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Southeastern train disruption (franchise to be taken over by Govt p191)

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  • Walked down to barnehurst waited about three minutes and a Cannon Street train pulled in.

    That was nearly ten minutes ago and we haven't actually gone anywhere yet but the heating is on so, you know, every cloud and all that...
  • Nothing from Bexley, but I knew that so got a cab to Woolwich Arsenal and got the DLR into Canary Wharf. 40 minutes door to door.
  • Walked down to barnehurst waited about three minutes and a Cannon Street train pulled in.

    That was nearly ten minutes ago and we haven't actually gone anywhere yet but the heating is on so, you know, every cloud and all that...

    Posting the above seems to have helped as I'm already pulling out of welling
  • edited January 2017
    Got on the already packed 7.19 from Eltham. At lewisham the driver started trying to shut the doors literally about 10 seconds after opening them - because that's the really safe thing to do obviously!

    I know it will never happen, but what about giving free travel when the trains are mashed up like this.
  • Jesus, got all the way to Eltham with not a single person having to stand (I had a two seater to myself) then BANG its fucking ramo!

  • Jesus, got all the way to Eltham with not a single person having to stand (I had a two seater to myself) then BANG its fucking ramo!

    I would guess as no trains stopping at Mottingham or New Eltham lots of people going up to Eltham. Car park was full when I got down there this morning.
  • Went to Chislehurst as I thought that a busy Eltham would be the case. Still seats at Grove Park, crawling along though.
  • You lot need to stop moaning.

    Central line is on strike tomorrow - think of us poor Essex exiles.
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  • I see the joy of everyday travel to London is still the pain in the arse as it ever was. How I do not miss this nonsense..... If anything the journeys seem to take longer, and the time delays are frankly ridiculous. Saw 7 'engineers' looking at this incident on BBC news!, Apparently they have been working all night on this a spokesperson reports......
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  • Meant to last for the rest of the week
  • Got 0720 bexleyheath line from dartford. It was only a little late but I didn't realise you could squeeze that many peeps onto a train. Elf an safety anyone?
  • WSS said:

    Meant to last for the rest of the week

    From an initial estimate of "all day Tuesday, probably continuing on Wednesday".

    That's it lads, all hands to the pump tea urn.
  • Fuck the pleural effusion, I am going to cycle in if it is going to stay like this.
  • Fuck the pleural effusion, I am going to cycle in if it is going to stay like this.

    I did that about 35 years ago during a strike, borrowed a bike from a mate and enjoyed it so much I bought one.
    The rest is history so to speak.
    You'll get fitter, save a LOT of money, learn new hand gestures etc.
    Cold rain is not much fun but nor is trying to cram into a crowded train.
  • I'm not going to criticize KM for being on Platform 7 at London Bridge.

    It could just be she is trying to appeal to our better side and is actively taking down train numbers.

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  • Got 0720 bexleyheath line from dartford. It was only a little late but I didn't realise you could squeeze that many peeps onto a train. Elf an safety anyone?

    And me, they could have given more than 2minutes notice of the platform change. As I got on at dartford I had seat and leg space, the journey home tonight though......
  • sm said:

    Given up, working from home now.

    The rescue train arrived. But it wasn't able to pull the broken down train. So we all had to leave the broken down train and get on the rescue train. The broken down train could still be there! Got back to Sevenoaks 2 hours 20 minutes after leaving Sevenoaks.

    The old wrong type of rescue train excuse.

    I wonder if this morning's derailment in Lewisham is along the same stretch of track that the trains have been going slowly along for the past few weeks? Southeastern really need to sort out their sub-contractors.
    Just to point out again that Southeastern don't have anything to do with track or sub-contractors. This is done by Network Rail (which is basically the government).
    SE make a payment for the use of the track to Network Rail and they lease the trains from the train leasing companies - so it is otiose to say they have nothing to do with the track or that they do not have contracts with Netrail or the train leasing companies. Customers contract with SE who then sub contract with Netrail and the train leasing companies to provide the service we pay for. It is SE's job to manage their subcontractors not the customers - anyone in real business who blamed their subcontractors for not delivering on their contracts would soon go out of business and deservedly so.
  • sm said:

    sm said:

    Given up, working from home now.

