And a performance based job. If saying that makes Bellamy miss the net then..
I hope you never have to learn the hard way how shocking that comment is.
Agree. The more i read it the more it looks at best a naive comment and at worse a dispicable one. Cant remember the last time i read something on here i knew would affect and upset so many on here.
I realy can't understand the need for some on CL to play devils advocat in such cases (this and the Woolwich murder to name two). With this case, I can understand debating whether or not Kiely did say what is reported, but IF he did say such a thing there should be 100% total condemnation from people on here regardless of for who you vote for and what pissin paper you read!
I think the if quotient is pretty much negligible here.
As Killerandflash said earlier,the book would have been scrutanized for anything remotely slanderous and this episode would have to have been bullet-proof to be published.
Of course there is no way of knowing for certain until Keily makes any sort of comment. In this instance, I feel his silence will speak volumes . . .
At the end of the day, Jose Mourinho was caught on camera trying to gauge someone's eye out. I don't think this will really affect Deanos career. People will forget about it and move on.
At the end of the day, Jose Mourinho was caught on camera trying to gauge someone's eye out. I don't think this will really affect Deanos career. People will forget about it and move on.
It doesn't mean that we shouldn't be appalled by it though NA.
I would really like to hear what Deano has to say on this.
It's an awful thing to say to some one but ffs, the way everyone's talked about it is like they haven't made a stupid comment like that in their lives.
Has anyone asked Dean on Twitter about it? He's usually good at replying.
It's a god awful thing to say and I'd go ape if someone said something similar about a family member but do we really think he really wanted Bellamy's mum to die? That by no means makes it right of course but I think if we all recounted all of the conversations we had with everybody over the past 10 years I bet we could appall people the world over with things said if it was made public.
You don't know it as fact. Not excusing deano, but it sounds false. There is no way an angry man like bellamy would have let someone get away with what he supposedly said at that time. It's likely that even a non aggressive footballer would have confronted the situation there and then and not let in be known in a book neally a decade later.
If it is true word for word what bellamy said then deano is a c""t, but I don't think it is, or more likely a misleading version of the truth.
Dean Kiely was a fantastic goalkeeper who played a major part in making us a successful Premiership team for a number of years. That’s why he’s a Charlton legend. I don’t think a one-sided comment from Craig Bellamy has anything to do with that.
Even if he did make that utterly despicable comment ten years ago, I don’t think that should colour the man’s character forever more. He’s clearly not a monster:
Has anyone asked Dean on Twitter about it? He's usually good at replying.
It's a god awful thing to say and I'd go ape if someone said something similar about a family member but do we really think he really wanted Bellamy's mum to die? That by no means makes it right of course but I think if we all recounted all of the conversations we had with everybody over the past 10 years I bet we could appall people the world over with things said if it was made public.
I agree with your making the crucial distinction between words and intent. We all agree the words are vile, but if you were to ask the man ten minutes later "Did you really mean what you said?", he will say: "No, of course not! I regret my stupidity in the heat of the battle."
Has anyone asked Dean on Twitter about it? He's usually good at replying.
It's a god awful thing to say and I'd go ape if someone said something similar about a family member but do we really think he really wanted Bellamy's mum to die? That by no means makes it right of course but I think if we all recounted all of the conversations we had with everybody over the past 10 years I bet we could appall people the world over with things said if it was made public.
I agree with your making the crucial distinction between words and intent. We all agree the words are vile, but if you were to ask the man ten minutes later "Did you really mean what you said?", he will say: "No, of course not! I regret my stupidity in the heat of the battle."
Yeah, lets blurt out insults like that at anyone and everyone, then just say after 'sorry' and that 'I didn't mean it'.
Keily and Bellamy aside, if someone said the same to me, I wouldn't wait to weigh up if they meant it or not!
Filthy words but I'm 100% sure he didn't mean em Just a more vile version of playground shit like "your mums a whore" etc
Of course Kiely is a cock for using those words at that time but doesn't make him a c*** for life and the subseqent apology shows he knows his words were that of a helmet and he's a big enough man to hold his hands up
Personally I couldn't give a flying fook what any geek on a football pitch said about my mum or anyone else in my family but then I think I have the ability to rise above shit and yes I'm pretty sure we have all been closely affected by a friend/relative suffering from the big C
I look back on my life and whilst I think I am on the whole a decent bloke, I have let myself down on occasions. It is easier to let yourself down in the heat of a battle and if you regret your mistakes, it is all you can do. Kiely clearly regretted and upset himself with his behaviour and openly admitted such. That is good enough for me - maybe you have to be perfect to be harsh on him and I certainly don't fall into that category.
Filthy words but I'm 100% sure he didn't mean em Just a more vile version of playground shit like "your mums a whore" etc
Of course Kiely is a cock for using those words at that time but doesn't make him a c*** for life and the subseqent apology shows he knows his words were that of a helmet and he's a big enough man to hold his hands up
Personally I couldn't give a flying fook what any geek on a football pitch said about my mum or anyone else in my family but then I think I have the ability to rise above shit and yes I'm pretty sure we have all been closely affected by a friend/relative suffering from the big C
But that's why it's different from silly playground insults isn't it ? Your mother is probably not a prostitute, but anyone's Gran could die from cancer.
