Lol this thread. Only on here could someone compare the green party to the Nazis three posts in. Len - you truly are priceless.
I don't know why, but I have this mental picture of you sitting in the corner at Christmas - the uncle that everyone knows is a bit of a mental, but gets invited every year for entertainment value.
Ok Ed, we'll use our valuable free-time when we are not working the longer hours to A) Pay for the increased bills and/or to Make our own employers more of a profit (when we are not getting a pay rise) to save a measly £50 a year.
We are getting shafted from all directions and the Labour? caused recession is still being used by the Tory boy's mates in their companies as an excuse for making more profit.
Figures for 2011 / 12 show 24000 people, mostly over the age of 75 died from the cold in the UK. That is a scandal and national disgrace. Can't see the figure being any lower this time round can you ?
Figures for 2011 / 12 show 24000 people, mostly over the age of 75 died from the cold in the UK. That is a scandal and national disgrace. Can't see the figure being any lower this time round can you ?
It is but it is easier to blame Darwin and the Greens that actually do something.
As said in the link above part of the "scum levies" are for the green deal which pay to insulate people's home. But that can't be true as Green's want people to die to reduce the population, or at least that is what Len believes.
Figures for 2011 / 12 show 24000 people, mostly over the age of 75 died from the cold in the UK. That is a scandal and national disgrace. Can't see the figure being any lower this time round can you ?
When I was a boy my mum used to say to me." if you're cold, move a bit faster". Shes 77 this year I wonder if she will need to practice what she preached.
Figures for 2011 / 12 show 24000 people, mostly over the age of 75 died from the cold in the UK. That is a scandal and national disgrace. Can't see the figure being any lower this time round can you ?
And absolute bollocks.
Not seen the 2011/12 figures but in 2010/11, 260 people died from hypothermia in the UK - still 260 too many.
Figures for 2011 / 12 show 24000 people, mostly over the age of 75 died from the cold in the UK. That is a scandal and national disgrace. Can't see the figure being any lower this time round can you ?
And absolute bollocks.
Not seen the 2011/12 figures but in 2010/11, 260 people died from hypothermia in the UK - still 260 too many.
ONS - "In common with other countries, in England and Wales more people die in the winter than in the summer". 2011/12 there was an 8% DECREASE in 'winter deaths'.
As I said 'died from cold' and 'the cost of cold' are emotive statements.
Deaths from hypothermia are the true figure of how it relates to people being able to manage.
ONS - "In common with other countries, in England and Wales more people die in the winter than in the summer". 2011/12 there was an 8% DECREASE in 'winter deaths'.
As I said 'died from cold' and 'the cost of cold' are emotive statements.
Deaths from hypothermia are the true figure of how it relates to people being able to manage.
I don't quite get the point you are trying to make. What do you actually think is causing this huge seasonal increase in death of the elderly ?
ONS - "In common with other countries, in England and Wales more people die in the winter than in the summer". 2011/12 there was an 8% DECREASE in 'winter deaths'.
As I said 'died from cold' and 'the cost of cold' are emotive statements.
Deaths from hypothermia are the true figure of how it relates to people being able to manage.
I don't quite get the point you are trying to make. What do you actually think is causing this huge seasonal increase in death of the elderly ?
The answer's quite obviously the green lobby forcing poor, poor energy companies to put their prices up. Those gas executives have servants to feed, y'know!
Green energy is the most expensive source to run and unfortunatly we have not found a reliable source to produce a lot of power.
Take Wind turbines for example, they are one of many reasons why the price has gone up, it's unrealiable, does not produce enough energy and they get switched off when we have far too much wind and when it gets below a certain temperature. What's more ridiculous is whenever you have no wind you need to have power to back up those wind turbines up which is more cost effective to run. Even the meters that are attached to these wind farms are more expensive than the meters you have inside your home.
Unfortunatly the governments want us to follow EU rules and meet green targets so I have no doubt energy prices will continue to grow. What puzzles me is that Ed Miliband wants to freeze energy prices but he has not thought about the running costs of smart meters and green energy, not to mention also we are due for blackouts very soon. Ethier he is ignorant or he is trying to win votes.
We need to restore the coal fire powers and dig up the tonnes of coal we got deep underground. We need to build a nuclear programme as well. That is a cheap alternative and it will bring down energy prices and we will be keeping our lights on.
Coal fires, ah the memories. Who remembers the coal man's weekly delivery, he always wore a donkey jacket. The big freeze of '63. Small boys in the park, jumpers for goalposts, Danson Park lake frozen for months. Dear Lord, where has that 50 years gone.
Green energy is the most expensive source to run and unfortunatly we have not found a reliable source to produce a lot of power.
Take Wind turbines for example, they are one of many reasons why the price has gone up, it's unrealiable, does not produce enough energy and they get switched off when we have far too much wind and when it gets below a certain temperature. What's more ridiculous is whenever you have no wind you need to have power to back up those wind turbines up which is more cost effective to run. Even the meters that are attached to these wind farms are more expensive than the meters you have inside your home.
Unfortunatly the governments want us to follow EU rules and meet green targets so I have no doubt energy prices will continue to grow. What puzzles me is that Ed Miliband wants to freeze energy prices but he has not thought about the running costs of smart meters and green energy, not to mention also we are due for blackouts very soon. Ethier he is ignorant or he is trying to win votes.
We need to restore the coal fire powers and dig up the tonnes of coal we got deep underground. We need to build a nuclear programme as well. That is a cheap alternative and it will bring down energy prices and we will be keeping our lights on.
