.30pm.
The days also seemed warm and sunny with out the oppressive humidity we experience now.
I can look out from my bedroom window and see the blanket of pollution that hangs over London most summer evening.
Just look at Delhi to see how temp and pollution can render a city almost un-liveable.2 -
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Unless you are a questionably-funded social media chatbot. Then you can present them with whatever 'alternative' facts you like.Chunes said:This is the post-truth era where certain people have built their identity around disbelieving facts. You can't convince someone whose identity depends on not being convinced.2 -
Karim_myBagheri said:There was a bloke on the radio on Monday and he called in and said about people need to get a grip. Those working outdoors or in kitchens or offices with no air con should just put up with it and not ask for time off when it gets to warm. His reasoning for this was because back in 1944 the last hottest may day we had we didn't ask Hitler if we could have the day off as it was too hot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGjQqEG-FdQ 1 -
Fake news and conspiracy theories have existed since the beginning of time - what's changed is the technology available to spread misinformation.Chunes said:This is the post-truth era where certain people have built their identity around disbelieving facts. You can't convince someone whose identity depends on not being convinced.
As you say some people are proud of their ignorance...
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Let me guess: everyone is still wearing long trousers, socks and shoes to work.AFKABartram said:Train home at rush hour was standing room only, no air con, sits outside Hither Green for ages.
Gotta love South Eastern.
Adaptation is all you need. I was arguing this when I worked in the UK in the late 90s.0 -
JiMMy 85 said:Every year I buy another air con unit, just knowing there's at least one cool room to move into really helps psychologically!
If you sleep and live in an artificially cooled environment, not to mention work eight, nine hours a day in an office, your body never gets to acclimatize. Those few minutes you spend outside, panting from frigid office to frigid home or vice versa, are going to feel awful. Air conditioning isn’t the solution – it’s the problem.1 -
cabbles said:
The problem with a lot of the anti climate change rhetoric is that people always relate it back to personal experiences. It genuinely baffles me.cantersaddick said:
Few points about 76 and why it's different from what we've seen the last few summers.TD_Addick said:Oh dear getting labelled stupid for having an opinion. Was the hottest summer in the last 100 years (1976) was that global warming? Also answer the question why wasn’t global warming brought up last week when it was 12 degrees? Or do you just enjoy watching BBC news and them showing a bit of ice breaking off a glacier scare you?
- it was long and very dry but for most of the summer it was mid-low 20s. Days exceeding 30 were actually relatively few by recent standards.
- it covered a large chunk of the UK but not the whole of it. What we see now (and in 2025 and 2023) are events stretching across continental boundaries.
- it was a once in a 100 year event which is now being exceeded multiple times a summer. And across whole summers on average every 2 years.
That's literally the definition of climate change. Increased frequency of extremes. The reason no one is talking about the 12 degrees last week is because for the time of year that is within the usual margin for error. 35°+ over multiple days is not.
Hope that helps.It's hard to argue with the below graph, but some people still agree with Trump - drill, baby, drill.
It's also hard to argue that it's just cyclical change and nothing to do with burning fossil fuels to fire up industrialisation, but people still argue that we don't need all this renewable, woke energy nonsense.Why We Know It's Not Just a Natural Cycle- The Speed of Change: Natural climate cycles (like ice ages and warm periods) usually take tens of thousands of years to unfold. The rapid global temperature spikes recorded over the last century are unprecedented.
- The Greenhouse Effect: Geological records show that natural climate cycles are aligned with natural greenhouse gas changes. However, human activities—like burning fossil fuels and deforestation—have pushed atmospheric carbon dioxide levels to heights not seen in millions of years.
- Scientific Consensus: According to NASA Science, the influence of human activity on the warming of the climate system is an established fact, supported by major scientific institutions worldwide.
The $64,000 question though is are we too late to reverse it back to normal cyclical patterns?Wibble!
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They're proud because they believe they're smarter than the experts. Really dangerous politically.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Fake news and conspiracy theories have existed since the beginning of time - what's changed is the technology available to spread misinformation.Chunes said:This is the post-truth era where certain people have built their identity around disbelieving facts. You can't convince someone whose identity depends on not being convinced.
As you say some people are proud of their ignorance...0 -
golfaddick said:I don't think 1976 was actually hot. It was just dry. No rain for about 3 months. That's why it was memorable. Just days & days & days of warm weather (prob mid to high 20's) with no rain or thunderstorms to break it up.
Depends on your definition of hot...Perhaps not the spikes of heat we are getting now, even in spring, but it was certainly hot over an extended period.
