I agree with the point that it is unlikely that stadiums will be brunt down, but there is the risk to individuals especially if some idiot decides to throw the flare on the pitch, all you need is a poor throw and a fellow supporter is seriously injured. Don't agree with a jail sentence or the six year ban unless there is more behind it.
I just thought that the comparison between an enclosed nightclub with locked doors and a football stadium was poor - nothing to do with the legality of pyrotechnics
I won't disagree that flares 'can' be dangerous but just a couple of points.
There are very few stadia where there is anything flammable in the stands. Most are steel, concrete and plastic seats. Stands like the one at Valley Parade are few and far between - tomorrow being one of the few exceptions.
Secondly, what law were the Chelsea fans breaking? As far as I'm aware. there is no law that prevents you from carrying around pyrotechnics which are available on open sale. Certainly nothing within the UK Firearms Law and nothing within the Ground Regulations at (for example) CAFC. If I were them I would have sacked my brief.
Have most of you failed to notice that the serious night club fire in Brazil was caused by a flare.
I have often found that football stadiums these days aren't indoors, aren't made of wood and don't have flammable fixtures and fittings.
Nightclubs also don't have massive patches of empty grass in the middle just in case something goes wrong.
So its ok to set flares off then ?
They are fire hazards and therefore illegal unless used for emergency situations.
I think you're missing the point of the thread mate. What's more the comparison is chalk and cheese. I agree flares are dangerous in a stadium environment but the banning order and sentence is ridiculous, in my opinion
Have most of you failed to notice that the serious night club fire in Brazil was caused by a flare.
I have often found that football stadiums these days aren't indoors, aren't made of wood and don't have flammable fixtures and fittings.
Nightclubs also don't have massive patches of empty grass in the middle just in case something goes wrong.
So its ok to set flares off then ?
They are fire hazards and therefore illegal unless used for emergency situations.
They are fire hazards in the wrong environment - an open air stadia constructed of steel and concrete would come down low on the list of hazardous risk areas.
Have most of you failed to notice that the serious night club fire in Brazil was caused by a flare.
I have often found that football stadiums these days aren't indoors, aren't made of wood and don't have flammable fixtures and fittings.
Nightclubs also don't have massive patches of empty grass in the middle just in case something goes wrong.
So its ok to set flares off then ?
They are fire hazards and therefore illegal unless used for emergency situations.
They are fire hazards in the wrong environment - an open air stadia constructed of steel and concrete would come down low on the list of hazardous risk areas.
Amazing, so Wembley is the exception when all the fireworks go off when lifting the cup. Double standards I say. 20/20 cricket also exempt from the law it seems.
Have most of you failed to notice that the serious night club fire in Brazil was caused by a flare.
I have often found that football stadiums these days aren't indoors, aren't made of wood and don't have flammable fixtures and fittings.
Nightclubs also don't have massive patches of empty grass in the middle just in case something goes wrong.
So its ok to set flares off then ?
They are fire hazards and therefore illegal unless used for emergency situations.
They are fire hazards in the wrong environment - an open air stadia constructed of steel and concrete would come down low on the list of hazardous risk areas.
They are not illegal.
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They are fire hazards - nothing to do with buildings (wooden or not). I saw a bloke set on fire in the Army by a flare in the open air. I wouldn't chuck them about in a crowd
Have most of you failed to notice that the serious night club fire in Brazil was caused by a flare.
I have often found that football stadiums these days aren't indoors, aren't made of wood and don't have flammable fixtures and fittings.
Nightclubs also don't have massive patches of empty grass in the middle just in case something goes wrong.
So its ok to set flares off then ?
They are fire hazards and therefore illegal unless used for emergency situations.
They are fire hazards in the wrong environment - an open air stadia constructed of steel and concrete would come down low on the list of hazardous risk areas.
They are not illegal.
