I bet feed my four for less than 3 quid a day. Feckin PAH hate people like me.
Mind you, I don't suppose you have PAH out there?
Oops, PAH = Pets at Home.
I get Orijen imported, costs a bloody fortune!
If you had some tips of home prepped food and it's not too cheeky to ask, perhaps we could exchange some PM's.
I'm not to clued up on raw diet, but I do know there is a FB page on the subject. But mine eat everything from chicken wings/legs/carcass through to salmon, pork and beef. Just remember no cooked bones just raw bones.........
The pork would have to be cooked. It's the only raw meat they advice not to give dogs, as it can contain a parasite that can do them a lot of harm. I have mine on a mainly raw diet and they are a picture of health. They tend to have 60% raw meat, 20% veg/fruit, 20% carbs, usually brown rice, potatoes, or pasta, preferable the gluten free stuff (which my daughter has to have anyway so makes it easy for me), no chips!. A splash of salmon oil a day (best bought online). As a treat a raw egg or two a week and a small tin of sardines or pilchards, in the tomato sauce (42p from tescos. Got to be the tomato sauce. Tried to give them the ones in the olive oil and they turned their noses up). They love all of these and really good for their coats. Tried giving mine raw bones to chew to keep their teeth clean but the biggun always tries to bury his, usually in a pile of the wife's clean washing (which as you can imagine she weren't too happy about! "Love, why the f*** have I got a half eaten raw turkey thigh in with my clean whites??!!") or our kids duvets so had to stop that. Just make do with the occasional raw hide and paddy whack now.
When I do give them conventional dog food I usually go for Arden Grange. Very good quality but a lot cheaper than the likes of James wellbeloved, wainwrights etc. Never touch the big name brands, pedigree chum, bakers, etc. Pile of shit. Full of additives, colourings, very poor quality and unsuitable carbs, 'animal derivatives' (which can basically be anything! Cancerous lumps, beaks, hoofs etc) and the main reason, I believe, why so many dogs die or have to be put down before their time.
I'm afraid when I lived up there Avery hill was one place I avoided with my dogs. Poor dog ownership is everywhere, only this morning when was out with our puppy 3 small breeds charged at her and the owner smirking at me said they won't do that when she's fully grown. My reply was if one my fully grown dogs had done to hers she'd have been calling the police. I'm afraid it's the £Uck everyone else attitude that's widespread through society, we have a section of beach here that dogs are allowed on all year around. Some owners mentality is the sunbathers should piss up off up the other end and will wander along the beach slinging a fecking ball over the heads of picnicking families. It's just poor behavioural standards, some people with dogs need to understand while they know their dog may not bite the person on the receiving end of their dogs attention is not reassured by your word on it and from a child's perspective it's even more frightening. As I said to someone the other day, sit on the floor and call my dog and then you'll see him from a child's height. As "responsible" dog owner I like would to invite you and your family down to meet Bailey and Valli and the pack and have private agility display at our paddock. Ray
I would like to make a BIG public THANK YOU to Ray and Lin for inviting us and making us so welcome today. We all had a great time, and came away with a much more confident 2 year old grand-daughter for the experience of being with Bailey, JJ, Zena and the adorable Valli. At 14 week Valli is an absolute credit (as they all are) and lapped up the attention Mia gave to her.
It was great to see the older dogs in action too. Here's a couple of pics from today, all rounded off with a pleasant lunch on the sea front.
I'm afraid when I lived up there Avery hill was one place I avoided with my dogs. Poor dog ownership is everywhere, only this morning when was out with our puppy 3 small breeds charged at her and the owner smirking at me said they won't do that when she's fully grown. My reply was if one my fully grown dogs had done to hers she'd have been calling the police. I'm afraid it's the £Uck everyone else attitude that's widespread through society, we have a section of beach here that dogs are allowed on all year around. Some owners mentality is the sunbathers should piss up off up the other end and will wander along the beach slinging a fecking ball over the heads of picnicking families. It's just poor behavioural standards, some people with dogs need to understand while they know their dog may not bite the person on the receiving end of their dogs attention is not reassured by your word on it and from a child's perspective it's even more frightening. As I said to someone the other day, sit on the floor and call my dog and then you'll see him from a child's height. As "responsible" dog owner I like would to invite you and your family down to meet Bailey and Valli and the pack and have private agility display at our paddock. Ray
I would like to make a BIG public THANK YOU to Ray and Lin for inviting us and making us so welcome today. We all had a great time, and came away with a much more confident 2 year old grand-daughter for the experience of being with Bailey, JJ, Zena and the adorable Valli. At 14 week Valli is an absolute credit (as they all are) and lapped up the attention Mia gave to her.
