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Curious how you receive your information? Please enlighten us.TD_Addick said:I go by my own experience of things and also doing my research I choose not to believe someone standing in front of the TV with a posh voice pointing to a graph it takes more than that for me. So please stop sharing the graph it isn’t working.In my life on this planet I feel the weather has been the same, some hot days some cold days and rainy days. I then took time to look at how many climate and weather surges cold and hot have happened over the centuries and it’s happened a lot.Again if you want to believe Mr Scientist standing in front of your TV pointing to his graph then please feel free to continue that way of receiving information that’s your choice but I choose differently, this will be the final thing I post on the topic because clearly some of you can’t accept people are different and enjoy throwing words around like “stupid” and “ignorant” so best to walk away.To the original post yes it is f**king hot 😂 enjoy the weather everyone.
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Mr. Scientist actually made the TV. I might build one from scratch by doing my own research.8
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Plenty of them about up town at the minute. Waaheeeyy.Chunes said:And while we're at it, birds aren't real either.0 -
From what I’ve read El Niño, a natural phenomenon, has contributed/ caused this heatwave.0
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Oh Golfie don’t ever go against the graph buddy a scientist made that graph and put a scary line that points upwards to convince the mainstream media sheep it’s real and we all should be scared. That graph was made overnight on Microsoft you know and we all should listen because we had a hot bank holiday weekend, very very scary stuff.golfaddick said:
Were they taking daily temperature readings 250 years ago ?bobmunro said:TD_Addick said:
End of the day take a look at weather changes over the last 1000 years there are many especially in the 1700s and 1800s with spikes in temperatures. I’m a genuine believer in everyone is entitled to their opinion and if people want to believe in global warming then go for it. But it just gets very tiresome that just because we have a nice bank holiday people are waffling on about climate change but when the weather is cooler they go silent.fenaddick said:
Why have you decided to respond to a really polite post disagreeing with you by being hugely sarcastic and rude? Is it because there's no science to back up your opinion?TD_Addick said:@cantersaddick I feel so stupid now you’ve put it like that, you’ve completely changed my mind buddy. Eveytime it goes above 28 I will take my frustrations out on the cows farts which apparently are now contributing to this terrible climate change which is destroying our his planet. I will now eat vegan burgers and walk to my holiday destinations instead of polluting the atmosphere. Thanks buddy you were right I’m stupid.Believe whatever you want that’s your right as human with free will, but I choose to enjoy life and not let mainstream media scare me.It's not a religion or faith thing - it's overwhelmingly backed with science (unlike religion).Of course one bank holiday weekend in isolation is not evidence of global warming - but the unquestionable long term trend over the last 250 years convinces me that humankind's (ignorant of the facts when the industrial revolution kicked off but we now know differently) reliance on fossil fuels has been a major contributor.But I agree - if one chooses to ignore the evidence and deny the existence of man made global warming then it is entirely their prerogative to do so.
And that graph earlier going back to year 0. Obviously Neanderthal man was out in the midday sum taking readings with his thermometer.
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I did buddy it’s on page 4, go look.sam3110 said:To @cantersaddick you do realise you are not right in all your opinions? People that think differently aren’t stupid or conspiracy theorists maybe they see things differently, just maybe this may come as shocker to you but sometimes it’s hot during the summer months! Sounds crazy right. What a conspiracy theorist nut job I must sound, please get the stray jacket. 😂0 -
No idea what you’re talking about you’ve gone off topic, what’s a chem trail? I also believe we landed on the moon. If you could please clarify?Covered End said:
Aah, you're one of those BBC news, chem trail, illuminati, twin towers, no moon landing guys.TD_Addick said:
Between 950 and 1250 CE was an unusual period of warmer climate known as The Medieval Warm Period estimated to be up to warmer than the preceding centuries. There are many more it’s not about me being ignorant just can’t be bothered to list them, maybe give BBC news a miss today and create your own opinions 😉Covered End said:When people ignore pages of evidence and counter with "go look it up".