Sorry to disappoint the court of Charlton Life but S.80 Explosives Act would say otherwise. You cannot go around letting off explosives in a public place and not expect there to be consequences I'm afraid, legal or otherwise. We can argue whether the penalty is appropriate or not, that's another matter, but it's not a surprise really that a (very short) custodial sentence has been given as the court will want to send a message that it takes public safety seriously and offer a deterrent.
Have most of you failed to notice that the serious night club fire in Brazil was caused by a flare.
I have often found that football stadiums these days aren't indoors, aren't made of wood and don't have flammable fixtures and fittings.
Nightclubs also don't have massive patches of empty grass in the middle just in case something goes wrong.
So its ok to set flares off then ?
They are fire hazards and therefore illegal unless used for emergency situations.
I think you're missing the point of the thread mate. What's more the comparison is chalk and cheese. I agree flares are dangerous in a stadium environment but the banning order and sentence is ridiculous, in my opinion
what if you are stood next to a Nigel Ultra, have you considered his face paint & curly red 'n blue comedy wig might be highly flammable??!!
Have most of you failed to notice that the serious night club fire in Brazil was caused by a flare.
I have often found that football stadiums these days aren't indoors, aren't made of wood and don't have flammable fixtures and fittings.
Nightclubs also don't have massive patches of empty grass in the middle just in case something goes wrong.
So its ok to set flares off then ?
They are fire hazards and therefore illegal unless used for emergency situations.
They are fire hazards in the wrong environment - an open air stadia constructed of steel and concrete would come down low on the list of hazardous risk areas.
They are not illegal.
Sorry to disappoint the court of Charlton Life but S.80 Explosives Act would say otherwise. You cannot go around letting off explosives in a public place and not expect there to be consequences I'm afraid, legal or otherwise. We can argue whether the penalty is appropriate or not, that's another matter, but it's not a surprise really that a (very short) custodial sentence has been given as the court will want to send a message that it takes public safety seriously and offer a deterrent.
Not true.
Section 80 (of the 1875 Explosive Act) forbids you to throw fireworks in a public place.
1) A flare is not deemed to be a firework. 2) Setting off a flare is not throwing it. 3) If you're over 18 it's not an offence to be in possession of a flare (Regulation 4 of the Fireworks Act 2003) 4) Flares aren't a category 4 Firework (Regulation 5 of the Fireworks Act 2003)
Flares do not explode and are therefore not deemed to be part of the 1875 Explosive Act.
the same smokebombs I've seen used at a 15 year olds paintball party can land you in prison? there is no fire hazard to a cold burning smoke bomb (there is no fire,just inflammable chemicals)
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They are fire hazards and therefore illegal unless used for emergency situations.
1). No ticket
2). No money.
Will try and watch our flares from SE26.
It's also just up the road from you.
There are very few stadia where there is anything flammable in the stands. Most are steel, concrete and plastic seats. Stands like the one at Valley Parade are few and far between - tomorrow being one of the few exceptions.
Secondly, what law were the Chelsea fans breaking? As far as I'm aware. there is no law that prevents you from carrying around pyrotechnics which are available on open sale. Certainly nothing within the UK Firearms Law and nothing within the Ground Regulations at (for example) CAFC. If I were them I would have sacked my brief.
Happy to be proved wrong.
They are not illegal.
Described as "smoke grenades" in court which last for 90 seconds.
One of the convicted has previous as a ticket tout.
http://www.fsf.org.uk/media/uploaded/Stand Up Sit Down Fact Sheet.pdf
Section 80 (of the 1875 Explosive Act) forbids you to throw fireworks in a public place.
1) A flare is not deemed to be a firework.
2) Setting off a flare is not throwing it.
3) If you're over 18 it's not an offence to be in possession of a flare (Regulation 4 of the Fireworks Act 2003)
4) Flares aren't a category 4 Firework (Regulation 5 of the Fireworks Act 2003)
Flares do not explode and are therefore not deemed to be part of the 1875 Explosive Act.