Wonder what the people who don't like JD think of Gervais, Carr, Boyle etc, constantly using cancer, paedophilia and disability in their material? Generally, just by merely saying you don't find it funny, you're immiately told that it is, in fact, very funny, but you just "don't get it".
They're all still in regular work, even though they constantly "offend" people. Mainly because, I think, the people they do offend don't shout and ball about it.
Remember, when asked on his Desert Island Discs, Jimmy Carr saying that the only subject he wouldn't joke about was the Hillsborough disaster. I don't think he was being completely honest, even if its only because he wouldn't get any work again.
I personally don't find JD funny as a comedian. Maybe the odd thing he's come out with has made me chuckle, but I struggle with most stand up comedy as I get older.
The thing is, Boyle and Gervais are clever people and you know that a joke... is a joke and not a personal opinion, which has been pointed out many times on here.
Sorry for not keeping up on what's what mate. Gotta be honest, I generally avoid getting into these types of debates these days and leave to you lot to dictate what the rest of us are allowed to think..
BTW, who's the arbiter on which comedian is clever enough to take the piss out of people with learning difficulties and what's the benchmark of cleverness to be considered by the arbiter?
But that’s the point, he’s not taking the piss out of people with learning difficulties. In Gervais’ own words:
“People mistake the subject of a joke with the actual target.”
My view is the “older” comedians don’t differentiate between the two.
Yeah I've heard these weird explanations a few times and I completely get what they're saying, but answer this - why do they never use the same logic and tell racist jokes?
Because that would be racist.
But you can tell jokes about race without being racist.
Not bothered by his jokes, it's his personal opinions about other human beings that make him a wrongen.
It's great that he's supported the military over the years, but he should have the intelligence to know that people dont travel across the globe to live on a boat and claim £60 a week unless they really need to.
Re your final comment I think there is more to it than that.
Not bothered by his jokes, it's his personal opinions about other human beings that make him a wrongen.
It's great that he's supported the military over the years, but he should have the intelligence to know that people dont travel across the globe to live on a boat and claim £60 a week unless they really need to.
How do they need to? They are already in a safe country in which they can claim asylum, i.e France.
JD simply reflects the majority view, it is not controversial. Maybe he has the intelligence to realise that if you have an out of date immigration system that reflects a different age which makes it almost impossible to say no to any Tom, Dick or Harry, then that will be exploited by economic migrants (not that I blame them and I certainly understand their wish for a better life with better prospects), when it is supposed to be for genuine asylum cases.
Yes, they may have to live on a boat or whatever for a while, but they'll get citizenship soon enough. In the unlikely case that they are denied asylum, they will simply disappear into the black economy - the chances of them being found and deported are slim; I'm sure that JD has the intelligence to realise that, as do most people.
Whatever you think of JD, at least he's not credulous.
Might be the majority view within your circle, but I don't think that's mirrored by the rest of the population.
Tens of thousands are f***** off with the situation. Jimbo says it how it is.
Not bothered by his jokes, it's his personal opinions about other human beings that make him a wrongen.
It's great that he's supported the military over the years, but he should have the intelligence to know that people dont travel across the globe to live on a boat and claim £60 a week unless they really need to.
How do they need to? They are already in a safe country in which they can claim asylum, i.e France.
JD simply reflects the majority view, it is not controversial. Maybe he has the intelligence to realise that if you have an out of date immigration system that reflects a different age which makes it almost impossible to say no to any Tom, Dick or Harry, then that will be exploited by economic migrants (not that I blame them and I certainly understand their wish for a better life with better prospects), when it is supposed to be for genuine asylum cases.
Yes, they may have to live on a boat or whatever for a while, but they'll get citizenship soon enough. In the unlikely case that they are denied asylum, they will simply disappear into the black economy - the chances of them being found and deported are slim; I'm sure that JD has the intelligence to realise that, as do most people.
Whatever you think of JD, at least he's not credulous.
Might be the majority view within your circle, but I don't think that's mirrored by the rest of the population.
Tens of thousands are f***** off with the situation. Jimbo says it how it is.
Not bothered by his jokes, it's his personal opinions about other human beings that make him a wrongen.
It's great that he's supported the military over the years, but he should have the intelligence to know that people dont travel across the globe to live on a boat and claim £60 a week unless they really need to.
How do they need to? They are already in a safe country in which they can claim asylum, i.e France.
