Erhun Oztumer (pg.24 on loan to Bristol Rovers)

DoctorCharlton

Don't recall him making any appearances for us since lockdown.

is he injured or just extremely out of favour?

Talal

Think Bowyer said he just doesn't make the squad right now. Would have him over McGeady personally. 

Lincsaddick

I can't see him being here next season whichever league we are in

stoneroses19

KDoctorCharlton said:

Don't recall him making any appearances for us since lockdown.

is he injured or just extremely out of favour?

No, he hasn’t played. Think he was on the bench for Hull or QPR game. 

sam3110

A good, technical player that just hasn't quite been on the same wavelength as other players earlier on in the season

Leuth

Bowyer visibly gave up on him after Huddersfield away - subbed him off at half-time, blamed him for some stuff he could easily have blamed others for, and hasn't had him near the field since. Was harsh imo

kinveachyaddick

For me his size does count against him in this division. In the games I've seen, he's been eased off the ball too easily as the average Championship player is bigger and quicker than their League One counterpart, where he would still be useful. A shame, as was excited when we signed him.

wmcf123

Leuth said:

Bowyer visibly gave up on him after Huddersfield away - subbed him off at half-time, blamed him for some stuff he could easily have blamed others for, and hasn't had him near the field since. Was harsh imo

Dodgy fitness in terms of not lasting games but he’s not alone there.  He’s a technically good footballer in a team that lacks in that quality. 

Leuth

Bowyer and mercurial technical players is an uneasy match at the best of times and it's one of our great leader's truest failings that he can't seem to find space for outrageous talent

Leuth

(unless that outrageous talent is also a Championship-quality centre back)

blackpool72

Leuth said:

(unless that outrageous talent is also a Championship-quality centre back)

You admire Pearce at last

Leuth

blackpool72 said:

Leuth said:

(unless that outrageous talent is also a Championship-quality centre back)

You admire Pearce at last

I've defended him from CL's wrath several times this season!

killerandflash

Leuth said:

Bowyer visibly gave up on him after Huddersfield away - subbed him off at half-time, blamed him for some stuff he could easily have blamed others for, and hasn't had him near the field since. Was harsh imo

Was only 1-0 at half time, it finished 4-0 and frankly was a mess by the end.

Redvalleyeast

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Dazzler21

I'd have Oztumer ahead of McGeady, unless McGeady is training better, so far neither are fit to clean Williams' boots. 

Croydon

Ozzie was unplayable against Forest at home. Never really been given a chance this season in my opinion.

LargeAddick

Lincsaddick said:

I can't see him being here next season whichever league we are in

is he out of contract? If so then I agree. Not good enough in my opinion.

golfaddick

Croydon said:

Ozzie was unplayable against Forest at home. Never really been given a chance this season in my opinion.

One game wonder.

Talal

Hopefully we're in a position to sign players whatever league we're in, otherwise we may regret if we let him and others go. 

Scoham

https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/5d5662cc2ca3a/done-deal-charlton-complete-signing-of-erhun-oztumer

He signed a 2 year deal, if we go down I’d expect him to be involved a lot more in League 1.

Scoham

Leuth said:

Bowyer and mercurial technical players is an uneasy match at the best of times and it's one of our great leader's truest failings that he can't seem to find space for outrageous talent

Outrageous talent? Sarr is comfortable at this level, Oztumer has found it harder. Good League 1 attacking midfielder for me.

moutuakilla

I thought he still had another year left?

Talal

Scoham said:

https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/5d5662cc2ca3a/done-deal-charlton-complete-signing-of-erhun-oztumer

He signed a 2 year deal, if we go down I’d expect him to be involved a lot more in League 1.

Cheers, had forgotten. 

Dave Rudd

golfaddick said:

Croydon said:

Ozzie was unplayable against Forest at home. Never really been given a chance this season in my opinion.

One game wonder.

I think it was nearer to 45 minutes.

In the modern game, you have to be an athlete as well as a footballer (some even make it to the top just by being an athlete).

Oztumer is seriously disadvantaged physically.  He needs a minder to perform at his best.  We don't have such a player ... and putting Oztumer into a midfield with Cullen is asking for trouble.

Oggy Red

Leuth said:

Bowyer visibly gave up on him after Huddersfield away - subbed him off at half-time, blamed him for some stuff he could easily have blamed others for, and hasn't had him near the field since. Was harsh imo

There will be a gameplan and a player will have specific roles within that. It seems to me, that Bowyer will hook a player that's not playing his role to instructions, on and off the ball.

Agree with those who have said Ozzie's a good technical player and could at least be on a 9-man bench. I mean, look at the Brentford game - we subbed off Field and Williams with 30 plus minutes to go and after couldn't create and keep possession. And it cost us the game.

Surely, despite the emergence of Morgan, Oztumer was brought in to rotate with Williams, in order to keep the same gameplan?

Especially for games now when the ageing McGeady needs resting.

kentaddick

Scoham said:

Leuth said:

Bowyer and mercurial technical players is an uneasy match at the best of times and it's one of our great leader's truest failings that he can't seem to find space for outrageous talent

Outrageous talent? Sarr is comfortable at this level, Oztumer has found it harder. Good League 1 attacking midfielder for me.

Oztumer is an outrageous talent. I know it was non league, but I’ve never seen some one so outrageously on his own plane of talent when he was at dulwich hamlet. There’s a lot of good footballers at that level who simply won’t or didn’t make it for various reasons, sometimes not because of lack of ability. Oztumer was messi like at that level, he was so good. He lacks some obvious physical attributes that mean he’ll never quite take it to the highest level. But he is seriously talented with a football.

Talal

Oggy Red said:

Leuth said:

Bowyer visibly gave up on him after Huddersfield away - subbed him off at half-time, blamed him for some stuff he could easily have blamed others for, and hasn't had him near the field since. Was harsh imo

There will be a gameplan and a player will have specific roles within that. It seems to me, that Bowyer will hook a player that's not playing his role to instructions, on and off the ball.

Agree with those who have said Ozzie's a good technical player and could at least be on a 9-man bench. I mean, look at the Brentford game - we subbed off Field and Williams with 30 plus minutes to go and after couldn't create and keep possession. And it cost us the game.

Surely, despite the emergence of Morgan, Oztumer was brought in to rotate with Williams, in order to keep the same gameplan?

Especially for games now when the ageing McGeady needs resting to be driven back to Sunderland. 

Lincsaddick

LargeAddick said:

Lincsaddick said:

I can't see him being here next season whichever league we are in

is he out of contract? If so then I agree. Not good enough in my opinion.

seems he is signed up until summer 2021 .. so we are stuck with him. I can't see there being a big queue of clubs eager to pay for his services

killerandflash

kentaddick said:

Scoham said:

Leuth said:

Bowyer and mercurial technical players is an uneasy match at the best of times and it's one of our great leader's truest failings that he can't seem to find space for outrageous talent

Outrageous talent? Sarr is comfortable at this level, Oztumer has found it harder. Good League 1 attacking midfielder for me.

Oztumer is an outrageous talent. I know it was non league, but I’ve never seen some one so outrageously on his own plane of talent when he was at dulwich hamlet. There’s a lot of good footballers at that level who simply won’t or didn’t make it for various reasons, sometimes not because of lack of ability. Oztumer was messi like at that level, he was so good. He lacks some obvious physical attributes that mean he’ll never quite take it to the highest level. But he is seriously talented with a football.

He had 2 brilliant seasons with Walsall in L1, 15 league goals a season, yet has struggled since then in the Championship

cafcsinger

Underrated for me. McGeady or Oztumer? I know who i would have.