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  • Mrs Elf's aunt was looking for another home for this little beauty.  We have taken her on.
    She has the features of a sausage dog but not sure what mix she is.
  • Mrs Remdidland is a dog trainer, she trains all breeds and in all situations. She has been learning her skill (that's what it is) for over 20 yrs, when we got our first GSD. She runs training courses and videos on dog training, but readily admits to STILL learning now...everyday!
    She deals with reactive dogs and all of what @TCE says is true! Owners of reactive dogs, of all sizes, when out tend to tighten the dogs lead which transmits down to the dog, they immediately go into ' Where's the trouble' mode.
    As for the answer, it's impractical, but all owners should undergo compulsory training, however as Ray says who's going to police it!
    Bad owners, bad breeders, no training, no respect for others dogs, etc etc  ultimately culminate in the 'attack' situation.
    Sadly, as has become apparent with my wife's small business, less and less people are going to dog trainers nowadays, she charges £7.50 per hour, less than minimum wage, thats all but classes are now just 3 or 4 people, tops!
    In fact with fuel costs, hire of a hall and time spent, she losses money on virtually every class!
    When @TCE first got his GSD's he drove all the way up here to Hinckley, so my Mrs could help him 'train', and he has gone from strength to strength!
    This now is a thing of the past, and until mind sets are changed, sadly dogs will be condemned, owners will get away with it and people will die or be seriously injured.
    She now is going to put videos up on line, where she strips back training to its basics, there will be a series of videos added to each week, I belive the subscription is £5.00 per month! 
    We are trying to run affordable training for all that can be accessed 365 days a week and makes training fun for dog AND owners!
    It will then move onto more specialised training for those who want It.
    There are really good owners and dogs out there, but are being dragged down by the increase in irresponsible people.
    Rant over!


  • When Valli (Then16 weeks old) met some shiny new puppies on their first day out.



  • Mrs Elf's aunt was looking for another home for this little beauty.  We have taken her on.
    She has the features of a sausage dog but not sure what mix she is.
    Well done, elfs.

    I'm sure she'll have a lovely life with you both.
  • sam3110 said:
    The problem isn't the dogs 90% of the time, it's the owners. 

    Scumbags will always be scumbags and have aggressive dogs, whether it's a bully, a shepherd or a wolfhound on the end of the lead, it doesn't matter, so long as they think it makes them look hard
    Sure, but the fact is that there have been 22 humans killed by dogs since 2020, 10 of which were by Bullies and none by shepherds or wolfhounds. The problem is the dogs and the owners. 
  • @Redmidland with his first dog 😉

  • https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66820591

    "It is unclear exactly how a ban on XL bullies would work and Downing Street said there had been "no final decision" on what will happen to people who already own XL bullies when they are banned."


  • Magnus meeting Aesop for the first time.
  • https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66820591

    "It is unclear exactly how a ban on XL bullies would work and Downing Street said there had been "no final decision" on what will happen to people who already own XL bullies when they are banned."
    The very least that should be done is that the dogs have to be neutered or spayed so they can't breed them.
    Also they should be kept on a leed and muzzled whenever outside the house. 
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  • Magnus meeting Aesop for the first time.
    Magnus' thought bubble:
    "That's an odd-shaped pasty! But a nice crust"
  • T_C_E said:
    @Redmidland with his first dog 😉

    Why's the dog got a suit on?
  • I had to tell an establishment I would not bring my dogs in while they are not prepared to listen to simple guidelines laid down by me. 
    “It should be alright” is not an assurance, just as “they told me it would be ok” wouldn’t be an acceptable explanation from me if went wrong. 



  • My gorgeous boys - I have no worries about them around anyone - well trained - we have been in pubs and little toddlers have wanted to stroke them - understandably their parents ask about our 2 boys (no issue with that, and the right approach) 

    We have had little toddlers laying on them, fiddling with their ears and tails - my boys simply laid down, or gave them them an occasional lick on the face

    Bring your dogs up right …… 
  • This dirty b****** just burped in my face after eating sprats, green tripe and venison for dinner. Fecking stinks 🤢

  • edited September 2023
    The question that has to be asked is what sort of owner wants an XL Bully? ANd if they can't get one, could they not train another large dog to be aggressive? It is absolutely the owners you have to look at if you want to solve the problem. The other issue is it is not just people who are attacked but other dogs. It is unacceptable and banning one breed may look good and seem right but I don't think it will solve the problem in itself. I think you need to find a way of taking these people out of the equation.

    What really annoys me at the moment is when another dog rushes up to my dog and the owner calls out, it's ok, he's friendly. Firstly you don't know this for sure and secondly you can have some nervous dogs, some of which have been attacked before and if you can't stop your dog doing this off lead which some owners can effectively, you should keep them on a lead.
  • My brother and his partner have a cross bread of an XL Bully and a Staff (my brothers partner has always had staffs so shes used to them). 1 year old. 
    Looked after it recently. Had i known what they can be like I probably would of refused.
    I'm not a massive fan of dogs anyway due to being attacked by two when i was a kid and on a separate occasion going to the bull in chielsehurst where I went up to the bar to get another drink came back to where I was sitting to find some dog laying on my seat. owners oblivious. 

    anyway.