Also, I don't buy "the heat of the moment" stuff. You'd certainly swear at some one in the heat of things and say things you never wouldn't normally. Saying you hope someone's Gran dies of cancer is totally different to that, it's a step beyond and I can't imagine even thinking of saying that to someone.
I look back on my life and whilst I think I am on the whole a decent bloke, I have let myself down on occasions. It is easier to let yourself down in the heat of a battle and if you regret your mistakes, it is all you can do. Kiely clearly regretted and upset himself with his behaviour and openly admitted such. That is good enough for me - maybe you have to be perfect to be harsh on him and I certainly don't fall into that category.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Keily say it because Bellamy didn't pass the ball back to him after being caught off-side? Hardly in the heat of battle Mutts pal....
When you are playing a competitive match it is the heat of battle - not excusing him -he was clearly out of order- but he was also sorry and couldn't sleep because of it.
I look back on my life and whilst I think I am on the whole a decent bloke, I have let myself down on occasions. It is easier to let yourself down in the heat of a battle and if you regret your mistakes, it is all you can do. Kiely clearly regretted and upset himself with his behaviour and openly admitted such. That is good enough for me - maybe you have to be perfect to be harsh on him and I certainly don't fall into that category.
I'd be the first to admit that I'm far from perfect and I can chuck personal insults with the best of em, but if I was that vexed up and in the 'heat of battle', telling someone that I hoped their mum died from cancer would be the furthest thing from my mind, I mean where would you get that from? If me finding that hard to get me nut round means that I'm saying I'm perfect than so be it, but I do find it hard to get me nut round!
Anyway, we'll have to agree to disagree cause all we're doing is going round in circles....
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. There are a lot of stones being cast on here, before the full story has even emerged. Having spent several years refereeing on sunday leagues, i can say i have heard many things said by players directed to me and to others, who afterwards, apologise and buy you a pint. When i play, i too have said things to other referees and players that i regret. and i should no better.
In the heat of moment we say things that are completely out of character and that we do not mean.
No one on here is attempting to justify what Deano allegedly said, but i would like to think that people would not judge a man's character by something that was said in a ten seconds spat over ten years ago.
When you are playing a competitive match it is the heat of battle - not excusing him -he was clearly out of order- but he was also sorry and couldn't sleep because of it.
So sorry he didn't try to contact Bellamy...
Horrible, horrible thing to say, shocked some people are trying to justify it.
I cannot believe some are trying to justify it. Really nonsensical.
This
If it had been a spanner or a nigel player, those defending Kiely with crys of banter, heat of battle, hes a decent bloke really, I'm sure he didn't mean it, would be all over it. Charlton legend or not, bang out of order, and he deserved to be put on his ass at the time by Bellamy, and I cant stand that little runt.
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As above, this strikes a nerve with me too...
As Killerandflash said earlier,the book would have been scrutanized for anything remotely slanderous and this episode would have to have been bullet-proof to be published.
Of course there is no way of knowing for certain until Keily makes any sort of comment. In this instance, I feel his silence will speak volumes . . .
I would really like to hear what Deano has to say on this.
It's a god awful thing to say and I'd go ape if someone said something similar about a family member but do we really think he really wanted Bellamy's mum to die? That by no means makes it right of course but I think if we all recounted all of the conversations we had with everybody over the past 10 years I bet we could appall people the world over with things said if it was made public.
If it is true word for word what bellamy said then deano is a c""t, but I don't think it is, or more likely a misleading version of the truth.
Even if he did make that utterly despicable comment ten years ago, I don’t think that should colour the man’s character forever more. He’s clearly not a monster:
http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/20130606-dean-kiely-womens-team-856892.aspx
Keily and Bellamy aside, if someone said the same to me, I wouldn't wait to weigh up if they meant it or not!
Just a more vile version of playground shit like "your mums a whore" etc
Of course Kiely is a cock for using those words at that time but doesn't make him a c*** for life and the subseqent apology shows he knows his words were that of a helmet and he's a big enough man to hold his hands up
Personally I couldn't give a flying fook what any geek on a football pitch said about my mum or anyone else in my family but then I think I have the ability to rise above shit and yes I'm pretty sure we have all been closely affected by a friend/relative suffering from the big C
Also, I don't buy "the heat of the moment" stuff. You'd certainly swear at some one in the heat of things and say things you never wouldn't normally. Saying you hope someone's Gran dies of cancer is totally different to that, it's a step beyond and I can't imagine even thinking of saying that to someone.
Anyway, we'll have to agree to disagree cause all we're doing is going round in circles....
In the heat of moment we say things that are completely out of character and that we do not mean.
No one on here is attempting to justify what Deano allegedly said, but i would like to think that people would not judge a man's character by something that was said in a ten seconds spat over ten years ago.
Horrible, horrible thing to say, shocked some people are trying to justify it.
If it had been a spanner or a nigel player, those defending Kiely with crys of banter, heat of battle, hes a decent bloke really, I'm sure he didn't mean it, would be all over it.
Charlton legend or not, bang out of order, and he deserved to be put on his ass at the time by Bellamy, and I cant stand that little runt.