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Olympic Stadium; our day in court
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It’s pathetic mateStu_of_Kunming said:Some people just can’t help themselves.1 -
Obviously the deal that WHU ended up with stinks to high heaven.MuttleyCAFC said:
Only if corruption annoys you. If you are happy with it fine.CaptainRobbo said:
Off with their head's then 🪓MuttleyCAFC said:
Yes but those willing to absolve the guilty are just as bad. Facts in this case shouldn't be viewed as political. The main culprit is not in parliament.CaptainRobbo said:
Why let facts get in the way of a good old political rant?MuttleyCAFC said:I think it is wrong to accuse Coe. He wanted the stadium to be the national athletics stadium.
No doubt some brown envelopes were exchanged somewhere down the line.2 -
Yes, the political element is irrelevent, only that those indulging it it need to have power. That is why I corrected an accusation against Coe who is a Conservative. You have corrupt people in power of all colours but we should be able to call it out when we see it.CaptainRobbo said:
Obviously the deal that WHU ended up with stinks to high heaven.MuttleyCAFC said:
Only if corruption annoys you. If you are happy with it fine.CaptainRobbo said:
Off with their head's then 🪓MuttleyCAFC said:
Yes but those willing to absolve the guilty are just as bad. Facts in this case shouldn't be viewed as political. The main culprit is not in parliament.CaptainRobbo said:
Why let facts get in the way of a good old political rant?MuttleyCAFC said:I think it is wrong to accuse Coe. He wanted the stadium to be the national athletics stadium.
No doubt some brown envelopes were exchanged somewhere down the line.0 -
Less, I'm pretty sure, but @PragueAddick will know for sure.redman said:
I don't understand this comment by SK. Are West Ham currently paying £5m pa rent at the moment or am I missing something else.ross1 said:According to the Mayor of London, London taxpayers will have to pay £2.5m if West Ham relegated0 -
Actually it is pretty close. Stu will be thinking of the starting level rent which was just £2m'ish, but gradually after a lot of pressure it has been squeezed up to £4.6m p.a. Credit for that goes to Lyn Garner who succeeded David Goldstone, who was CEO of the LLDC at the time the original deal was done. She was appointed by Sadiq Khan and by that time the Moore Stephens inquiry which laid bare the fiasco of the deal had been published. Goldstone was a weasel who tried to discredit both the BBC documentary, and Steve Clarke and I by suggesting we had "secretly" submitted a different FOI request which demanded sight of the stadium plans. I mean, the whole point of FOI is to make things un-secret, and why would we need the stadium plans? Dan Roan at the BBC, himself put under pressure by Goldstone, tipped me off about that and I have fondly preserved the written apology I wrung from Goldstone.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Less, I'm pretty sure, but @PragueAddick will know for sure.redman said:
I don't understand this comment by SK. Are West Ham currently paying £5m pa rent at the moment or am I missing something else.ross1 said:According to the Mayor of London, London taxpayers will have to pay £2.5m if West Ham relegated
Lyn Garner had the business brain and the cojones to face down Brady and make them pay more. That was no easy task because the LLDC had very little leverage. Trouble is it still did not and does not cover the annual expenses incurred by West Ham's tenancy, still less ongoing maintenance and renovation costs. One of the clauses which was retained was the relegation clause which stipulates a 50% reduction in rent. That more or less covers SK's £2.5m assertion, and is the main reason for it.