    My brothers dog is as can be expected at such a young age, very playful and he always wants to be near people. Mainly me when I was looking after him. Inside easy to control. Soon as we went outside it starts jumping up and nibbles(not biting). Unfortunately it would want to do the same to others if I wasn't there to stop it. 
    Very strong dog. Playful but I can see why if it turns it can be very difficult to control. 
  • edited September 2023
    Gun, knives, drugs to name but a few are all banned. 
    Again, who police’s a banned dog breed?
    Our police force don’t have the man power to enforce the real issues, let alone a Bobby spotting a banned dog breed whether they have experience in identifying the breeds or not. 
    Until people stop buying dogs from kitchen/backyard breeders it will continue and dogs being bred to specific designs be they aggressive or pretty designs. 

  • I like dogs and for some reason I don't entirely fathom, dogs seem to like me. (Even my niece's Kerry Blue, which hated everyone, liked me.  It seemed to take on a role as my personal protection dog and would reserve a spot on the sofa for me.)

    In my old job I also had the "pleasure" of meeting out and out guard dogs. I never had an issue with any of them.  The only dog I don't get on with is a Bichon Frise which is about the size and weight of a box of cereal - perhaps it doesn't like that I call it Swiffer because I think it looks like the branded dusting brush.

    Anyway, these XL things are another matter. I don't think I'd go near one.  The law just has to take the path of least resistance. Even though slicks are far safer than treaded tyres in dry conditions, we ban bald tyres, for obvious reasons. Hand guns, banned. Jumping jacks fireworks, banned. Okay this is an animal we are talking about. But it is a large potentially erratic beast.  We are happy to have something that weighs about 12 pounds as a pet even though cats of any size would be perfectly happy to rip great chunks out of you.  But no one thinks it would be sensible to pop a panther on a lead and stroll down to the pub with it.  Banning the XLs is the only sensible option.  Over time they will die out much like ULEZ busting vehicles.

    In the past, of course, people had different views but laws get fine-tuned over time.  There was a Wall of Death rider called George "Tornado" Smith who lived in Boxford in Suffolk.  He had a pet lioness he used to walk around the village.  I'm guessing that would not be allowed now.

    Tornado Smith

  • I don't think it will end with the XL Bully, there's other similar crosses, American Bull dogs to my untrained eye look very similar and are high up the charts for attacks.

    Staff's still make up quite a large number on the attack charts, I think people forget that they like the American Pitt bull were created and bred for dog fighting, that said I've never known a bad one.

    I can see a situation before too long where a fair number of breeds will need to be muzzled in public and on a leash, but that won't help if one simply escapes through a door or over a fence.

    My favourite dog the Doberman and also the Rottweiler both seem to have shrunk in popularity and whilst once were considered a 'dangerous' dog (not in respect of the act) seems to be less so now.

    As always 95% of the time it's down to the breeding/breeders and owners, but how you combat that without banning certain breeds I do not know, but something needs to happen that's clear.
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  • And so it begins!

  • To start I will say I also do not know what the answer is and how you can blanket ban a dog breed. 

    Unfortunately this particular breed are popular with the type of people you’d give a wide birth to even if they didn’t have a 60-70kg beast next to them. I’ve had so much interaction with them in the last 3 years where popularity has skyrocketed and I can only think of one dog that was calm, approachable and under control. Every out of hours call regarding labour at the moment is these dogs and in the majority of cases you can tell the “owner” has no idea what labour involves, how to prepare the bitch, what signs they are struggling etc. I even had one charming young man tell me he had got dental floss ready for the(10second pause) umbilical cord. Deep down I knew he’d be cropping the ears. 

    In the veterinary world nearly every single person I know has the stance “no bad dog only bad owner”. I agree in a general sense but, I think I’ve gone against the grain with this breed. The sheer strength, power, innate aggression and interbreeding has created an agile dog that will by natural instinct go for your jugular. I feel morally conflicted working nights with one very petite female surgeon, knowing my safety is at risk but wanting to put animal welfare first. 
    Going back to my first point is why it’s so difficult to police even if the breed is characterised and defined as a breed by the KC and subsequently placed on the dangerous dogs list. People will find a way, like weapons, class A’s etc. 
  • Tomorrow see’s our Therapy dogs return to St George’s Primary school here on Minster for our 8th school year as Reading dogs, our 11th year in attendance at school. Our chosen breed the German Shepherd was the XL bully of the 80s where the status of a breed of dog was used to show dogs in a bad light just like the Rottie and the Dobbie was in the 70s/90s and the Staffies were in the 00s mainly through the irresponsibility on the other end of the lead. 
    We will continue all the while we can to share the positives of larger breeds working with all ages despite the little interest outside of this forum, supporting children of all ages and abilities as well as adults in our various care homes, groups and colleges. 
    Thank you again to those that support our work and take an interest especially our friendly spanner’s. 👍👍👍



  • my dog ruffles is a perfect angel, more likely to lick you to death than to maul!
    just make sure that you don't make any sudden movements near him or stay too still 
  • How did Milly get on?
    And how did the dog react? 🙏🏻♥️
  • Millie was brilliant, she sat to Bow's left as he always lays head to the right something she pointed out to her teacher. 
    Halfway through he picked up her scent and as he looked for her his view was blocked by another teacher, pretty similar to when we are in the corridor he knew she was there but couldn't see her.
    She said hello at the end as did all the children and watched as she left the hall and disappeared to class, to which he had a gentle whine.
    Fortunately the "Dont leave me" barking he does when she's visiting us didn't happen, that would terrify young children that cant interpret barking tones. 
    So extra pocket money for Millie on Monday and a pigs head for Bow. ;)
    Couldnt be more proud of our Lockdown puppy x
  • Oh Ray!
    I’m grinning like a Cheshire Cat reading that.
    You’re blooming marvellous 🤩 
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