MATCH THREAD [+POST P 28]: Charlton Athletic v Chelsea: FA Cup Round 3: Sat 10th Jan 2025

Lincsaddick

1-5 flatters Chelsea and doesn't reflect the game as a whole
With 'the mist rolling in from the Thames', this was a lesson in what £Hundreds of Millions spent on players gets you ..
pace, skill, great goal scoring and a solid defence

No-one should feel downhearted after this game

Gisappointed

I'm not sure they demonstrated a solid defence. Leaburn had them on toast, even for pace, but just didn't get enough service. And their five should have seen red.

Then a different game.

follett

Haven’t read the whole thread so apologies if this has already been posted. Made me laugh, he’s nearly level with the taker 

Sword65pf

Gisappointed said:

I'm not sure they demonstrated a solid defence. Leaburn had them on toast, even for pace, but just didn't get enough service. And their five should have seen red.

Then a different game.

Was even more frustrating when30seconds later Doc got a yellow for a similar offence.

golfaddick

Chunes said:

Think the crowd broke the record last night for the fastest ever rendition of Valley Floyd Road. 

And I have no clue what makes them sing it so fast (and dont say a sniff or two of charlie). 

Chris_from_Sidcup

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

Huge gulf in class but 3-1 flattered Chelsea.

Did you leave early?

CAFCTrev

"4 time playoff winners, youll never sing that...."

Baldybonce

golfaddick said:

Chunes said:

Think the crowd broke the record last night for the fastest ever rendition of Valley Floyd Road. 

And I have no clue what makes them sing it so fast (and dont say a sniff or two of charlie). 

It looked like the East stand was on fire at one time with the mist rolling in.

Sword65pf

follett said:

Haven’t read the whole thread so apologies if this has already been posted. Made me laugh, he’s nearly level with the taker 

Hadn’t seen that!!, The ref wasn’t in a great position to see it though!!😂

guinnessaddick

Sword65pf said:

follett said:

Haven’t read the whole thread so apologies if this has already been posted. Made me laugh, he’s nearly level with the taker 

Hadn’t seen that!!, The ref wasn’t in a great position to see it though!!😂

Apparently it’s ok.

RodneyCharltonTrotta

follett said:

Haven’t read the whole thread so apologies if this has already been posted. Made me laugh, he’s nearly level with the taker 

And he's not wearing shorts.

cabbles

Blucher said:

Major said:

Blucher said:

A disappointing evening. We were, unsurprisingly, outclassed by Chelsea but the final scoreline flattered them. Their second and third goals were very soft and the two in injury time, when we looked out on our feet, rubbed salt in the wounds. 

Leaburn had a fine match, as did Lloyd Jones and Bell, whose injury didn’t look good. I thought that young Keenan Gough also acquited himself well. 

Let’s hope we can get some reinforcements through the door in the next week or so, together with the return of at least some of the walking wounded. We are certainly going to need them with a series of demanding fixtures coming up.

Disappointing? It was Chelsea we played and the scoreline flattered them. What did you expect? 

What I expected was to give them more of a game - rather like Cardiff City did last month in the Carabao Cup. Do you think that was unrealistic ?

I think it was a disappointing result in terms of the scoreline, and I thought Kim Grant’s words resonated to some extent, but I think we win that game 1 in every 50 given the gulf in class, despite that being a lot of their ‘fringe’ players 

For me, NJ approached it like he does most of his games this season.  The opposition have the majority of the ball, we try to be compact, press and organised.  Tonight I saw no different except the level of opposition was far better than anything we’ve been used to.  I could be wrong, but was it only Bell starting that has played at the top level, maybe Coventry but I don’t think he saw much game time at West Ham.  

We could’ve gone for it more, been a bit less respectful of them being on the ball, but I don’t think it would’ve made much difference to the result.  For 45 minutes our game plan was holding up, we conceded at a crap time.  I thought the second goal was the killer personally, such poor timing and an unmarked player at the near post on a set piece.  We’ve then got a mountain to climb and I actually thought once we got back into it, we were trying to build on that momentum and got massively exposed on the counter.  

For me, the frustration lies in the scoreline.  Two late goals makes it look like we offered nothing, but we did, we just lack the quality going forward.  I don’t question NJ’s team selection or approach.  Comparatively speaking, it’s this approach that has got us this far, it’s still (arguably) working as we’re not marooned in the bottom three of the Championship and we compete in most if not all games.  