But do not provide one shred of evidence themself.
I always, struggle to decide is that person trolling, or just being wilfully ignorant of the mountains of evidence?
Ignorance is bliss anyone?
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As you’re only five years old, not sure you should be using the internet without adult supervision.TD_Addick said:I go by my own experience of things and also doing my research I choose not to believe someone standing in front of the TV with a posh voice pointing to a graph it takes more than that for me. So please stop sharing the graph it isn’t working.In my life on this planet I feel the weather has been the same, some hot days some cold days and rainy days. I then took time to look at how many climate and weather surges cold and hot have happened over the centuries and it’s happened a lot.Again if you want to believe Mr Scientist standing in front of your TV pointing to his graph then please feel free to continue that way of receiving information that’s your choice but I choose differently, this will be the final thing I post on the topic because clearly some of you can’t accept people are different and enjoy throwing words around like “stupid” and “ignorant” so best to walk away.To the original post yes it is f**king hot 😂 enjoy the weather everyone.7 -
Squeaky swings and tall grassgolfaddick said:I don't think 1976 was actually hot. It was just dry. No rain for about 3 months. That's why it was memorable. Just days & days & days of warm weather (prob mid to high 20's) with no rain or thunderstorms to break it up.The longest shadows ever castThe waters warm and children swimWe frolicked about in our summer skin
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Some people are worth listening too more than others. I was mightily impressed with the kid from UK who grew up with the dream of becoming an astronaut.
Not only did Piers Sellers achieved his ambition, but he spent the majority of his career studying climate change at NASA using the fantastic array of equipment at his disposal - and that's not to mention amongst some of the brightest people alive.
In 2015 he received the devastating diagnosis of pancreatic cancer, but still considered his work to be more vital than a single life.In Jan 2016 Sellers wrote a piece in the New York times called Cancer and Climate Change. He signed it off with a particularly poignant line.
As for me, I’ve no complaints. I’m very grateful for the experiences I’ve had on this planet. As an astronaut I spacewalked 220 miles above the Earth. Floating alongside the International Space Station, I watched hurricanes cartwheel across oceans, the Amazon snake its way to the sea through a brilliant green carpet of forest, and gigantic nighttime thunderstorms flash and flare for hundreds of miles along the Equator. From this God’s-eye-view, I saw how fragile and infinitely precious the Earth is. I’m hopeful for its future.
And so, I’m going to work tomorrow.
(Sellers logged 559 hours in space including 6 space walks. He died in December 2016).
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I once worked in an office where the sensor for the air conditioning was in the loft area which must have got very hot. My desk was situated right under an air con vent and the hotter the day, the colder I was. A scorching day gave me close to frostbite!7
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My first year at work was 1973 in a very small office up in the city shared by about 8 blokes and a secretary.
Air con? Whassat? A couple of the blokes had clearly never been told by their wives about anti anti-perspirant.
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Now now. Again I've never called you stupid so do stop claiming that.TD_Addick said:
I did buddy it’s on page 4, go look.sam3110 said:To @cantersaddick you do realise you are not right in all your opinions? People that think differently aren’t stupid or conspiracy theorists maybe they see things differently, just maybe this may come as shocker to you but sometimes it’s hot during the summer months! Sounds crazy right. What a conspiracy theorist nut job I must sound, please get the stray jacket. 😂
I wasn't claiming anything about being right. I was pointing out the body of evidence you were arguing against and therefore that the burden of proof lies with you making the claim that is directly in contravention of the evidence. I would expect someone with such a keen interest in research to understand how burden of proof works.
So far you have been unable to answer a single question put to you.
