The biggest area that should be exposed and pressure brought to bear is on how they are allowed to manipulate market prices by selling energy to themselves at inflated prices, along with the financial institutions and hedge funds who profit from buying up commodities.
All this talk of Nazis, Darwin and euthanasia just keeps enough people away from what the actual problem is. But, what the hell, some people will find a conspiracy in an empty tin pot!
"He states quite clearly that National Socialism has foundations in biology and, correct me if I'm wrong which I'm sure you will, Darwin was a biologist or, if you wish to be pedantic, a naturalist."
You point was what? You linked Darwin and the Nazis. For what other reason but to smear him.
Darwin is a totem if not THE totem of the Green movement. Read any discussion of the subject and he is invariably mentioned. Dawkins is arguably the present Green "media darling."
Sorry but I dispute that Darwin is THE totem of Green movement. Darwin was a naturalist and as such no doubt had strong environmental views that may have even been avant garde for the period but who could know whether or not his views know were he alive would reflect Green ideology. As for the assertion that Richard Dawkins is a Green "media darling" well you will have to justify that to me because I can find no substance to that other than him using Darwin and natural selection in his battle to justifiably ridicule creationism and all things religious.
It is therefore inevitable that both will be mentioned in any discussion of Green ideology. It seems a long time ago now but my original assertion was that Green levies or taxes, arising from the obsession with Green ideology, are a significant contributing factor to the rise in energy prices.
Inevitable only in your skewed view.
I also expressed my concern that the old and vulnerable are in grave danger of dying as a result of these price increases whilst pointing out, justifiably, that the Green movement generally is in favour of population controls and thus may see the possible deaths I refer to as a bonus
Len I agree that the old and vulnerable are at risk during the colder months because there are some that will not be able to afford to heat their homes properly and that some of that financial burden is due to the "Green" element to our energy bills (19% ?) but in reality the argument is much broader than suggesting its Green policy that is causing this. It is our attitude as a nation to social care as a whole that needs addressing.
Your comment that the Green movement would view any such deaths as a bonus is insulting and risible in equal measure. To use it when you know full well that their views on population control are the same views many charitable organisations have and indeed the World Health Organisation hold and that is to do with contraception and not killing people or should I say Volk off.u
I expressed those sentiments rather more succinctly in my opening post on this thread as you can read.
It is also a fact as I have illustrated, although you evidently wish to deny or ignore it, that the growth of fascism and National Socialism has been influenced by Green ideology.
In simple terms Hitler and others used the "survival of the fittest" meme of the Greens (which I know Spencer rather than Darwin actually said before you point it out) to justify the atrocities committed against Jews, the elderly and disabled. That, unpalatable as it is, is FACT.
Hitler was a certifiable madman by any measure and he used and spouted many things to justify his actions including black magic and funding of expeditions to find never existing civilisations of aryian peoples. To wrest the term "survival of the fittest" away from its real seat in the observation of nature was equally mad.
It is the vulnerable or "less fit" in danger of dying through increased prices and costs because of Green ideology.
Hence the link.
Provocative certainly but hardcore Greens are not as cuddly and fluffy as those advocating separating your paper from your cardboard etc would have us believe.
Hard core Greens are just as loopy as hard core lefties and righties but as ever telling only half of the story will often help support even the daftest of arguments.
Misrepresentation, misrepresentation, misrepresentation to paraphrase Tony Blair but twas ever thus on Charlton Life.
What's sauce (or should that be "source" given the keenness of some to criticise one's sources) for the goose is sauce for the gander so I will, tongue in cheek perhaps but who knows, express my shock at the number of Charlton Life posters who believe that all Muslims are terrorists.
I apparently believe that Darwin, Dawkins and all Greens are Nazis according to many above because I highlighted the factual historic link between fascism and Green ideology. Applying the same logic my accusers must believe all Muslims are terrorists. Fair enough I think you are wrong personally but in a free country you are entitled to your opinion.
