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  • AberystwythAddick
    AberystwythAddick Posts: 2,148
    fenaddick said:
    21cws said:
    It’s all excuses for me. Also saying we need to give all players minutes, really don’t. Give minutes to who’s in your plan!!!!
    And what happens if those in his plan get injured or suspended? Would you then want to rely on players who weren’t match fit?
    What happens if that occurs two months into the season? His starting team need to play together. This is the opportunity prior to the season starting. We should not be using our last pre season game to get minutes into legs, it should be a coherent performance with a bit of energy. 
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 15,183
    edited August 1
    shine166 said:
    Sword65pf said:
    shine166 said:
    Bipolar life in full flow again, we were looking great after last week's friendly. Now it’s all doom and gloom again. 
    We looked ok for a half, considering the game prior that wasn’t difficult.Our biggest issue is in a position we haven’t got replaced yet, can’t see anything wrong with people’s concerns until this problem is solved.
    I agree, just shouldnt let the highs get you too high and the lows too low. 

    If the high was.losing 2-0 to AFCW in last weeks friendly that shouldn't be too difficult. 🤣
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 21,648
    edited August 1
    21cws said:
    fenaddick said:
    21cws said:
    It’s all excuses for me. Also saying we need to give all players minutes, really don’t. Give minutes to who’s in your plan!!!!
    And what happens if those in his plan get injured or suspended? Would you then want to rely on players who weren’t match fit?
    Oh please with smart answers. Last friendly before season starts and he’s still changing the whole 11. What we doing next week when we can only make 5 subs? No one is getting close to 80/90 mins. What great match fitness they are going to have. 
    That just isn’t true. People played 75/80 against Colchester. Ask a question, get answers. You can’t complain about someone answering your question just because you don’t like the answer!
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 21,648
    edited August 1
    AberystwythAddick said:
    fenaddick said:
    21cws said:
    It’s all excuses for me. Also saying we need to give all players minutes, really don’t. Give minutes to who’s in your plan!!!!
    And what happens if those in his plan get injured or suspended? Would you then want to rely on players who weren’t match fit?
    What happens if that occurs two months into the season? His starting team need to play together. This is the opportunity prior to the season starting. We should not be using our last pre season game to get minutes into legs, it should be a coherent performance with a bit of energy. 
    We might not like it but as it stands that was a team who are likely to play together. Kaminski, Jones, Koumetio, Knibbs, Grant and TC are highly likely to play. As is one of Doc/Coventry. It might be concerning but that’s 7 out of your starting 11 there 
  • Fanny Fanackapan
    Fanny Fanackapan Posts: 19,412
    Maybe controversial but I'd swap young Lisbie with TC any day...

    Hate dissing our own but, sadly,  today I was even more disappointed than usual with Tyreece. 
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 2,705
    Fanny Fanackapan said:
    Maybe controversial but I'd swap young Lisbie with TC any day...

    Hate dissing our own but, sadly,  today I was even more disappointed than usual with Tyreece. 
    Let’s dig out TC for not performing out of his natural position but ignore doc and cov getting pocketed by a solo Reading midfielder 
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,503
    AberystwythAddick said:
    fenaddick said:
    21cws said:
    It’s all excuses for me. Also saying we need to give all players minutes, really don’t. Give minutes to who’s in your plan!!!!
    And what happens if those in his plan get injured or suspended? Would you then want to rely on players who weren’t match fit?
    What happens if that occurs two months into the season? His starting team need to play together. This is the opportunity prior to the season starting. We should not be using our last pre season game to get minutes into legs, it should be a coherent performance with a bit of energy. 
    I noted that he didn’t mention minutes into legs at all.
    He was disappointed with a disjointed pre season, late signings and illness. IMO I think he shares our frustration at not being able to play a team ready to start the season.

  • Sword65pf
    Sword65pf Posts: 2,534
    Crispywood said:
    Fanny Fanackapan said:
    Maybe controversial but I'd swap young Lisbie with TC any day...