Edit. And May is spring not summer.2 -
Gonna guess GB News.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Curious how you receive your information? Please enlighten us.TD_Addick said:I go by my own experience of things and also doing my research I choose not to believe someone standing in front of the TV with a posh voice pointing to a graph it takes more than that for me. So please stop sharing the graph it isn’t working.In my life on this planet I feel the weather has been the same, some hot days some cold days and rainy days. I then took time to look at how many climate and weather surges cold and hot have happened over the centuries and it’s happened a lot.Again if you want to believe Mr Scientist standing in front of your TV pointing to his graph then please feel free to continue that way of receiving information that’s your choice but I choose differently, this will be the final thing I post on the topic because clearly some of you can’t accept people are different and enjoy throwing words around like “stupid” and “ignorant” so best to walk away.To the original post yes it is f**king hot 😂 enjoy the weather everyone.
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As for the hilarious claim that "we've all been taken in by scientists and mainstream media propaganda" into believing climate change is real.
Let's look into that claim.
On the one hand you have scientists and researchers often fighting for funding for their research or even self funding. You have green groups organised by ordinary people volunteering their time and from donations.
On the other hand you have fossil fuel giants making larger and larger economically excess profits from energy insecurity who have a massive incentive to protect those profits. Those same companies have known about climate change since the 70s but have invested massively in creating misinformation and distracting from the issues. Including trying to spin it as personal responsibility and the concept of carbon footprint to detract away from institutional and systemic causes.
Despite the overwhelming imbalance in funding one message has finally come through, even if it's 50 years late. That is because it's impossible to not see it.
I wonder who has actually fallen for propaganda.
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No you didn't, where's the articles, where's the studies, where's the actual proof?TD_Addick said:
I did buddy it’s on page 4, go look.sam3110 said:To @cantersaddick you do realise you are not right in all your opinions? People that think differently aren’t stupid or conspiracy theorists maybe they see things differently, just maybe this may come as shocker to you but sometimes it’s hot during the summer months! Sounds crazy right. What a conspiracy theorist nut job I must sound, please get the stray jacket. 😂
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"it's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but its damned near impossible to win one with a stupid one."
Honestly when you are met with such stupidity (I'm not saying away from that description), just move on, you're not going to change anyone's mind pointing out their ignorance, it's something people can only realize for themselves.11 -
I don't enjoy pile on's, they get a little circular in augment and rapidly spiral downwards to the point that the original post and some light hearted comments get lost followed by most losing interest.
That said, I as someone who was completing my first year at secondary school in 1976, have good memories of that summer. Despite the gloom of the political world the 70's were a fantastic decade to grow up especially like now if your family was relatively financially comfortable. Looking back 50 years it is human to remember the extremes of life and want the good bits to stand out maybe more than they deserve to. It wasn't 35C in May and correct me if I'm wrong it never reach that temperature all summer. People talk of getting water from standpipes in the street, some did but most didn't, we certainly didn't in Chislehurst or the surrounding area. It was a long dry summer and stood out because of that and our British fixation with weather, the newspapers were full of it. Just like now having to sensationalise every bloody story.
Of course there was no internet back then "to do your own research" you had to rely on people who were more intelligent, knowledgeable and more probably more educated than your family could hope you'd become, for information. I still have respect for those who study and become leaders in their fields. Unfortunately academics work is there for all to read nowadays, (it always was but you had to go to somewhere with a proper library), a good thing but also a great thing for those who think they can be at the scientists level of understanding because they can read a cherry picked passage from years of real research and kid themselves they understood the paper or the charts attached.
As part of my work for a well known American car manufacturer back in the 90's I used to have use Statistical Process Control (SPC) to verify new parts for production. It was boring monotonous work that produced reams of paperwork that few looked at and fewer really understood. The front page or back depending on how you stacked your work would include a figure or two in the bottom right. This figure was generated by input data which in turn generated various graphs. The order of input would influence the output, you could manipulate the final result to your favour and the graphs would give the impression all was correct. But I went one better, (worse from a company point), I just used to write my own figures in at the bottom right if I didn't get the results I wanted. The graphs stood out clearly wrong if understood.
No one bothered to understand the graphs or look at the data or worse no questioned it. Just like today few really understand data, some do and try to educate others and some do but choose for a variety of reasons to lie about it.