The Athletic has a more than decent summary of the situation here, which hopefully is not paywalled. (though I am certain that the refit cost is £323m and not £272m as they say, I know where the difference comes from but would need time to dig it out) Another thing I didn't know about, mentioned elsewhere, is that they are trying to persuade West Ham to co -operate so that London can hold the 2029 World Athletics Championship, which take place in September that year. The unintentional LOL headline of the article is "West Ham urged to show ‘heart and soul’ over London 2029 World Athletics bid". That's how much leverage we have. Well Brady's gone, but you can take it from me Daniel Kretinsky is not well known in Prague for his "heart and soul" either🤣8 -
They seem to do well on the business rates side as well1 -
Leicester could do with their expenses going down 50% now they have been relegated to League One. I fail to see how West Hams relegation, if it is them and not Spurs, is the fault of tax payers.3
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West Ham will make an announcement next Tuesday on season ticket renewals. West Ham Interim CEO Karim Virani and Ticketing Director Nicola Key told the FAB that season ticket prices will be frozen if West Ham make the great escape and retain Premier League status on Sunday.A final decision on Championship season ticket pricing will be made next week whether that be a freeze or make a slight reduction. The Championship has 23 home games, four more than the Premier League so price per game would reduce by 17.38% even if prices are only frozen from last season.0
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23 hours old apparently, this just popped up on my instagram feed0 -
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Do they have permission to do anything like that?2
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Are they going to pay for it?4
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They rent like we do but 30,000 season ticket money.0
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No way. If it were possible, GullivanBrady would have done it years ago. How are they going to hold any athletics there? This is why the whole thing is such a mess, Coe got his way, that athletics would always have primacy there. Getting seats closer to the pitch doesnt help, even if they remove the running track, the rake is still too shallow, thats what the fans dont like.letthegoodtimesroll said:23 hours old apparently, this just popped up on my instagram feedKretinsky isnt really an oligarch but he still suffers from “ I can do anything cos I’m so fucking rich” syndrome. He blew loads of money making Slavia the clear no1 Czech club. Which was quite a result given that he actually owns Sparta🤣6 -
I thought it was still primarily an athletics stadium and Seb Coe said it couldn't be altered! West ham taking the piss again as ever, unfair advantage to everyone else in the championship...twats2
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When the Spanners play there, they can help to start the refurbishment by ripping out a few hundred seats for them.Grovenuts said:I thought it was still primarily an athletics stadium and Seb Coe said it couldn't be altered! West ham taking the piss again as ever, unfair advantage to everyone else in the championship...twats3 -
If he’s rich enough, I’m sure we would sell it to him.PragueAddick said:
No way. If it were possible, GullivanBrady would have done it years ago. How are they going to hold any athletics there? This is why the whole thing is such a mess, Coe got his way, that athletics would always have primacy there. Getting seats closer to the pitch doesnt help, even if they remove the running track, the rake is still too shallow, thats what the fans dont like.letthegoodtimesroll said:23 hours old apparently, this just popped up on my instagram feedKretinsky isnt really an oligarch but he still suffers from “ I can do anything cos I’m so fucking rich” syndrome. He blew loads of money making Slavia the clear no1 Czech club. Which was quite a result given that he actually owns Sparta🤣
if there is a running track around the pitch then they probably could make the pitch level lower to accommodate the pitch side seating3 -
As I understand it, Seb Coe isn't paying the bills, we all are.Grovenuts said:I thought it was still primarily an athletics stadium and Seb Coe said it couldn't be altered! West ham taking the piss again as ever, unfair advantage to everyone else in the championship...twats
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It's a disgrace if that is allowed to happen.letthegoodtimesroll said:23 hours old apparently, this just popped up on my instagram feed0 -
Afternoon Delight said:
It's a disgrace if that is allowed to happen.letthegoodtimesroll said:23 hours old apparently, this just popped up on my instagram feed
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How can the owner put £90m in?.0
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Premier league rules over money for them until end of june.1
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IIRC, Daniel Levy forced West Ham's hand by making it the major bargaining chip all them years ago.PragueAddick said:
No way. If it were possible, GullivanBrady would have done it years ago. How are they going to hold any athletics there? This is why the whole thing is such a mess, Coe got his way, that athletics would always have primacy there. Getting seats closer to the pitch doesnt help, even if they remove the running track, the rake is still too shallow, thats what the fans dont like.letthegoodtimesroll said:23 hours old apparently, this just popped up on my instagram feedKretinsky isnt really an oligarch but he still suffers from “ I can do anything cos I’m so fucking rich” syndrome. He blew loads of money making Slavia the clear no1 Czech club. Which was quite a result given that he actually owns Sparta🤣
Levy said Spurs had no obligation to keep the running track and wanted to develop Crystal Palace as a stand alone 30k athletics only stadium, which made West Ham focus on keeping it (or something like that!)
