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SporadicAddick said:Billy_Mix said:cafctom said:Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?2 -
Billy_Mix said:SporadicAddick said:Billy_Mix said:cafctom said:Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.3 -
Billy_Mix said:SporadicAddick said:Billy_Mix said:cafctom said:Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
My point was that you can't disconnect watching a game on the BBC from FIFA making money. It doesn't matter when the contract was signed.0 -
SELR_addicks said:Billy_Mix said:SporadicAddick said:Billy_Mix said:cafctom said:Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.0 -
cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:Billy_Mix said:SporadicAddick said:Billy_Mix said:cafctom said:Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.2 -
SELR_addicks said:cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:Billy_Mix said:SporadicAddick said:Billy_Mix said:cafctom said:Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.As for your last point, I’m the last person to make that suggestion. I was the one who brought up the broadcasting revenue issue in the first place on this thread.
Between now and November there are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.3 -
cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:Billy_Mix said:SporadicAddick said:Billy_Mix said:cafctom said:Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.There are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
If England win the World Cup, I doubt there will be hordes of England fans outside of FA headquarters the next day demanding we return the trophy because we won a corrupt tournament.1 -
CAFCTrev said:cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:Billy_Mix said:SporadicAddick said:Billy_Mix said:cafctom said:Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.There are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
If England win the World Cup, I doubt there will be hordes of England fans outside of FA headquarters the next day demanding we return the trophy because we won a corrupt tournament.
But if some of the biggest nations (or even UEFA/CONMEBOL) decide that FIFA isn't really the organisation that should be running the World Cup, I would be in favour of a breakway organisation.
Finalissima 2022 is a very interesting concept that has gone under the radar.0 -
cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:Billy_Mix said:SporadicAddick said:Billy_Mix said:cafctom said:Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.Between now and November there are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
Personally I am not watching much because I no longer care as I once did, mainly because of what the people at the top have done (this applies to pro football generally for me). It's not about boycotting, it's about being turned off. For those who feel conflicted but do end up watching it I have great sympathy. We didn't ask to be put in this position. Those people probably love the support and live for that shared experience. Watching it doesn't undermine the finger pointing. It's not inherently hypocritical to watch it. It's a shitty position where there's probably no 'right' move. I certainly don't think saying 'fuck it, let's just enjoy the show' is the right move but I wouldn't give anyone stick for doing that either.5 -
I wish my principles were stronger than my love of football and WCs but unfortunately they’re not and I suspect many other people feel the same.0
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CAFCTrev said:cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:Billy_Mix said:SporadicAddick said:Billy_Mix said:cafctom said:Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.There are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
If England win the World Cup, I doubt there will be hordes of England fans outside of FA headquarters the next day demanding we return the trophy because we won a corrupt tournament.0 -
Has anyone watched the overlap with Gary Nevile. He done a documentary on Qatar. Worth a watch0
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SELR_addicks said:CAFCTrev said:cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:Billy_Mix said:SporadicAddick said:Billy_Mix said:cafctom said:Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.There are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
If England win the World Cup, I doubt there will be hordes of England fans outside of FA headquarters the next day demanding we return the trophy because we won a corrupt tournament.
Finalissima 2022 is a very interesting concept that has gone under the radar.
I think its a great concept, but isnt the idea behind it to replace the defunct Confederations Cup as apposed to it growing into some kind of World Cup rival?0 -
JiMMy 85 said:cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:Billy_Mix said:SporadicAddick said:Billy_Mix said:cafctom said:Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.Between now and November there are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
Personally I am not watching much because I no longer care as I once did, mainly because of what the people at the top have done (this applies to pro football generally for me). It's not about boycotting, it's about being turned off. For those who feel conflicted but do end up watching it I have great sympathy. We didn't ask to be put in this position. Those people probably love the support and live for that shared experience. Watching it doesn't undermine the finger pointing. It's not inherently hypocritical to watch it. It's a shitty position where there's probably no 'right' move. I certainly don't think saying 'fuck it, let's just enjoy the show' is the right move but I wouldn't give anyone stick for doing that either.0 -
I will watch it because it is the World Cup and I would watch two teams of chimps playing football against each other, but it is a disgrace it is being held there. Maybe the people who were bribed have been kicked out of FIFA but the organisation must know the tournament was gained by bribery. The only evidence you need is that it is being held in Qatar. It is like me in a dress winning Miss World. You don't need further proof!1
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CAFCTrev said:SELR_addicks said:CAFCTrev said:cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:Billy_Mix said:SporadicAddick said:Billy_Mix said:cafctom said:Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.There are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
If England win the World Cup, I doubt there will be hordes of England fans outside of FA headquarters the next day demanding we return the trophy because we won a corrupt tournament.
Finalissima 2022 is a very interesting concept that has gone under the radar.
I think its a great concept, but isnt the idea behind it to replace the defunct Confederations Cup as apposed to it growing into some kind of World Cup rival?
