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I love it when people who fall for false information propaganda call people who don't, sheep.7
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Yes, but was the secretary fit?CharltonManor1966 said:My first year at work was 1973 in a very small office up in the city shared by about 8 blokes and a secretary.
Air con? Whassat? A couple of the blokes had clearly never been told by their wives about anti anti-perspirant.1 -
I dont believe you are stupid or beyond engagign with so I will have one last try - With researched sources and evidence - to explain the difference.TD_Addick said:
Well you claim there is a global climate crisis so on page 4 I bring up the fact there was a medieval warm period where the global temperature rose for around 300 years then the temperature dropped. 950-1250 CE so Sam do you think it’s possible that maybe just maybe the earth at times can randomly change without reason due to many factors? You do know the little man on BBC who reads from a teleprompter and tells you stuff isn’t always right?sam3110 said:
No you didn't, where's the articles, where's the studies, where's the actual proof?TD_Addick said:
I did buddy it’s on page 4, go look.sam3110 said:To @cantersaddick you do realise you are not right in all your opinions? People that think differently aren’t stupid or conspiracy theorists maybe they see things differently, just maybe this may come as shocker to you but sometimes it’s hot during the summer months! Sounds crazy right. What a conspiracy theorist nut job I must sound, please get the stray jacket. 😂A perfect example of not always believing the man on the TV Sam is michael fish 1987 storm when he told everyone it will be ok no hurricane and what happened the biggest we have seen. Sometimes the man on TV isn’t always right.Has the weather really changed be honest? In the winter it’s still cold and in the summer it’s hot I haven’t seen or witnessed anything that tells me oh this is different.
Firstly - You are the one who made a claim that directly contravenes the evidence, therefore burden of proof is on you not Dam, It is your responsibility to back up your claim that climate change isnt real rather than Sam or anyone else's to prove it does. I have done the below as a curtesy.
So lets actually looka t the science becuase your above post gets a lot wrong.
On the Medieeval warm period - no one is saying it didnt happen, thats not disputed in science, but we are saying its different from what is happening now. The MWP saw global temperatures rise only around 0.2 to 0.4°C above previous centuries, and the warming was largely concentrated in the North Atlantic, Europe and Greenland, not the entire globe. Climate proxy records show peak warmth occurred at different times in different regions, confirming it was not a globally uniform event. https://sigmaearth.com/medieval-warm-period-vs-modern-global-warming/
What we are currently seeing is very different, a global phenomona happening at rapid speed. The top eleven hottest years ever recorded have all occurred in the last eleven years. For the first time in recorded history, the annual global average temperature exceeded 1.5°C above pre-industrial levels. That's not a regional quirk. That's the whole planet.https://www.climatecentral.org/climate-matters/2024-global-and-us-reviewThe MWP is thought to have been caused by natural climatic variations like changes in solar radiation and volcanic activity. Modern warming, by contrast, is driven primarily by human activities — fossil fuel use and deforestation dramatically increasing greenhouse gas concentrations. We know why temperatures are rising now, and it isn't the sun. https://sigmaearth.com/medieval-warm-period-vs-modern-global-warming/
"but I havent noticed anything different" - well you have whether you recognise it or not. You keep referring to heat happening in summer anyway whist not recognising that May is not summer. It is unprecedented that extreme heat happens so early, summer expanding is an effect of climate change.