    Hate dissing our own but, sadly,  today I was even more disappointed than usual with Tyreece. 
    Let’s dig out TC for not performing out of his natural position but ignore doc and cov getting pocketed by a solo Reading midfielder 
    Is TC not right footed, and is he a winger? Are we saying he specifically an inverted winger, if so he’s a luxury.
  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 17,575
    TC’s preferred position is left wing. So it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me to buy two further options for the left then force our best young player to swap sides to accommodate them. Be careful what we wish for here because TC is presently our top creative outlet by far. 
  • jose
    jose Posts: 1,783
    edited August 2
    This dreary pre season is happening, but one of our best fittest and fastest players across the piece has been Tyreece Campbell.
    I know pre season is whatever it is but the players that have given me some encouragement have been:

    Campbell
    Jones
    Koumetio
    Burke
    Ramsay
    Chalobah (bit early to really judge)
    Leaburn
    McNamara
    Sichenje (brief cameo yesterday)
    Knibbs (OK, not our saviour)
    Mwamba
    Godden (good to see him back)

    All the players still have some work to do, but speaking purely personally the list above are those I think are having a proper pre season.

    If we survive in this division by one goal next season I will be satisfied.

    edit.
    Grant also.

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  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 8,401
    jose said:
    This dreary pre season is happening, but one of our best fittest and fastest players across the piece has been Tyreece Campbell.
    I know pre season is whatever it is but the players that have given me some encouragement have been:

    Campbell
    Jones
    Koumetio
    Burke
    Ramsay
    Chalobah (bit early to really judge)
    Leaburn
    McNamara
    Sichenje (brief cameo yesterday)
    Knibbs (OK, not our saviour)
    Mwamba
    Godden (good to see him back)

    All the players still have some work to do, but speaking purely personally the list above are those I think are having a proper pre season.

    If we survive in this division by one goal next season I will be satisfied.
    Always respect your football knowledge,  but surely Grant should be on your list?
  • jose
    jose Posts: 1,783
    bolloxbolder said:
    jose said:
    This dreary pre season is happening, but one of our best fittest and fastest players across the piece has been Tyreece Campbell.
    I know pre season is whatever it is but the players that have given me some encouragement have been:

    Campbell
    Jones
    Koumetio
    Burke
    Ramsay
    Chalobah (bit early to really judge)
    Leaburn
    McNamara
    Sichenje (brief cameo yesterday)
    Knibbs (OK, not our saviour)
    Mwamba
    Godden (good to see him back)

    All the players still have some work to do, but speaking purely personally the list above are those I think are having a proper pre season.

    If we survive in this division by one goal next season I will be satisfied.
    Always respect your football knowledge,  but surely Grant should be on your list?
    Yes. Grant certainly. I forgot him but he would certainly count as having a good pre season.
    Apologies.
  • daveydanger
    daveydanger Posts: 1,419
    I’m a bit unsure what Jones means about preseason disruption or being “disjointed” 
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 2,705
    daveydanger said:
    I’m a bit unsure what Jones means about preseason disruption or being “disjointed” 
    - Transfers coming in late 
    - Players like Grant/Alli playing catch up w no pre season 
    - Players not being fully fit for the start of pre season (Edwards/Sichenje/Apter/Mbick/Godden/Doc/ kelman - all injured prior/during pre season) 
    - Coventry and Carey suffering from illness 


  • Kap10
    Kap10 Posts: 15,886
    Crispywood said:
    daveydanger said:
    I’m a bit unsure what Jones means about preseason disruption or being “disjointed” 
    - Transfers coming in late 
    - Players like Grant/Alli playing catch up w no pre season 
    - Players not being fully fit for the start of pre season (Edwards/Sichenje/Apter/Mbick/Godden/Doc/ kelman - all injured prior/during pre season) 
    - Coventry and Carey suffering from illness 


    Apart from that?
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 29,464
    Suddenly everyone's a fitness and conditioning expert. 
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 51,640
    I think Jones looked slightly shell shocked and embarrassed yesterday. I suspect he’ll be doing a lot of thinking this week.
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 32,272
    Fanny Fanackapan said:
    Maybe controversial but I'd swap young Lisbie with TC any day...

    Hate dissing our own but, sadly,  today I was even more disappointed than usual with Tyreece. 
    Young Lisbie is nearly 50! Born 1978
  • CaptainRobbo
    CaptainRobbo Posts: 2,587
    LenGlover said:
    Fanny Fanackapan said:
    Maybe controversial but I'd swap young Lisbie with TC any day...

    Hate dissing our own but, sadly,  today I was even more disappointed than usual with Tyreece. 
    Young Lisbie is nearly 50! Born 1978
    Still only looks about 28 though.
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 6,410
    CaptainRobbo said:
    LenGlover said:
    Fanny Fanackapan said:
    Maybe controversial but I'd swap young Lisbie with TC any day...

    Hate dissing our own but, sadly,  today I was even more disappointed than usual with Tyreece. 
    Young Lisbie is nearly 50! Born 1978
    Still only looks about 28 though.
    Kev was a real talent - pace, balance and skill in abundance. Had a good career but he could have been even better .  

