I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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People liking this, is the general consensus that we have got a load of incapable shit players?, surely we’ve seen most of them play well at some point to look at the bigger picture, tactics for one, confidence, our play just seems so stifled.LittleAddick said:NJ getting sacked doesn't solve anything, we haven't got the players to play 'good football' at this level1 -
IMO I think every player at every level can have flashes of class. But true class is consistent. Unfortunately we're all over the shop.Sword65pf said:
People liking this, is the general consensus that we have got a load of incapable shit players?, surely we’ve seen most of them play well at some point to look at the bigger picture, tactics for one, confidence, our play just seems so stifled.LittleAddick said:NJ getting sacked doesn't solve anything, we haven't got the players to play 'good football' at this level
The players are individuals and should know the basics of how to play football and score goals... is that unrealistic?0 -
Just wish we even attempted to play better football, its a eyesore how we set up0
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Just for arguments sake, if we sacked Jones and hired an absolute magician, who got the very most out of this squad of players, how high do you think they could finish? What do we think is the general consensus on this squads ability?Sword65pf said:
People liking this, is the general consensus that we have got a load of incapable shit players?, surely we’ve seen most of them play well at some point to look at the bigger picture, tactics for one, confidence, our play just seems so stifled.LittleAddick said:NJ getting sacked doesn't solve anything, we haven't got the players to play 'good football' at this level0 -
No need for a manager then?Dazzler21 said:
IMO I think every player at every level can have flashes of class. But true class is consistent. Unfortunately we're all over the shop.Sword65pf said:
People liking this, is the general consensus that we have got a load of incapable shit players?, surely we’ve seen most of them play well at some point to look at the bigger picture, tactics for one, confidence, our play just seems so stifled.LittleAddick said:NJ getting sacked doesn't solve anything, we haven't got the players to play 'good football' at this level
The players are individuals and should know the basics of how to play football and score goals... is that unrealistic?0 -
Even players like Hector played well at one point every player is capable of a good game.Sword65pf said:
People liking this, is the general consensus that we have got a load of incapable shit players?, surely we’ve seen most of them play well at some point to look at the bigger picture, tactics for one, confidence, our play just seems so stifled.LittleAddick said:NJ getting sacked doesn't solve anything, we haven't got the players to play 'good football' at this level
Midfield options
skipp- Struggled at Leceister
Ouma- discipline issues + nothing promising
Mwamba- 19 years old
Chalobah- Can’t stay fit
JRC- wasn’t wanted at Blackburn
Coventry- only us and Sheffield Wednesday interested when he was available
Carey- Blackpool fans said he is massively inconsistent
Forward Line
apter- out for season
grant- West Brom fans wanted him out
Alli- Called crap by Pompey and Luton
Leaburn- Highest level he’s played at
Godden- Can’t stay fit
Nkeng- 19
Mbick- 19
Is the team better what than they are producing absolutely but Kelman and Knibbs is the only players i can confidently look at like TC last season and think they have much better ability than what theyre displaying under Jones.
They are Jones signings and you can 100% hold him and the recruitment team responsible but sacking him, their is a very low ceiling for the quality this team can produce
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If they came out and sacked him, which I don’t think they will purely because they won’t want to pay for it, as I think they are bailing out and given up on us, NJ would probably say first and foremost how he wasn’t backed this season and he got all he could through the door. Can’t help thinking we don’t know the full story or we’ve been spun plenty of bullshit. NJ just doesn’t seem to have the trust in a lot of squad to play forward attacking football or he just can’t coach a side to do so?, not sure which?🤷🏻♂️Crispywood said:
Even players like Hector played well at one point every player is capable of a good game.Sword65pf said:
People liking this, is the general consensus that we have got a load of incapable shit players?, surely we’ve seen most of them play well at some point to look at the bigger picture, tactics for one, confidence, our play just seems so stifled.LittleAddick said:NJ getting sacked doesn't solve anything, we haven't got the players to play 'good football' at this level
Midfield options
skipp- Struggled at Leceister
Ouma- discipline issues + nothing promising
Mwamba- 19 years old
Chalobah- Can’t stay fit
JRC- wasn’t wanted at Blackburn
Coventry- only us and Sheffield Wednesday interested when he was available
Carey- Blackpool fans said he is massively inconsistent
Forward Line
apter- out for season
grant- West Brom fans wanted him out
Alli- Called crap by Pompey and Luton
Leaburn- Highest level he’s played at
Godden- Can’t stay fit
Nkeng- 19
Mbick- 19
Is the team better what than they are producing absolutely but Kelman and Knibbs is the only players i can confidently look at like TC last season and think they have much better ability than what theyre displaying under Jones.
They are Jones signings and you can 100% hold him and the recruitment team responsible but sacking him, their is a very low ceiling for the quality this team can produce0 -
With a net spend of just 1.5m this summer what exactly did people expect we were going to get? That sort of spending gets you one thing, a relegation battle. Yes NJ has made mistakes and sometimes team selection and tactics baffle me but he’s operating with what he has, a poor unbalanced squad.