With respect, personal observations from your garden in England aren't a data set. Here's what is one:The UK is 10% wetter than it was 30 years ago. Five of the ten wettest years on UK record have occurred in the 21st century. England has experienced a major flood almost every year since 2007. https://www.morganclark.co.uk/about-us/blog/uk-flood-statistics-facts-about-flooding/
The number of days with temperatures 5°C above the 1961–1990 average has doubled in the most recent decade. For 8°C above average, the number has trebled. For 10°C above average, it has quadrupled. The UK Met Office's own Chief Scientist says: "Our climate is now different to what it was just a few decades ago." https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/about-us/news-and-media/media-centre/weather-and-climate-news/2025/annual-climate-stocktake-shows-weather-records-and-extremes-now-the-norm-in-uk-climate
Michael Fish getting a forecast wrong in 1987 is not an argument against climate science. Weather forecasting is predicting tomorrow. Climate science is measuring long-term trends using ice cores, ocean sediments, satellite data, and thousands of independent research institutions worldwide. NOAA, NASA, the UK Met Office, the World Meteorological Organization, and six separate international datasets all independently confirm the same warming trend. This isn't one bloke with a pointer (who isnt/wasnt a scientist) - it's the entire scientific world reaching the same conclusion from different directions. https://wmo.int/news/media-centre/wmo-confirms-2024-warmest-year-record-about-155degc-above-pre-industrial-level
Nobody is saying climate has never changed before. Of course it has. The issue is why it's changing now, how fast, and what that means for us. The MWP unfolded over centuries. Since the late 19th century, global temperatures have risen by around 1.2°C, with the most significant increases in recent decades. That's an extraordinary rate of change, and humans are without doubt the cause. That's not a BBC presenter reading from a script. That's physics. https://sigmaearth.com/medieval-warm-period-vs-modern-global-warming/
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I am well aware that global warming both exists and is occurring as we speak.
However, I am not fully convinced by some of the ‘End of the World’ rhetoric being spouted.🤨
I like to think that Mother Nature will take care of things as she has done for eons, that’s not to say we shouldn’t do a lot more than we currently do to help the Old Girl along the way.
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Here’s a verse from a song written especially for people like you:TD_Addick said:There are several changes to temperatures before the 20th century @sam3110 go research it.Again last night I had that strange dreamwhere everything was exactly how it seemedconcerns about the world getting warmerpeople thought that they were just being rewardedfor treating others as they'd like to be treatedfor obeying stop signs and curing diseasesfor mailing letters with the address of the senderNow we can swim any day in NovemberDon't wake me, I plan on sleeping in (Now we can swim any day in November)
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Not here in La Vendée, not far south from you relatively speaking, it’s not. 37 degrees today.TD_Addick said:I’ve just checked the weather next week says 18 to 20 degrees maybe global warming taking a week off? Maybe not so many cows farted this week? 😂
Edit: these are the hottest ever recorded May temperatures here. How do you explain that away? Did the cows have a dahl rather than their usual korma?4 -
Self marinating beef. What a time to be alive.jimmymelrose said:
Not here in La Vendée, not far south from you relatively speaking, it’s not. 37 degrees today.TD_Addick said:I’ve just checked the weather next week says 18 to 20 degrees maybe global warming taking a week off? Maybe not so many cows farted this week? 😂
Edit: these are the hottest ever recorded May temperatures here. How do you explain that away? Did the cows have a dahl rather than their usual korma?2 -
3. It’s not summer. That’s the f***ing shocker.TD_Addick said:
I did buddy it’s on page 4, go look.sam3110 said:To @cantersaddick you do realise you are not right in all your opinions? People that think differently aren’t stupid or conspiracy theorists maybe they see things differently, just maybe this may come as shocker to you but sometimes it’s hot during the summer months! Sounds crazy right. What a conspiracy theorist nut job I must sound, please get the stray jacket. 😂
1. It’s May until Sunday isn’t it? Sorry, that’s only my opinion, isn’t it?
2. Think. Think. Think. Why are scientists making this up then iyo? Oh, and also, I’m curious to know if you’re a ’flat earther.’ If so, can different regions of a flat planet have different climates?2 -
SoundAsa£ said:I am well aware that global warming both exists and is occurring as we speak.
