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BBC paying FIFA for the coverage is a ship that's sailed years ago. Us watching the coverage on BBC won't impact the finances one jot.SporadicAddick said:
..That's right, because they acquire the rights to broadcast matches for free....Billy_Mix said:
watching games on BBC won't make anybody any money at allcafctom said:
You won’t be watching any games on television then?Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?2 -
A lot of the advertising revenue will be based on worldwide viewership.Billy_Mix said:
BBC paying FIFA for the coverage is a ship that's sailed years ago. Us watching the coverage on BBC won't impact the finances one jot.SporadicAddick said:
..That's right, because they acquire the rights to broadcast matches for free....Billy_Mix said:
watching games on BBC won't make anybody any money at allcafctom said:
You won’t be watching any games on television then?Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.3 -
I'll be watching it...Billy_Mix said:
BBC paying FIFA for the coverage is a ship that's sailed years ago. Us watching the coverage on BBC won't impact the finances one jot.SporadicAddick said:
..That's right, because they acquire the rights to broadcast matches for free....Billy_Mix said:
watching games on BBC won't make anybody any money at allcafctom said:
You won’t be watching any games on television then?Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
My point was that you can't disconnect watching a game on the BBC from FIFA making money. It doesn't matter when the contract was signed.0 -
Will you be watching it?SELR_addicks said:
A lot of the advertising revenue will be based on worldwide viewership.Billy_Mix said:
BBC paying FIFA for the coverage is a ship that's sailed years ago. Us watching the coverage on BBC won't impact the finances one jot.SporadicAddick said:
..That's right, because they acquire the rights to broadcast matches for free....Billy_Mix said:
watching games on BBC won't make anybody any money at allcafctom said:
You won’t be watching any games on television then?Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.0 -
You really think this is a gotcha question don't you?cafctom said:
Will you be watching it?SELR_addicks said:
A lot of the advertising revenue will be based on worldwide viewership.Billy_Mix said:
BBC paying FIFA for the coverage is a ship that's sailed years ago. Us watching the coverage on BBC won't impact the finances one jot.SporadicAddick said:
..That's right, because they acquire the rights to broadcast matches for free....Billy_Mix said:
watching games on BBC won't make anybody any money at allcafctom said:
You won’t be watching any games on television then?Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.2 -
Not trying to ‘gotcha’ anyone - I asked you a direct question, and you gave an honest answer. And I’m glad you did because a common reaction when I’ve asked it is for people to just feign shock or suggest that it’s an invalid question.SELR_addicks said:
You really think this is a gotcha question don't you?cafctom said:
Will you be watching it?SELR_addicks said:
A lot of the advertising revenue will be based on worldwide viewership.Billy_Mix said:
BBC paying FIFA for the coverage is a ship that's sailed years ago. Us watching the coverage on BBC won't impact the finances one jot.SporadicAddick said:
..That's right, because they acquire the rights to broadcast matches for free....Billy_Mix said:
watching games on BBC won't make anybody any money at allcafctom said:
You won’t be watching any games on television then?Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.As for your last point, I’m the last person to make that suggestion. I was the one who brought up the broadcasting revenue issue in the first place on this thread.
Between now and November there are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.3 -
^ Thiscafctom said:SELR_addicks said:
You really think this is a gotcha question don't you?cafctom said:
Will you be watching it?SELR_addicks said:
A lot of the advertising revenue will be based on worldwide viewership.Billy_Mix said:
BBC paying FIFA for the coverage is a ship that's sailed years ago. Us watching the coverage on BBC won't impact the finances one jot.SporadicAddick said:
..That's right, because they acquire the rights to broadcast matches for free....Billy_Mix said:
watching games on BBC won't make anybody any money at allcafctom said:
You won’t be watching any games on television then?Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.There are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
If England win the World Cup, I doubt there will be hordes of England fans outside of FA headquarters the next day demanding we return the trophy because we won a corrupt tournament.1 -
Doubtful.CAFCTrev said:
^ Thiscafctom said:SELR_addicks said:
You really think this is a gotcha question don't you?cafctom said:
Will you be watching it?SELR_addicks said:
A lot of the advertising revenue will be based on worldwide viewership.Billy_Mix said:
BBC paying FIFA for the coverage is a ship that's sailed years ago. Us watching the coverage on BBC won't impact the finances one jot.SporadicAddick said:
..That's right, because they acquire the rights to broadcast matches for free....Billy_Mix said:
watching games on BBC won't make anybody any money at allcafctom said:
You won’t be watching any games on television then?Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.There are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
If England win the World Cup, I doubt there will be hordes of England fans outside of FA headquarters the next day demanding we return the trophy because we won a corrupt tournament.
