Diego Poyet's contract situation **DieGONE - Signs for West Ham)**
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Sorry, but Poyet just isn't at that level yet. Barry was excellent for Everton last season.hudson-son-son said:Want him to stay but couldn't begrudge him a move to Everton if true, can't think of many better spots for him than under Martinez in the role Barry has been playing for them.
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No of course he isn't yet but I'd imagine Barry will re-join them this Summer and he can learn for a couple of years and probably play in cup games.0
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If that was the case- he would be better staying with us.hudson-son-son said:No of course he isn't yet but I'd imagine Barry will re-join them this Summer and he can learn for a couple of years and probably play in cup games.
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Not necessarily, generally the players who make it to the England squad learn at the top teams and aren't loaned out to the Championship. Lallana is probably the only one who has significant playing time in this division, Barkley had a few minor loans but didn't play much I don't think? Ultimately Shelvey probably improved more training at Liverpool than he did playing more regularly here.0
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I don't buy that - Shelvey improved because he was young and he is still improving as he gets older. If you get the games in the Premiership - all well and good - but if you don't you are better getting the games in the Championship. Steps need to be made at the right time or you can block your career.1
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Yeah no doubt naturally Shelvey was going to improve with age anyway but he had a lot more flaws in his game when he left us which I think were helped by better training staff more so than regular playing time in a worse division. It's as much to do with the team though as anything, Martinez is playing a good style of football and giving youth like Barkley, Stones etc a chance to play so less appearances there wouldn't hurt him so much as there is always potential for progression. A move to Chelsea could be disastrous with their track record on the other hand though.0
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Les Reid said recently that he would much rather young players stay at the pl club with the better training and players than send them on loan to a lower divison. I happen to agree with him. Think poyet will go up another level if he goes to everton under martinez0
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Les Reid - the bloke that fixed English football when he had the chance - that one you mean?2
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Yeah the one who has helped bring through and develop Luke Shaw, james ward-prowse, luke chambers, adam lallana etcMuttleyCAFC said:Les Reid - the bloke that fixed English football when he had the chance - that one you mean?
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Did he say that when there were still reserve teams for them to play in?superchrissypowell said:Les Reid said recently that he would much rather young players stay at the pl club with the better training and players than send them on loan to a lower divison. I happen to agree with him. Think poyet will go up another level if he goes to everton under martinez
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No, he said it on the sky program he was on with chris powell. But he did mention the reserve league was a good thingrina said:
Did he say that when there were still reserve teams for them to play in?superchrissypowell said:Les Reid said recently that he would much rather young players stay at the pl club with the better training and players than send them on loan to a lower divison. I happen to agree with him. Think poyet will go up another level if he goes to everton under martinez
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Les Reed is an outstanding coach at youth level. He did a great job as Curbs number two. He should never have been made Charlton manager. That doesn't make him useless, an idiot etc.MuttleyCAFC said:Les Reid - the bloke that fixed English football when he had the chance - that one you mean?
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Prem clubs want it both ways of course, with the B team concept - Prem club coaching and regular lower-league games. And sod the rest of us...
Mind you, it's thanks to the B team system that Spain are doing so well at international level. Helped plucky Germany get a draw with Ghana, too..0 -
Can't believe he said we are begging Poyet to sign0
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No but it doesn't make him the saviour people make him out to be. A lot of the FAs ideas are flawed.0
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Did he use those words?J BLOCK said:Can't believe he said we are begging Poyet to sign
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"we are begging a little bit that he will re-sign"0
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I'm sure we will beg if it will help0
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As the Temptations sang " Ain't too proud to beg"1
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Again i think that's another case of mixing his words up. If not then that don't sit well with me. No player is bigger than the club0
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Begging yesThe Red Robin said:
Did he use those words?J BLOCK said:Can't believe he said we are begging Poyet to sign
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Could've been a joke? Or a foreign manager misusing words slightly.
Doubt we're literally begging him to sign.0 -
And we suddenly know what heaven we're in
When they begin the begging
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And TLC featuring the late Lisa 'Left Eye' LopezFanny Fanackapan said:As the Temptations sang " Ain't too proud to beg"
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Ive heard a rumour that we've now received a satisfactory bid, that involves a loan back to us for a year so Diego can carry on his development. Seems a reasonable compromise.2
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Why would anyone bid he is out of contract!Halix said:Ive heard a rumour that we've now received a satisfactory bid, that involves a loan back to us for a year so Diego can carry on his development. Seems a reasonable compromise.