Oh, and basically that 1.5m spend was on Alli, who is poor. How long before Nkeng gets a look in?1 -
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Still waiting for a Jones outer to actually name a realistic replacement that’s better…NabySarr said:Seeing a lot of Jones out. Who do people think we can attract that’s a better manager than Jones? Only suggestion I’ve seen is Scott Parker which is laughableWe are not an attractive proposition, we have one of the worst squads and lowest budgets in the league. Do you really think there’s any managers out there that would be better and actually want to join?
Who would you suggest? There has to be one that fits the bill, you clearly know your football.
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But this isn’t a strong squad. Another season where we have one of the worst midfields in the league and our strikers wouldn’t start for any other team in the league.DubaiCAFC said:Not sure many want Jones to go, but people are frustrated because this is a strong squad, just feels like being aloud to go and play. Also they don’t know if they are attacking or defensive at the moment. Caught in between. It is a worry at the moment.. Watford and Burnley are poor, low in confidence and we got 1 point and never really had a go at them. If we go at them, get an early goal it could been a few goals and we could have kicked on.
He needs to get this low budget thing out of his head and believe in the playersOur ownership stumbled upon a miracle worker in Jones. He can’t continue to perform when he doesn’t get backed.3 -
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'One of' is being generous.J BLOCK said:
But this isn’t a strong squad. Another season where we have one of the worst midfields in the league and our strikers wouldn’t start for any other team in the league.DubaiCAFC said:Not sure many want Jones to go, but people are frustrated because this is a strong squad, just feels like being aloud to go and play. Also they don’t know if they are attacking or defensive at the moment. Caught in between. It is a worry at the moment.. Watford and Burnley are poor, low in confidence and we got 1 point and never really had a go at them. If we go at them, get an early goal it could been a few goals and we could have kicked on.
He needs to get this low budget thing out of his head and believe in the playersOur ownership stumbled upon a miracle worker in Jones. He can’t continue to perform when he doesn’t get backed.1 -
A good friend of mine (who used to be Jude Bellingham's agent before his move to Real Madrid) is best mates with an ageing goalkeeper we tried to sign at the start of our League One promotion season (not Begovic). I asked him at the time why said goalkeeper didn't sign, his answer was that the guy had a phone call with NJ, and came away thinking he was a bit of an "idiot".At the time (with my rose tinted glasses on), I wondered if the player was just looking for a paycheck, and wasn't willing to roll up his sleeves, so took it as a positive. I'm starting to think the player might have been right. This whole anti-football/try to nick a win culture probably has a ceiling, and I would suggest that ceiling is League One. Maybe it's the club that has to evolve, not the manager.0
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My neighbour (who works as Cristiano Ronaldo's make up artist) agrees with your mate.EveryDayAddick said:A good friend of mine (who used to be Jude Bellingham's agent before his move to Real Madrid) is best mates with an ageing goalkeeper we tried to sign at the start of our League One promotion season (not Begovic). I asked him at the time why said goalkeeper didn't sign, his answer was that the guy had a phone call with NJ, and came away thinking he was a bit of an "idiot".At the time (with my rose tinted glasses on), I wondered if the player was just looking for a paycheck, and wasn't willing to roll up his sleeves, so took it as a positive. I'm starting to think the player might have been right. This whole anti-football/try to nick a win culture probably has a ceiling, and I would suggest that ceiling is League One. Maybe it's the club that has to evolve, not the manager.0 -
I don't believe this squad is as bad as some are making out. We have seen at times there are some 'players' there. To me, it's down to how they are being told to play. And they, like us, know it's not working.
That's on Jones.0 -
Surely he didn’t choose to spend £20k per week on Skipp , although the alleged last spend of £20k a week was on Kaminski so maybe but no we’re skint and we didn’t spend or waste any money on Ahadme, Olaofe , Apter, Alli, Kelman, Knibbs , JRC .
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The problem is that he’s inherently unlikeable , the football is dire and therefore when the results go too, there’s less goodwill than there might otherwise be for someone that took us up and kept us there . Nobody would do a lot better than he’s doing with a midfield that can neither run nor passFishCostaFortune said:
I’m not defending him, I wouldn’t care if they sacked him tonight.DennisBooth said:
For someone who is not defending him. You are doing a great job of defending him. Jones out. But it is not going to happen.FishCostaFortune said:
Based on what? We could be bottom of the table with no wins and -12 goal difference.oohaahmortimer said:
Be hard pushed for anyone to do any worse as wellFishCostaFortune said:Team with one of the lowest budgets in the league play like team with one of the lowest budgets in the league.
Not saying Jones tactics or management are helping, but who seriously thinks anyone is going to really do any better with what we have?
Again not defending Jones but we have to face up to the reality that our squad, for this level, is so so poor.Thats what the budget we have has given us.I honestly don’t see anyone coming in and being able to change that.
But I’ve also got the ability to look past the person and realise that our issues are far deeper than him.
Shame others just seem to kid themselves that everything would all of a sudden be different/better.0