However, I am not fully convinced by some of the ‘End of the World’ rhetoric being spouted.🤨
I like to think that Mother Nature will take care of things as she has done for eons, that’s not to say we shouldn’t do a lot more than we currently do to help the Old Girl along the way.Mother Nature will remedy the situation and our planet will survive and prosper - not sure there will be much left of mankind to see it though unless we stop raping said Mother Nature.Also bare in mind it was Mother Nature who condemned old vegetation and marine life deep underground where is formed into coal, gas and oil. Mother Nature never intended any of it to be dug up!3 -
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That response is out of order.jimmymelrose said:
3. It’s not summer. That’s the f***ing shocker.TD_Addick said:
I did buddy it’s on page 4, go look.sam3110 said:To @cantersaddick you do realise you are not right in all your opinions? People that think differently aren’t stupid or conspiracy theorists maybe they see things differently, just maybe this may come as shocker to you but sometimes it’s hot during the summer months! Sounds crazy right. What a conspiracy theorist nut job I must sound, please get the stray jacket. 😂
1. It’s May until Sunday isn’t it? Sorry, that’s only my opinion, isn’t it?
2. Think. Think. Think. Why are scientists making this up then iyo? Oh, and also, I’m curious to know if you’re a ’flat earther.’ If so, can different regions of a flat planet have different climates?9 -
It could well be due to humidity. I live in Australia, down south in Victoria. We get summer days over 37 centigrade but, its a dry heat. Ive been in north australia when its only been 27 but humid and its horrible.JohnBoyUK said:F'ing hells bells it was hot this last week. Why does it always feel hotter in England at low-mid 30s than when I've been elsewhere in the world when its been low 40s?!
Mightily relieved this was my only commuting day in this week.2 -
Was in Alice Springs last May, Australia autumn, above 30 degrees and the flies were little short torture.TimAddick said:
It could well be due to humidity. I live in Australia, down south in Victoria. We get summer days over 37 centigrade but, it’s a dry heat. Ive been in north australia when its only been 27 but humid and its horrible.JohnBoyUK said:F'ing hells bells it was hot this last week. Why does it always feel hotter in England at low-mid 30s than when I've been elsewhere in the world when its been low 40s?!
Mightily relieved this was my only commuting day in this week.Mind you the Outback BBQ was unbelievable as was dawn at Urulru0 -
Can hear an argument brewing in the living room during half term...
In comes Dad...
"She said this!"...
"but Dad she said that!"...
"Enough!"
"But Dad....!"
"I don't care, zip it, shut your cakehole, I've heard enough, pack it in FFS!"
(Can you tell I've got zero tolerance after 3 days at home with my little cherubs?)
F*ck me, I come to the office to escape from my lit'luns for some peace and quiet... come on this thread and its like being at home again in the living room
Play nicely people, play nicely 
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To be fair, you're probably right there. We just came back from Singapore and Bali and the humidity was ridiculous. Thats the only time I've been abroad where I've proper disliked the heat and was not rushing to sit out in the sun.TimAddick said:
It could well be due to humidity. I live in Australia, down south in Victoria. We get summer days over 37 centigrade but, its a dry heat. Ive been in north australia when its only been 27 but humid and its horrible.JohnBoyUK said:F'ing hells bells it was hot this last week. Why does it always feel hotter in England at low-mid 30s than when I've been elsewhere in the world when its been low 40s?!
Mightily relieved this was my only commuting day in this week.0 -
Just hope the early onset of hot weather doesn't interrupt any reseeding/repair work on the Valley pitch. (Keeping it about football).
As for this thread, blimey, some people have gone all Al Gore whilst others appear very much in the Richard Littlejohn sceptic club.
Scientists don't make things up. Scientists seek to find out more knowledge through research and present their evidence. That current evidence shows that the world, and particularly our oceans, are warming up due to human activity and my hope is that human (and non-human) technology will adapt and devise ways to meet this challenge in future decades.
What does mildly irritate is the constant point scoring made by those who make their living out of the weather be it meteorologists who suddenly get a slot on the main news bulletins or climate change correspondents on the broadcasting media as they roam the country looking for a new temperature record. You can't blame the public getting a little wary of concerned stories about record breaking heat in May when for three weeks of the month we have all been in coats and scarves. The BBC news led one evening a month ago on the fact we had a warm day in April - wow. It was back to normal the next day weather wise.