Further up the thread I missed last night that Stig has questioned a quote. The quote is there simply because Henry in particular wants to deny that fascism, specifically National Socialism, developed from Green ideology. The source actually makes my point rather better than the quote.
Think John Majors comment is a way by which the Tories can do something about the energy costs without looking like they are following Ed Millibands proposal of freezing energy costs for two years.
Millibands suggestion of freezing prices for 2 years is all about using those 2 years to sort out the market. A lot of the critics focus on that and not what is behind it.
If everybody agrees it is broken, surely you have to fix it!
Not sure of the figures but it would appear that energy costs are higher in very many of the Euro Zone countries. As usual I suspect a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth by the politicians but sod all happening of any worth for the consumer.
Changed to First Utility today from E.On. Certainly cheaper and locked in price until 2016
I had an email from Eon this morning saying my account was £79.00 in debit following my latest meter readings and they had increased my DD. When I checked on line they had put my duel fuel up from £120.00 per month to £202.00 per month, an increase of £82.00 per month to cover a £79.00 debit that had built up over several months not one!
I explained to them that our son had just left home meaning our usage should drop so although I am a little under I only want my DD to be increased by £10.00 to £130.00 per month.
The guy said he cannot accept that and that the £82.00 increase must stand and that is that, I said that I was not aware paying by DD had become law so if that is the case I wish to cancel my DD and go back to paying once you have sent me the bill!
I could tell by the stunned silence on the end of the phone he was fooked so after a brief pause he said "certainly sir, £130.00 it is and this will commence in November"
Mike they did the same to me last year, wrote to tell me that they were changing it from 60 to 145. I was so annoyed i didnt even ring, i just went online and cancelled it with my bank.
I set the direct debit back up eventually but at a 100 a month not 145.
Thanks for posting about this , i was thinking of do a direct debit , so we didn't get such a big bill , but hearing these horror stories i don't think i will.
Mike they did the same to me last year, wrote to tell me that they were changing it from 60 to 145. I was so annoyed i didnt even ring, i just went online and cancelled it with my bank.
I set the direct debit back up eventually but at a 100 a month not 145.
Thanks for posting about this , i was thinking of do a direct debit , so we didn't get such a big bill , but hearing these horror stories i don't think i will.
No I would advise setting it up as I regretted it slightly as although I was putting an away an amount each month after that horrendous winter we got a very large bill in. But put in the price you want to pay not theirs.
Thanks for posting about this , i was thinking of do a direct debit , so we didn't get such a big bill , but hearing these horror stories i don't think i will.
You often get a reduction for paying by DDR, mine was 6%. I'd always pay by DDR. I always dispute if what they say isn't reasonable & they always back down.
NB Cameron has just said that they will reduce the green taxes & are starting a review with regard to their competitiveness.
On a slight tangent can anyone recommend someone who fits cat flaps in double glazed patio doors. If I could shut my doors it would make my house much warmer. Please message me if you know anyone. Thanks
Dead chuffed, guy came to measure for cat flap yesterday should get fitted by the end of the week. Gas may cost a fortune but at least this year my house may be a little warmer now I am not heating a Baltic conservatory
On a slight tangent can anyone recommend someone who fits cat flaps in double glazed patio doors. If I could shut my doors it would make my house much warmer. Please message me if you know anyone. Thanks
Dead chuffed, guy came to measure for cat flap yesterday should get fitted by the end of the week. Gas may cost a fortune but at least this year my house may be a little warmer now I am not heating a Baltic conservatory
On a slight tangent can anyone recommend someone who fits cat flaps in double glazed patio doors. If I could shut my doors it would make my house much warmer. Please message me if you know anyone. Thanks
Dead chuffed, guy came to measure for cat flap yesterday should get fitted by the end of the week. Gas may cost a fortune but at least this year my house may be a little warmer now I am not heating a Baltic conservatory
So the coalition said in March that green levies will REDUCE people's bills by 11% by the year 2020 and today in PMQ Cameron said that he wants to look at the green levies as they are going to make people's bills INCREASE by 2020.
It's almost like they're just making it up as they go along based on what they think the public want to hear this week....