Nice one there. All about the EU - nothing to do with obscene profits being made by the energy companies.
What Leroy said. The energy companies produce the power themselves then sell it to themselves and then sell it to us telling us that they have had to buy it at increased wholesale cost which they themselves set and profit from. You couldn't make it up.
The Germans are proposing to close their nuclear power station and replace them with efficient coal fired ones. Sticking two fingers up at the EU. We appear to be asking the Chinese to build us new nuclear power stations. I am confused
National socialism can be linked to environmentally protective ideals and then in turn to levies.
I wouldnt compare Dawkins to Hitler but I do see an underlying connection between the state dynamics necessary in green policy and a socialist outlook.
environmental levies need a level of social control and market manipulation only observed when the state is intrusive. Now its a bit of a jump to go straight to totalitarianism, but its a sensationalist example of an underlying theme.
These levies often hit the poorest first and hardest. I can see why a certain demographic would link green levies on heating bills to a Darwinist distillation of National Socialism. It is survival of the fittest if that extra 10% on your gas bill means you go cold in winter.
Furthermore environmental planning and climate control tend to be of importance to people, myself included, whose immediate environment at home is quite cosy. Its easier to think big on green in society when the levy doesnt force you to turn the thermostat down a degree or two. Is this not the point he is making?
Having said that, my personal outlook is full support for environmentally sound long term social policy. I dont see that being addressed quickly enough in terms of protecting the environment and natural resources and that may make me Green. I hope so.
but we are talking about elderly people who probably dont give such priority. Heating is a basic requirement and those seasonal health death increases need some explaining.
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I don't know why, but I have this mental picture of you sitting in the corner at Christmas - the uncle that everyone knows is a bit of a mental, but gets invited every year for entertainment value.
"It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change"
Ok Ed, we'll use our valuable free-time when we are not working the longer hours to A) Pay for the increased bills and/or to
We are getting shafted from all directions and the Labour? caused recession is still being used by the Tory boy's mates in their companies as an excuse for making more profit.
Rant over.
Doh!
As said in the link above part of the "scum levies" are for the green deal which pay to insulate people's home. But that can't be true as Green's want people to die to reduce the population, or at least that is what Len believes.
Shes 77 this year I wonder if she will need to practice what she preached.
Not seen the 2011/12 figures but in 2010/11, 260 people died from hypothermia in the UK - still 260 too many.
What exactly does 'died from cold' mean?
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/subnational-health2/excess-winter-mortality-in-england-and-wales/2011-12--provisional--and-2010-11--final-/index.html
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/24000-died-from-cold-last-winter--highest-death-rate-in-london-8367789.html
http://www.ageuk.org.uk/Documents/EN-GB/Campaigns/The_cost_of_cold_2012.pdf?dtrk=true
Not quite "bollocks" is it.
ONS - "In common with other countries, in England and Wales more people die in the winter than in the summer". 2011/12 there was an 8% DECREASE in 'winter deaths'.
As I said 'died from cold' and 'the cost of cold' are emotive statements.
Deaths from hypothermia are the true figure of how it relates to people being able to manage.
It doesn't take long. Name, address etc, power usage & that's about it. Then choose your deal & click on submit.
On average, 10,500 people die each week in the UK and more people die in winter than summer.
Yet under 300 people die each year in the UK from hypothermia - which to me is the true cost of not being able to provide sufficient heating to live.
The 'elderly' still get £200 to help with their winter heating costs in the UK don't forget.
Green energy is the most expensive source to run and unfortunatly we have not found a reliable source to produce a lot of power.
Take Wind turbines for example, they are one of many reasons why the price has gone up, it's unrealiable, does not produce enough energy and they get switched off when we have far too much wind and when it gets below a certain temperature. What's more ridiculous is whenever you have no wind you need to have power to back up those wind turbines up which is more cost effective to run. Even the meters that are attached to these wind farms are more expensive than the meters you have inside your home.
Unfortunatly the governments want us to follow EU rules and meet green targets so I have no doubt energy prices will continue to grow. What puzzles me is that Ed Miliband wants to freeze energy prices but he has not thought about the running costs of smart meters and green energy, not to mention also we are due for blackouts very soon. Ethier he is ignorant or he is trying to win votes.
We need to restore the coal fire powers and dig up the tonnes of coal we got deep underground. We need to build a nuclear programme as well. That is a cheap alternative and it will bring down energy prices and we will be keeping our lights on.
What planet is this guy on?
I wouldnt compare Dawkins to Hitler but I do see an underlying connection between the state dynamics necessary in green policy and a socialist outlook.
environmental levies need a level of social control and market manipulation only observed when the state is intrusive. Now its a bit of a jump to go straight to totalitarianism, but its a sensationalist example of an underlying theme.
These levies often hit the poorest first and hardest. I can see why a certain demographic would link green levies on heating bills to a Darwinist distillation of National Socialism. It is survival of the fittest if that extra 10% on your gas bill means you go cold in winter.
Furthermore environmental planning and climate control tend to be of importance to people, myself included, whose immediate environment at home is quite cosy. Its easier to think big on green in society when the levy doesnt force you to turn the thermostat down a degree or two. Is this not the point he is making?
Having said that, my personal outlook is full support for environmentally sound long term social policy. I dont see that being addressed quickly enough in terms of protecting the environment and natural resources and that may make me Green. I hope so.
but we are talking about elderly people who probably dont give such priority. Heating is a basic requirement and those seasonal health death increases need some explaining.