I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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The NJ thing I don’t like is his subs. They’re often late and too many players at once which causes us to lose all structure completely and the last 15/20 mins just becomes chaos2
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Maybe we need to spend our peanuts better ? When you start players from your promotion campaign, but none that you signed 12 months ago, youre definitely spending badly. We signed 17 players last season and not a single one of them were in yesterday's starting 11.ns9 said:
But in that time he’s kept us up, got us promoted and kept us up in the Championship so it has obviously worked to a much greater extent than it hasn’t. I do agree that our recruitment since getting promoted has been way off, but in relative terms we are spending absolute peanutsshine166 said:
Let's not attempt to put Jones at fault for any of this, hes only had 8 transfer windows to recruit his own players.oohaahmortimer said:Surely he didn’t choose to spend £20k per week on Skipp , although the alleged last spend of £20k a week was on Kaminski so maybe but no we’re skint and we didn’t spend or waste any money on Ahadme, Olaofe , Apter, Alli, Kelman, Knibbs , JRC .
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This is what does it for me. Spent all the money poorly. After every window trots out the we’ve improved in quality but then doesn’t play the players he’s brought in.shine166 said:
Maybe we need to spend out peanuts better ? When you start players from your promotion campaign, but none that you signed 12 months ago, youre definitely spending badly. We signed 17 players last season and not a single one of them were in yesterday's starting 11.ns9 said:
But in that time he’s kept us up, got us promoted and kept us up in the Championship so it has obviously worked to a much greater extent than it hasn’t. I do agree that our recruitment since getting promoted has been way off, but in relative terms we are spending absolute peanutsshine166 said:
Let's not attempt to put Jones at fault for any of this, hes only had 8 transfer windows to recruit his own players.oohaahmortimer said:Surely he didn’t choose to spend £20k per week on Skipp , although the alleged last spend of £20k a week was on Kaminski so maybe but no we’re skint and we didn’t spend or waste any money on Ahadme, Olaofe , Apter, Alli, Kelman, Knibbs , JRC .
All well and good saying he’s not been backed. But why should the owners trust him with their money when he’s just thrown it away previously?4 -
But it’s Catch 22. Has he spent money poorly or has he been short changed so we’ve had to shop around and recruit the best from the league below hoping they can step up or those with dubious injury records hoping we can keep them fit. At no point have we bought an oven ready Championship quality player. It’s all well and good for Carter & co. to trot out we want to be the most sustainable elite level club blah blah ad infinitum and then not spend to get there in the first place. I’ll say it again, a net summer spend of 1.5m in this league gets you one thing, a relegation fight. And that isn’t NJ’s fault.AberystwythAddick said:
This is what does it for me. Spent all the money poorly. After every window trots out the we’ve improved in quality but then doesn’t play the players he’s brought in.shine166 said:
Maybe we need to spend out peanuts better ? When you start players from your promotion campaign, but none that you signed 12 months ago, youre definitely spending badly. We signed 17 players last season and not a single one of them were in yesterday's starting 11.ns9 said:
But in that time he’s kept us up, got us promoted and kept us up in the Championship so it has obviously worked to a much greater extent than it hasn’t. I do agree that our recruitment since getting promoted has been way off, but in relative terms we are spending absolute peanutsshine166 said:
Let's not attempt to put Jones at fault for any of this, hes only had 8 transfer windows to recruit his own players.oohaahmortimer said:Surely he didn’t choose to spend £20k per week on Skipp , although the alleged last spend of £20k a week was on Kaminski so maybe but no we’re skint and we didn’t spend or waste any money on Ahadme, Olaofe , Apter, Alli, Kelman, Knibbs , JRC .
All well and good saying he’s not been backed. But why should the owners trust him with their money when he’s just thrown it away previously?1 -
Agreed, altho i thought last season he did have a structure to his ‘finishers’ and it seemed to work. Now we it just seems like chaos, or maybe its chaos when we are chasing.fenaddick said:The NJ thing I don’t like is his subs. They’re often late and too many players at once which causes us to lose all structure completely and the last 15/20 mins just becomes chaos0 -
Would love to know how much was spent on the 17 incomings last season.LargeAddick said:
But it’s Catch 22. Has he spent money poorly or has he been short changed so we’ve had to shop around and recruit the best from the league below hoping they can step up or those with dubious injury records hoping we can keep them fit. At no point have we bought an oven ready Championship quality player. It’s all well and good for Carter & co. to trot out we want to be the most sustainable elite level club blah blah ad infinitum and then not spend to get there in the first place. I’ll say it again, a net summer spend of 1.5m in this league gets you one thing, a relegation fight. And that isn’t NJ’s fault.AberystwythAddick said:
This is what does it for me. Spent all the money poorly. After every window trots out the we’ve improved in quality but then doesn’t play the players he’s brought in.shine166 said:
Maybe we need to spend out peanuts better ? When you start players from your promotion campaign, but none that you signed 12 months ago, youre definitely spending badly. We signed 17 players last season and not a single one of them were in yesterday's starting 11.ns9 said:
But in that time he’s kept us up, got us promoted and kept us up in the Championship so it has obviously worked to a much greater extent than it hasn’t. I do agree that our recruitment since getting promoted has been way off, but in relative terms we are spending absolute peanutsshine166 said:
Let's not attempt to put Jones at fault for any of this, hes only had 8 transfer windows to recruit his own players.oohaahmortimer said:Surely he didn’t choose to spend £20k per week on Skipp , although the alleged last spend of £20k a week was on Kaminski so maybe but no we’re skint and we didn’t spend or waste any money on Ahadme, Olaofe , Apter, Alli, Kelman, Knibbs , JRC .