There's a feeling that the numbers are being skewed to fit a 'it's getting warmer' agenda. There was a month in late summer last year which the meteorologists claimed was one of the warmest on record when the man in the street knew for a fact it had been cloudy and pretty lousy all month. When challenged, the experts then explained that they took into account overnight temperatures (which didn't drop due to the cloud) when averaging out the month's figures.
In this country we will always be obsessed with our weather. It's always been a case of swings and roundabouts. A period of wet weather followed by a week of sunshine. For all we know we are having our summer this week and that could be it for the year. One thunderstorm and and back to humid sunshine and showers. It's all down to what the jet stream decides to do to us.
There have been exceptional summers and I was around in 1976 too. The weather had been pretty indifferent until mid June that year and then it got increasingly hot during the Wimbledon fortnight and, as others have said, stayed very dry for the next three months. The summer of 2022 is the closest I can remember to that summer of 76 and it's because of the dryness of the heat and the fact it stayed dry for a long period.
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@TD_Addick
I know some people live in rabbit holes while others delight in taking a contrary view. I can’t decide yet what motivates you.
Regardless, cards on the table.
I have been interested in the weather since I was at school. I've been retired for many years so overall that's quite a long time.
When global warming and climate change started to be mentioned I was sceptical. I had never heard of the scientists or their reputations so it was probably just another wild theory. But as the years passed, the weight of evidence built up and with what I could see with my own eyes, well, there was only one conclusion. Our climate is changing, as it always has, but at a far faster rate than the planet has experienced in the last 10,000 years.
But, suppose you are right, if we nevertheless treat climate change as a real threat then the worse that can happen is we spend and waste some money. If I'm right but we ignore the scientists like you and do nothing then potential catastrophe awaits, perhaps not for me but for my children and grandchildren. Frankly, I don't want to take that chance with their futures. We could wait until we know for sure but it would likely be too late anyway.
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Delhi is dreadful in summer. I've been there in at 48C - utterly unbearable. And as say, you could literally taste the pollution. Much of this is caused by crop burning by farmers outside the city along with traffic.charltonkeston said:
I was in Delhi a couple of years back, you can taste the pollution there its so bad. The day we left there the app on my phone said the air quality index was at 400!! for Delhi while the same early spring day for London was 1. It was unbelievably bad there, there was smog at midday where you could only see a few hundred yards and the sun was a haze. Added to this it was 35C. Obviously the city and the back drop of the Himalayas is to blame for the pollution that kills many, London has cleaned up the air quality over the decades but some days there is still bad air quality. Just looked on the app its at 3 in London while Delhi is 42C and 149.usetobunkin said:I Remember days back in 60s when we had "double" summer time and was still light at 10.30pm.
The days also seemed warm and sunny with out the oppressive humidity we experience now.
I can look out from my bedroom window and see the blanket of pollution that hangs over London most summer evening.
Just look at Delhi to see how temp and pollution can render a city almost un-liveable.0 -
They burn traffic in Delhi? Now there’s an idea. Can we use the c***s on motorbikes doing 100mph in a 30 right outside my bedroom window at 3am on a Bank Holiday Monday as kindling? Then, once the fire’s properly going, chuck on the 40-tonne artics using the A25 as a shortcut at roughly the same civilised hour of the morning.Jints said:
Delhi is dreadful in summer. I've been there in at 48C - utterly unbearable. And as say, you could literally taste the pollution. Much of this is caused by crop burning by farmers outside the city along with traffic.charltonkeston said:
I was in Delhi a couple of years back, you can taste the pollution there its so bad. The day we left there the app on my phone said the air quality index was at 400!! for Delhi while the same early spring day for London was 1. It was unbelievably bad there, there was smog at midday where you could only see a few hundred yards and the sun was a haze. Added to this it was 35C. Obviously the city and the back drop of the Himalayas is to blame for the pollution that kills many, London has cleaned up the air quality over the decades but some days there is still bad air quality. Just looked on the app its at 3 in London while Delhi is 42C and 149.usetobunkin said:I Remember days back in 60s when we had "double" summer time and was still light at 10.30pm.