But if some of the biggest nations (or even UEFA/CONMEBOL) decide that FIFA isn't really the organisation that should be running the World Cup, I would be in favour of a breakway organisation.
Finalissima 2022 is a very interesting concept that has gone under the radar.0 -
Honestly, to me, that really does sound like a gotcha response. As if being opposed to the story behind the tournament isn't allowed if you watch any of it. It's the standard - and in my opinion lazy - response that we hear all the time when we find out a ubiquitous organisation is up to no good. It's what people say about bad owners owning a club "you won't care once you're winning stuff!" etc. which entirely misses the point.cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:
You really think this is a gotcha question don't you?cafctom said:
Will you be watching it?SELR_addicks said:
A lot of the advertising revenue will be based on worldwide viewership.Billy_Mix said:
BBC paying FIFA for the coverage is a ship that's sailed years ago. Us watching the coverage on BBC won't impact the finances one jot.SporadicAddick said:
..That's right, because they acquire the rights to broadcast matches for free....Billy_Mix said:
watching games on BBC won't make anybody any money at allcafctom said:
You won’t be watching any games on television then?Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.Between now and November there are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
Personally I am not watching much because I no longer care as I once did, mainly because of what the people at the top have done (this applies to pro football generally for me). It's not about boycotting, it's about being turned off. For those who feel conflicted but do end up watching it I have great sympathy. We didn't ask to be put in this position. Those people probably love the support and live for that shared experience. Watching it doesn't undermine the finger pointing. It's not inherently hypocritical to watch it. It's a shitty position where there's probably no 'right' move. I certainly don't think saying 'fuck it, let's just enjoy the show' is the right move but I wouldn't give anyone stick for doing that either.5 -
I wish my principles were stronger than my love of football and WCs but unfortunately they’re not and I suspect many other people feel the same.0
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Now that’s a big IF - England will need to work really hard and ride some luck to get as far as being slaughtered by France!CAFCTrev said:
^ Thiscafctom said:SELR_addicks said:
You really think this is a gotcha question don't you?cafctom said:
Will you be watching it?SELR_addicks said:
A lot of the advertising revenue will be based on worldwide viewership.Billy_Mix said:
BBC paying FIFA for the coverage is a ship that's sailed years ago. Us watching the coverage on BBC won't impact the finances one jot.SporadicAddick said:
..That's right, because they acquire the rights to broadcast matches for free....Billy_Mix said:
watching games on BBC won't make anybody any money at allcafctom said:
You won’t be watching any games on television then?Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.There are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
If England win the World Cup, I doubt there will be hordes of England fans outside of FA headquarters the next day demanding we return the trophy because we won a corrupt tournament.0 -
Has anyone watched the overlap with Gary Nevile. He done a documentary on Qatar. Worth a watch0
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Yes that's the Copa América vs Euro Champs game at Wembley isn't it? I didn't actually know about it until I saw an advert at the England game last week.SELR_addicks said:CAFCTrev said:
^ Thiscafctom said:SELR_addicks said:
You really think this is a gotcha question don't you?cafctom said:
Will you be watching it?SELR_addicks said:
A lot of the advertising revenue will be based on worldwide viewership.Billy_Mix said:
BBC paying FIFA for the coverage is a ship that's sailed years ago. Us watching the coverage on BBC won't impact the finances one jot.SporadicAddick said:
..That's right, because they acquire the rights to broadcast matches for free....Billy_Mix said:
watching games on BBC won't make anybody any money at allcafctom said:
You won’t be watching any games on television then?Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.There are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
If England win the World Cup, I doubt there will be hordes of England fans outside of FA headquarters the next day demanding we return the trophy because we won a corrupt tournament.
