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Southeastern train disruption (franchise to be taken over by Govt p191)
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Thats so, so true.se9addick said:
It’s not just going out on the piss when your younger and starting out in your career, but it’s about being around people you can learn fromRodneyCharltonTrotta said:Off_it said:
But then fast forward 10 years and we will have a workforce dominated (even more so) by people sat at home on their own all day who dont know how to communicate with anyone except on a screen, which in turn would u undoubtedly, lead to even more mental health issues.clb74 said:I often wonder how many people would take a small pay cut if it meant not having to travel up town at all.
Lime most things in life the answer lies I trying to strike the right balance.
I think on one of the early covid threads I said I could do it full time. However having done it full time then I've done a uturn and hugely advocate (for myself) a mix is best. Think the 5 days in the office i have to do is unnecessary given i have a near 2 hour door to door commute but prefer the days Im in the office once im there and find it easier to switch off once leaving the office than just flicking off the laptop at home.
Also the interaction with colleagues, having a laugh, face to face chats etc (when you get on with colleagues) is of great benefit to me personally.
But for everyone it's different.
I do look back on my formative years as a post room lad going out on the piss in the city and west end after work and think that it was a great time in a great city and would have missed out on so much if locked away at home working. But was a different world then and not sure if that culture even exists these days amongst youngsters.
informally. I’m talking about learning how business works, how you should/shouldn’t act as a leader, from just observing your role models in the office or having the opportunity to ask a quick question rather than scheduling a meeting for two weeks time. What they are getting there is the cumulative benefit of the experience of generations that have gone before them, each learning from the last. Lose that and it’s not coming back.If we end up with a generation who have only really known working from home and have missed out on all of that informal experience building then, when these people are supposed to be the leaders in 20/25 years time, the economy will end up in an even worse place than we are now.Public transport is a big part of that. The extortionate cost of living in London pushes younger generations out, the extortionate cost of train fares - making up a much higher % of your income if your on a lower wage as a junior employee - keeps them out because they simply can’t afford to get in. Add in that even when you decide to suck it up and pay your small fortune to get into London to go to work the trains are an absolute nightmare.There’s just no joined up thinking in this country. The government moan that productivity is stagnant in our economy but the basic building blocks to encourage productivity are being eroded.
I remember back in the day when I was doing all manner of shit jobs, one of them was as a ground worker and the nonsense I used to hear off the blokes not much older than me about how us youngsters have it easy blah blah as a minibus would pick us up a mile or two sometimes more away from home. So as you get on this minibus full of blokes, some really decent, a lot some of the biggest arseholes I've ever met, soaking wet because one of these pricks not much older than me would demand to be picked up from his front door then invariably never be ready to go on time, so me and whoever else have been stood by some layby or shop for half an hour since 5.30. It wasn't character building, it made me despise selfish losers. The big but was it was ridiculously good money for the time but those mornings I'd be thinking about friends who had office jobs but earned bugger all, or jobs in shops but were dry and Still in bed! And probably didn't have to listen to some toothless smackhead waffle on all day about how good they are at a job whilst leaning on a shovel whilst me and the Indian elders did all the digging.
How I feel now, the balance for people who do jobs in London its either shit paid but essential jobs and those people are basically a government-subsidised workforce as no way could they afford to pay for their own accommodation in London, its then those who leave school or university and like the idea of a London life so get dry-fucked for 1500 quid a month for a house share in a gentrified former shithole like Tufnell Park or Hackney, or stay where you are in Eltham/Bromley with parents and have a bearable commute but little to zero hope of buying any property with any living space nearby or to move down to Gillingham, Chatham, Rochester, wherever and not only get ripped off for 6k a year (thats what it was last time I looked) for the fast train that unless you get on at the first stop you are lucky to get a seat on. And thats if the fucker turns up on time or hasn't been reduced from 12 carriages to 4.
Honestly, when I had a spell working up town for weeks at a time I was thinking back to that horrible, humid minibus at 6am with misty eyes9 -
Great post.1
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To make the existing retail park much larger instead of a railway station.seth plum said:0 -
I'd happily take a cut of double my transport costs to not have to commute. I fucking hate commuting and I can do my job from home just as effectively as I can in the office. There's only a couple of people here that I would miss interacting with in person but I'd take that in exchange for the far superior work/life balance.clb74 said:I often wonder how many people would take a small pay cut if it meant not having to travel up town at all.0 -
and the award for longest sentence in CL ever goes to...Carter said:se9addick said:
It’s not just going out on the piss when your younger and starting out in your career, but it’s about being around people you can learn fromRodneyCharltonTrotta said:Off_it said:
But then fast forward 10 years and we will have a workforce dominated (even more so) by people sat at home on their own all day who dont know how to communicate with anyone except on a screen, which in turn would u undoubtedly, lead to even more mental health issues.clb74 said:I often wonder how many people would take a small pay cut if it meant not having to travel up town at all.