The days also seemed warm and sunny with out the oppressive humidity we experience now.
I can look out from my bedroom window and see the blanket of pollution that hangs over London most summer evening.
Just look at Delhi to see how temp and pollution can render a city almost un-liveable.0 -
There are lots of opinions on this thread, and that's a good thing, but as someone that has literally experienced weather every day of my life, I like to think that I have a good handle on what's going on. Just saying.5
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Worst i've ever experienced was a dry 42°C in Melbourne. Unbearable, I had to spend most of the day indoors. Not sure if more humid would be worse, it was like opening an oven door.0
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Yeah, but I've been experiening the weather through this and thin, for 49 years mate. Even though the Upton Park and Shithouse Park years. There's nothing about the weather I don't know about. Especially seeing as I use a weather forecasting stone, which is very rarely, if ever, wrong -SporadicAddick said:There are lots of opinions on this thread, and that's a good thing, but as someone that has literally experienced weather every day of my life, I like to think that I have a good handle on what's going on. Just saying.
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Nature has difficulty in adapting to rapid change. Humans can install air conditioning, but birds can't change their nesting habits. Baby birds will have been suffering from this week's heat because it shouldn't be happening so early in the year.SoundAsa£ said:I am well aware that global warming both exists and is occurring as we speak.
However, I am not fully convinced by some of the ‘End of the World’ rhetoric being spouted.🤨
I like to think that Mother Nature will take care of things as she has done for eons, that’s not to say we shouldn’t do a lot more than we currently do to help the Old Girl along the way.
When we were on the Isle of Wight last September, I wanted some crab to eat, but everywhere we went they told us it was very difficult to obtain Apparently from the IOW and all along the south coast to Cornwall, the crab pots were empty. I later learnt that the rising temperature of the North Atlantic, was allowing the octopus to travel further north than usual and were eating the young crabs. That's just one example of rising temperatures having an effect. Some species may prosper, but others won't survive.
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Gribbo said:
Yeah, but I've been experiening the weather through this and thin, for 49 years mate. Even though the Upton Park and Shithouse Park years. There's nothing about the weather I don't know about. Especially seeing as I use a weather forecasting stone, which is very rarely, if ever, wrong -SporadicAddick said:There are lots of opinions on this thread, and that's a good thing, but as someone that has literally experienced weather every day of my life, I like to think that I have a good handle on what's going on. Just saying.
Couldn't give a fu*k what the weather's doin' man...😉0 -
Long way to come on a dinghyME14addick said:
Nature has difficulty in adapting to rapid change. Humans can install air conditioning, but birds can't change their nesting habits. Baby birds will have been suffering from this week's heat because it shouldn't be happening so early in the year.SoundAsa£ said:I am well aware that global warming both exists and is occurring as we speak.
However, I am not fully convinced by some of the ‘End of the World’ rhetoric being spouted.🤨
I like to think that Mother Nature will take care of things as she has done for eons, that’s not to say we shouldn’t do a lot more than we currently do to help the Old Girl along the way.
When we were on the Isle of Wight last September, I wanted some crab to eat, but everywhere we went they told us it was very difficult to obtain Apparently from the IOW and all along the south coast to Cornwall, the crab pots were empty. I later learnt that the rising temperature of the North Atlantic, was allowing the octopus to travel further north than usual and were eating the young crabs. That's just one example of rising temperatures having an effect. Some species may prosper, but others won't survive.0 -
The saddest one I have read are turtles - my favourite animal who due to rising sea and sand temperatures while the eggs are incubating are now predominantly being born female and so populations are falling quite rapidly.ME14addick said:
Nature has difficulty in adapting to rapid change. Humans can install air conditioning, but birds can't change their nesting habits. Baby birds will have been suffering from this week's heat because it shouldn't be happening so early in the year.SoundAsa£ said:I am well aware that global warming both exists and is occurring as we speak.