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I believe the word "begging" was used as a figure of speech. A way of emphasising how much CAFC would like Diego to sign. Of course, Roland Duchatelet and Bob Peeters will be explaining to Diego; why they want him to sign, sharing visions for the club, how he will fit into the first team picture and so on.
I think the word 'begging' was used flippantly.1 -
I met Gus today who was doing Holland Chile on the Copacobana for ITV. Had a very brief chat with him about it - he was a proper gent and very obliging. When I asked if Diego was gonna be staying at Charlton his words were, to quote as directly as I possibly can from memory:
Gus - 'I think there is a big chance you know, a big chance. But I am not sure as there are a lot of things going on at the club in the background you know....'
Me - 'Yeh that's it, the manager keeps changing. But he's been absolute class we love him to bits and we really want him to stay to give us a bit of continuity.'
Gus - 'well yeh why they get rid of Powell, he was doing a good job?'
Me - 'I know I was gutted about that, and he gave Diego his debut didn't he.'
Gus - 'yeh so we will see but I think there is a big chance, he's been there a long time you know but there is a new manager so we will see.'
Not particularly enlightening but gave me genuine hope - he put a real emphasis on the 'big chance' which actually felt to me as if it was more likely than not; but they are clearly still considering his options. I was resigned to losing him so feel marginally more positive now. Also added to my negative feelings about Roland though. I am a huge Powell advocate so biased in that respect but it certainly seemed that Gus was intimating that both managerial changes had been very unsettling - perhaps Diego may well have signed a new deal some time ago if one or both of these changes hadn't occurred. Perhaps he could have been using that as an easy excuse under question from a pathetically desperate Charlton fan, but I think he was very shocked to bump into one and wasn't anticipating the question about Diego at all (my mates a Chelsea fan so we had just been discussing that, plus Uruguay England), so I felt like what he said, whilst open-ended, was instinctive rather than a generic prepared response.
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cheers for that paulsturgess.
I have always thought he would stay as he seems a nice kid and will recognise that a) we need the money and b) the excellent role we have played in developing him.
I also reckon with the tweets he gets from fans and through him reading this forum, he will know how we would feel if he left us in the lurch, however much it is also the fault of the previous chuckle brothers.
Maybe I am niave, but that is my view on it.0 -
No disrespect, but if a 18 year old player's feelings have to be considered when changing a manager (especially when we are bottom of the league and on a run of 3 points from the last 6 league games) then we might as well give up now.paulsturgess said:I met Gus today who was doing Holland Chile on the Copacobana for ITV. Had a very brief chat with him about it - he was a proper gent and very obliging. When I asked if Diego was gonna be staying at Charlton his words were, to quote as directly as I possibly can from memory:
Gus - 'I think there is a big chance you know, a big chance. But I am not sure as there are a lot of things going on at the club in the background you know....'
Me - 'Yeh that's it, the manager keeps changing. But he's been absolute class we love him to bits and we really want him to stay to give us a bit of continuity.'
Gus - 'well yeh why they get rid of Powell, he was doing a good job?'
Me - 'I know I was gutted about that, and he gave Diego his debut didn't he.'
Gus - 'yeh so we will see but I think there is a big chance, he's been there a long time you know but there is a new manager so we will see.'
Not particularly enlightening but gave me genuine hope - he put a real emphasis on the 'big chance' which actually felt to me as if it was more likely than not; but they are clearly still considering his options. I was resigned to losing him so feel marginally more positive now. Also added to my negative feelings about Roland though. I am a huge Powell advocate so biased in that respect but it certainly seemed that Gus was intimating that both managerial changes had been very unsettling - perhaps Diego may well have signed a new deal some time ago if one or both of these changes hadn't occurred. Perhaps he could have been using that as an easy excuse under question from a pathetically desperate Charlton fan, but I think he was very shocked to bump into one and wasn't anticipating the question about Diego at all (my mates a Chelsea fan so we had just been discussing that, plus Uruguay England), so I felt like what he said, whilst open-ended, was instinctive rather than a generic prepared response.
Did you think to ask Gus how he would feel if his job security was to be determined by a 18 year old that had started a total of 4 league games?
If that isn't an excuse to leave and chase the money/glory after being with us for nine years then I don't know what is.
Don't get me wrong, I would love him to stay and I appreciate that he doesn't have to be grateful that we are offering him a contract, but there is no need to insult our intelligence.10
