Premier League 25/26

Chris_from_Sidcup

JohnBoyUK

bobmunro said:

Croydon said:

MarcusH26 said:

Be interesting to see what happens with Wolves now they're relegated. Feels like the owners have got a bit bored and it's not really a squad that I would expect to bounce back. Signing Adam Armstrong in Jan was pretty much an admittance they knew they were down. 

I think they'll win the championship at a canter next season

I think Spurs might have a say in that.

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

Anyone who thinks Spurs wouldn't go straight back up is crazy. Of course they will lose players and have to reshape their squad but they will be able to massively outspend the rest of the division. 

This is a division that has Millwall in an automatic promotion spot with 2 games to go, and people think Spurs wouldn't go up, seriously? 

killerandflash said:

Spurs would have to drastically rebuild their squad for the Championship,  whereas a team like Burnley already have a Championship promotion squad. 
An interesting decision for Burnley over Parker.  Parker had a poor season in the PL, but has an excellent track record in the Championship and is the sort of manager you'd hire to get you promoted!

I'll answer all 3 of these in one go.

IF we go down, I don't think we'll come straight back up as a matter of course for a number of reasons.

Unlike Burnley and Wolves, they won't have to make wholesale changes to their squad where as we'll have 15-16 players going out the door you would think.

We'll be facing a huge reduction in income, we've got to clear the player trading deficit, so the money made from a firesale will likely not be reinvested in the playing squad.

Lets be honest, ENIC are well known for not putting their own money in.  They've only recently put 2 x £100m (share issue, increasing their share holding) because the cash flow position has been poor.  They hadn't pumped any of their own money in during their previous 24 years of ownership, something I've banged on about with every other Spurs fan for years.  Of course, the stadium will continue to generate income but that'll be lining ENIC's pockets rather than THFC.  ENIC couldn't give a flying f*ck about the club.

I'm imagining 15-16 out the door (bare minimum), bring back the loan players - Moore (Rangers), Takai (Borussia Monchengladbach), Ashley Phillips (Stoke), Alfie Devine (PNE), Will Lankshear (WBA), Dane Scarlett (Hibs), jamie Donley (Oxford) integrate some of the talented youngsters, Byfield, Oluesi and especially Luca Williams-Barnett who already looks like he should be in and around the first team and then maybe bring in a few experienced players.

They may gel, they may not.  But I'd rather Spurs take a punt on the youth that we have been developing and throw in some experience to help them.




  

Chris_from_Sidcup

I think a relegation would panic them into spending. They would have to spend money or watch the club stay in the Championship and lose value.

Let's say you make 300m from sales, even if you invested just 80-100m of that back into the squad you'd still be massively outspending the rest of the division.

1 year in the Championship obviously isn't great for a club of Spurs' size but bouncing straight back isn't a complete disaster. Any longer stuck there would be.

JohnBoyUK

Maybe you're right Chris, maybe you are.  I'd like to think they'd treat getting back up as the ultimate priority, it'll be the proof in the pudding that they actually have THFC's best interests at heart.  I guess we'll find out soon.

One thing that I'm not sure of is the Championship's PSR equivalent rules.  Isn't there something like wages have to be a maximum % of turnover or something like that?  Obviously our wages/turnover ratio is ridiculously low in the PL, because of the income, but cut that income, that ratio increases.

Chris_from_Sidcup

Championship clubs are allowed to lose a maximum of £39 million over a three year cycle, but i'm honestly not sure what the rules are if you go straight back up as the Premier league loss limit is £105m.

fenaddick

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

Championship clubs are allowed to lose a maximum of £39 million over a three year cycle, but i'm honestly not sure what the rules are if you go straight back up as the Premier league loss limit is £105m.

This is where Leicester fell foul right? They got caught in between the two?

EugenesAxe

JohnBoyUK said:

Maybe you're right Chris, maybe you are.  I'd like to think they'd treat getting back up as the ultimate priority, it'll be the proof in the pudding that they actually have THFC's best interests at heart.  I guess we'll find out soon.

One thing that I'm not sure of is the Championship's PSR equivalent rules.  Isn't there something like wages have to be a maximum % of turnover or something like that?  Obviously our wages/turnover ratio is ridiculously low in the PL, because of the income, but cut that income, that ratio increases.

Yes it's where Disney FC got round it with their film sponsorship.

EugenesAxe

killerandflash

To be fair to Wrexham, there's nothing dodgy about their commercial income. They're not being sponsored ludicrous sums by a company related to the owner, as a means of getting around the rules.

Instead they're getting loads of money and publicity from a popular TV show, and giant companies wanting to be associated with their success. Their shirt sponsors in recent years have been the sort of household name American companies you'd expect to be on a Premier League side, not a L1/L2 one.

EugenesAxe

killerandflash said:

To be fair to Wrexham, there's nothing dodgy about their commercial income. They're not being sponsored ludicrous sums by a company related to the owner, as a means of getting around the rules.

Instead they're getting loads of money and publicity from a popular TV show, and giant companies wanting to be associated with their success. Their shirt sponsors in recent years have been the sort of household name American companies you'd expect to be on a Premier League side, not a L1/L2 one.

I suppose the key term here is connected, or related, Ryan Reynolds is certainly connected to Disney, he's got multiple ties and deals with Disney through his own production company. I'm not suggesting there's anything untoward, but its (Wrexham) certainly not a relationship that was struck out of nowhere and from Disney just really wanting to be involved with a lower league English football team.