I was hopeful we could’ve done something going last night and enjoyed the atmosphere, but for some of us, we’ve never seen that quality of opposition in our lifetime, and for those of us that were lucky enough to experience the Prem years, it has changed so much in those 20 years.  

It’s got faster, more physical and the style of football is so different, the game has really progressed.  In that same time we’ve arguably gotten so much worse in where we are as a club and a team when you think of all the crap that’s happened.  We’ve only just found a bit of stability under Jones and these owners.  

I would’ve loved that small period just before we scored and after we scored to have been the catalyst for a famous night under the lights, but I feel even if we had kept it to 2-1 going into the last 15-20, then the likes of Estevao and Neto may have come on even earlier.  

Whatever way I try and play this back, I can’t see any other result.  We’d have needed a lot of good fortune for us to have gotten a result or push it closer than we did.  

We dust ourselves down for the priority now and fingers crossed we’ll be a team entering the 3rd round draw next year, that’s all that matters 

drawnablank

As expected, when out of possession we had a good structure and were very disciplined in the first half. They were brilliant in possession and we got deeper and deeper as the half went on, the opener was just a matter of time.

Second half we changed our out of possession shape to engage higher as well as being more adventurous when in possession. 2nd & 3rd goals have been mentioned loads, no idea what that set up was for the free kick and Doc is told by Lloydy to get the edge of the box as Garnacho drives forward, he didn’t! Apart from those two mad moments we gave a good account of ourselves against a top, top side.  

Leaburn was brilliant, he’s continuing his progress weekly and that performance will give him loads of confidence. So pleased he got the goal. 

Bree was very good last night! Best performance in a while.

Bell’s injury is a massive worry!

Not sure where the “5-1 flatters Chelsea” comes from. We did well in large parts but they bombarded us from the moment Estevao, Enzo & Delap came on. They could have had 2 each!

Raith_C_Chattonell

Not what one wants to see but a good atmospheric photo lifted from Chelsea fan site - which was not overly complementary as you'd expect ... but one nice comment.

msomerton

Sword65pf said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

Sword65pf said:

IAgree said:

Sword65pf said:

IAgree said:

Sword65pf said:

I do find it odd that for people that apparently love this club etc, quite a few on here, find it so easy to criticise, the club, manager, players so often and so easily. Now there is nothing wrong with constructive criticism but to just complain about everything makes me wonder why they bother. The club are on an upward trajectory why not enjoy the ride because things have been a lot worse.

Agreed to a point however it’s not unreasonable to expect to be able to get through the turnstile, have a drink and a bite to eat and be able to use working toilets. Personally I hate all the varied kick off times too.

I think that’s down to the individual and what you go to football for. Personally I don’t eat or drink in the stadium, I don’t often queue for long and I’m patient, covered end toilets you have to wait for a bit but are ok, not saying others experience is acceptable by the way. Modern football is what it is, the club would have been happy for the extra revenue and are not going to say no thanks. 

I get a couple of Pepsi max's and the odd bovril and go for the football, must be 15 years since I had a beer at a game, however for many the experience includes having a drink and a snack. I do think the Valley struggles with a capacity crowd however. An extra six thousand does push the facilities to the limits.

It does,it used to deal with it though, things for the new owners to learn. We have fallen from grace a long way, but we are building things up again, patience is required. 

Patience, the service has been shocking for years.

I’ve no doubt, I can only comment on personal experience and these things haven’t had much of downside to my match day experience. God knows how people would feel about walking over the monkey nut shells back in the day!!🙄

The service yesterday in upper west, just as it was in the prem days, long ques for the bars and toilets
, when you get a full house then the facilities can not cope.

Sword65pf

msomerton said:

Sword65pf said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

Sword65pf said:

IAgree said:

Sword65pf said:

IAgree said:

Sword65pf said:

I do find it odd that for people that apparently love this club etc, quite a few on here, find it so easy to criticise, the club, manager, players so often and so easily. Now there is nothing wrong with constructive criticism but to just complain about everything makes me wonder why they bother. The club are on an upward trajectory why not enjoy the ride because things have been a lot worse.

