Diego Poyet's contract situation **DieGONE - Signs for West Ham)**
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I really feel the need to vent my spleen as I read this thread further and further.
Can those who are on it, please get off Diego's back?
Lets put some perspective on the situation:
What we actually know:
1. His contract expires at the end of June.
2. He's at a club where there is considerable uncertainty about what shape the future will hold although it's clear there is a future.
3. We have a new head coach who is not a known quantity in the English game.
4. He's a young lad with no dependents and clearly observable talent
Here's what we don't know:
1. What has been offered to him by way of a new contract.
2. What he thinks of Bob Peeters and the way in which the club is being run.
3. Which other clubs have approached him (for surely they will have) and what they have to offer.
4. What he actually wants.
*** Everything else is pure speculation ***
Why are we starting to say that if he leaves we'll have a poor opinion of him? Why is that questioning his loyalty to the club?
He has a long and fruitful career ahead of him and no ties to keep him anywhere. All the lad wants to do is play good football for goodness sake - it's what he loves to do! If he cannot develop himself well at CAFC then of course he has every right to do it where he will get the best opportunities to do so.
Please get off his back. Let him decide what he wants to do.
The onus is on CAFC to make him an offer that's acceptable. If the powers that be want him, they will find a way to keep him.
Simple as.
Thank you. Rant over.24 -
the lad kept us up, he will always get a clap from me when he steps onto the valley pitch be it for us or anyone else (bar millwall or palace)0
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"The onus is on CAFC to make him an offer that's acceptable. If the powers that be want him, they will find a way to keep him.
Simple as."
Simple as?? Simple as keeping Scott Parker would you say? Or as simple as keeping Jermaine Defoe perhaps?
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so no news then?0
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Guys there was no way it was going to be revealing at all! He was a nice guy, that's all! I can't post anything now, sorry.0
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not good news thenAddickted2TheReds said:Guys there was no way it was going to be revealing at all! He was a nice guy, that's all! I can't post anything now, sorry.
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MuttleyCAFC said:
...classless...
To be fair Muttley, if you're wrong then I'd say the criticism would still apply, but to you.MuttleyCAFC said:I'm slagging off what I think - I am sure- he will do - if he doesn't the criticism doesn't apply.
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To be fair this is the same Muttley that, whilst on a train, devised a better system for penalty training than any previous England manager. So, you know.....lordromford said:MuttleyCAFC said:...classless...
To be fair Muttley, if you're wrong then I'd say the criticism would still apply, but to you.MuttleyCAFC said:I'm slagging off what I think - I am sure- he will do - if he doesn't the criticism doesn't apply.
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Lol.Stu_of_Kunming said:
To be fair this is the same Muttley that, whilst on a train, devised a better system for penalty training than any previous England manager. So, you know.....lordromford said:MuttleyCAFC said:...classless...
To be fair Muttley, if you're wrong then I'd say the criticism would still apply, but to you.MuttleyCAFC said:I'm slagging off what I think - I am sure- he will do - if he doesn't the criticism doesn't apply.
By the way Muttley, nothing personal, just seems like you've assassinated his character a bit too soon.0 -
Parker was under contract so 'simple as' in that instance ! Club didn't have to let him leave.Curb_It said:"The onus is on CAFC to make him an offer that's acceptable. If the powers that be want him, they will find a way to keep him.
Simple as."
Simple as?? Simple as keeping Scott Parker would you say? Or as simple as keeping Jermaine Defoe perhaps?0 - Sponsored links:
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Okay But Poyet situation is not really as "simple as" is it. I enjoyed his rant but annoying to end it like that.. If diego doesnt want to stay how can the powers that be find a way to keep him apart from offer ludicrous money. Which i doubt they will, quite rightly in my opinion.0
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Who honestly had heard of Riga 12 weeks ago?cafctom said:
He, like the rest of us, probably thought we would have Jose Riga as manager. Not some nobody who he has never heard of.CharltonFan94 said:Hmmm.
I thought he would have signed by now.
I assumed the deciding factor for Poyet was if he got relegated or not. I expected, once we confirmed we were staying up, that a contract would be signed fairly quickly.
Poyet knows there is a host of clubs that would take him and probably pay him higher wages.