Anyway it was too F***ING hot for a bank holiday in May, for an island in the North Atlantic.
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F'ing hells bells it was hot this last week. Why does it always feel hotter in England at low-mid 30s than when I've been elsewhere in the world when its been low 40s?!
Mightily relieved this was my only commuting day in this week.2 -
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It’s mainly due to the fact that this country’s infrastructure has (historically) been built around us being a cold country.JohnBoyUK said:F'ing hells bells it was hot this last week. Why does it always feel hotter in England at low-mid 30s than when I've been elsewhere in the world when its been low 40s?!
Mightily relieved this was my only commuting day in this week.- Homes built to retain heat
- No AC in most residential buildings
- Antiquated tubes / trains in many places
- Most major cities being non coastal
- Tarmac covering large percentages of our cities area
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There is an overwhelming scientific consensus that the 'greenhouse effect' is driving climate change. Heatwaves, floods and droughts are increasing in their regularity.charltonkeston said:I don't enjoy pile on's, they get a little circular in augment and rapidly spiral downwards to the point that the original post and some light hearted comments get lost followed by most losing interest.
That said, I as someone who was completing my first year at secondary school in 1976, have good memories of that summer. Despite the gloom of the political world the 70's were a fantastic decade to grow up especially like now if your family was relatively financially comfortable. Looking back 50 years it is human to remember the extremes of life and want the good bits to stand out maybe more than they deserve to. It wasn't 35C in May and correct me if I'm wrong it never reach that temperature all summer. People talk of getting water from standpipes in the street, some did but most didn't, we certainly didn't in Chislehurst or the surrounding area. It was a long dry summer and stood out because of that and our British fixation with weather, the newspapers were full of it. Just like now having to sensationalise every bloody story.
Of course there was no internet back then "to do your own research" you had to rely on people who were more intelligent, knowledgeable and more probably more educated than your family could hope you'd become, for information. I still have respect for those who study and become leaders in their fields. Unfortunately academics work is there for all to read nowadays, (it always was but you had to go to somewhere with a proper library), a good thing but also a great thing for those who think they can be at the scientists level of understanding because they can read a cherry picked passage from years of real research and kid themselves they understood the paper or the charts attached.
As part of my work for a well known American car manufacturer back in the 90's I used to have use Statistical Process Control (SPC) to verify new parts for production. It was boring monotonous work that produced reams of paperwork that few looked at and fewer really understood. The front page or back depending on how you stacked your work would include a figure or two in the bottom right. This figure was generated by input data which in turn generated various graphs. The order of input would influence the output, you could manipulate the final result to your favour and the graphs would give the impression all was correct. But I went one better, (worse from a company point), I just used to write my own figures in at the bottom right if I didn't get the results I wanted. The graphs stood out clearly wrong if understood.
No one bothered to understand the graphs or look at the data or worse no questioned it. Just like today few really understand data, some do and try to educate others and some do but choose for a variety of reasons to lie about it.
Anyway it was too F***ING hot for a bank holiday in May, for an island in the North Atlantic.
I'll be delighted if the experts are proved wrong but it seems nonsensical for some politicians to simply ignore the body of evidence.
It appears to be the most serious issue facing mankind and the humour wears a bit thin at times.
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Possibly the drinking part 🍺Chunes said:Hot weather is fantastic when you're in a country designed for it. In England, it's fecking brutal.
