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Southeastern train disruption (franchise to be taken over by Govt p191)

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  • BarnEhurst, it's BarnEhurst
  • Couldn't give a fEuck mate. :-)
  • No it's OK, the trains aren't buggered at the moment (well they might be, but I have no information on that). Anyone who's a regular on this thread will probably want to vent their spleen on Official Government consultation on the future of the South Eastern rail franchise
  • Stop fucking the train guys.
  • Latest proposals from Shiteastern include:

    - All Metro trains will go to Cannon Street (great if you work near Waterloo or in the west end)
    - Less seating so they can cram more people on (and charge you more for the pleasure)
    - A fast service to London from Ashford International (don't they already do this?)
    - Better trained staff to help "customers" with up to date information (not even going there!!)


    Who employs the f***ing morons that come up with this shite?
  • Latest proposals from Shiteastern include:

    - All Metro trains will go to Cannon Street (great if you work near Waterloo or in the west end)
    - Less seating so they can cram more people on (and charge you more for the pleasure)
    - A fast service to London from Ashford International (don't they already do this?)
    - Better trained staff to help "customers" with up to date information (not even going there!!)


    Who employs the f***ing morons that come up with this shite?

    We do!

    These are proposals are from the government - nothing to do with ShitEastern who will soon be gone.

    If you vote for f**kwits you get f**kwits.
  • Latest proposals from Shiteastern include:

    - All Metro trains will go to Cannon Street (great if you work near Waterloo or in the west end)
    - Less seating so they can cram more people on (and charge you more for the pleasure)
    - A fast service to London from Ashford International (don't they already do this?)
    - Better trained staff to help "customers" with up to date information (not even going there!!)


    Who employs the f***ing morons that come up with this shite?

    I actually like some of the proposals -

    ditch 1st class - yes
    faster, more frequent trains into London calling at less London terminals - yes
    high speed trains extended to Tonbridge, Hastings - yes please
    automated delay repay for delay's over 15 minutes - yes

  • ditch 1st class - anyone using the suburban lines through Sidcup/Bexleyheath/Woolwich this will mean nothing and any time I see first class on Southeastern it's only about eight seats
    faster, more frequent trains into London calling at less London terminals
    high speed trains extended to Tonbridge, Hastings - yes
    automated delay repay for delays over 15 minutes - yes
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  • JohnBoyUK said:

    So anyone wanting Charing Cross would have to go Cannon Street and then get the District Line to Embankment or the Central Line from Bank to Tottenham Court Road with a 10-15 min walk.
    That's just madness.

    And more expensive.
  • JohnBoyUK said:

    So anyone wanting Charing Cross would have to go Cannon Street and then get the District Line to Embankment or the Central Line from Bank to Tottenham Court Road with a 10-15 min walk.
    That's just madness.

    Or change at London Bridge crap idea
  • JohnBoyUK said:

    So anyone wanting Charing Cross would have to go Cannon Street and then get the District Line to Embankment or the Central Line from Bank to Tottenham Court Road with a 10-15 min walk.
    That's just madness.

    Or change at London Bridge or Lewisham? It's certainly not ideal though. Here's an idea Southeastern - how about making some of the Charing Cross trains stop at all stations and some of the Cannon Street trains fast or semi-fast? Why do CS customers have to stop at every station on every train?
  • Rizzo said:

    JohnBoyUK said:

    So anyone wanting Charing Cross would have to go Cannon Street and then get the District Line to Embankment or the Central Line from Bank to Tottenham Court Road with a 10-15 min walk.
    That's just madness.

    Or change at London Bridge or Lewisham? It's certainly not ideal though. Here's an idea Southeastern - how about making some of the Charing Cross trains stop at all stations and some of the Cannon Street trains fast or semi-fast? Why do CS customers have to stop at every station on every train?
    Would be helpful for us Bexley/Sidcup line folk if some of the Charing Cross trains stopped at Lewisham. At present only the Cannon Street services stop there meaning one every 20 minutes in rush hour. If one is cancelled we're f***ed.
  • Don't they already run some fast trains?
  • Rizzo said:

    JohnBoyUK said:

    So anyone wanting Charing Cross would have to go Cannon Street and then get the District Line to Embankment or the Central Line from Bank to Tottenham Court Road with a 10-15 min walk.
    That's just madness.

    Or change at London Bridge or Lewisham? It's certainly not ideal though. Here's an idea Southeastern - how about making some of the Charing Cross trains stop at all stations and some of the Cannon Street trains fast or semi-fast? Why do CS customers have to stop at every station on every train?
    these new ideas are that of Chris Grayling, southeastern will be losing the franchise

    ditch 1st class - anyone using the suburban lines through Sidcup/Bexleyheath/Woolwich this will mean nothing and any time I see first class on Southeastern it's only about eight seats
    faster, more frequent trains into London calling at less London terminals
    high speed trains extended to Tonbridge, Hastings - yes
    automated delay repay for delays over 15 minutes - yes

    on some of my 12 carraige trains there will be four first class sections, about 16 seats in each so 64 in total with maybe 10 in use so about 54 extra seats created. makes sense to me.

  • Rizzo said:

    JohnBoyUK said:

    So anyone wanting Charing Cross would have to go Cannon Street and then get the District Line to Embankment or the Central Line from Bank to Tottenham Court Road with a 10-15 min walk.
    That's just madness.