Agreed to a point however it’s not unreasonable to expect to be able to get through the turnstile, have a drink and a bite to eat and be able to use working toilets. Personally I hate all the varied kick off times too.

I think that’s down to the individual and what you go to football for. Personally I don’t eat or drink in the stadium, I don’t often queue for long and I’m patient, covered end toilets you have to wait for a bit but are ok, not saying others experience is acceptable by the way. Modern football is what it is, the club would have been happy for the extra revenue and are not going to say no thanks. 

I get a couple of Pepsi max's and the odd bovril and go for the football, must be 15 years since I had a beer at a game, however for many the experience includes having a drink and a snack. I do think the Valley struggles with a capacity crowd however. An extra six thousand does push the facilities to the limits.

It does,it used to deal with it though, things for the new owners to learn. We have fallen from grace a long way, but we are building things up again, patience is required. 

Patience, the service has been shocking for years.

I’ve no doubt, I can only comment on personal experience and these things haven’t had much of downside to my match day experience. God knows how people would feel about walking over the monkey nut shells back in the day!!🙄

The service yesterday in upper west, just as it was in the prem days, long ques for the bars and toilets
, when you get a full house then the facilities can not cope.

Ok, I’ll be sure to avoid the west upper on a full house game.Although it wouldn’t matter as I rarely use the facilities.👍😂

CL_Phantom

sam3110 said:

CL_Phantom said:

Sword65pf said:

IAgree said:

SporadicAddick said:

Sword65pf said:

SporadicAddick said:

Sword65pf said:

SporadicAddick said:

Sword65pf said:

NJ in his post match interview is either sending a message to the fans to say don’t worry we know we need players and we’re working on it, or he’s sending a message to the owners to get the money out, hope it’s the former.The club are in a good position to consolidate this season but they need to act aggressively on it.

Or maybe just reviewing the game, and not “sending messages” to anyone…

Talking about needing a good window isn’t reviewing the game he did review the game by expressing his disappointment about how we defended the 2nd and 3rd goals, so what’s you’re point. 

My point is that he doesn’t need to “send messages” through an interview, and therefore he wasn’t. 

I was making an observation that had no right or wrong answer, I will try to run it by you before posting next time so’s not to irk you so much.

You weren’t making an observation that had no right or wrong answer. You stated that he was “sending a message” to at least one of two groups. On that basis, it might be best if you run things past me next time.

He’s just being an angry troll and picking arguments for no reason. Apparently commenting on the turnstiles and blocked toilets is a direct attack on Jones and we should all be content to nibble bread and water whilst sitting on spikes and walking through oceans of piss. Otherwise you’re not a proper fan who is there for the right reason

You are putting words in peoples mouths, as usual people being accused of trolling for having a difference of opinion. As I’ve already said, you are welcome to that opinion. 

Maybe not trolling (but it is) but there's plenty of posters on here that just love their thinly veiled digs and outright antagonising others just because they don't like seeing an opposite view. 

It's incredibly pathetic how angry and how desperate some people are to be seen as "right" 

But it's not "trolling" to disagree with points and comment on that.

If you think that's trolling lord knows what you think of some more infamous posters on here over the years, who's only comments are to deliberately antagonise and annoy others, and be contrary and obtuse at all times

I never said disagreeing with people's opinions is did I...

But being an insufferable bellend and constantly pushing people's buttons and as said, putting words into people's mouths then badging it as "debate"  to make a sad little point about being right/ better over a faceless nameless nobody on the internet well, yeah.

panther10

Tbh the first half annoyed me as we just sat to deep and got deeper, just stood there watching chelsea pass the ball around until they scored . Second half we decided to go at them ... why didnt we do this in the first half 

ForeverAddickted

Raith_C_Chattonell said:

Not what one wants to see but a good atmospheric photo lifted from Chelsea fan site - which was not overly complementary as you'd expect ... but one nice comment.

Thats a great photo

Croydon

charlton_hero said:

Unsurprisingly poor support from Chelsea I thought, who only seemed to sing when they had a two goal cushion.

Also, that's the loudest I've heard RRR sung. Overall a great atmosphere from us.

Need to get the drummers to stop for it so it really gets going 

Sword65pf

Croydon said:

charlton_hero said:

Unsurprisingly poor support from Chelsea I thought, who only seemed to sing when they had a two goal cushion.