I still think the best option for Poyet himself is to stay here and develop as a player.1 -
Just try and imagine this in the real world. You know your employer dumps a lot of staff in the summer and they tell you that they'll work out if you're required then. In the interim period you do really well and a lot of people offer you a job on better money. Why do football fans believe that players owe them loyalty that isn't reciprocated ? The club kept its options open and now as a result Diego has his options open. It's not fair, Curbit, of you to say only ludicrous money would keep him. None of us know, but I suspect that market value or a timely contract offer would have been just as effective as a bath full of twenty pound notes.3
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He has cut his long hair off!0
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On balance, I think there is more chance of Simon Church playing for Real Madrid next season that Diego Poyet playing for a team with no centre-backs and welcoming their third manager in six months.8 -
Apologies if I've annoyed you Curb_It, but I'm just saying it as I see it.Curb_It said:Okay But Poyet situation is not really as "simple as" is it. I enjoyed his rant but annoying to end it like that.. If diego doesnt want to stay how can the powers that be find a way to keep him apart from offer ludicrous money. Which i doubt they will, quite rightly in my opinion.
I do disagree with you that ludicrous money will retain his services as I think there is more to any job contract than the money on offer. For all we know the money could be decent for someone fresh out of the Academy and onto the first team! If the other terms and conditions don't measure up to what he needs, then you can bet your bottom dollar he'll be off to somewhere that does.
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Rules out man utd then.grumpyaddick said:
On balance, I think there is more chance of Simon Church playing for Real Madrid next season that Diego Poyet playing for a team with no centre-backs and welcoming their third manager in six months.7 -
For the record, Im not expecting any loyalty from him. I dont blame him if he wants to go on elsewhere rather than stay at our basket case of a club.Mortimerician said:Just try and imagine this in the real world. You know your employer dumps a lot of staff in the summer and they tell you that they'll work out if you're required then. In the interim period you do really well and a lot of people offer you a job on better money. Why do football fans believe that players owe them loyalty that isn't reciprocated ? The club kept its options open and now as a result Diego has his options open. It's not fair, Curbit, of you to say only ludicrous money would keep him. None of us know, but I suspect that market value or a timely contract offer would have been just as effective as a bath full of twenty pound notes.
My suggestion is surely if he were going to sign he would have signed by now so perhaps the only way we could change his mind is by offering ludicrous money?
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Fair dos but you have to add in that the employer had previously sponsored you through A levels and university with no legal obligation to pay back. Slightly affects the relationship in your scenario.Mortimerician said:Just try and imagine this in the real world. You know your employer dumps a lot of staff in the summer and they tell you that they'll work out if you're required then. In the interim period you do really well and a lot of people offer you a job on better money. Why do football fans believe that players owe them loyalty that isn't reciprocated ? The club kept its options open and now as a result Diego has his options open. It's not fair, Curbit, of you to say only ludicrous money would keep him. None of us know, but I suspect that market value or a timely contract offer would have been just as effective as a bath full of twenty pound notes.
Football fans love homegrown players. I can understand why they would be miffed. I hope the move, when it happens, isnt dressed up with
"I would have stayed with Powell"
"I would have stayed with Riga"
"I am not convinved by the Owner"
All 3 reasons would be, IMO, a long way from the real reason.0 -
Arguably the footballer commits to the club in a unique lifestyle process and tailors his academic years around the apprenticeship with no guarantee of a job at the end - released playerscalydon_road said:
Fair dos but you have to add in that the employer had previously sponsored you through A levels and university with no legal obligation to pay back. Slightly affects the relationship in your scenario.Mortimerician said:Just try and imagine this in the real world. You know your employer dumps a lot of staff in the summer and they tell you that they'll work out if you're required then. In the interim period you do really well and a lot of people offer you a job on better money. Why do football fans believe that players owe them loyalty that isn't reciprocated ? The club kept its options open and now as a result Diego has his options open. It's not fair, Curbit, of you to say only ludicrous money would keep him. None of us know, but I suspect that market value or a timely contract offer would have been just as effective as a bath full of twenty pound notes.
Football fans love homegrown players. I can understand why they would be miffed. I hope the move, when it happens, isnt dressed up with
"I would have stayed with Powell"
"I would have stayed with Riga"
"I am not convinved by the Owner"
All 3 reasons would be, IMO, a long way from the real reason.
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He needs to be playing with better players. Maybe he's waiting to see if that will happen at Charlton. If so I don't expect him to find out before his contract expires.1
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But I would then still say that the club has invested in them, even those that dont make the grade.