JD simply reflects the majority view, it is not controversial. Maybe he has the intelligence to realise that if you have an out of date immigration system that reflects a different age which makes it almost impossible to say no to any Tom, Dick or Harry, then that will be exploited by economic migrants (not that I blame them and I certainly understand their wish for a better life with better prospects), when it is supposed to be for genuine asylum cases.
Yes, they may have to live on a boat or whatever for a while, but they'll get citizenship soon enough. In the unlikely case that they are denied asylum, they will simply disappear into the black economy - the chances of them being found and deported are slim; I'm sure that JD has the intelligence to realise that, as do most people.
Whatever you think of JD, at least he's not credulous.
Might be the majority view within your circle, but I don't think that's mirrored by the rest of the population.
Tens of thousands are f***** off with the situation. Jimbo says it how it is.
Think it's been exposed today the sham lawyers directing them too. No doubt when JD mentions crooked lawyers the usual will say its fine and attack him.
Not bothered by his jokes, it's his personal opinions about other human beings that make him a wrongen.
It's great that he's supported the military over the years, but he should have the intelligence to know that people dont travel across the globe to live on a boat and claim £60 a week unless they really need to.
How do they need to? They are already in a safe country in which they can claim asylum, i.e France.
JD simply reflects the majority view, it is not controversial. Maybe he has the intelligence to realise that if you have an out of date immigration system that reflects a different age which makes it almost impossible to say no to any Tom, Dick or Harry, then that will be exploited by economic migrants (not that I blame them and I certainly understand their wish for a better life with better prospects), when it is supposed to be for genuine asylum cases.
Yes, they may have to live on a boat or whatever for a while, but they'll get citizenship soon enough. In the unlikely case that they are denied asylum, they will simply disappear into the black economy - the chances of them being found and deported are slim; I'm sure that JD has the intelligence to realise that, as do most people.
Whatever you think of JD, at least he's not credulous.
Might be the majority view within your circle, but I don't think that's mirrored by the rest of the population.
Tens of thousands are f***** off with the situation. Jimbo says it how it is.
He seems pretty obsessed with it.
I'd say he was concerned.
Numerous tedious ramblings on his YouTube channel.
Not bothered by his jokes, it's his personal opinions about other human beings that make him a wrongen.
It's great that he's supported the military over the years, but he should have the intelligence to know that people dont travel across the globe to live on a boat and claim £60 a week unless they really need to.
How do they need to? They are already in a safe country in which they can claim asylum, i.e France.
JD simply reflects the majority view, it is not controversial. Maybe he has the intelligence to realise that if you have an out of date immigration system that reflects a different age which makes it almost impossible to say no to any Tom, Dick or Harry, then that will be exploited by economic migrants (not that I blame them and I certainly understand their wish for a better life with better prospects), when it is supposed to be for genuine asylum cases.
Yes, they may have to live on a boat or whatever for a while, but they'll get citizenship soon enough. In the unlikely case that they are denied asylum, they will simply disappear into the black economy - the chances of them being found and deported are slim; I'm sure that JD has the intelligence to realise that, as do most people.
Whatever you think of JD, at least he's not credulous.
Might be the majority view within your circle, but I don't think that's mirrored by the rest of the population.
Tens of thousands are f***** off with the situation. Jimbo says it how it is.
He seems pretty obsessed with it.
I'd say he was concerned.
Numerous tedious ramblings on his YouTube channel.
You say tedious, tens of thousands will agree with him. I appreciate we are all entitled to our own opinion.
'Two thirds of people think levels of migration to the UK are too high, a new poll for i has revealed'.
You're right, most of the people I know aren't credulous and aren't too keen on their patch turning into a mini-Karachi or Somalia. Surprising, I know.
Bang on the money again. Don't get derailed by the dozen or so here that appose your view. In the real world it is as you say...
Not bothered by his jokes, it's his personal opinions about other human beings that make him a wrongen.
It's great that he's supported the military over the years, but he should have the intelligence to know that people dont travel across the globe to live on a boat and claim £60 a week unless they really need to.
How do they need to? They are already in a safe country in which they can claim asylum, i.e France.
JD simply reflects the majority view, it is not controversial. Maybe he has the intelligence to realise that if you have an out of date immigration system that reflects a different age which makes it almost impossible to say no to any Tom, Dick or Harry, then that will be exploited by economic migrants (not that I blame them and I certainly understand their wish for a better life with better prospects), when it is supposed to be for genuine asylum cases.