Lime most things in life the answer lies I trying to strike the right balance.
I think on one of the early covid threads I said I could do it full time. However having done it full time then I've done a uturn and hugely advocate (for myself) a mix is best. Think the 5 days in the office i have to do is unnecessary given i have a near 2 hour door to door commute but prefer the days Im in the office once im there and find it easier to switch off once leaving the office than just flicking off the laptop at home.
Also the interaction with colleagues, having a laugh, face to face chats etc (when you get on with colleagues) is of great benefit to me personally.
But for everyone it's different.
I do look back on my formative years as a post room lad going out on the piss in the city and west end after work and think that it was a great time in a great city and would have missed out on so much if locked away at home working. But was a different world then and not sure if that culture even exists these days amongst youngsters.
informally. I’m talking about learning how business works, how you should/shouldn’t act as a leader, from just observing your role models in the office or having the opportunity to ask a quick question rather than scheduling a meeting for two weeks time. What they are getting there is the cumulative benefit of the experience of generations that have gone before them, each learning from the last. Lose that and it’s not coming back.If we end up with a generation who have only really known working from home and have missed out on all of that informal experience building then, when these people are supposed to be the leaders in 20/25 years time, the economy will end up in an even worse place than we are now.Public transport is a big part of that. The extortionate cost of living in London pushes younger generations out, the extortionate cost of train fares - making up a much higher % of your income if your on a lower wage as a junior employee - keeps them out because they simply can’t afford to get in. Add in that even when you decide to suck it up and pay your small fortune to get into London to go to work the trains are an absolute nightmare.There’s just no joined up thinking in this country. The government moan that productivity is stagnant in our economy but the basic building blocks to encourage productivity are being eroded.
How I feel now, the balance for people who do jobs in London its either shit paid but essential jobs and those people are basically a government-subsidised workforce as no way could they afford to pay for their own accommodation in London, its then those who leave school or university and like the idea of a London life so get dry-fucked for 1500 quid a month for a house share in a gentrified former shithole like Tufnell Park or Hackney, or stay where you are in Eltham/Bromley with parents and have a bearable commute but little to zero hope of buying any property with any living space nearby or to move down to Gillingham, Chatham, Rochester, wherever and not only get ripped off for 6k a year (thats what it was last time I looked) for the fast train that unless you get on at the first stop you are lucky to get a seat on.
Great post btw!3 -
Hottest day of the year so obviously the air con isn't working.
That's the least of my problems though. In my haste to grab a seat, I'm now sat about a metre from a charming drunk man who sounds like Don Logan from the classic film, Sexy Beast. He was on the phone to someone at the start of the journey, explaining that his best mate had shagged his wife, and that it's £10 a pint in Central London. Unfortunately, his phone's battery has died. He's asked everyone in the carriage if anyone's got a spare iPhone charger. He's asked the chap next to him if he's familiar with Tilbury, if anyone's ever bought fish and meat off him, called the chap next to him a c**t, told him he looks like the prime minister, apologised to everyone, told everyone their aftershave stinks, asked for a charger again. 20 minutes of this still to endure.28 -
Why on earth would the wife of this paragon ever consider adultery? Wonders will never cease.MrLargo said:Hottest day of the year so obviously the air con isn't working.
That's the least of my problems though. In my haste to grab a seat, I'm now sat about a metre from a charming drunk man who sounds like Don Logan from the classic film, Sexy Beast. He was on the phone to someone at the start of the journey, explaining that his best mate had shagged his wife, and that it's £10 a pint in Central London. Unfortunately, his phone's battery has died. He's asked everyone in the carriage if anyone's got a spare iPhone charger. He's asked the chap next to him if he's familiar with Tilbury, if anyone's ever bought fish and meat off him, called the chap next to him a c**t, told him he looks like the prime minister, apologised to everyone, told everyone their aftershave stinks, asked for a charger again. 20 minutes of this still to endure.
Great to have a Largo travel update
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Listened to him all the way home but only got the full visual glory when I stood up to get off - suave and sophisticated, his lack of shirt enabled his tattoos to be viewed in all their glory.
Unbelievably, this was on the line to Sevenoaks and Tonbridge. I can only presume that, in his drunken stupor, he got confused trying to find the South Bermondsey train.7 -
Sorry about that mate. I was visiting family down there.MrLargo said:Listened to him all the way home but only got the full visual glory when I stood up to get off - suave and sophisticated, his lack of shirt enabled his tattoos to be viewed in all their glory.
Unbelievably, this was on the line to Sevenoaks and Tonbridge. I can only presume that, in his drunken stupor, he got confused trying to find the South Bermondsey train.7 -
Regarding Waterloo, due to pull down Elizabeth House (Thames side exit building - York Road).Crusty54 said:
To make the existing retail park much larger instead of a railway station.seth plum said:
Massive building and new retail areas along with step free access to Northern Line.