From Wiki:-
Heathrow had 16 consecutive days over 30 °C (86 °F) from 23 June to 8 July[5] and for 15 consecutive days from 23 June to 7 July temperatures reached 32.2 °C (90 °F) somewhere in England. Furthermore, five days saw temperatures exceed 35 °C (95 °F). On 28 June, temperatures reached 35.6 °C (96.1 °F) in Southampton, the highest June temperature recorded in the UK. The hottest day of all was 3 July, with temperatures reaching 35.9 °C (96.6 °F) in Cheltenham.[6]
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The speed of change can be put simply (although not simply enough for a climate change denier) by comparing with the normal state - the planet's temperature, calculated over 100 years, has never changed by more than 0.5C over the last 10,000 years ..... until now.1
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Sounds about right, from what I can remember the day it rained for the first time in three months, the whole street was outside almost dancing in the rain, getting soaked, including myself...🌞SporadicAddick said:golfaddick said:I don't think 1976 was actually hot. It was just dry. No rain for about 3 months. That's why it was memorable. Just days & days & days of warm weather (prob mid to high 20's) with no rain or thunderstorms to break it up.Depends on your definition of hot...Perhaps not the spikes of heat we are getting now, even in spring, but it was certainly hot over an extended period.
From Wiki:-
Heathrow had 16 consecutive days over 30 °C (86 °F) from 23 June to 8 July[5] and for 15 consecutive days from 23 June to 7 July temperatures reached 32.2 °C (90 °F) somewhere in England. Furthermore, five days saw temperatures exceed 35 °C (95 °F). On 28 June, temperatures reached 35.6 °C (96.1 °F) in Southampton, the highest June temperature recorded in the UK. The hottest day of all was 3 July, with temperatures reaching 35.9 °C (96.6 °F) in Cheltenham.[6]
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It's a much cooler 26C in London today. I think most people will be experiencing a huge amount of relief that it is significantly cooler today than it has been over the last few days.
So a comparison with 1976 is timely and interesting. Because today's temperature is 2C higher than any day in May 1976.4 -
The thing I remember about ‘76 was we lost more games of cricket through rain than any other year (wet April / May) and the graze I had on my hip / arm, oh and I scored my first every 50 and it was not out, bloody hell it was coincidentally 50 years ago.
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My main memory of 1976 was scooping up hundreds of ladybirds in a plastic container. To my knowledge, that's something that's not been possible since. For most though, I guess the temperature would be the main thing. How consistently hot it was I don't know, but just looking at the highest daily temperature data I think that probably the main thing that made it so memorable was that it was so unusual, in fact it would never have been seen before in many people's lifetimes. That temperature, 35.9°C had only ever been reached twice before in the UK (1911 and 1934). That same temperature has now been reached in seven of the last thirty years. Sadly and worryingly, it is no longer unusual.2
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End of the day take a look at weather changes over the last 1000 years there are many especially in the 1700s and 1800s with spikes in temperatures. I’m a genuine believer in everyone is entitled to their opinion and if people want to believe in global warming then go for it. But it just gets very tiresome that just because we have a nice bank holiday people are waffling on about climate change but when the weather is cooler they go silent.fenaddick said:
Why have you decided to respond to a really polite post disagreeing with you by being hugely sarcastic and rude? Is it because there's no science to back up your opinion?TD_Addick said:@cantersaddick I feel so stupid now you’ve put it like that, you’ve completely changed my mind buddy. Eveytime it goes above 28 I will take my frustrations out on the cows farts which apparently are now contributing to this terrible climate change which is destroying our his planet. I will now eat vegan burgers and walk to my holiday destinations instead of polluting the atmosphere. Thanks buddy you were right I’m stupid.Believe whatever you want that’s your right as human with free will, but I choose to enjoy life and not let mainstream media scare me.3 -
That seems at odds with your rude reply to @cantersaddickTD_Addick said:
End of the day take a look at weather changes over the last 1000 years there are many especially in the 1700s and 1800s with spikes in temperatures. I’m a genuine believer in everyone is entitled to their opinion and if people want to believe in global warming then go for it. But it just gets very tiresome that just because we have a nice bank holiday people are waffling on about climate change but when the weather is cooler they go silent.fenaddick said:
Why have you decided to respond to a really polite post disagreeing with you by being hugely sarcastic and rude? Is it because there's no science to back up your opinion?TD_Addick said:@cantersaddick I feel so stupid now you’ve put it like that, you’ve completely changed my mind buddy. Eveytime it goes above 28 I will take my frustrations out on the cows farts which apparently are now contributing to this terrible climate change which is destroying our his planet. I will now eat vegan burgers and walk to my holiday destinations instead of polluting the atmosphere. Thanks buddy you were right I’m stupid.Believe whatever you want that’s your right as human with free will, but I choose to enjoy life and not let mainstream media scare me.2 -
Sounds horrendous.Radostanradical said:Currently sat by pool in Oman and 43 degrees, in Dubai whwre I live its 47 degrees0 -
Rude? What about the people who said I was stupid and one comment said I was thick as a turd on Boxing Day. Is that rude? What’s your take on that?fenaddick said:
That seems at odds with your rude reply to @cantersaddickTD_Addick said:
End of the day take a look at weather changes over the last 1000 years there are many especially in the 1700s and 1800s with spikes in temperatures. I’m a genuine believer in everyone is entitled to their opinion and if people want to believe in global warming then go for it. But it just gets very tiresome that just because we have a nice bank holiday people are waffling on about climate change but when the weather is cooler they go silent.fenaddick said:
Why have you decided to respond to a really polite post disagreeing with you by being hugely sarcastic and rude? Is it because there's no science to back up your opinion?TD_Addick said:@cantersaddick I feel so stupid now you’ve put it like that, you’ve completely changed my mind buddy. Eveytime it goes above 28 I will take my frustrations out on the cows farts which apparently are now contributing to this terrible climate change which is destroying our his planet. I will now eat vegan burgers and walk to my holiday destinations instead of polluting the atmosphere. Thanks buddy you were right I’m stupid.Believe whatever you want that’s your right as human with free will, but I choose to enjoy life and not let mainstream media scare me.3 -
One off spikes on a day or two 200 years ago is completely different to the steady incremental increase in the average global temperature, which is increasing at an exponential rate right now.TD_Addick said:
End of the day take a look at weather changes over the last 1000 years there are many especially in the 1700s and 1800s with spikes in temperatures. I’m a genuine believer in everyone is entitled to their opinion and if people want to believe in global warming then go for it. But it just gets very tiresome that just because we have a nice bank holiday people are waffling on about climate change but when the weather is cooler they go silent.fenaddick said:
Why have you decided to respond to a really polite post disagreeing with you by being hugely sarcastic and rude? Is it because there's no science to back up your opinion?TD_Addick said:@cantersaddick I feel so stupid now you’ve put it like that, you’ve completely changed my mind buddy. Eveytime it goes above 28 I will take my frustrations out on the cows farts which apparently are now contributing to this terrible climate change which is destroying our his planet. I will now eat vegan burgers and walk to my holiday destinations instead of polluting the atmosphere. Thanks buddy you were right I’m stupid.Believe whatever you want that’s your right as human with free will, but I choose to enjoy life and not let mainstream media scare me.
Again, you ignore the wider story and facts to push a flawed and outdated belief.
Sure, you can claim that global warming isn't real, you can also claim the moon is made of cheese, the Earth is flat and cat shit tastes like chocolate, it doesn't make any of it true though4 -
Correct, those are also rude. But I specifically asked you because Canters was incredibly polite to you, answering a question you asked directly and you reacted the way you did. Not sure about you but when someone answers a question I ask, I acknowledge their answer in a polite manner regardless of my thoughts on the answerTD_Addick said:
Rude? What about the people who said I was stupid and one comment said I was thick as a turd on Boxing Day. Is that rude? What’s your take on that?fenaddick said:
That seems at odds with your rude reply to @cantersaddickTD_Addick said:
End of the day take a look at weather changes over the last 1000 years there are many especially in the 1700s and 1800s with spikes in temperatures. I’m a genuine believer in everyone is entitled to their opinion and if people want to believe in global warming then go for it. But it just gets very tiresome that just because we have a nice bank holiday people are waffling on about climate change but when the weather is cooler they go silent.fenaddick said:
Why have you decided to respond to a really polite post disagreeing with you by being hugely sarcastic and rude? Is it because there's no science to back up your opinion?TD_Addick said:@cantersaddick I feel so stupid now you’ve put it like that, you’ve completely changed my mind buddy. Eveytime it goes above 28 I will take my frustrations out on the cows farts which apparently are now contributing to this terrible climate change which is destroying our his planet. I will now eat vegan burgers and walk to my holiday destinations instead of polluting the atmosphere. Thanks buddy you were right I’m stupid.Believe whatever you want that’s your right as human with free will, but I choose to enjoy life and not let mainstream media scare me.1