Yes, they may have to live on a boat or whatever for a while, but they'll get citizenship soon enough. In the unlikely case that they are denied asylum, they will simply disappear into the black economy - the chances of them being found and deported are slim; I'm sure that JD has the intelligence to realise that, as do most people.
Whatever you think of JD, at least he's not credulous.
Might be the majority view within your circle, but I don't think that's mirrored by the rest of the population.
Tens of thousands are f***** off with the situation. Jimbo says it how it is.
He seems pretty obsessed with it.
I'd say he was concerned.
Numerous tedious ramblings on his YouTube channel.
You say tedious, tens of thousands will agree with him. I appreciate we are all entitled to our own opinion.
Just making the point that he goes on about this stuff ad infinitum - all a bit tedious. Needs to work on his material...
Some of his stories are pretty funny, especially (ive posted it before so won't do it again) when he got stopped by the police and breathalysed but wasn't driving.
my dad had his sinderella pantomime on video. I remember my parents were out so I watched it (aged 11 ish), it was great for an 11 year old in 1990. His material and attitude hasn't moved with the times and I wouldn't watch him now.
my top three comedians now
jimmy carr, so good at dealing with hecklers Jack Whitehall, just a funny guy frank skinner, doesn't swear
Some of his views and comedy now seem very dated but we seem to have this discussion about him on multiple threads every 6 months. I don’t know why people seem to get so wound up by him, he’s not the forefront of celebrity news, just ignore him.
Some of his views and comedy now seem very dated but we seem to have this discussion about him on multiple threads every 6 months. I don’t know why people seem to get so wound up by him, he’s not the forefront of celebrity news, just ignore him.
Someone else brought him up on this thread, saying "He's back". I sent a joke response, other people said "like him or loath him, he's a good comedian" and it took from there.
He's a Charlton fan and thus a person of interest. It's a football forum and we can choose to comment or not. There we have it
Some of his views and comedy now seem very dated but we seem to have this discussion about him on multiple threads every 6 months. I don’t know why people seem to get so wound up by him, he’s not the forefront of celebrity news, just ignore him.
Someone else brought him up on this thread, saying "He's back". I sent a joke response, other people said "like him or loath him, he's a good comedian" and it took from there.
He's a Charlton fan and thus a person of interest. It's a football forum and we can choose to comment or not. There we have it
Yeah fair, it’s just the same convo over again tho. Seems pointless to me but hey ho.
Argh, wasn’t going to comment on this thread, but here we go:
FYI, I think that far too often, people are quick to pull the race card. And I’m saying this being brown skinned myself (half Danish, half Pakistani).
However, regarding Jim Davidson, I don’t know if he’s racist or not, but here’s my observation, as I’ve been the same room as him once. It was up at Watford in 2007 (2-2 draw). I had a pre-match pint in a boozer (don’t remember which one). I stood there by myself, having a pint and minded my own business.
From a distance I could see Jim Davidson staring at me in disgust. I hadn’t done anything, hadn’t said anything, hadn’t tried to communicate with him.
But he sent me a look, which felt a bit like ‘f*ckin Paki!’.
I might have been overly sensitive, but it was weird.
I had a look around the pub and to me it looked like it was only me he had an issue with being there. I was also the only non-white in there from what I could see.
A bit of a bizarre experience and trust me, I’m the last one to pull the race card, but when you add some of the stuff up that he says, then it does make you wonder.
Argh, wasn’t going to comment on this thread, but here we go:
FYI, I think that far too often, people are quick to pull the race card. And I’m saying this being brown skinned myself (half Danish, half Pakistani).
However, regarding Jim Davidson, I don’t know if he’s racist or not, but here’s my observation, as I’ve been the same room as him once. It was up at Watford in 2007 (2-2 draw). I had a pre-match pint in a boozer (don’t remember which one). I stood there by myself, having a pint and minded my own business.
From a distance I could see Jim Davidson staring at me in disgust. I hadn’t done anything, hadn’t said anything, hadn’t tried to communicate with him.
But he sent me a look, which felt a bit like ‘f*ckin Paki!’.
I might have been overly sensitive, but it was weird.
I had a look around the pub and to me it looked like it was only me he had an issue with being there. I was also the only non-white in there from what I could see.
A bit of a bizarre experience and trust me, I’m the last one to pull the race card, but when you add some of the stuff up that he says, then it does make you wonder.