    The rescue train arrived. But it wasn't able to pull the broken down train. So we all had to leave the broken down train and get on the rescue train. The broken down train could still be there! Got back to Sevenoaks 2 hours 20 minutes after leaving Sevenoaks.

    The old wrong type of rescue train excuse.

    I wonder if this morning's derailment in Lewisham is along the same stretch of track that the trains have been going slowly along for the past few weeks? Southeastern really need to sort out their sub-contractors.
    Just to point out again that Southeastern don't have anything to do with track or sub-contractors. This is done by Network Rail (which is basically the government).
    SE make a payment for the use of the track to Network Rail and they lease the trains from the train leasing companies - so it is otiose to say they have nothing to do with the track or that they do not have contracts with Netrail or the train leasing companies. Customers contract with SE who then sub contract with Netrail and the train leasing companies to provide the service we pay for. It is SE's job to manage their subcontractors not the customers - anyone in real business who blamed their subcontractors for not delivering on their contracts would soon go out of business and deservedly so.
    So how should Southeastern deal with a situation when another company using the Network Rail (govt owned as pointed out above) block the track and put it out of use? Are you suggesting they use that alternative rail network which doesn't exist?
  • So far so good today, the 05.17 Tunbridge Wells to Charing Cross is on time.

    I see the Tunbridge Wells to Cannon Street trains are all going to Victoria this morning.

    except those coming up from Hastings which were going to CS as scheduled
  • If Network Rail were my sub-contractors I would be kicking them from pillar to post at the moment - if you look at the images of the derailment it appears from the ballast that it occurred on a newly laid section of track. At the moment SE cannot even say when the work by NR is planned to finish.
  • sm said:

    If Network Rail were my sub-contractors I would be kicking them from pillar to post at the moment - if you look at the images of the derailment it appears from the ballast that it occurred on a newly laid section of track. At the moment SE cannot even say when the work by NR is planned to finish.

    Indeed. Unfortunately train service providers don't have an option on who they can use.
  • Any objections to Southeastern taking over CAFC from Roland?
  • sm said:

    sm said:

    Given up, working from home now.

    The rescue train arrived. But it wasn't able to pull the broken down train. So we all had to leave the broken down train and get on the rescue train. The broken down train could still be there! Got back to Sevenoaks 2 hours 20 minutes after leaving Sevenoaks.

    The old wrong type of rescue train excuse.

    I wonder if this morning's derailment in Lewisham is along the same stretch of track that the trains have been going slowly along for the past few weeks? Southeastern really need to sort out their sub-contractors.
    Just to point out again that Southeastern don't have anything to do with track or sub-contractors. This is done by Network Rail (which is basically the government).
    SE make a payment for the use of the track to Network Rail and they lease the trains from the train leasing companies - so it is otiose to say they have nothing to do with the track or that they do not have contracts with Netrail or the train leasing companies. Customers contract with SE who then sub contract with Netrail and the train leasing companies to provide the service we pay for. It is SE's job to manage their subcontractors not the customers - anyone in real business who blamed their subcontractors for not delivering on their contracts would soon go out of business and deservedly so.
    So how should Southeastern deal with a situation when another company using the Network Rail (govt owned as pointed out above) block the track and put it out of use? Are you suggesting they use that alternative rail network which doesn't exist?
    Exactly. Especially when Network Rail are a government entity who hide behind the "we're heavily investing in the railway" line.
  • They've had to turn all power off to allow passengers to walk off other trains stuck behind the one on fire.

    Absolute shit show.
  • Come on Woolwich line - we're relying on you.
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