Also, that's the loudest I've heard RRR sung. Overall a great atmosphere from us.

Need to get the drummers to stop for it so it really gets going 

We seem to have two songs simultaneously being sung when the team comes out, would be so much better if it was RRR loud and proud.

soapboxsam

That was the busiest game that Will Mannion has had as a CAFC Keeper and overall he did really well and kept the score down.

I would give the example of Nick Pope who will always stand up to a shot fairly close in(Peter Schmeichel stance)and if Mannion had done that, he may have got a firm foot to the ball and cleared the shot for the decisive 3rd goal; though he would still have needed luck where the ball angled too !
Will was caught in going down to the ball but with no time as he couldn't see the ball clearly through the legs of defenders. 

Mannion and Thomas Kaminski have difference strengths and weaknesses but Will is better in the air with catching the ball as opposed to punching. 
When/If we have our best 3 CB's available with our best two Wing backs with Edwards being the LWB and ? on the RWB. 
I personally feel both keepers are comparable to other championship keepers when watching highlights or a live game when they all make good saves with the odd error thrown in.

Everyone and their Aunty knows where we are struggling and with Bell getting a hamstring injury it's of paramount importance that we get one or two in the window as both Bell and Burke, both good championship players are injury prone and our Championship survival rests on a solid defence as was demonstrated in the first dozen games of the season.

Sword65pf

CL_Phantom said:

sam3110 said:

CL_Phantom said:

Sword65pf said:

IAgree said:

SporadicAddick said:

Sword65pf said:

SporadicAddick said:

Sword65pf said:

SporadicAddick said:

Sword65pf said:

NJ in his post match interview is either sending a message to the fans to say don’t worry we know we need players and we’re working on it, or he’s sending a message to the owners to get the money out, hope it’s the former.The club are in a good position to consolidate this season but they need to act aggressively on it.

Or maybe just reviewing the game, and not “sending messages” to anyone…

Talking about needing a good window isn’t reviewing the game he did review the game by expressing his disappointment about how we defended the 2nd and 3rd goals, so what’s you’re point. 

My point is that he doesn’t need to “send messages” through an interview, and therefore he wasn’t. 

I was making an observation that had no right or wrong answer, I will try to run it by you before posting next time so’s not to irk you so much.

You weren’t making an observation that had no right or wrong answer. You stated that he was “sending a message” to at least one of two groups. On that basis, it might be best if you run things past me next time.

He’s just being an angry troll and picking arguments for no reason. Apparently commenting on the turnstiles and blocked toilets is a direct attack on Jones and we should all be content to nibble bread and water whilst sitting on spikes and walking through oceans of piss. Otherwise you’re not a proper fan who is there for the right reason

You are putting words in peoples mouths, as usual people being accused of trolling for having a difference of opinion. As I’ve already said, you are welcome to that opinion. 

Maybe not trolling (but it is) but there's plenty of posters on here that just love their thinly veiled digs and outright antagonising others just because they don't like seeing an opposite view. 

It's incredibly pathetic how angry and how desperate some people are to be seen as "right" 

But it's not "trolling" to disagree with points and comment on that.

If you think that's trolling lord knows what you think of some more infamous posters on here over the years, who's only comments are to deliberately antagonise and annoy others, and be contrary and obtuse at all times

I never said disagreeing with people's opinions is did I...

But being an insufferable bellend and constantly pushing people's buttons and as said, putting words into people's mouths then bading it as "debate"  to make a sad little point about being right/ better over a faceless nameless nobody on the internet well, yeah.

Ignore it then! And just press the lol of derision button.

shirty5

Quality to see the Valley full last night on a freezing cold evening. The light show and the pyrotechnics were interesting to watch and then the fella having to get a fire extinguisher out on for one of the boxes that was still alight 

The smoke bombs in the upper covered end we’re just pathetic and whoever throw the one on the pitch won’t be seeing a game live in the flesh for a while 

2nd Chelsea goal killed the game and the marking from Coventry for that goal was Sunday Morning football.

Mannion at fault for the third one but he made some excellent saves throughout the game so can’t be too critical.

Back to reality this Saturday now and a couple of more injuries to content with Bell and Campbell. 