However, I am not fully convinced by some of the ‘End of the World’ rhetoric being spouted.🤨
I like to think that Mother Nature will take care of things as she has done for eons, that’s not to say we shouldn’t do a lot more than we currently do to help the Old Girl along the way.
When we were on the Isle of Wight last September, I wanted some crab to eat, but everywhere we went they told us it was very difficult to obtain Apparently from the IOW and all along the south coast to Cornwall, the crab pots were empty. I later learnt that the rising temperature of the North Atlantic, was allowing the octopus to travel further north than usual and were eating the young crabs. That's just one example of rising temperatures having an effect. Some species may prosper, but others won't survive.
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Even if man made climate change is found not to be a thing (highly unlikely), oil and gas are declining industries. Much of it has already been extracted, and what remains will become increasingly difficult and expensive to extract. Renewables are cheaper anyway, so moving to them is a win all round.Hex said:@TD_Addick
I know some people live in rabbit holes while others delight in taking a contrary view. I can’t decide yet what motivates you.
Regardless, cards on the table.
I have been interested in the weather since I was at school. I've been retired for many years so overall that's quite a long time.
When global warming and climate change started to be mentioned I was sceptical. I had never heard of the scientists or their reputations so it was probably just another wild theory. But as the years passed, the weight of evidence built up and with what I could see with my own eyes, well, there was only one conclusion. Our climate is changing, as it always has, but at a far faster rate than the planet has experienced in the last 10,000 years.
But, suppose you are right, if we nevertheless treat climate change as a real threat then the worse that can happen is we spend and waste some money. If I'm right but we ignore the scientists like you and do nothing then potential catastrophe awaits, perhaps not for me but for my children and grandchildren. Frankly, I don't want to take that chance with their futures. We could wait until we know for sure but it would likely be too late anyway.
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We have the same kind of weather and temp. spike here in Prague. But not as high temps as in London, which itself is highly unusual re summer weather. It was a shock because it came suddenly, we'd been cruising through a normal May until last weekend. They call it a "weather dome" and from the maps you can see it has settled over France, so we are on the edge of it whereas London is much closer. The 35c temp in London was a news item here!
Anyway, I have a tip for your gaffs. Outside anti- heat blinds. We installed aircon in the main bedroom 9-10 years ago but we wouldn't like it in the rest of the house. But the house was re-built to let a lot of light in, and we slowly realised that normal curtains and indoor blinds just don't keep the resulting heat out enough. These blinds do, yet they are also quite transparent (we have different blackout blinds in the bedroom). They create a really nice relaxing atmosphere.They don't of course bring the temp back down to 21 when its 33 outside but they definitely make a difference. All our east or south facing windows now have them.0 -
Did you order the calamari instead?ME14addick said:
Nature has difficulty in adapting to rapid change. Humans can install air conditioning, but birds can't change their nesting habits. Baby birds will have been suffering from this week's heat because it shouldn't be happening so early in the year.SoundAsa£ said:I am well aware that global warming both exists and is occurring as we speak.
However, I am not fully convinced by some of the ‘End of the World’ rhetoric being spouted.🤨
I like to think that Mother Nature will take care of things as she has done for eons, that’s not to say we shouldn’t do a lot more than we currently do to help the Old Girl along the way.
When we were on the Isle of Wight last September, I wanted some crab to eat, but everywhere we went they told us it was very difficult to obtain Apparently from the IOW and all along the south coast to Cornwall, the crab pots were empty. I later learnt that the rising temperature of the North Atlantic, was allowing the octopus to travel further north than usual and were eating the young crabs. That's just one example of rising temperatures having an effect. Some species may prosper, but others won't survive.5 -
This is possibly correct, all human life will die and the planet can start again.SoundAsa£ said:I am well aware that global warming both exists and is occurring as we speak.
However, I am not fully convinced by some of the ‘End of the World’ rhetoric being spouted.🤨
I like to think that Mother Nature will take care of things as she has done for eons, that’s not to say we shouldn’t do a lot more than we currently do to help the Old Girl along the way.1
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