Also, not many disciplines left in the normal world with a guaranteed job at the end of training.
Its a hard nosed scenario, this human traffic of young lads. Ten a penny they are, 20 good games later and they are the 2nd coming (literally in DPs case....go on jesus lad)1 -
Absolutely spot on IMOiainambler said:I really feel the need to vent my spleen as I read this thread further and further.
Can those who are on it, please get off Diego's back?
Lets put some perspective on the situation:
What we actually know:
1. His contract expires at the end of June.
2. He's at a club where there is considerable uncertainty about what shape the future will hold although it's clear there is a future.
3. We have a new head coach who is not a known quantity in the English game.
4. He's a young lad with no dependents and clearly observable talent
Here's what we don't know:
1. What has been offered to him by way of a new contract.
2. What he thinks of Bob Peeters and the way in which the club is being run.
3. Which other clubs have approached him (for surely they will have) and what they have to offer.
4. What he actually wants.
*** Everything else is pure speculation ***
Why are we starting to say that if he leaves we'll have a poor opinion of him? Why is that questioning his loyalty to the club?
He has a long and fruitful career ahead of him and no ties to keep him anywhere. All the lad wants to do is play good football for goodness sake - it's what he loves to do! If he cannot develop himself well at CAFC then of course he has every right to do it where he will get the best opportunities to do so.
Please get off his back. Let him decide what he wants to do.
The onus is on CAFC to make him an offer that's acceptable. If the powers that be want him, they will find a way to keep him.
Simple as.
Thank you. Rant over.
Roland get your cheque book out, fantastic investment....2 -
We could offer him 30k per week, sell him next summer for 2m and still get more money than we would from the tribunal this summer.2
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What happens if we don't get £2m for him next summer and he banks another £1.5m in wages (total £3m) and leaves for free in 2016?Callumcafc said:We could offer him 30k per week, sell him next summer for 2m and still get more money than we would from the tribunal this summer.
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I wasn't advocating giving him that contract. More a case of, in a roundabout way, highlighting the ridiculously large chasm between rich and poor in English football.
400k for Poyet is what? Two weeks wages for Yaya Toure? It's unfathomable.6 -
we could offer diego 100k a week and he'd still probably have to think twice, considering we dont actually have many players at the moment.0
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It would be nice if a few signings were made do we all and potent could see the direction that the club was going in and the likelihood of a promotion push, mid table run or relegation battle. I am sure these scenarios would influence any decision not currently made0
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All this talk of £400,000 is a bit premature seeing as he could leave for nothing.0
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In my defence, I am made the comment I did as a Valley Gold member - not an apologist for the previous regime. Also, a supporter who saw what Jonjo Shelvey did. My comment was based on what Poyet could do for the fans. Now I accept there isn't much sentiment in this mercenary game but Jonjo - a West Ham fan showed a bit of class IMO. A player who finds himself in a similar position could do the same, so I have concluded that IF he doesn't, his actions would warrant the opposite description of Shelvey's. If he stays, will I have egg on my face but would love the taste of it. Of course I would - but nobody can seriously believe that will happen now. He can't go now as he is under contract, but will sign for somebody as soon as that contract expires. If he was going to sign he would have by now!
It is a good point about players being released. Of course that is the game and teams do try to help prepare players for this eventuality. And on top of that of course, a club does try not to release a player by giving them the experience and knowledge to be good enough not to be released. Of course not all can be. The fact that only eleven players can start a game guarantees those with an edge great reward, but also those with just excellent ability- nothing at all. The record of Charlton's academy in recent years suggests that whilst Diego clearly has his own talent, the club will have played a significant part in nuturing it. I think it is only reasonable to expect a player who has a great career ahead of him which will be full of financial reward to recognise that. Jenkinson and Shelvey have shown that you can do that without compromising a move to a top club. I don't know the occupations of Valley Gold members, but I'm sure some will be in relatively humble professions - that deserves a bit more respect IMO than some multi-million pound players may be willing to give it. But what you do in your career follows you and if you are just starting it - I think it is good to start it in the right way. It seems to have followed Defoe in our eyes - and many of us find it hard to respect him for the actions he took as a young lad - even though he is now almost retired following a great career!
Look it is just a view. Not a cold business one - but an emotional one. When we take emotion out of football for what we are - football fans - we might as well stop bothering!
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