Finalissima 2022 is a very interesting concept that has gone under the radar.
I think its a great concept, but isnt the idea behind it to replace the defunct Confederations Cup as apposed to it growing into some kind of World Cup rival?0 -
I’m stating the fact that there will be people who will criticise others in the lead up to the tournament but then go and do exactly the same thing themselves, especially if England progress through the rounds. It’s not a ‘gotcha’ response - it’s a prediction about what I think is going to happen.JiMMy 85 said:
Honestly, to me, that really does sound like a gotcha response. As if being opposed to the story behind the tournament isn't allowed if you watch any of it. It's the standard - and in my opinion lazy - response that we hear all the time when we find out a ubiquitous organisation is up to no good. It's what people say about bad owners owning a club "you won't care once you're winning stuff!" etc. which entirely misses the point.cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:
You really think this is a gotcha question don't you?cafctom said:
Will you be watching it?SELR_addicks said:
A lot of the advertising revenue will be based on worldwide viewership.Billy_Mix said:
BBC paying FIFA for the coverage is a ship that's sailed years ago. Us watching the coverage on BBC won't impact the finances one jot.SporadicAddick said:
..That's right, because they acquire the rights to broadcast matches for free....Billy_Mix said:
watching games on BBC won't make anybody any money at allcafctom said:
You won’t be watching any games on television then?Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.Between now and November there are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
Personally I am not watching much because I no longer care as I once did, mainly because of what the people at the top have done (this applies to pro football generally for me). It's not about boycotting, it's about being turned off. For those who feel conflicted but do end up watching it I have great sympathy. We didn't ask to be put in this position. Those people probably love the support and live for that shared experience. Watching it doesn't undermine the finger pointing. It's not inherently hypocritical to watch it. It's a shitty position where there's probably no 'right' move. I certainly don't think saying 'fuck it, let's just enjoy the show' is the right move but I wouldn't give anyone stick for doing that either.0 -
I will watch it because it is the World Cup and I would watch two teams of chimps playing football against each other, but it is a disgrace it is being held there. Maybe the people who were bribed have been kicked out of FIFA but the organisation must know the tournament was gained by bribery. The only evidence you need is that it is being held in Qatar. It is like me in a dress winning Miss World. You don't need further proof!1
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I’ve got a ticket to the Finalissima. Did it on a spur of the moment and paid about £100, and then they went and put additional tickets on sale for about a third of the price.CAFCTrev said:
Yes that's the Copa América vs Euro Champs game at Wembley isn't it? I didn't actually know about it until I saw an advert at the England game last week.SELR_addicks said:CAFCTrev said:
^ Thiscafctom said:SELR_addicks said:
You really think this is a gotcha question don't you?cafctom said:
Will you be watching it?SELR_addicks said:
A lot of the advertising revenue will be based on worldwide viewership.Billy_Mix said:
BBC paying FIFA for the coverage is a ship that's sailed years ago. Us watching the coverage on BBC won't impact the finances one jot.SporadicAddick said:
..That's right, because they acquire the rights to broadcast matches for free....Billy_Mix said:
watching games on BBC won't make anybody any money at allcafctom said:
You won’t be watching any games on television then?Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.There are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
If England win the World Cup, I doubt there will be hordes of England fans outside of FA headquarters the next day demanding we return the trophy because we won a corrupt tournament.
Finalissima 2022 is a very interesting concept that has gone under the radar.
I think its a great concept, but isnt the idea behind it to replace the defunct Confederations Cup as apposed to it growing into some kind of World Cup rival?
Part of me thinks it’s UEFA’s way of trying to keep some additional influence in international football, whilst they are at loggerheads with FIFA about the 2 year World Cup concept.