Part of me thinks it’s UEFA’s way of trying to keep some additional influence in international football, whilst they are at loggerheads with FIFA about the 2 year World Cup concept.
UEFA are also expected to make the additional move in the coming years of integrating the major South American teams into the Nations League.0 -
cafctom said:JiMMy 85 said:cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:Billy_Mix said:SporadicAddick said:Billy_Mix said:cafctom said:Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.Between now and November there are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
Personally I am not watching much because I no longer care as I once did, mainly because of what the people at the top have done (this applies to pro football generally for me). It's not about boycotting, it's about being turned off. For those who feel conflicted but do end up watching it I have great sympathy. We didn't ask to be put in this position. Those people probably love the support and live for that shared experience. Watching it doesn't undermine the finger pointing. It's not inherently hypocritical to watch it. It's a shitty position where there's probably no 'right' move. I certainly don't think saying 'fuck it, let's just enjoy the show' is the right move but I wouldn't give anyone stick for doing that either.1 -
This is utterly bizarre. There's a rule that internationally tournaments must be on European terrestrial television, linkypoos, the money in the TV rights isn't significant as a result. The people from Fifa that played a role in this charade are no longer there, sadly not in prison. The issue is the country of Qatar and this awful death toll of immigrant works preparing for this tournament. Playing this down this by pointing out that only a small number were building temporary stadiums made out of shipping containers and the majority died building infrastructure necessary to host the tournament is incredible and I'm genuinely lost for words. If you feel that watching a game on TV is somehow supporting this then I feel for you. The way to make a stand is to not go. Criticism of the players taking a knee etc then playing out there are valid.Apparently the grounds in England's group are far away from each other and in the middle of no where with nothing to do, enjoy.3
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SELR_addicks said:cafctom said:JiMMy 85 said:cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:Billy_Mix said:SporadicAddick said:Billy_Mix said:cafctom said:Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.Between now and November there are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
Personally I am not watching much because I no longer care as I once did, mainly because of what the people at the top have done (this applies to pro football generally for me). It's not about boycotting, it's about being turned off. For those who feel conflicted but do end up watching it I have great sympathy. We didn't ask to be put in this position. Those people probably love the support and live for that shared experience. Watching it doesn't undermine the finger pointing. It's not inherently hypocritical to watch it. It's a shitty position where there's probably no 'right' move. I certainly don't think saying 'fuck it, let's just enjoy the show' is the right move but I wouldn't give anyone stick for doing that either.
I’m pointing out that there will be people who will criticise others for how they take in this tournament, whilst going on to do exactly the same thing.0 -
Friend Or Defoe said:Apparently the grounds in England's group are far away from each other and in the middle of no where with nothing to do, enjoy.1
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cafctom said:CAFCTrev said:SELR_addicks said:CAFCTrev said:cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:Billy_Mix said:SporadicAddick said:Billy_Mix said:cafctom said:Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.There are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
If England win the World Cup, I doubt there will be hordes of England fans outside of FA headquarters the next day demanding we return the trophy because we won a corrupt tournament.
Finalissima 2022 is a very interesting concept that has gone under the radar.
I think its a great concept, but isnt the idea behind it to replace the defunct Confederations Cup as apposed to it growing into some kind of World Cup rival?
Part of me thinks it’s UEFA’s way of trying to keep some additional influence in international football, whilst they are at loggerheads with FIFA about the 2 year World Cup concept.
UEFA are also expected to make the additional move in the coming years of integrating the major South American teams into the Nations League.0 -
CAFCTrev said:cafctom said:CAFCTrev said:SELR_addicks said:CAFCTrev said:cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:Billy_Mix said:SporadicAddick said:Billy_Mix said:cafctom said:Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.There are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
If England win the World Cup, I doubt there will be hordes of England fans outside of FA headquarters the next day demanding we return the trophy because we won a corrupt tournament.
Finalissima 2022 is a very interesting concept that has gone under the radar.
I think its a great concept, but isnt the idea behind it to replace the defunct Confederations Cup as apposed to it growing into some kind of World Cup rival?
Part of me thinks it’s UEFA’s way of trying to keep some additional influence in international football, whilst they are at loggerheads with FIFA about the 2 year World Cup concept.
UEFA are also expected to make the additional move in the coming years of integrating the major South American teams into the Nations League.Ultimately, tournaments like the Euros and the Copa America are tournaments organised by the continental authorities that don’t have any bearing on FIFA’s World Cup.If there was such a rule then FIFA would have surely activated the opportunity to do a 2 year World Cup cycle a long time ago.0 -
cafctom said:Friend Or Defoe said:Apparently the grounds in England's group are far away from each other and in the middle of no where with nothing to do, enjoy.0
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Off_it said:cafctom said:Friend Or Defoe said:Apparently the grounds in England's group are far away from each other and in the middle of no where with nothing to do, enjoy.