Already a few bars restaurants under old Eurostar platforms.
Need to do something as that tunnel under the station from Leake Street to The Cut is not very welcoming to say the least.2 - Sponsored links:
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There's no way you'd get me to go into a tunnel called Leake St.R0TW said:
Regarding Waterloo, due to pull down Elizabeth House (Thames side exit building - York Road).Crusty54 said:
To make the existing retail park much larger instead of a railway station.seth plum said:
Massive building and new retail areas along with step free access to Northern Line.
Already a few bars restaurants under old Eurostar platforms.
Need to do something as that tunnel under the station from Leake Street to The Cut is not very welcoming to say the least.2 -
DaveMehmet said:
There's no way you'd get me to go into a tunnel called Leake St.R0TW said:
Regarding Waterloo, due to pull down Elizabeth House (Thames side exit building - York Road).Crusty54 said:
To make the existing retail park much larger instead of a railway station.seth plum said:
Massive building and new retail areas along with step free access to Northern Line.
Already a few bars restaurants under old Eurostar platforms.
Need to do something as that tunnel under the station from Leake Street to The Cut is not very welcoming to say the least.
They should try something to brighten it up. Maybe some graffiti would do the job?
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Train this morning was 4 carriages instead of the usual, already overcrowded, 8. Delightful!0
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Did Southeastern broadcast the advice to stay cool in this hot weather?0
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Ha ha. You couldn’t make it up mate.JohnBoyUK said:DaveMehmet said:
There's no way you'd get me to go into a tunnel called Leake St.R0TW said:
Regarding Waterloo, due to pull down Elizabeth House (Thames side exit building - York Road).Crusty54 said:
To make the existing retail park much larger instead of a railway station.seth plum said:
Massive building and new retail areas along with step free access to Northern Line.
Already a few bars restaurants under old Eurostar platforms.
Need to do something as that tunnel under the station from Leake Street to The Cut is not very welcoming to say the least.
They should try something to brighten it up. Maybe some graffiti would do the job?
What a better way to make a darkened tunnel more welcoming that having a load of crack heads sleeping next to some nice tasteful graffiti as a backdrop.2 -
No trains in either direction between Dartford/ London Bridge Via Woolwich at the moment, trespasser on the line at Woolwich Dockyard.
https://www.southeasternrailway.co.uk/travel-information/live-travel-information/service-disruption
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This one has come round again in the Southeastern's big book of excuses.4
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My train to London on Wednesday was cancelled due to a lineside fire at Hastings. The one i got one was delayed due to a lineside fire at Charing Cross. After a couple of hot days...iaitch said:This one has come round again in the Southeastern's big book of excuses.0 -
A heads-up that the trains to/from Charlton are a mess on Saturday because of engineering work further down the line.
There are also no Bexleyheath line trains. The Sidcup line looks fine, though.
Trains to Charlton are running -
Cannon Street to Plumstead via Greenwich (half-hourly)Victoria to Plumstead via Denmark Hill, Peckham Rye and Lewisham (half-hourly)
There are replacement buses between Plumstead and Dartford (SE's website says Slade Green but Real Time Trains says otherwise: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/simple/gb-nr:DFD/2024-10-19/1133)
Thameslink will run half-hourly between Dartford and Rainham.
https://www.southeasternrailway.co.uk/travel-information/service-updates/planned-engineering-work?date=2024-10-19#engineering-departure-board0 - Sponsored links:
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We're all over it 're Stockport inspector, further down the page
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/98736/saturday-19th-october-v-stockport-potential-train-problems#latest
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Vandalism and fire halts Southeastern trains through New Eltham
Southeastern are unable to operate trains this evening along the Sidcup line after an object was thrown onto tracks in the New Eltham area
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New timetable came into effect at the weekend. My usual, overcrowded, 8 carriage train has been 6 carriages (Monday) and 4 carriages (Tuesday) so far. At this rate, it will have disappeared completely by Thursday!14
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Southeastern trains to be fitted with toilets
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At least this means that the next time you're stuck on one of their trains going nowhere you don't have to worry about soiling yourself. That's progress, and it's only taken until 2025!!!clive said:Southeastern trains to be fitted with toilets
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waste of money, what was wrong with the old hole in the train floor train concept, tried and tested over the years, they will be fitting heating that dosn't just work full on in the summer next.Off_it said:
At least this means that the next time you're stuck on one of their trains going nowhere you don't have to worry about soiling yourself. That's progress, and it's only taken until 2025!!!clive said:Southeastern trains to be fitted with toilets
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Will the toilets be working?1
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No, probably a busted flush.iaitch said:Will the toilets be working?2 -
of course not - don't be ridiculousiaitch said:Will the toilets be working?2 -
But of course, no funding for air conditioning.2
