I'd keep Hodgson. It ain't his fault that the players just aren't good enough. Silk purses and all that.
As for those calling for Hoddle; it's not a realistic proposition really as he's not managed for for eight seasons now. His last job was failing (twice) to get a widely fancied Wolves team into the play-offs. I forget whether it was at Wolves or his previous job at Spurs where he was criticised for undermining the players by doing things on the training pitch that they couldn't do themselves. My fear would be that a 56 year-old Hoddle could still undermine the current crop of England internationals with his superior ball skills. No, if you're going to recall Godly Glenn in should be in midfield, not in the managers seat.
I've said it before in another thread, if Hoddle gets anywhere near the england side again i'll be done with supporting england. His views on disabled people are indefensible and disgusting, and yes, for that alone he shouldn't be allowed near the england team. It's a shame a couple of the best coaches we've produced in Venables and Hoddle are terrible human beings.
I've said it before in another thread, if Hoddle gets anywhere near the england side again i'll be done with supporting england. His views on disabled people are indefensible and disgusting, and yes, for that alone he shouldn't be allowed near the england team. It's a shame a couple of the best coaches we've produced in Venables and Hoddle are terrible human beings.
His views are odd but not as black and white as it was reported in the media. I have disabled family members close to me and don't think he should have had to step down as manager but then I also have knowledge of his belief system. His biggest mistake was being naive enough to think he could explain a complex religious belief to a rag journalist.
I've said it before in another thread, if Hoddle gets anywhere near the england side again i'll be done with supporting england. His views on disabled people are indefensible and disgusting, and yes, for that alone he shouldn't be allowed near the england team. It's a shame a couple of the best coaches we've produced in Venables and Hoddle are terrible human beings.
His views are odd but not as black and white as it was reported in the media. I have disabled family members close to me and don't think he should have had to step down as manager but then I also have knowledge of his belief system. His biggest mistake was being naive enough to think he could explain a complex religious belief to a rag journalist.
I don't blame Hodgson and hope he stays on we need stability there. Always changing the manager isn't the answer or fixing the real issues, have to face the facts that the players we are producing aren't good enough. Not just the need for a world class star or two but throughout the team you need stable players comfortable in international football to support. Jagielka, for example, an honest player, decent in the premier league but has had little exposure to playing foriegn teams and was found very wanting and was at fault for both goals in my mind. Our fringe players do seem to find it more difficult than other countries at the international tournaments, style of play and reffering is more continetal that EPL in style and they struggle to adapt. They all look scared in comparison to other teams in the WC who are excited to be there and bubbling with enthusiam, we looked like we just wanted it over.
Which isn't Roy's fault its cultural, he's also reliant on a good pool of players to overcome this but Premier league clubs do not need a strong England national team to succeed on the pitch or financially, nor does the league itself. Without that need/ buy in from the top clubs and League its very hard to fix without rules forcing clubs to use English players and there's no business rationale for the league to impose that.
The FA & EPL need to ask how Germany and Spain have succeeded where we have not, they have comparable leagues but strong national teams (Spain's perfomance in Brazil aside). The 2 need join together to bridging the gap, but that kind of cooperation is probably unlikely.
Hoddle shouldn't be England manager - but he should IMO be given the more important job of being in charge of grass roots football - with the necessary powers of course.
Hoddle shouldn't be England manager - but he should IMO be given the more important job of being in charge of grass roots football - with the necessary powers of course.
Hoddle to get all coaches to start praying for wins rather than coaching. Head of youth developments also told to pray Nelson Mandela comes back as an english footballer in their academy.
...the fact that we are even discussing JT and AC shows us the problem. It is simply not about our chances of improving in this tournament with the addition of two 30+ defenders, one of who struggles to make his club side btw.
We have to stop this attitude of looking at the squad and thinking that player or this player should be in because they may be marginally less crap than the next one and focus on why they are all a bit crap in the first place? And then blaming the England manager because he didn't pick our favourite less crap player.
In month or two the Premiership will be back, Chile will have won the World Cup and everyone will carry on as before raving about how wonderful the standard of English football is.
We will be having the same argument in 4 years time sadly. Except by that stage, if we don't do something NOW it's highly likely that the pool of top English talent will be mostly playing in the Championship or at best Chelsea, Liverpool, Man U development squads.
We have some talented younger players who may perform better in 2016 but after that I can only see it getting worse. In the meantime Hodgson is a decent man doing a decent job within the parameters he has to work in. I really hope the mainstream media lay off the bloke and don't force the FA to axe him but I doubt he will be allowed sufficient time to put together the next generation of players.
Hoddle shouldn't be England manager - but he should IMO be given the more important job of being in charge of grass roots football - with the necessary powers of course.
Hoddle to get all coaches to start praying for wins rather than coaching. Head of youth developments also told to pray Nelson Mandela comes back as an english footballer in their academy.
Hopefully he won’t be getting grass roots coaches to pray for wins as victories mean nothing – in fact they usually inhibit flair as safety becomes the watch word and flair is discouraged. To perfect technique you often have to try and fail!