I've been in Puglia when it's 40c and the locals don't even come outdoors until 10pm, and then they're filling up the restaurants, shopping and drinking. Can't see us adopting that lifestyle anytime soon.0 -
Well you claim there is a global climate crisis so on page 4 I bring up the fact there was a medieval warm period where the global temperature rose for around 300 years then the temperature dropped. 950-1250 CE so Sam do you think it’s possible that maybe just maybe the earth at times can randomly change without reason due to many factors? You do know the little man on BBC who reads from a teleprompter and tells you stuff isn’t always right?sam3110 said:
No you didn't, where's the articles, where's the studies, where's the actual proof?TD_Addick said:
I did buddy it’s on page 4, go look.sam3110 said:To @cantersaddick you do realise you are not right in all your opinions? People that think differently aren’t stupid or conspiracy theorists maybe they see things differently, just maybe this may come as shocker to you but sometimes it’s hot during the summer months! Sounds crazy right. What a conspiracy theorist nut job I must sound, please get the stray jacket. 😂A perfect example of not always believing the man on the TV Sam is michael fish 1987 storm when he told everyone it will be ok no hurricane and what happened the biggest we have seen. Sometimes the man on TV isn’t always right.Has the weather really changed be honest? In the winter it’s still cold and in the summer it’s hot I haven’t seen or witnessed anything that tells me oh this is different.5 -
Ford & Q101?charltonkeston said:I don't enjoy pile on's, they get a little circular in augment and rapidly spiral downwards to the point that the original post and some light hearted comments get lost followed by most losing interest.
That said, I as someone who was completing my first year at secondary school in 1976, have good memories of that summer. Despite the gloom of the political world the 70's were a fantastic decade to grow up especially like now if your family was relatively financially comfortable. Looking back 50 years it is human to remember the extremes of life and want the good bits to stand out maybe more than they deserve to. It wasn't 35C in May and correct me if I'm wrong it never reach that temperature all summer. People talk of getting water from standpipes in the street, some did but most didn't, we certainly didn't in Chislehurst or the surrounding area. It was a long dry summer and stood out because of that and our British fixation with weather, the newspapers were full of it. Just like now having to sensationalise every bloody story.
Of course there was no internet back then "to do your own research" you had to rely on people who were more intelligent, knowledgeable and more probably more educated than your family could hope you'd become, for information. I still have respect for those who study and become leaders in their fields. Unfortunately academics work is there for all to read nowadays, (it always was but you had to go to somewhere with a proper library), a good thing but also a great thing for those who think they can be at the scientists level of understanding because they can read a cherry picked passage from years of real research and kid themselves they understood the paper or the charts attached.
As part of my work for a well known American car manufacturer back in the 90's I used to have use Statistical Process Control (SPC) to verify new parts for production. It was boring monotonous work that produced reams of paperwork that few looked at and fewer really understood. The front page or back depending on how you stacked your work would include a figure or two in the bottom right. This figure was generated by input data which in turn generated various graphs. The order of input would influence the output, you could manipulate the final result to your favour and the graphs would give the impression all was correct. But I went one better, (worse from a company point), I just used to write my own figures in at the bottom right if I didn't get the results I wanted. The graphs stood out clearly wrong if understood.
No one bothered to understand the graphs or look at the data or worse no questioned it. Just like today few really understand data, some do and try to educate others and some do but choose for a variety of reasons to lie about it.
Anyway it was too F***ING hot for a bank holiday in May, for an island in the North Atlantic.
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Curious how you receive your information? Please enlighten us.TD_Addick said:I go by my own experience of things and also doing my research I choose not to believe someone standing in front of the TV with a posh voice pointing to a graph it takes more than that for me. So please stop sharing the graph it isn’t working.In my life on this planet I feel the weather has been the same, some hot days some cold days and rainy days. I then took time to look at how many climate and weather surges cold and hot have happened over the centuries and it’s happened a lot.Again if you want to believe Mr Scientist standing in front of your TV pointing to his graph then please feel free to continue that way of receiving information that’s your choice but I choose differently, this will be the final thing I post on the topic because clearly some of you can’t accept people are different and enjoy throwing words around like “stupid” and “ignorant” so best to walk away.To the original post yes it is f**king hot 😂 enjoy the weather everyone.
Which scientists and media outlets do you trust or is it just anecdotes?