The metro links together 6 of the 8 stadiums pretty easily. The remaining 2 will take a bit more planning - but its such a small place that you can get taxis anywhere without spending too much.
Climate in November can get as high as 28/29 at most. Not excruciating like it would be in the Summer.0 -
cafctom said:JiMMy 85 said:cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:Billy_Mix said:SporadicAddick said:Billy_Mix said:cafctom said:Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.Between now and November there are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
Personally I am not watching much because I no longer care as I once did, mainly because of what the people at the top have done (this applies to pro football generally for me). It's not about boycotting, it's about being turned off. For those who feel conflicted but do end up watching it I have great sympathy. We didn't ask to be put in this position. Those people probably love the support and live for that shared experience. Watching it doesn't undermine the finger pointing. It's not inherently hypocritical to watch it. It's a shitty position where there's probably no 'right' move. I certainly don't think saying 'fuck it, let's just enjoy the show' is the right move but I wouldn't give anyone stick for doing that either.1 -
Don’t get me wrong, it’s appalling situation, but it’s gonna go on regardles. But the World Cup is the pinnacle for me and there’s absolutely no way I’m missing a WC especially with our best team ever. People will abstain but it’s a piss in the ocean with all things considered. Like most things, do what you wanna do.1
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cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:cafctom said:JiMMy 85 said:cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:Billy_Mix said:SporadicAddick said:Billy_Mix said:cafctom said:Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.Between now and November there are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
Personally I am not watching much because I no longer care as I once did, mainly because of what the people at the top have done (this applies to pro football generally for me). It's not about boycotting, it's about being turned off. For those who feel conflicted but do end up watching it I have great sympathy. We didn't ask to be put in this position. Those people probably love the support and live for that shared experience. Watching it doesn't undermine the finger pointing. It's not inherently hypocritical to watch it. It's a shitty position where there's probably no 'right' move. I certainly don't think saying 'fuck it, let's just enjoy the show' is the right move but I wouldn't give anyone stick for doing that either.
I’m pointing out that there will be people who will criticise others for how they take in this tournament, whilst going on to do exactly the same thing.
And going to Qatar, giving them the tourism and sportswashing they are craving by hosting the tournament?
If you're saying you're not allowed to criticise option B because they're watching on tv at home is missing the point entirely.1 -
JiMMy 85 said:cafctom said:JiMMy 85 said:cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:Billy_Mix said:SporadicAddick said:Billy_Mix said:cafctom said:Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.Between now and November there are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
Personally I am not watching much because I no longer care as I once did, mainly because of what the people at the top have done (this applies to pro football generally for me). It's not about boycotting, it's about being turned off. For those who feel conflicted but do end up watching it I have great sympathy. We didn't ask to be put in this position. Those people probably love the support and live for that shared experience. Watching it doesn't undermine the finger pointing. It's not inherently hypocritical to watch it. It's a shitty position where there's probably no 'right' move. I certainly don't think saying 'fuck it, let's just enjoy the show' is the right move but I wouldn't give anyone stick for doing that either.
Back on topic. I find the point you made about having sympathy for people feeling conflicted an interesting one. And I do agree with pretty much everything you say in that 2nd paragraph. I had similar feelings when making the decision about going. In truth, I probably held the opinion that I would have no interest in going back when it was first announced 12 years ago.
The point I'm making is that I don't think it is wholly fair to criticize people going to the tournament to then still watch and enjoy it on TV yourself without realizing that all attention paid to the tournament is in some way validating it, albeit at varying levels. Some will be keen to refute that for whatever individual reason - that's up to them.0 -
JiMMy 85 said:cafctom said:JiMMy 85 said:cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:Billy_Mix said:SporadicAddick said:Billy_Mix said:cafctom said:Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.Between now and November there are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
Personally I am not watching much because I no longer care as I once did, mainly because of what the people at the top have done (this applies to pro football generally for me). It's not about boycotting, it's about being turned off. For those who feel conflicted but do end up watching it I have great sympathy. We didn't ask to be put in this position. Those people probably love the support and live for that shared experience. Watching it doesn't undermine the finger pointing. It's not inherently hypocritical to watch it. It's a shitty position where there's probably no 'right' move. I certainly don't think saying 'fuck it, let's just enjoy the show' is the right move but I wouldn't give anyone stick for doing that either.1 -
cafctom said:Off_it said:cafctom said:Friend Or Defoe said:Apparently the grounds in England's group are far away from each other and in the middle of no where with nothing to do, enjoy.
The metro links together 6 of the 8 stadiums pretty easily. The remaining 2 will take a bit more planning - but its such a small place that you can get taxis anywhere without spending too much.
Climate in November can get as high as 28/29 at most. Not excruciating like it would be in the Summer.
Guess you could get taxis if there weren't 60k people wanting to do the same thing. Guessing they'll be buses, perhaps visit a nearby pub while you wait for the queues to die down?2