The most disappointing thing us effectively going out the WC so quickly is that I don't actually think we were that far off.
We are not potential winners, but we are in a difficult group and have (in my opinion), been very unlucky given the balance of play to sustain two defeats. We could very easily be sitting there now with 4 points. Rooney's header from a yard, and left-foot shot at the keeper from 4 yards are goals if falling to Suarez, for example. The margins are so small and we have been cruelly punished in both games when only conceding 2-3 goalscoring chances per game.
I was not a big fan of Hodgson, but he actually has really impressed me. He speaks well, seems to have the squad on board, and has been attempting to play a lot more of a front-end approach to what i was expecting. The irony is we've been punished by defensive weakness (and not taking chances).
England disappointment is a depressingly repetitive trait. Yes, for some of last night's game the players looked either leggy or cautious / nervous, but whether luck or referee's decisions, naff all ever seems to go for us on the big stage.
I'm not convinced with Hodgson but I don't think there are any better candidates out there at the moment, I agree with whoever said Martinez but I'd be shocked if he took it now maybe after 16. Italy was something to build on as despite some naive defending as you would expect from our back line, we were lined up fairly well although I would have had Wilshere instead of one of the forwards. Yesterday though looked a mess and I feel he felt the media pressure saying Rooney has to be the number ten and there was no link between the forwards and midfielders at all until Henderson started getting forward at the end.
I thought Hodgson was alright before the world cup.
But alarm bells should be ringing when Danny Welbeck is still starting, absolute garbage.
Not enough form players were given an oppurtunity either.
Would a world class manager really have done any better with that team? the fact is the player system is the problem. Even a world class manager needs quality to return success.
The most disappointing thing us effectively going out the WC so quickly is that I don't actually think we were that far off.
We are not potential winners, but we are in a difficult group and have (in my opinion), been very unlucky given the balance of play to sustain two defeats. We could very easily be sitting there now with 4 points. Rooney's header from a yard, and left-foot shot at the keeper from 4 yards are goals if falling to Suarez, for example. The margins are so small and we have been cruelly punished in both games when only conceding 2-3 goalscoring chances per game.
I was not a big fan of Hodgson, but he actually has really impressed me. He speaks well, seems to have the squad on board, and has been attempting to play a lot more of a front-end approach to what i was expecting. The irony is we've been punished by defensive weakness (and not taking chances).
England disappointment is a depressingly repetitive trait. Yes, for some of last night's game the players looked either leggy or cautious / nervous, but whether luck or referee's decisions, naff all ever seems to go for us on the big stage.
I agree going forward but defensively we look all over the place.
i think much of england's problems are also mental, hiring a sports psychologist was a step in the right direction but it takes time for these things to come to fruition. Look at how we played after we scored, we finally looked dangerous again like we did against italy. We were far too nervous and at the end of the day no manager can manage against that.
The most disappointing thing us effectively going out the WC so quickly is that I don't actually think we were that far off.
We are not potential winners, but we are in a difficult group and have (in my opinion), been very unlucky given the balance of play to sustain two defeats. We could very easily be sitting there now with 4 points. Rooney's header from a yard, and left-foot shot at the keeper from 4 yards are goals if falling to Suarez, for example. The margins are so small and we have been cruelly punished in both games when only conceding 2-3 goalscoring chances per game.
I was not a big fan of Hodgson, but he actually has really impressed me. He speaks well, seems to have the squad on board, and has been attempting to play a lot more of a front-end approach to what i was expecting. The irony is we've been punished by defensive weakness (and not taking chances).
England disappointment is a depressingly repetitive trait. Yes, for some of last night's game the players looked either leggy or cautious / nervous, but whether luck or referee's decisions, naff all ever seems to go for us on the big stage.
Agree
My thoughts exactly:
1. We have been unlucky/unclinical
2. We have a new fresh batch of players that have not played much together.
3. We are unconfident in our own ability...less arrogent, but less confident.
4. We have a lack of world class players highlighting our defenders.
5. Hodgson tried to have a clear out and bring youth/freshness into the side, but those hindsight folk that say he brought the wrong players...what did we win with cole and terry in the side? A QF knockout instead?
Can't help thinking Roy dropped a bollock over the two games.looked tactically inept which I was A bit suprised about. Are we stuck with him? Would Harry have done any better? Are we a lost cause?
i think much of england's problems are also mental, hiring a sports psychologist was a step in the right direction but it takes time for these things to come to fruition. Look at how we played after we scored, we finally looked dangerous again like we did against italy. We were far too nervous and at the end of the day no manager can manage against that.
Mentally fragile ? These are without exception Premier League players on huge salaries playing at the World Cup. Something they have worked towards all their careers. I think the real problems were not mental but more the order of not being good enough.
Why would or should they be any more mentally deficient than either Italy or Uraguay ?
It's a shocking state of affairs that we don't have a natural centre forward, or a quality right back or centre halves.
This 100%
Hodgson is not the problem.