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If one is open to the scientific method, they will listen to other opinions, be willing to admit they were wrong, and not be defensive when evidence is shown to support a theory. It's how we went to the moon and how we're able to type on this website. This TD person is capable of none of that. Pretty much everything he/ she is saying is the opposite of how science works. It really is a bingo card of conspiracy stupidity, and taking anecdotal evidence over empirical is the most egregious thing to do in science.
In isolation that's not really an issue. We can have morons in society and still progress. I just worry that social media is allowing morons to coalesce and form a far bigger patch of idiocy that could cause a lot of trouble for those who want to keep progressing.
There's absolute no point engaging with them. They should be completely and utterly dismissed. But how you stop the moron patch from growing to become an existential threat is the thing that scares me. That's why I see Musk, Altman and co. as big a threat to all of us as climate change. If we fail to improve the situation, they will be a big part of why - if they don't find some other way to fuck us all over first.20 -
Could be a they / them or an it.JiMMy 85 said:If one is open to the scientific method, they will listen to other opinions, be willing to admit they were wrong, and not be defensive when evidence is shown to support a theory. It's how we went to the moon and how we're able to type on this website. This TD person is capable of none of that. Pretty much everything he/ she is saying is the opposite of how science works. It really is a bingo card of conspiracy stupidity, and taking anecdotal evidence over empirical is the most egregious thing to do in science.
In isolation that's not really an issue. We can have morons in society and still progress. I just worry that social media is allowing morons to coalesce and form a far bigger patch of idiocy that could cause a lot of trouble for those who want to keep progressing.
There's absolute no point engaging with them. They should be completely and utterly dismissed. But how you stop the moron patch from growing to become an existential threat is the thing that scares me. That's why I see Musk, Altman and co. as big a threat to all of us as climate change. If we fail to improve the situation, they will be a big part of why - if they don't find some other way to fuck us all over first.0 -
Those that don't understand processes- for whatever reason, such as didn't pay attention at school, or were taught badly, or don't need to understand process as processes they engage with serve them ok, or they function in life further away from processes that matter- tend not to question or be able to question things. They cling to ideas, and the validity of their opinions, usually including a likeminded group of friends where they don't need to question, or understand processes, and structures hidden behind them. 'Stupid' does them fine.
Climate denial fits pretty neatly in there. As does, standing against anyone who analyses and/or manipulates processes. Unfortunately climate change, impacts us all and there's no escaping that (except willfully), and unfortunately too climate deniers get a vote in our democratic system which makes their stupid denial equivalent to a well-informed vote.
As painful as it is, there's no choice but to have to engage with stupid in the current system, even on this football forum- meanwhile hoping science gets ahead of the fossil fuel industry in practical ways that can help us keep the environment sustainable!4 -
I thought you weren't posting anymore! After you posted about the MWP I explained why that's not a valid point of comparison due to the fact it was non-global and asynchronous, meaning the global temperature rise between then and the current situation is radically different. Would you like to engage with that?TD_Addick said:
Well you claim there is a global climate crisis so on page 4 I bring up the fact there was a medieval warm period where the global temperature rose for around 300 years then the temperature dropped. 950-1250 CE so Sam do you think it’s possible that maybe just maybe the earth at times can randomly change without reason due to many factors? You do know the little man on BBC who reads from a teleprompter and tells you stuff isn’t always right?sam3110 said:
No you didn't, where's the articles, where's the studies, where's the actual proof?TD_Addick said:
I did buddy it’s on page 4, go look.sam3110 said:To @cantersaddick you do realise you are not right in all your opinions? People that think differently aren’t stupid or conspiracy theorists maybe they see things differently, just maybe this may come as shocker to you but sometimes it’s hot during the summer months! Sounds crazy right. What a conspiracy theorist nut job I must sound, please get the stray jacket. 😂A perfect example of not always believing the man on the TV Sam is michael fish 1987 storm when he told everyone it will be ok no hurricane and what happened the biggest we have seen. Sometimes the man on TV isn’t always right.Has the weather really changed be honest? In the winter it’s still cold and in the summer it’s hot I haven’t seen or witnessed anything that tells me oh this is different.3
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