Argh, wasn’t going to comment on this thread, but here we go:
FYI, I think that far too often, people are quick to pull the race card. And I’m saying this being brown skinned myself (half Danish, half Pakistani).
However, regarding Jim Davidson, I don’t know if he’s racist or not, but here’s my observation, as I’ve been the same room as him once. It was up at Watford in 2007 (2-2 draw). I had a pre-match pint in a boozer (don’t remember which one). I stood there by myself, having a pint and minded my own business.
From a distance I could see Jim Davidson staring at me in disgust. I hadn’t done anything, hadn’t said anything, hadn’t tried to communicate with him.
But he sent me a look, which felt a bit like ‘f*ckin Paki!’.
I might have been overly sensitive, but it was weird.
I had a look around the pub and to me it looked like it was only me he had an issue with being there. I was also the only non-white in there from what I could see.
A bit of a bizarre experience and trust me, I’m the last one to pull the race card, but when you add some of the stuff up that he says, then it does make you wonder.
I’m sorry this happened to you
Ha, I'll survive I'm quite thick-skinned, but I just found the experience a bit weird and after thinking about it for a while, I thought I would share it, given that you're discussing Jim Davidson.
Argh, wasn’t going to comment on this thread, but here we go:
FYI, I think that far too often, people are quick to pull the race card. And I’m saying this being brown skinned myself (half Danish, half Pakistani).
However, regarding Jim Davidson, I don’t know if he’s racist or not, but here’s my observation, as I’ve been the same room as him once. It was up at Watford in 2007 (2-2 draw). I had a pre-match pint in a boozer (don’t remember which one). I stood there by myself, having a pint and minded my own business.
From a distance I could see Jim Davidson staring at me in disgust. I hadn’t done anything, hadn’t said anything, hadn’t tried to communicate with him.
But he sent me a look, which felt a bit like ‘f*ckin Paki!’.
I might have been overly sensitive, but it was weird.
I had a look around the pub and to me it looked like it was only me he had an issue with being there. I was also the only non-white in there from what I could see.
A bit of a bizarre experience and trust me, I’m the last one to pull the race card, but when you add some of the stuff up that he says, then it does make you wonder.
It was the Wetherspoon in the High st, I was in there too
Argh, wasn’t going to comment on this thread, but here we go:
FYI, I think that far too often, people are quick to pull the race card. And I’m saying this being brown skinned myself (half Danish, half Pakistani).
However, regarding Jim Davidson, I don’t know if he’s racist or not, but here’s my observation, as I’ve been the same room as him once. It was up at Watford in 2007 (2-2 draw). I had a pre-match pint in a boozer (don’t remember which one). I stood there by myself, having a pint and minded my own business.
From a distance I could see Jim Davidson staring at me in disgust. I hadn’t done anything, hadn’t said anything, hadn’t tried to communicate with him.
But he sent me a look, which felt a bit like ‘f*ckin Paki!’.
I might have been overly sensitive, but it was weird.
I had a look around the pub and to me it looked like it was only me he had an issue with being there. I was also the only non-white in there from what I could see.
A bit of a bizarre experience and trust me, I’m the last one to pull the race card, but when you add some of the stuff up that he says, then it does make you wonder.
Sorry to derail the thread, so you are named after being Danish and Pakistani, rather than bacon?
Argh, wasn’t going to comment on this thread, but here we go:
FYI, I think that far too often, people are quick to pull the race card. And I’m saying this being brown skinned myself (half Danish, half Pakistani).
However, regarding Jim Davidson, I don’t know if he’s racist or not, but here’s my observation, as I’ve been the same room as him once. It was up at Watford in 2007 (2-2 draw). I had a pre-match pint in a boozer (don’t remember which one). I stood there by myself, having a pint and minded my own business.
From a distance I could see Jim Davidson staring at me in disgust. I hadn’t done anything, hadn’t said anything, hadn’t tried to communicate with him.
But he sent me a look, which felt a bit like ‘f*ckin Paki!’.
I might have been overly sensitive, but it was weird.
I had a look around the pub and to me it looked like it was only me he had an issue with being there. I was also the only non-white in there from what I could see.
A bit of a bizarre experience and trust me, I’m the last one to pull the race card, but when you add some of the stuff up that he says, then it does make you wonder.
Sorry to derail the thread, so you are named after being Danish and Pakistani, rather than bacon?
Yep, I thought it was an obvious one to use (and I do love a bit of Danepak bacon too, although you can’t get in in NZ.