It was great to see the older dogs in action too. Here's a couple of pics from today, all rounded off with a pleasant lunch on the sea front.
Thanks again, Ray.
The pleasure was all ours, it was a shame it got a bit to warm, plus JJ was in a bad mood I'd like to have done a bit more for you. Bailey is just Bailey, there is another side to him but a 2 year old wouldn't of understood what we do and why. Xena lapped up the attention and Valli considering her age was very steady. Thank you to all your family for giving your trust in our dogs, young Mia hopefully will be better for the meeting and go on to conquer her fears. I'll send the photos to C on FB and put a couple on here, take care. Ray
Does anyone use a tracker of some kind attached to their dog's collar? We have a short haired pointer now, and sometimes out in the woods she really covers some ground. I was looking at something called a trackr which works with an app, but I am not sure it is really meant for this use, even if they claim it is
Does anyone use a tracker of some kind attached to their dog's collar? We have a short haired pointer now, and sometimes out in the woods she really covers some ground. I was looking at something called a trackr which works with an app, but I am not sure it is really meant for this use, even if they claim it is
That only works within 100ft and that sounds questionable in itself.
Pretty sure there are better options out there like tractive which has its own has beacon inside it.
Or go to primark and bye their invisible socks you have spent far to long away from the U.K. Thankfully brexit will assist this fashion faux pas
Yes, yes, I know. They are Keen walking socks. Kind of important, if you are doing a lot of walking. As I found out to my cost, before I bought them.
BTW that place is where three EU borders connect (Austria, Hungary, Slovenia). As you can see, the uncontrolled border is full of swarms of economic migrants on their way to your lorries...
the thing with Gina is, she really needs a good long run off the leash each day, and that means pursuing quarry. It's in her genes. We use a whistle, and most of the time she comes back quickly enough, from a completely different direction to where we last saw or heard her, having covered probably 5km in almost as many minutes. But on that holiday she went off into a marshy area, and we had not yet got her swimming so we got anxious of course. If something like this worked, we would at least have an idea where to go after her. Oh and of course which neighbour's garden she is in, chasing a cat.
Recall is the best course of action, we're still working on it with Diego.
Shiba Inu are famous for their lack of recall interest.
We keep him on a long lead now whenever we want him to be able to roam for two reasons:
1. He can get a decent run out and we can enjoy him roaming as much as he does.
2. If he's not listening to recall or in mega play mode he's easier to catch.
Probably not great in others opinions, until we get a guaranteed recall method, we'll keep working this way and in secure open spaces we can continue to work on his recall.
I guess what we are struggling with is what you might call "long distance recall", and we would welcome any thoughts and advice.
She is getting better at recall when she is within sight, or close by. But this is a dog that really needs the free run every day. And when she goes, she goes a long way. Some people here have suggested one of these collars that, ultimately, sends a minor electric shock, but we are very unhappy if we would have to resort to that, and anyway, they must also have range issues too.
You could say that this is not an ideal breed as a pet. But so long as she gets her hour off the leash, for the rest of the time she is perfect, less demanding than our Labrador was. She is also a rescue dog, hunters had been abusing her, because she didn't do what they wanted her to do effectively. My wife has done a fantastic job in boosting her self-confidence, as well as her physical condition, she was very thin when we took her.
Some people here have suggested one of these collars that, ultimately, sends a minor electric shock, but we are very unhappy if we would have to resort to that, and anyway, they must also have range issues too.
To answer this one first..........."No, just no" If you live out in the sticks? Everytime you wish to recall your dog and she/he doesnt come back put your hand on an Electric Fence, that would be what you would be what you would be doing to your dog. Its not nice at all and certainly not necessary and personally fail to see how that would help recall. Recall is all about getting your dogs attention, and then give the command. Its all about making yourself more interesting than what your dog is doing/found. When I get owners that come to training with recall issues, I always get the owners attention by betting them my hours fee I will recall their dog against them. So we release the dog in the paddock and ask them to call it and then I call it, more often than not they stand calling their dogs name, whereas I call out puppy/make stupid noises and if necessary run around waving my arms about. I have never lost that bet, yes I may look/sound ridiculous but my dogs all recall and thats how I teach owners to recall their dogs. Mrs Redmidland told on my first training session in the arse end of nowhere. If you feel embarrassed calling your dog like that, imagine how embarrassed you'd feel chasing it down the road because it won't come back.