On a slight tangent can anyone recommend someone who fits cat flaps in double glazed patio doors. If I could shut my doors it would make my house much warmer. Please message me if you know anyone. Thanks
Dead chuffed, guy came to measure for cat flap yesterday should get fitted by the end of the week. Gas may cost a fortune but at least this year my house may be a little warmer now I am not heating a Baltic conservatory
kimbo don't need no cat flat
kimbo just killed the mo fo
Ooh big man for killing a wild animal with a high powered rifle. Fkin kimbo is a pussy! (not Kimbo)
So the coalition said in March that green levies will REDUCE people's bills by 11% by the year 2020 and today in PMQ Cameron said that he wants to look at the green levies as they are going to make people's bills INCREASE by 2020.
It's almost like they're just making it up as they go along based on what they think the public want to hear this week....
I don't think they make it up so much as haven't got a clue so they just prattle out the sound bites they have been given ( repeated 3 times of course) in the hopes that the thick electorate is fooled. I just think that Cameron isn't sufficiently well informed to know whether or not he's spouting rubbish. He just says what he's told to say IMO, that's his job, apply the charm and say vote for me. He isn't expected to understand.
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The fact is that the levy represents 5% and 11% of our gas and electricity bills respectively.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24238708
The biggest area that should be exposed and pressure brought to bear is on how they are allowed to manipulate market prices by selling energy to themselves at inflated prices, along with the financial institutions and hedge funds who profit from buying up commodities.
All this talk of Nazis, Darwin and euthanasia just keeps enough people away from what the actual problem is. But, what the hell, some people will find a conspiracy in an empty tin pot!
What's sauce (or should that be "source" given the keenness of some to criticise one's sources) for the goose is sauce for the gander so I will, tongue in cheek perhaps but who knows, express my shock at the number of Charlton Life posters who believe that all Muslims are terrorists.
I apparently believe that Darwin, Dawkins and all Greens are Nazis according to many above because I highlighted the factual historic link between fascism and Green ideology. Applying the same logic my accusers must believe all Muslims are terrorists. Fair enough I think you are wrong personally but in a free country you are entitled to your opinion.
Further up the thread I missed last night that Stig has questioned a quote. The quote is there simply because Henry in particular wants to deny that fascism, specifically National Socialism, developed from Green ideology. The source actually makes my point rather better than the quote.
Your very first post did it, so you can't accuse anyone of misrepresenting you!
http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=84432
Too many vested Green interests vying to make it unaffordable some of whom are in our own government and media.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1285456/As-Nick-Cleggs-Spanish-wife-gets-job-Madrid-wind-farm-firm-targeting-Britain-man-pens-irate-letter.html
and
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2027708/Samantha-Camerons-father-nets-350-000-year-subsidised-wind-farm.html
not forgetting the BBC Staff Pension fund which may influence just how green issues are reported....
http://biasedbbc.org/blog/2011/12/28/bbc-pension-fund-hires-green-advisers/
If everybody agrees it is broken, surely you have to fix it!
Changed to First Utility today from E.On. Certainly cheaper and locked in price until 2016
I explained to them that our son had just left home meaning our usage should drop so although I am a little under I only want my DD to be increased by £10.00 to £130.00 per month.
The guy said he cannot accept that and that the £82.00 increase must stand and that is that, I said that I was not aware paying by DD had become law so if that is the case I wish to cancel my DD and go back to paying once you have sent me the bill!
I could tell by the stunned silence on the end of the phone he was fooked so after a brief pause he said "certainly sir, £130.00 it is and this will commence in November"
I set the direct debit back up eventually but at a 100 a month not 145.
NB Cameron has just said that they will reduce the green taxes & are starting a review with regard to their competitiveness.
kimbo don't need no cat flat
kimbo just killed the mo fo
It's almost like they're just making it up as they go along based on what they think the public want to hear this week....
Ooh big man for killing a wild animal with a high powered rifle. Fkin kimbo is a pussy!
(not Kimbo)