Wonder what the people who don't like JD think of Gervais, Carr, Boyle etc, constantly using cancer, paedophilia and disability in their material? Generally, just by merely saying you don't find it funny, you're immiately told that it is, in fact, very funny, but you just "don't get it".
They're all still in regular work, even though they constantly "offend" people. Mainly because, I think, the people they do offend don't shout and ball about it.
Remember, when asked on his Desert Island Discs, Jimmy Carr saying that the only subject he wouldn't joke about was the Hillsborough disaster. I don't think he was being completely honest, even if its only because he wouldn't get any work again.
I personally don't find JD funny as a comedian. Maybe the odd thing he's come out with has made me chuckle, but I struggle with most stand up comedy as I get older.
The thing is, Boyle and Gervais are clever people and you know that a joke... is a joke and not a personal opinion, which has been pointed out many times on here.
Sorry for not keeping up on what's what mate. Gotta be honest, I generally avoid getting into these types of debates these days and leave to you lot to dictate what the rest of us are allowed to think..
BTW, who's the arbiter on which comedian is clever enough to take the piss out of people with learning difficulties and what's the benchmark of cleverness to be considered by the arbiter?
But that’s the point, he’s not taking the piss out of people with learning difficulties. In Gervais’ own words:
“People mistake the subject of a joke with the actual target.”
My view is the “older” comedians don’t differentiate between the two.
Yeah I've heard these weird explanations a few times and I completely get what they're saying, but answer this - why do they never use the same logic and tell racist jokes?
Argh, wasn’t going to comment on this thread, but here we go:
FYI, I think that far too often, people are quick to pull the race card. And I’m saying this being brown skinned myself (half Danish, half Pakistani).
However, regarding Jim Davidson, I don’t know if he’s racist or not, but here’s my observation, as I’ve been the same room as him once. It was up at Watford in 2007 (2-2 draw). I had a pre-match pint in a boozer (don’t remember which one). I stood there by myself, having a pint and minded my own business.
From a distance I could see Jim Davidson staring at me in disgust. I hadn’t done anything, hadn’t said anything, hadn’t tried to communicate with him.
But he sent me a look, which felt a bit like ‘f*ckin Paki!’.
I might have been overly sensitive, but it was weird.
I had a look around the pub and to me it looked like it was only me he had an issue with being there. I was also the only non-white in there from what I could see.
A bit of a bizarre experience and trust me, I’m the last one to pull the race card, but when you add some of the stuff up that he says, then it does make you wonder.
Sorry to derail the thread, so you are named after being Danish and Pakistani, rather than bacon?
Yep, I thought it was an obvious one to use (and I do love a bit of Danepak bacon too, although you can’t get in in NZ.
'Two thirds of people think levels of migration to the UK are too high, a new poll for i has revealed'.
You're right, most of the people I know aren't credulous and aren't too keen on their patch turning into a mini-Karachi or Somalia. Surprising, I know.
what brought those two locations to mind? not even hiding in plain sight is it?
a large proportion of the recent small boat arrivals of course have been from Albania - those individuals not so easily identifiable to the pirthfork wielders and lynch mobs as most Karachi or Somalia emigrés
The current regime ludicrously dismisses Albania as a "safe" country and one from which asylum can't be needed. It is at least as safe as Rwanda I suppose.
All the while the regime is removing the "skills" requirements for immigrants if they're coming for health service and agricultural jobs, sectors in which vacancies are at all time high levels as a direct result of brexit. Hospitality sector not granted the same easement for reasons nobody understands. Racism and fomented fear of fictitious immigration brought about the popular/ist brexit vote and now immigration from outside Europe is being actively encouraged by the regime to fill the jobs vacated by the departed eastern and southern Europeans. Karma for racists - spectacular!
'Two thirds of people think levels of migration to the UK are too high, a new poll for i has revealed'.
You're right, most of the people I know aren't credulous and aren't too keen on their patch turning into a mini-Karachi or Somalia. Surprising, I know.
what brought those two locations to mind? not even hiding in plain sight is it?
a large proportion of the recent small boat arrivals of course have been from Albania - those individuals not so easily identifiable to the pirthfork wielders and lynch mobs as most Karachi or Somalia emigrés
The current regime ludicrously dismisses Albania as a "safe" country and one from which asylum can't be needed. It is at least as safe as Rwanda I suppose.