Bailey

SporadicAddick said:

Bailey said:

Just one other thing about the pre-match arrangements and Pyrotechnics. On the 7th January the clubs official site released 'Information for supporters attending Chelsea Tie' Ed Warrick is part of a video presentation, on that message, it specifically asks supporters to be in their seats earlier than usual because of the crowds expected, there is even a picture of the pyrotechnics to give you a clue as to what may happen pre-match, the bars stopped serving 30 mins before the kick off so you could drink up, get to the turnstile and get to your seat. I drove up from Chartham for the game, parked up at Flamstead road walked down to Bartrams, got in after a little wait and had a Peroni top, and then went to upper tier 13 gate and was in my seat ten minutes before kick off. My point being is that if I can do that then so can you, I do it most games, it's my ritual, I actually love my football club for all it's faults and I will keep making that journey and make sure I'm there ready for my Peroni top and in my seat ready to cheer the boys on, I would suggest that those of you who see my football club as just a verbal punch bag should fuck off and support some other team, I understand Chelsea reserves are looking for supporters. 

I also entered upper tier gate 13. I could have used upper tier gate 14, as per instructions on my ticket, but that was closed. 

Operational issues are a fair criticism. Broken toilets, broken turnstiles, no lock on trap 3, poor food, poor service. We shouldn’t just suck it up.

And a “Peroni top” is in the same league as a white Americano - words that should never be uttered in a football ground. 😉

Question Sporadic, do we franchise out ground maintenance and is a ground check/audit carried out on a regular basis ? I'm not being mischievous, I generally don't know, also, who is responsible for the ground maintenance be it a facilities manager or have we left that to an outside source ? I see that Isobel Rogerson is supporters liaison officer but there is nothing else on the website that I can find. I think the point about toilets needs to be addressed urgently, firstly from a safety aspect but also part of inclusion, some of our supporters need cubicles as they cannot use urinals, this could include people with IBS which is a common ailment and is a very good reason, amongst others, to have these facilities fully operational. Absolutely agree on the Americano and am happy to drop the lemonade from my Peroni, if you get there before me just leave it behind the bar mate !😉

EastbourneAddick

I was able to get over a bit of last night's disappointment by watching Macclesfield eliminate Palace (quite easily) on the telly this morning.

DOUCHER

Sword65pf said:

Croydon said:

charlton_hero said:

Unsurprisingly poor support from Chelsea I thought, who only seemed to sing when they had a two goal cushion.

Also, that's the loudest I've heard RRR sung. Overall a great atmosphere from us.

Need to get the drummers to stop for it so it really gets going 

We seem to have two songs simultaneously being sung when the team comes out, would be so much better if it was RRR loud and proud.

100% - we said this last week - guessing they don't come on here or don't care / don't like the RRR - might go up there and ask them myself to see if its deliberate coz it pisses me off - just possible they don't realise that not everybody thinks the RRR is shit and should be drowned out by some other generic shite - if u don't ask, u don't get 

DOUCHER

any other requests whilst i'm at it? anyone else think 'cafc, we hate millwall' is a drippy effort of a song?- i agree with the sentiment but it really is a shit song

ken_shabby

Laddick01 said:

Really enjoyed the match, was great seeing so many new faces around me and the traffic out the ground wasn’t too bad. Managed to pick up a 50/50 scarf by the station which my kids loved. They were really well behaved throughout the game, apart from when I told them to kick the seat of the grumpy bastard in front of us. Good lads.

Highlight for me was the Cappucino I grabbed in the 15th minute - absolutely gorgeous. Did struggle to find my way back to my seat by the 35th minute after I got a little lost. On the plus side I saw Helen from work and her family when I went up the wrong staircase. Had a lovely chat for about 10 minutes on the stairwell and missed a few minutes of the game. 

I’ll definitely be back for Charltons next big game, I’ll just make sure to sit somewhere else to avoid that grumpy old git infront of us.

That's put a big smile on my face. Post of the day.

TD_Addick

We looked nervous 1st half but we didn't seem in serious trouble and contained mostly everything they had, they seemed to target the left side a lot but Campbell did his best against Gittens. 2nd half we gave it everything but ultimately the gap in quality was there to be seen, speacil mention for the keeper hasn't played since August great effort from him.