UEFA are also expected to make the additional move in the coming years of integrating the major South American teams into the Nations League.0 -
Are you not allowed to criticise an event while watching it then? Better tell all the journalists that are going that they have to stay at home, otherwise they're banned from criticising Qatar and FIFA.cafctom said:
I’m stating the fact that there will be people who will criticise others in the lead up to the tournament but then go and do exactly the same thing themselves, especially if England progress through the rounds. It’s not a ‘gotcha’ response - it’s a prediction about what I think is going to happen.JiMMy 85 said:
Honestly, to me, that really does sound like a gotcha response. As if being opposed to the story behind the tournament isn't allowed if you watch any of it. It's the standard - and in my opinion lazy - response that we hear all the time when we find out a ubiquitous organisation is up to no good. It's what people say about bad owners owning a club "you won't care once you're winning stuff!" etc. which entirely misses the point.cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:
You really think this is a gotcha question don't you?cafctom said:
Will you be watching it?SELR_addicks said:
A lot of the advertising revenue will be based on worldwide viewership.Billy_Mix said:
BBC paying FIFA for the coverage is a ship that's sailed years ago. Us watching the coverage on BBC won't impact the finances one jot.SporadicAddick said:
..That's right, because they acquire the rights to broadcast matches for free....Billy_Mix said:
watching games on BBC won't make anybody any money at allcafctom said:
You won’t be watching any games on television then?Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.Between now and November there are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
Personally I am not watching much because I no longer care as I once did, mainly because of what the people at the top have done (this applies to pro football generally for me). It's not about boycotting, it's about being turned off. For those who feel conflicted but do end up watching it I have great sympathy. We didn't ask to be put in this position. Those people probably love the support and live for that shared experience. Watching it doesn't undermine the finger pointing. It's not inherently hypocritical to watch it. It's a shitty position where there's probably no 'right' move. I certainly don't think saying 'fuck it, let's just enjoy the show' is the right move but I wouldn't give anyone stick for doing that either.1 -
This is utterly bizarre. There's a rule that internationally tournaments must be on European terrestrial television, linkypoos, the money in the TV rights isn't significant as a result. The people from Fifa that played a role in this charade are no longer there, sadly not in prison. The issue is the country of Qatar and this awful death toll of immigrant works preparing for this tournament. Playing this down this by pointing out that only a small number were building temporary stadiums made out of shipping containers and the majority died building infrastructure necessary to host the tournament is incredible and I'm genuinely lost for words. If you feel that watching a game on TV is somehow supporting this then I feel for you. The way to make a stand is to not go. Criticism of the players taking a knee etc then playing out there are valid.Apparently the grounds in England's group are far away from each other and in the middle of no where with nothing to do, enjoy.
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Think you should read my post again.SELR_addicks said:
Are you not allowed to criticise an event while watching it then? Better tell all the journalists that are going that they have to stay at home, otherwise they're banned from criticising Qatar and FIFA.cafctom said:
I’m stating the fact that there will be people who will criticise others in the lead up to the tournament but then go and do exactly the same thing themselves, especially if England progress through the rounds. It’s not a ‘gotcha’ response - it’s a prediction about what I think is going to happen.JiMMy 85 said:
Honestly, to me, that really does sound like a gotcha response. As if being opposed to the story behind the tournament isn't allowed if you watch any of it. It's the standard - and in my opinion lazy - response that we hear all the time when we find out a ubiquitous organisation is up to no good. It's what people say about bad owners owning a club "you won't care once you're winning stuff!" etc. which entirely misses the point.cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:
You really think this is a gotcha question don't you?cafctom said:
Will you be watching it?SELR_addicks said:
A lot of the advertising revenue will be based on worldwide viewership.Billy_Mix said:
BBC paying FIFA for the coverage is a ship that's sailed years ago. Us watching the coverage on BBC won't impact the finances one jot.SporadicAddick said:
..That's right, because they acquire the rights to broadcast matches for free....Billy_Mix said:
watching games on BBC won't make anybody any money at allcafctom said:
You won’t be watching any games on television then?Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.Between now and November there are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
Personally I am not watching much because I no longer care as I once did, mainly because of what the people at the top have done (this applies to pro football generally for me). It's not about boycotting, it's about being turned off. For those who feel conflicted but do end up watching it I have great sympathy. We didn't ask to be put in this position. Those people probably love the support and live for that shared experience. Watching it doesn't undermine the finger pointing. It's not inherently hypocritical to watch it. It's a shitty position where there's probably no 'right' move. I certainly don't think saying 'fuck it, let's just enjoy the show' is the right move but I wouldn't give anyone stick for doing that either.