Some people here have suggested one of these collars that, ultimately, sends a minor electric shock, but we are very unhappy if we would have to resort to that, and anyway, they must also have range issues too.
To answer this one first..........."No, just no" If you live out in the sticks? Everytime you wish to recall your dog and she/he doesnt come back put your hand on an Electric Fence, that would be what you would be what you would be doing to your dog. Its not nice at all and certainly not necessary and personally fail to see how that would help recall. Recall is all about getting your dogs attention, and then give the command. Its all about making yourself more interesting than what your dog is doing/found. When I get owners that come to training with recall issues, I always get the owners attention by betting them my hours fee I will recall their dog against them. So we release the dog in the paddock and ask them to call it and then I call it, more often than not they stand calling their dogs name, whereas I call out puppy/make stupid noises and if necessary run around waving my arms about. I have never lost that bet, yes I may look/sound ridiculous but my dogs all recall and thats how I teach owners to recall their dogs. Mrs Redmidland told on my first training session in the arse end of nowhere. If you feel embarrassed calling your dog like that, imagine how embarrassed you'd feel chasing it down the road because it won't come back.
Thanks a lot for this Ray. We strongly believe in the whole positive reinforcement model, so the electirc collar thing really isn't something we would want to use.
If I may though (and any suggestion from anyone, is very much appreciated) I would like to explain our problem in more detail.
Generally we have made good progress with recall in normal situations, that is when she is within sight, in a park or our garden.
But...we have two problems. She is a hunter, and she covers huge distances at speeds like a panther's. And when we got her this Jan, she was already nearly 5, and had been brought up as a working dog with hunters, who did not treat her well.
So when she picks up the scent, that is a very strong pull. So we need to find a way to stop her gong off in the first place, on the trail of the quarry.
Separately, she does need to have that long run off the leash. She is notably happier when she has that, rather than say an hour on the leash. So the problem is, how to get her attention when she is already a kilometer away? That is the second thing we struggle with. Well, that's putting it mildly. We stand in the woods, blowing on the whistle, calling her name, and feeling rather foolish :-)
It looks as though German Shepherd number four will be winging its way to me. At only 7 months old this handsome lad is already needing rehoming, I'm going to take him despite JJ being at that teenager stage as most rescues don't like to rehome at the silly season. So I need some suggestions as to naming this fella, it must be Charlton themed name. Please forget about the currant squad (JJ) is already here and any management under the currant regime..... I was leaning towards "Kins" Kinsella but is doesn't work to well when calling a dog.
It looks as though German Shepherd number four will be winging its way to me. At only 7 months old this handsome lad is already needing rehoming, I'm going to take him despite JJ being at that teenager stage as most rescues don't like to rehome at the silly season. So I need some suggestions as to naming this fella, it must be Charlton themed name. Please forget about the currant squad (JJ) is already here and any management under the currant regime..... I was leaning towards "Kins" Kinsella but is doesn't work to well when calling a dog.
Surely it has to be Roland!
Noooo. Not fair on such a beautiful dog.
Kashi. Owner-friendly name for a dog, and Kashi will be re-homed soon to.
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Tried giving mine raw bones to chew to keep their teeth clean but the biggun always tries to bury his, usually in a pile of the wife's clean washing (which as you can imagine she weren't too happy about! "Love, why the f*** have I got a half eaten raw turkey thigh in with my clean whites??!!") or our kids duvets so had to stop that. Just make do with the occasional raw hide and paddy whack now.
When I do give them conventional dog food I usually go for Arden Grange. Very good quality but a lot cheaper than the likes of James wellbeloved, wainwrights etc. Never touch the big name brands, pedigree chum, bakers, etc. Pile of shit. Full of additives, colourings, very poor quality and unsuitable carbs, 'animal derivatives' (which can basically be anything! Cancerous lumps, beaks, hoofs etc) and the main reason, I believe, why so many dogs die or have to be put down before their time.
It was great to see the older dogs in action too. Here's a couple of pics from today, all rounded off with a pleasant lunch on the sea front.