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  • Gillis
    Gillis Posts: 1,116
    CaptainRobbo said:
    LenGlover said:
    Fanny Fanackapan said:
    Maybe controversial but I'd swap young Lisbie with TC any day...

    Hate dissing our own but, sadly,  today I was even more disappointed than usual with Tyreece. 
    Young Lisbie is nearly 50! Born 1978
    Still only looks about 28 though.
    I want to know where Super Kev is hiding his fountain of youth. Or maybe there's a picture of him in an attic somewhere? He somehow looks younger than his own sons.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 24,305
    Weegie Addick said:
    TC’s preferred position is left wing. So it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me to buy two further options for the left then force our best young player to swap sides to accommodate them. Be careful what we wish for here because TC is presently our top creative outlet by far. 

    Is TC's preferred position Left Wing ?

    Has anyone asked him ?

    We only really see his pace when he plays on his natural side on the right. Twice he went past the Left defender and put in decent crosses but Godden wasn't particularly Sharp yesterday.
    On a good day he can do the inverse wing play on the left where he will mainly try to cut in on his stronger right foot. That isn't great for our players in the box who want a cross to run on to.

    With Grant who's looking like he will have the left side attacking role, TC should probably start on the bench and he can cover either flank depending on the state of the game.
    Alli seems more two footed than TC so I can see him playing on either wing. 
  • daveydanger
    daveydanger Posts: 1,419
    Crispywood said:
    daveydanger said:
    I’m a bit unsure what Jones means about preseason disruption or being “disjointed” 
    - Transfers coming in late 
    - Players like Grant/Alli playing catch up w no pre season 
    - Players not being fully fit for the start of pre season (Edwards/Sichenje/Apter/Mbick/Godden/Doc/ kelman - all injured prior/during pre season) 
    - Coventry and Carey suffering from illness 


    Yeah that’s what I mean - a week to go and Jones has suddenly started with this narrative. None of those points feel new or like some massive surprise that would mess up our pre-season. 

    Sure, some players have been injured for months and we’re building them up. Ok someone got the shits before the reading game, and yes we’ve been slow to sign Grant/Alli/whoever… but he’d previously said signings would be a slow burn this summer.

    I’m a Jones fan, just feels a bit flimsy or wonder if there’s more to what he means.


  • Addicksi
    Addicksi Posts: 335
    Was the keeping powder dry comment an effort to press the owners to offer more financial support. 
  • Valiantphil
    Valiantphil Posts: 6,499
    daveydanger said:
    I’m a bit unsure what Jones means about preseason disruption or being “disjointed” 
    He means we are going to be shit and in a relegation fight all season. 
    Just getting his excuses in early that’s all. 
  • Valiantphil
    Valiantphil Posts: 6,499
    Addicksi said:
    Was the keeping powder dry comment an effort to press the owners to offer more financial support. 
    There is none. 
    They went with his picks last season, and are reluctant to buy more crap. 
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 24,305
    Nathan is definitely sounding quite downbeat compared to this time last season with players either injured, under cooked or ill and saying we are doing our business late reeks of frustration.

    I haven't read any of the post match comments after the Reading match because after 14 years you know what the regulars are going to say even though it was a pre season match with no points at stake.

    I have seen Valliant Phil two posts above and that's depressing enough !
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 28,091
    It’s almost like we are second favourites to be relegated 
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 2,705
    soapboxsam said:
    Weegie Addick said:
    TC’s preferred position is left wing. So it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me to buy two further options for the left then force our best young player to swap sides to accommodate them. Be careful what we wish for here because TC is presently our top creative outlet by far. 

    Is TC's preferred position Left Wing ?

    Has anyone asked him ?

    We only really see his pace when he plays on his natural side on the right. Twice he went past the Left defender and put in decent crosses but Godden wasn't particularly Sharp yesterday.
    On a good day he can do the inverse wing play on the left where he will mainly try to cut in on his stronger right foot. That isn't great for our players in the box who want a cross to run on to.

    With Grant who's looking like he will have the left side attacking role, TC should probably start on the bench and he can cover either flank depending on the state of the game.
    Alli seems more two footed than TC so I can see him playing on either wing. 

    Yh tbf didn’t see TC use his pace once last season. Must have dreamed all the times we forced the ball to him during every attack when we Weren’t pumping the ball 50 yards 
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 51,640
    We’ll find out soon enough but I’m thinking that this window is proving to be a lot more challenging than Jones and Chappell envisaged. 

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