I’m pointing out that there will be people who will criticise others for how they take in this tournament, whilst going on to do exactly the same thing.0 -
That’s not the case at all. All of the stadiums for the tournament are located within approx 30-40 miles of each other.Friend Or Defoe said:Apparently the grounds in England's group are far away from each other and in the middle of no where with nothing to do, enjoy.1 -
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That could be interesting, basically a backdoor way to make a UEFA/CONMEBOL ran World Cup. Is there some kind of rule in place by FIFA to prevent a continental organisation like UEFA or CONMEBOL organising their own international tournament? Surely they wouldn't be happy to just let that happen.cafctom said:
I’ve got a ticket to the Finalissima. Did it on a spur of the moment and paid about £100, and then they went and put additional tickets on sale for about a third of the price.CAFCTrev said:
Yes that's the Copa América vs Euro Champs game at Wembley isn't it? I didn't actually know about it until I saw an advert at the England game last week.SELR_addicks said:CAFCTrev said:
^ Thiscafctom said:SELR_addicks said:
You really think this is a gotcha question don't you?cafctom said:
Will you be watching it?SELR_addicks said:
A lot of the advertising revenue will be based on worldwide viewership.Billy_Mix said:
BBC paying FIFA for the coverage is a ship that's sailed years ago. Us watching the coverage on BBC won't impact the finances one jot.SporadicAddick said:
..That's right, because they acquire the rights to broadcast matches for free....Billy_Mix said:
watching games on BBC won't make anybody any money at allcafctom said:
You won’t be watching any games on television then?Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.There are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
If England win the World Cup, I doubt there will be hordes of England fans outside of FA headquarters the next day demanding we return the trophy because we won a corrupt tournament.
Finalissima 2022 is a very interesting concept that has gone under the radar.
I think its a great concept, but isnt the idea behind it to replace the defunct Confederations Cup as apposed to it growing into some kind of World Cup rival?
Part of me thinks it’s UEFA’s way of trying to keep some additional influence in international football, whilst they are at loggerheads with FIFA about the 2 year World Cup concept.
UEFA are also expected to make the additional move in the coming years of integrating the major South American teams into the Nations League.0 -
I don’t think so.CAFCTrev said:
That could be interesting, basically a backdoor way to make a UEFA/CONMEBOL ran World Cup. Is there some kind of rule in place by FIFA to prevent a continental organisation like UEFA or CONMEBOL organising their own international tournament? Surely they wouldn't be happy to just let that happen.cafctom said:
I’ve got a ticket to the Finalissima. Did it on a spur of the moment and paid about £100, and then they went and put additional tickets on sale for about a third of the price.CAFCTrev said:
Yes that's the Copa América vs Euro Champs game at Wembley isn't it? I didn't actually know about it until I saw an advert at the England game last week.SELR_addicks said:CAFCTrev said:
^ Thiscafctom said:SELR_addicks said:
You really think this is a gotcha question don't you?cafctom said:
Will you be watching it?SELR_addicks said:
A lot of the advertising revenue will be based on worldwide viewership.Billy_Mix said:
BBC paying FIFA for the coverage is a ship that's sailed years ago. Us watching the coverage on BBC won't impact the finances one jot.SporadicAddick said:
..That's right, because they acquire the rights to broadcast matches for free....Billy_Mix said:
watching games on BBC won't make anybody any money at allcafctom said:
You won’t be watching any games on television then?Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.There are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
If England win the World Cup, I doubt there will be hordes of England fans outside of FA headquarters the next day demanding we return the trophy because we won a corrupt tournament.
Finalissima 2022 is a very interesting concept that has gone under the radar.
I think its a great concept, but isnt the idea behind it to replace the defunct Confederations Cup as apposed to it growing into some kind of World Cup rival?