All the while the regime is removing the "skills" requirements for immigrants if they're coming for health service and agricultural jobs, sectors in which vacancies are at all time high levels as a direct result of brexit. Hospitality sector not granted the same easement for reasons nobody understands. Racism and fomented fear of fictitious immigration brought about the popular/ist brexit vote and now immigration from outside Europe is being actively encouraged by the regime to fill the jobs vacated by the departed eastern and southern Europeans. Karma for racists - spectacular!
'fictitious immigration'
Our little island has had a population increase of nigh on 10 million in little over 20 years (not counting the likely millions who have not been counted by the census), or maybe I just imagined it.
There's little point engaging with you if live on another planet, but then it sounds like you are an open doors ideologue (e.g Albania not a safe country, wtf?), so you quite probably do. What colour is the sky wherever you are?
Also, sorry for not wanting my society to resemble the wonderfully stable, law-abiding, peaceful democracies that are Somalia and Pakistan and their lovely rich cultures. I'm sure you're already planning your emigration to these wonderful, tolerant places as we speak, so I won't distract you from packing your suitcase.
The population of the world has increased from 6.144 billion in 2000 to 8.035 billion today, a 30% increase. Over the same time period the UK population has increased by 15% (58.9 million to 67.7 million), so half the world average.
So rather than the popular narrative of us being unindated, it's actually the opposite, we are bucking the global trend, and growing slower than our neighbours. To suggest we can achieve even lower population growth goes against the planet wide reality of massive population growth.
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But you can tell jokes about race without being racist.
Re your final comment I think there is more to it than that.
Tens of thousands are f***** off with the situation. Jimbo says it how it is.
I'd say he was concerned.
I appreciate we are all entitled to our own opinion.
Some of his views and comedy now seem very dated but we seem to have this discussion about him on multiple threads every 6 months. I don’t know why people seem to get so wound up by him, he’s not the forefront of celebrity news, just ignore him.
He's a Charlton fan and thus a person of interest. It's a football forum and we can choose to comment or not. There we have it
FYI, I think that far too often, people are quick to pull the race card.
And I’m saying this being brown skinned myself (half Danish, half Pakistani).
However, regarding Jim Davidson, I don’t know if he’s racist or not, but here’s my observation, as I’ve been the same room as him once.
It was up at Watford in 2007 (2-2 draw). I had a pre-match pint in a boozer (don’t remember which one).
I stood there by myself, having a pint and minded my own business.
From a distance I could see Jim Davidson staring at me in disgust.
I hadn’t done anything, hadn’t said anything, hadn’t tried to communicate with him.
I had a look around the pub and to me it looked like it was only me he had an issue with being there. I was also the only non-white in there from what I could see.
A bit of a bizarre experience and trust me, I’m the last one to pull the race card, but when you add some of the stuff up that he says, then it does make you wonder.
Ha, I'll survive
a large proportion of the recent small boat arrivals of course have been from Albania - those individuals not so easily identifiable to the pirthfork wielders and lynch mobs as most Karachi or Somalia emigrés
The current regime ludicrously dismisses Albania as a "safe" country and one from which asylum can't be needed. It is at least as safe as Rwanda I suppose.
All the while the regime is removing the "skills" requirements for immigrants if they're coming for health service and agricultural jobs, sectors in which vacancies are at all time high levels as a direct result of brexit. Hospitality sector not granted the same easement for reasons nobody understands.
Racism and fomented fear of fictitious immigration brought about the popular/ist brexit vote and now immigration from outside Europe is being actively encouraged by the regime to fill the jobs vacated by the departed eastern and southern Europeans.
Karma for racists - spectacular!
'fictitious immigration'
Our little island has had a population increase of nigh on 10 million in little over 20 years (not counting the likely millions who have not been counted by the census), or maybe I just imagined it.
There's little point engaging with you if live on another planet, but then it sounds like you are an open doors ideologue (e.g Albania not a safe country, wtf?), so you quite probably do. What colour is the sky wherever you are?
Also, sorry for not wanting my society to resemble the wonderfully stable, law-abiding, peaceful democracies that are Somalia and Pakistan and their lovely rich cultures. I'm sure you're already planning your emigration to these wonderful, tolerant places as we speak, so I won't distract you from packing your suitcase.
Good luck.
So rather than the popular narrative of us being unindated, it's actually the opposite, we are bucking the global trend, and growing slower than our neighbours. To suggest we can achieve even lower population growth goes against the planet wide reality of massive population growth.