    Or change at London Bridge or Lewisham? It's certainly not ideal though. Here's an idea Southeastern - how about making some of the Charing Cross trains stop at all stations and some of the Cannon Street trains fast or semi-fast? Why do CS customers have to stop at every station on every train?
    these new ideas are that of Chris Grayling, southeastern will be losing the franchise

    ditch 1st class - anyone using the suburban lines through Sidcup/Bexleyheath/Woolwich this will mean nothing and any time I see first class on Southeastern it's only about eight seats
    faster, more frequent trains into London calling at less London terminals
    high speed trains extended to Tonbridge, Hastings - yes
    automated delay repay for delays over 15 minutes - yes

    on some of my 12 carraige trains there will be four first class sections, about 16 seats in each so 64 in total with maybe 10 in use so about 54 extra seats created. makes sense to me.

    I've never witnessed that luxury!
  • Sorry for bumping this thread, but would just like best advice for ticket tomorrow? I am going around lunchtime around Leicester Square area. Sometimes i will get a travel card/ other times can pay a single fare and then the other end tap in contactless. Just asking really as i dont often go into London and wanted to know the best way to buy a ticket? From Sevenoaks
  • No trains tomorrow to Cannon Street or Charing Cross or Waterloo east. Probably into Victoria.
  • edited March 2017
    I have looked on national rail/ wherever.... i am more looking at the best option to pay whether by travel card (would it cover it all or do i need zones 1-4) or a single fare + tap in. I am going with a few mates but thought i would see the best way to pay. Or even a heads up the best route to give my 2p :)
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  • Trains through London Bridge may be delayed due to an earlier faulty train
  • Trains could stop calling at some major central stations from south-east London and north Kent

    Southeastern services on the Bexleyheath, Dartford and Greenwich lines will only go to Cannon Street if current proposals are approved.

    At the moment the lines serve Charing Cross, Cannon Street, Blackfriars and Victoria, with stops at London Bridge and Waterloo East.

    An “option for improvement” put forward by the Department for Transport suggests that this “operational complexity” contributes to delays.

    Commuters in the affected areas hit back and claimed the reduction would “ruin our lives. We won’t be able to get to work, areas will suffer, house prices drop [sic].”

    A petition has been set up against the proposal, although the consultation is still open, which has more than 1000 signatures.

    The report released by the DfT states: “Services on the South Eastern network are complex, with many stations offering multiple routes into central London and a choice of London stations including Charing Cross, Cannon Street, Blackfriars and Victoria, with intermediate stops at London Bridge and Waterloo East.

    “For example, services from Lewisham run to Cannon Street, Charing Cross and Victoria.

    “While this increases direct journey opportunities for passengers, it also introduces operational complexity, requiring trains to cross complex and busy junctions.

    “This is a major contributor to delays, and makes it much harder to recover the service when things go wrong.”

    The proposal is part of a consultation and members of the public are invited to respond.

    The report continues: “There would be a limit to the improvements that could be made to the timetable without also reducing the number of central London stations served from certain locations at particular times.

    “An example might be for all Metro services on the north Kent (between Dartford and Charlton), Greenwich and Bexleyheath lines to terminate at Cannon Street only.

    “We believe that the simplicity of a regular service to a single London terminal throughout the day would benefit both regular and occasional passengers.

    “A simpler service can help deliver a step-change improvement in the punctuality of both Metro and Mainline services.

    “We are aware that losing direct connections to particular central London stations has the potential to inconvenience a number of passengers, by requiring them to change their usual journey patterns.”

    To respond to the consultation visit the Department for Transport website.



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  • Yeah, I'm replying to the consultation at the moment. It's rather hard without using the word 'fuckwits'
  • I said once the started the improvement work a couple of years ago and split Cannon St / Charing X services with London Bridge, that once completed they would never go back to the previous service.

    More convinced than ever on that
  • “An example might be for all Metro services on the north Kent (between Dartford and Charlton), Greenwich and Bexleyheath lines to terminate at Cannon Street only."

    How is that different from now?
  • It's different from before the 'upgrade' when half the services from greenwich went to Cannon Street via London Bridge and the other half to Charing Cross via Waterloo east and London Bridge.

    To be honest I don't really see that it's much extra hassle for most people to swap trains at London Bridge if you want to go to Charing Cross (once London Bridge reopens)
  • colthe3rd said:

    “An example might be for all Metro services on the north Kent (between Dartford and Charlton), Greenwich and Bexleyheath lines to terminate at Cannon Street only."

    How is that different from now?

    At the moment, you can get trains from Charlton that go to London Bridge, Waterloo East and Charing Cross, as well ones down a different line to Cannon Street.

    So reducing it to Cannon Street only would definitely be a reduction in service.
  • edited March 2017
    colthe3rd said:

    “An example might be for all Metro services on the north Kent (between Dartford and Charlton), Greenwich and Bexleyheath lines to terminate at Cannon Street only."

    How is that different from now?

    Because now they go to Cannon St, London Bridge, Waterloo, Charing Cross and Victoria.
  • colthe3rd said:

    “An example might be for all Metro services on the north Kent (between Dartford and Charlton), Greenwich and Bexleyheath lines to terminate at Cannon Street only."

    How is that different from now?

    At the moment, you can get trains from Charlton that go to London Bridge, Waterloo East and Charing Cross, as well ones down a different line to Cannon Street.

    So reducing it to Cannon Street only would definitely be a reduction in service.
    Ah sorry I was thinking of Greenwich trains.

    Yes it clearly would be a reduction, there is barely enough capacity at Cannon Street at the moment so there's no way they could send even more trains there.
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