Part of me thinks it’s UEFA’s way of trying to keep some additional influence in international football, whilst they are at loggerheads with FIFA about the 2 year World Cup concept.
UEFA are also expected to make the additional move in the coming years of integrating the major South American teams into the Nations League.Ultimately, tournaments like the Euros and the Copa America are tournaments organised by the continental authorities that don’t have any bearing on FIFA’s World Cup.If there was such a rule then FIFA would have surely activated the opportunity to do a 2 year World Cup cycle a long time ago.0 -
Yeah, but you wouldn't wanna walk it would you - certainly not in THAT heat.cafctom said:
That’s not the case at all. All of the stadiums for the tournament are located within approx 30-40 miles of each other.Friend Or Defoe said:Apparently the grounds in England's group are far away from each other and in the middle of no where with nothing to do, enjoy.0 -
From what I'm told, its not the sort of place you can really walk anywhere - not necessarily because of the heat either. Just the way that its laid out.Off_it said:
Yeah, but you wouldn't wanna walk it would you - certainly not in THAT heat.cafctom said:
That’s not the case at all. All of the stadiums for the tournament are located within approx 30-40 miles of each other.Friend Or Defoe said:Apparently the grounds in England's group are far away from each other and in the middle of no where with nothing to do, enjoy.
The metro links together 6 of the 8 stadiums pretty easily. The remaining 2 will take a bit more planning - but its such a small place that you can get taxis anywhere without spending too much.
Climate in November can get as high as 28/29 at most. Not excruciating like it would be in the Summer.0 -
That is a gotcha response. You just don’t seem to realise it.cafctom said:
I’m stating the fact that there will be people who will criticise others in the lead up to the tournament but then go and do exactly the same thing themselves, especially if England progress through the rounds. It’s not a ‘gotcha’ response - it’s a prediction about what I think is going to happen.JiMMy 85 said:
Honestly, to me, that really does sound like a gotcha response. As if being opposed to the story behind the tournament isn't allowed if you watch any of it. It's the standard - and in my opinion lazy - response that we hear all the time when we find out a ubiquitous organisation is up to no good. It's what people say about bad owners owning a club "you won't care once you're winning stuff!" etc. which entirely misses the point.cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:
You really think this is a gotcha question don't you?cafctom said:
Will you be watching it?SELR_addicks said:
A lot of the advertising revenue will be based on worldwide viewership.Billy_Mix said:
BBC paying FIFA for the coverage is a ship that's sailed years ago. Us watching the coverage on BBC won't impact the finances one jot.SporadicAddick said:
..That's right, because they acquire the rights to broadcast matches for free....Billy_Mix said:
watching games on BBC won't make anybody any money at allcafctom said:
You won’t be watching any games on television then?Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.Between now and November there are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
Personally I am not watching much because I no longer care as I once did, mainly because of what the people at the top have done (this applies to pro football generally for me). It's not about boycotting, it's about being turned off. For those who feel conflicted but do end up watching it I have great sympathy. We didn't ask to be put in this position. Those people probably love the support and live for that shared experience. Watching it doesn't undermine the finger pointing. It's not inherently hypocritical to watch it. It's a shitty position where there's probably no 'right' move. I certainly don't think saying 'fuck it, let's just enjoy the show' is the right move but I wouldn't give anyone stick for doing that either.1 -
Don’t get me wrong, it’s appalling situation, but it’s gonna go on regardles. But the World Cup is the pinnacle for me and there’s absolutely no way I’m missing a WC especially with our best team ever. People will abstain but it’s a piss in the ocean with all things considered. Like most things, do what you wanna do.1
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You agree there is a difference between watching the games on tv at home while being disappointed at the whole saga.cafctom said:
Think you should read my post again.SELR_addicks said:
Are you not allowed to criticise an event while watching it then? Better tell all the journalists that are going that they have to stay at home, otherwise they're banned from criticising Qatar and FIFA.cafctom said:
I’m stating the fact that there will be people who will criticise others in the lead up to the tournament but then go and do exactly the same thing themselves, especially if England progress through the rounds. It’s not a ‘gotcha’ response - it’s a prediction about what I think is going to happen.JiMMy 85 said:
Honestly, to me, that really does sound like a gotcha response. As if being opposed to the story behind the tournament isn't allowed if you watch any of it. It's the standard - and in my opinion lazy - response that we hear all the time when we find out a ubiquitous organisation is up to no good. It's what people say about bad owners owning a club "you won't care once you're winning stuff!" etc. which entirely misses the point.cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:
You really think this is a gotcha question don't you?cafctom said:
Will you be watching it?SELR_addicks said:
A lot of the advertising revenue will be based on worldwide viewership.Billy_Mix said:
BBC paying FIFA for the coverage is a ship that's sailed years ago. Us watching the coverage on BBC won't impact the finances one jot.SporadicAddick said:
..That's right, because they acquire the rights to broadcast matches for free....Billy_Mix said:
watching games on BBC won't make anybody any money at allcafctom said:
You won’t be watching any games on television then?Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.Between now and November there are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
Personally I am not watching much because I no longer care as I once did, mainly because of what the people at the top have done (this applies to pro football generally for me). It's not about boycotting, it's about being turned off. For those who feel conflicted but do end up watching it I have great sympathy. We didn't ask to be put in this position. Those people probably love the support and live for that shared experience. Watching it doesn't undermine the finger pointing. It's not inherently hypocritical to watch it. It's a shitty position where there's probably no 'right' move. I certainly don't think saying 'fuck it, let's just enjoy the show' is the right move but I wouldn't give anyone stick for doing that either.
I’m pointing out that there will be people who will criticise others for how they take in this tournament, whilst going on to do exactly the same thing.
And going to Qatar, giving them the tourism and sportswashing they are craving by hosting the tournament?
If you're saying you're not allowed to criticise option B because they're watching on tv at home is missing the point entirely.1 -
Ok mate - if you say so. I'm really not interested in going round in circles with you or anyone else telling me the semantics of what I've said.JiMMy 85 said:
That is a gotcha response. You just don’t seem to realise it.cafctom said:
I’m stating the fact that there will be people who will criticise others in the lead up to the tournament but then go and do exactly the same thing themselves, especially if England progress through the rounds. It’s not a ‘gotcha’ response - it’s a prediction about what I think is going to happen.JiMMy 85 said:
Honestly, to me, that really does sound like a gotcha response. As if being opposed to the story behind the tournament isn't allowed if you watch any of it. It's the standard - and in my opinion lazy - response that we hear all the time when we find out a ubiquitous organisation is up to no good. It's what people say about bad owners owning a club "you won't care once you're winning stuff!" etc. which entirely misses the point.cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:
You really think this is a gotcha question don't you?cafctom said:
Will you be watching it?SELR_addicks said:
A lot of the advertising revenue will be based on worldwide viewership.Billy_Mix said:
BBC paying FIFA for the coverage is a ship that's sailed years ago. Us watching the coverage on BBC won't impact the finances one jot.SporadicAddick said:
..That's right, because they acquire the rights to broadcast matches for free....Billy_Mix said:
watching games on BBC won't make anybody any money at allcafctom said:
You won’t be watching any games on television then?Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.Between now and November there are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
Personally I am not watching much because I no longer care as I once did, mainly because of what the people at the top have done (this applies to pro football generally for me). It's not about boycotting, it's about being turned off. For those who feel conflicted but do end up watching it I have great sympathy. We didn't ask to be put in this position. Those people probably love the support and live for that shared experience. Watching it doesn't undermine the finger pointing. It's not inherently hypocritical to watch it. It's a shitty position where there's probably no 'right' move. I certainly don't think saying 'fuck it, let's just enjoy the show' is the right move but I wouldn't give anyone stick for doing that either.
Back on topic. I find the point you made about having sympathy for people feeling conflicted an interesting one. And I do agree with pretty much everything you say in that 2nd paragraph. I had similar feelings when making the decision about going. In truth, I probably held the opinion that I would have no interest in going back when it was first announced 12 years ago.