I'm sure @PragueAddick can remember it better than me.
But no, they can't remove the athletics track, Seb Coe said Spurs couldn't do it. So not sure how West ham would have licence to do it.3 -
Sure I read that UK Athletics is selling their right to host the Diamond league meeting0
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I think you are substantively right there, the only caveat being that some think Levy knew all along that his plans were so outrageous ( it was more than just the running track he was going to demolish) and they were a bargaining chip for his real goal which was to get Haringey Council support to re-do WHL. I am not sure my Spurs Trust mates believed that though. Their stance was of course dead against going to the Olympic Stadium but they didnt trust Levy one inch. But either way, Levy stitched up West Ham quite nicely there. The fact is that West Ham going there was the only economically sustainable after-use for the stadium. Peter Varney was saying this almost as soon as the UK bid was confirmed. The deal could have been much more sensible for the taxpayer, but cementing West Ham’s place among the elite, just because they happened to live near the chosen Olympic site. As it is, they are stuck with a soulless bowl in the second division. Kretinsky isnt stupid but I dont think he has quite grasped the extent of the shit they are in. And I find that (to once again quote Sir John Major) a most satisfactory state of affairs😂JohnBoyUK said:
IIRC, Daniel Levy forced West Ham's hand by making it the major bargaining chip all them years ago.PragueAddick said:
No way. If it were possible, GullivanBrady would have done it years ago. How are they going to hold any athletics there? This is why the whole thing is such a mess, Coe got his way, that athletics would always have primacy there. Getting seats closer to the pitch doesnt help, even if they remove the running track, the rake is still too shallow, thats what the fans dont like.letthegoodtimesroll said:23 hours old apparently, this just popped up on my instagram feedKretinsky isnt really an oligarch but he still suffers from “ I can do anything cos I’m so fucking rich” syndrome. He blew loads of money making Slavia the clear no1 Czech club. Which was quite a result given that he actually owns Sparta🤣
Levy said Spurs had no obligation to keep the running track and wanted to develop Crystal Palace as a stand alone 30k athletics only stadium, which made West Ham focus on keeping it (or something like that!)
I'm sure @PragueAddick can remember it better than me.
But no, they can't remove the athletics track, Seb Coe said Spurs couldn't do it. So not sure how West ham would have licence to do it.
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They should of allowed Crystal Palace to redevelop the Park with a running track and with a suitable design that would allow temporary seating for grand occasions like the odd world athletics championship we will get to host now and again. It would\could of been vile.
The Olympic stadium should have been sold off after the games. Its not very likely we'll get to host another games in London anytime soon. With it out of the way West Ham could have built a fabulous stadium in the Olympics Park that would have still hosted many events generated a great deal of cash. But certain parties got obsessed with impractical ideas and designs whilst not wanting another Olympic white elephant which isn't too far from what has happened. Other parties saw a chance to make money and they did, we all paid for it and continue to do so.
As for West Ham redeveloping the site\ground, I doubt thats no more than talk to distract the fan base from their current plight. Great if they pay for it.2 -
There are plans afoot to redevelop the Crystal Palace National Sports Centre, but I don't think it can ever be a World class Athletics stadium again. I believe the absolute max capacity could (possibly) be 25,000, but the infrastructure around the area couldn't possibly match that of the London Stadium.
https://www.morgansindallconstruction.com/our-projects/live-projects/cpnsc/0 -
Amanda Staveley looking.1
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Putting a sports investment fund together having left Newcastle a few years ago.iaitch said:
Nice? Horrible? Please elaborate.Cafc451 said:Amanda Staveley looking.https://spearswms.com/wealth/is-football-financier-amanda-staveley-preparing-a-bid-for-west-ham/
I had a chat with the senior partner of a law firm I looked after a few years ago. He’d acted for a client against Staveley and won, but there was absolutely no respect for her at all as a person. She’s made a very lucrative career for herself introducing rich people to each other.1