All well and good saying he’s not been backed. But why should the owners trust him with their money when he’s just thrown it away previously?0 -
Got to be honest - and I'm a Jonesy fan - it did seem at times during the transfer windows, that he (or they) were a bit like kids in a toy shop, with a couple of bags burning a hole in their back pockets. There were players coming in who individually seemed to have pedigree, but there didn't seem to be any clear direction in terms of what they were trying to achieve with them. Was it just a bit of a free-for-all, trying to “improve” every area of the squad without any real overall plan?
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I don’t get why this always the automatic response to anyone who questions Nathan Jones.Dazzler21 said:I don't really get why after the last 20 years people think we can attract better.
Who have we had that has been a genuinely good manager since Curbishley left? Powell? Bowyer?0 -
If only people who want NJ out give a name to replace him …. Not seen one name so that must mean there is no one who would be an upgrade on Jones and get the club like he does … …. People need to remember it’s only 11 games into the season .. we only lost 3 games all season, and we are still only 3 points from top 8 … …2
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I have bitten.RonnieMoore said:If only people who want NJ out give a name to replace him …. Not seen one name so that must mean there is no one who would be an upgrade on Jones and get the club like he does … …. People need to remember it’s only 11 games into the season .. we only lost 3 games all season, and we are still only 3 points from top 8 … …
For sake of argument and he gets sacked. Who would you appoint?0 -
Reading these threads, there are many varied and interesting ideas about how to structure the team in order to try to get the best out of them, to play better football and create more chances.
But Jones seems extremely reluctant to change tactics despite it being glaringly obviously to virtually everyone that we need to change.
I'm pretty sure that Curbs was a manager with strong convictions, but he would regularly consult with Mervyn Day.
I've never seen Jones and Fleming in deep discussion. I'm wondering whether he is getting any suggestions, or ideas, from his staff or is it that they don't bother, because he won't listen to advice!0 -
Happens multiple times a game.queensland_addick said:Reading these threads, there are many varied and interesting ideas about how to structure the team in order to try to get the best out of them, to play better football and create more chances.
But Jones seems extremely reluctant to change tactics despite it being glaringly obviously to virtually everyone that we need to change.
I'm pretty sure that Curbs was a manager with strong convictions, but he would regularly consult with Mervyn Day.
I've never seen Jones and Fleming in deep discussion. I'm wondering whether he is getting any suggestions, or ideas, from his staff or is it that they don't bother, because he won't listen to advice!
It's very easy for us to come up with theories but we don't see the players in training, don't know enough about our opponents and don't have to work out how to coach the players.
If you've done something in your job the same way for 2 and a half years it will take you time to adjust to a new way of doing things. If your boss then decided 6 weeks in they wanted you to do a hybrid of the two you'd find that confusing. The problem is, if NJ keeps doing the same thing we'll keep not winning.0 -
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I have bitten.RonnieMoore said:If only people who want NJ out give a name to replace him …. Not seen one name so that must mean there is no one who would be an upgrade on Jones and get the club like he does … …. People need to remember it’s only 11 games into the season .. we only lost 3 games all season, and we are still only 3 points from top 8 … …
For sake of argument and he gets sacked. Who would you appoint?2 -
If for example the choices were to:MeerKat said:
Just for arguments sake, if we sacked Jones and hired an absolute magician, who got the very most out of this squad of players, how high do you think they could finish? What do we think is the general consensus on this squads ability?Sword65pf said:
People liking this, is the general consensus that we have got a load of incapable shit players?, surely we’ve seen most of them play well at some point to look at the bigger picture, tactics for one, confidence, our play just seems so stifled.LittleAddick said:NJ getting sacked doesn't solve anything, we haven't got the players to play 'good football' at this level
a) plod along with Jones like we are playing dire football and nicking the odd result here and finish 19th.
b) play some decent football with a new manager, go into games with intent to win rather than not to lose and finish 16th.
Most people would prefer option B.
I don't think anyone would suddenly expect us to gatecrash the play offs just because we had a new manager, we know that our squad isn't good enough for that. But i would think that most people are just sick of the terrible football we play week in week out.
That said, whenever we've had a sticky patch before Jones has turned it around, so i hope yesterday was a big wake up call and we actually see some changes in tactics and personnel next week and things improve.0 -
Don't fall into the trap, I have done it previously and he pulls it out the bag. In Jones I trust.0