The point I'm making is that I don't think it is wholly fair to criticize people going to the tournament to then still watch and enjoy it on TV yourself without realizing that all attention paid to the tournament is in some way validating it, albeit at varying levels. Some will be keen to refute that for whatever individual reason - that's up to them.0 -
It’s pointing out the hypocrisy of some.JiMMy 85 said:
That is a gotcha response. You just don’t seem to realise it.cafctom said:
I’m stating the fact that there will be people who will criticise others in the lead up to the tournament but then go and do exactly the same thing themselves, especially if England progress through the rounds. It’s not a ‘gotcha’ response - it’s a prediction about what I think is going to happen.JiMMy 85 said:
Honestly, to me, that really does sound like a gotcha response. As if being opposed to the story behind the tournament isn't allowed if you watch any of it. It's the standard - and in my opinion lazy - response that we hear all the time when we find out a ubiquitous organisation is up to no good. It's what people say about bad owners owning a club "you won't care once you're winning stuff!" etc. which entirely misses the point.cafctom said:SELR_addicks said:
You really think this is a gotcha question don't you?cafctom said:
Will you be watching it?SELR_addicks said:
A lot of the advertising revenue will be based on worldwide viewership.Billy_Mix said:
BBC paying FIFA for the coverage is a ship that's sailed years ago. Us watching the coverage on BBC won't impact the finances one jot.SporadicAddick said:
..That's right, because they acquire the rights to broadcast matches for free....Billy_Mix said:
watching games on BBC won't make anybody any money at allcafctom said:
You won’t be watching any games on television then?Friend Or Defoe said:I think fans going to this need a long hard look in the mirror.
watching games on ITV probably won't make anybody much if anything either - how do ITV charge the advertisers based on mostly made up/guessed audience figures?
boycott the FIFA affiliated tournament sponsors much like we're boycotting all the shiteating ghoulish corporations still dealing with psychopath murderer Putin and his mob.
Watch it or don't watch it for whatever reasons you tell yourself but digging people out for watching the telly is daft.
No harm, no foul?
If enough people switch it off, FIFA WILL lose money.
If you want to watch it, that's fine, but you are doing so aware of all the death and illegal activities that have gone into staging it.
Yes, but I aware of the issues surrounding the tournament and will not be going in person.
Things like shirts/books/merchandise that I might have been tempted to get I'm not doing so.
You'll notice I haven't dug a single person out for choosing to watch the event. Just don't be blind to how it came about.
And don't be blind thinking that if you watch it 'for free' on BBC, you are immune from helping the event.Between now and November there are going to be a lot of people talking about the controversies that come with this World Cup, who will point the finger at anyone who attends and anyone who watches, but will likely end up being sat in front of the television doing exactly the same themselves when it comes round to it.
Personally I am not watching much because I no longer care as I once did, mainly because of what the people at the top have done (this applies to pro football generally for me). It's not about boycotting, it's about being turned off. For those who feel conflicted but do end up watching it I have great sympathy. We didn't ask to be put in this position. Those people probably love the support and live for that shared experience. Watching it doesn't undermine the finger pointing. It's not inherently hypocritical to watch it. It's a shitty position where there's probably no 'right' move. I certainly don't think saying 'fuck it, let's just enjoy the show' is the right move but I wouldn't give anyone stick for doing that either.1 -
Apologies, I meant miles out of Doha.cafctom said:
From what I'm told, its not the sort of place you can really walk anywhere - not necessarily because of the heat either. Just the way that its laid out.Off_it said:
Yeah, but you wouldn't wanna walk it would you - certainly not in THAT heat.cafctom said:
That’s not the case at all. All of the stadiums for the tournament are located within approx 30-40 miles of each other.Friend Or Defoe said:Apparently the grounds in England's group are far away from each other and in the middle of no where with nothing to do, enjoy.
The metro links together 6 of the 8 stadiums pretty easily. The remaining 2 will take a bit more planning - but its such a small place that you can get taxis anywhere without spending too much.
Climate in November can get as high as 28/29 at most. Not excruciating like it would be in the Summer.
Guess you could get taxis if there weren't 60k people wanting to do the same thing. Guessing they'll be buses, perhaps visit a nearby pub while you wait for the queues to die down?2