I felt we had good team spirit. We were in each game. We just don't have quality in defence and a quality finisher.
Hodgson picked the squad that most would have picked (from those available).
We just don't have a Soares or a Balatelli.
But Bingaddick we do have Tom Soares, you may remember him from the clutch of loan players in the first season we were relegated to the Championship............
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As for those calling for Hoddle; it's not a realistic proposition really as he's not managed for for eight seasons now. His last job was failing (twice) to get a widely fancied Wolves team into the play-offs. I forget whether it was at Wolves or his previous job at Spurs where he was criticised for undermining the players by doing things on the training pitch that they couldn't do themselves. My fear would be that a 56 year-old Hoddle could still undermine the current crop of England internationals with his superior ball skills. No, if you're going to recall Godly Glenn in should be in midfield, not in the managers seat.
Not just the need for a world class star or two but throughout the team you need stable players comfortable in international football to support.
Jagielka, for example, an honest player, decent in the premier league but has had little exposure to playing foriegn teams and was found very wanting and was at fault for both goals in my mind.
Our fringe players do seem to find it more difficult than other countries at the international tournaments, style of play and reffering is more continetal that EPL in style and they struggle to adapt.
They all look scared in comparison to other teams in the WC who are excited to be there and bubbling with enthusiam, we looked like we just wanted it over.
Which isn't Roy's fault its cultural, he's also reliant on a good pool of players to overcome this but Premier league clubs do not need a strong England national team to succeed on the pitch or financially, nor does the league itself. Without that need/ buy in from the top clubs and League its very hard to fix without rules forcing clubs to use English players and there's no business rationale for the league to impose that.
The FA & EPL need to ask how Germany and Spain have succeeded where we have not, they have comparable leagues but strong national teams (Spain's perfomance in Brazil aside). The 2 need join together to bridging the gap, but that kind of cooperation is probably unlikely.
Much bigger issues than the manager/ coach.
...the fact that we are even discussing JT and AC shows us the problem. It is simply not about our chances of improving in this tournament with the addition of two 30+ defenders, one of who struggles to make his club side btw.
We have to stop this attitude of looking at the squad and thinking that player or this player should be in because they may be marginally less crap than the next one and focus on why they are all a bit crap in the first place? And then blaming the England manager because he didn't pick our favourite less crap player.
In month or two the Premiership will be back, Chile will have won the World Cup and everyone will carry on as before raving about how wonderful the standard of English football is.
We will be having the same argument in 4 years time sadly. Except by that stage, if we don't do something NOW it's highly likely that the pool of top English talent will be mostly playing in the Championship or at best Chelsea, Liverpool, Man U development squads.
We have some talented younger players who may perform better in 2016 but after that I can only see it getting worse. In the meantime Hodgson is a decent man doing a decent job within the parameters he has to work in. I really hope the mainstream media lay off the bloke and don't force the FA to axe him but I doubt he will be allowed sufficient time to put together the next generation of players.
We are not potential winners, but we are in a difficult group and have (in my opinion), been very unlucky given the balance of play to sustain two defeats. We could very easily be sitting there now with 4 points. Rooney's header from a yard, and left-foot shot at the keeper from 4 yards are goals if falling to Suarez, for example. The margins are so small and we have been cruelly punished in both games when only conceding 2-3 goalscoring chances per game.
I was not a big fan of Hodgson, but he actually has really impressed me. He speaks well, seems to have the squad on board, and has been attempting to play a lot more of a front-end approach to what i was expecting. The irony is we've been punished by defensive weakness (and not taking chances).
England disappointment is a depressingly repetitive trait. Yes, for some of last night's game the players looked either leggy or cautious / nervous, but whether luck or referee's decisions, naff all ever seems to go for us on the big stage.
But alarm bells should be ringing when Danny Welbeck is still starting, absolute garbage.
Not enough form players were given an oppurtunity either.
Would a world class manager really have done any better with that team? the fact is the player system is the problem. Even a world class manager needs quality to return success.
My thoughts exactly:
1. We have been unlucky/unclinical
2. We have a new fresh batch of players that have not played much together.
3. We are unconfident in our own ability...less arrogent, but less confident.
4. We have a lack of world class players highlighting our defenders.
5. Hodgson tried to have a clear out and bring youth/freshness into the side, but those hindsight folk that say he brought the wrong players...what did we win with cole and terry in the side? A QF knockout instead?
Why would or should they be any more mentally deficient than either Italy or Uraguay ?
Could be the answer;-)
Hoddle - No...a dinosaur and the disabled comment is still unforgivable the mans a looney.
Pardew - C%%£$$
Big Sam - Unconvincing...and, crap.
Arry - tactically inept at a stage like this.
Who else is there??? Or do we dive down into the championship for an english manager?
If we are sticking with english manager then we have to stick with Roy.
British/foriegn manager might be different.
English manager - Roy
Foriegn/scot manager - aint gotta clue
Alan Pardew and Sam Allardyce are probably the closest England managers to the England job right now...