Thanks again, Ray.
Ray
Or go to primark and bye their invisible socks you have spent far to long away from the U.K. Thankfully brexit will assist this fashion faux pas
Pretty sure there are better options out there like tractive which has its own has beacon inside it.
https://video-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t43.1792-2/14568343_1112890822151498_7944572578469773312_n.mp4?efg=eyJybHIiOjE1MDAsInJsYSI6MTAyNCwidmVuY29kZV90YWciOiJzdmVfaGQifQ==&rl=1500&vabr=952&oh=db932bffaf634a1f1f0c3d61de58b8b0&oe=58134782&dl=1
BTW that place is where three EU borders connect (Austria, Hungary, Slovenia). As you can see, the uncontrolled border is full of swarms of economic migrants on their way to your lorries...
:-)
@T.C.E
the thing with Gina is, she really needs a good long run off the leash each day, and that means pursuing quarry. It's in her genes. We use a whistle, and most of the time she comes back quickly enough, from a completely different direction to where we last saw or heard her, having covered probably 5km in almost as many minutes. But on that holiday she went off into a marshy area, and we had not yet got her swimming so we got anxious of course. If something like this worked, we would at least have an idea where to go after her. Oh and of course which neighbour's garden she is in, chasing a cat.
Shiba Inu are famous for their lack of recall interest.
We keep him on a long lead now whenever we want him to be able to roam for two reasons:
1. He can get a decent run out and we can enjoy him roaming as much as he does.
2. If he's not listening to recall or in mega play mode he's easier to catch.
Probably not great in others opinions, until we get a guaranteed recall method, we'll keep working this way and in secure open spaces we can continue to work on his recall.
She is getting better at recall when she is within sight, or close by. But this is a dog that really needs the free run every day. And when she goes, she goes a long way. Some people here have suggested one of these collars that, ultimately, sends a minor electric shock, but we are very unhappy if we would have to resort to that, and anyway, they must also have range issues too.
You could say that this is not an ideal breed as a pet. But so long as she gets her hour off the leash, for the rest of the time she is perfect, less demanding than our Labrador was. She is also a rescue dog, hunters had been abusing her, because she didn't do what they wanted her to do effectively. My wife has done a fantastic job in boosting her self-confidence, as well as her physical condition, she was very thin when we took her.
Anybody got one, or know much about this breed?
That with their great Beer food and landscape makes it a must visit
If you live out in the sticks? Everytime you wish to recall your dog and she/he doesnt come back put your hand on an Electric Fence, that would be what you would be what you would be doing to your dog. Its not nice at all and certainly not necessary and personally fail to see how that would help recall.
Recall is all about getting your dogs attention, and then give the command. Its all about making yourself more interesting than what your dog is doing/found.
When I get owners that come to training with recall issues, I always get the owners attention by betting them my hours fee I will recall their dog against them. So we release the dog in the paddock and ask them to call it and then I call it, more often than not they stand calling their dogs name, whereas I call out puppy/make stupid noises and if necessary run around waving my arms about. I have never lost that bet, yes I may look/sound ridiculous but my dogs all recall and thats how I teach owners to recall their dogs. Mrs Redmidland told on my first training session in the arse end of nowhere. If you feel embarrassed calling your dog like that, imagine how embarrassed you'd feel chasing it down the road because it won't come back.
Nothing there D
If I may though (and any suggestion from anyone, is very much appreciated) I would like to explain our problem in more detail.
Generally we have made good progress with recall in normal situations, that is when she is within sight, in a park or our garden.
But...we have two problems. She is a hunter, and she covers huge distances at speeds like a panther's. And when we got her this Jan, she was already nearly 5, and had been brought up as a working dog with hunters, who did not treat her well.
So when she picks up the scent, that is a very strong pull. So we need to find a way to stop her gong off in the first place, on the trail of the quarry.
Separately, she does need to have that long run off the leash. She is notably happier when she has that, rather than say an hour on the leash. So the problem is, how to get her attention when she is already a kilometer away? That is the second thing we struggle with. Well, that's putting it mildly. We stand in the woods, blowing on the whistle, calling her name, and feeling rather foolish :-)
Nelson (the fatter one) has his happy tongue out. George is unfortunately losing his sight in his one remaining eye and looks petrified.
Kashi. Owner-friendly name for a dog, and Kashi will be re-homed soon to.
Rufus - obvious