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    Jints said:

    It's not a conspiracy. The gun lobby in the States is perfectly open about its aims, whether you agree with them or not.

    Some of its aims need improving...
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    100% alive now Da9 after watching that

    I will try and tempt him out tomoz with an 8 hr elvis special on the stereo kids neighbours and wife will hate me but he is getting an airing tomoz

    Can't wait for him to the appear in the future

    Long live elvis

    Take that mafiosi I reckon it's why thr fella rocked up at Leeds Just in case elvis comes out of hiding in the UK
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    DA9DA9
    edited August 2014

    100% alive now Da9 after watching that

    I will try and tempt him out tomoz with an 8 hr elvis special on the stereo kids neighbours and wife will hate me but he is getting an airing tomoz

    Can't wait for him to the appear in the future

    Long live elvis

    Take that mafiosi I reckon it's why thr fella rocked up at Leeds Just in case elvis comes out of hiding in the UK

    Intriguing stuff isn't it, all completely plausible
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    It is and a lot of it making so much sense is odd

    The recordings of his voice are too uncanny
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    I can't wait for DA9 and NLAs thread on trying to re-form the Jordanaires :-)
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    Tupac, Elvis, John Lennon, Curt Cobain amongst others all faked their deaths with help from the illuminati, to escape the pressures of fame. In exchange the illuminati get the royalties to all future releases of their material. They all live on a undisclosed private island.
    Michael Jackson was refused entry to this exclusive club and was going to expose the whole network, so was killed by his doctor on orders of the illuminati.

    I thought everyone knew that!
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    That's just nonsense
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    I don't buy all the conspiracy theory lark but I do question some things. Have a watch of this if you have time:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc9XYE8XyXU

    It does bring up points that could be right but I still find it hard to believe it. But hey, if people didnt look into incidents then it would be like having no police.
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    edited August 2014
    There is no such player as Andy Delort. He is an invention of Cash-strpped Tours FC:

    As financial pressure built on Tours FC, chairman Jean-Marc Ettori invented three fictional players to add to the Tours squad list. This was initially done to pacify fans who were concerned at the club's lack of depth, however the wily old accountant, Leonard Gantier, suggested that if also added to the accounts Delort and his imaginary companions could be used as a tax-write off. When it looked like the Ministre de l'Economie might find out about their little scam, Ettori and Gantier approached their friend the football raconteur, Barry Soiehomme. Soiehomme pulled a few strings and quickly got the tax authorities off their backs. He also brokered a deal involving the British Royal Family, that would ensure that no-one would ask awkward questions anymore. A video production company was employed to make You-Tube videos of the fictional players. Now they could be hawked around for sale amongst other clubs using the footage which is chiefly made up from old PES games. Of course, they cannot really sell a footballer because there is no footballer to sell, so they had to find a way around this. What they originally planned do was to hi-jack street kids and junkies, give them some awful facial tattoos (if they've not got them already) and illegally export them as if they were the players concerned. Then before they had to kick a ball they would suffer a horrible Escape to Victory style accident and be sent home to collect a lifetime of insurance money - some say that this is what happened with Cory Gibbs, but Prince Phillip has filed a prevention order inhibiting anyone from investigating the truth. Anyway, before a single abduction had taken place, Soiehomme found the perfect solution. There are lots of other clubs out there that would love a fake player to chase. Clubs like Charlton, Wigan and Wolves would all like to be able to claim that they are in hot pursuit of one of Europe's rising stars, though none are actually that keen on paying for such a player. Through careful use of the the internet, these clubs set up dummy fans forums such as The Wolf, ThisNorthernSoul and Charlton Life. These fan sites have been used ever since by devious club owners to publish fake news about what is happening at their clubs. Now Tours can hawk Delort and others around this network of clubs, no club will have to buy the players as through careful use of their Matrix-style internet connections the fans of each club will be fed different 'news'. Now Tours take a minimal subscription from each of several hundred clubs who would like a newsworthy story that they are chasing a player. This keeps Ettori, Gantier and Soiehomme in enough cash to have caviar and champagne every night whilst the owners of Europe's other clubs are never short of a transfer story to pacify the fans.

    Mark my words, if we are told that Delort has gone to Middlesbrough or Brentford, we'll never hear of him again. If the news is that he is coming to SE7, don't be surprised when we are told a week or two later that he's had a nasty accident involving an onion sandwich and that he'll have to spend the rest of his days in the Demelza care home for crocked soccer stars.

    Oh, and you know that nice new pitch we've got. It's a hologram.
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    Addickted said:

    I can't wait for DA9 and NLAs thread on trying to re-form the Jordanaires :-)

    I've actually met the remaining members, back in 2002
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    When the other clubs voted to disband FFP, Roland realised that his dream of cashing in big time by getting Charlton into the Premiership was never going to happen. He consulted his spreadsheets which indicated that running costs would be lower in League 1 than in the Championship. This has become Roland's new vision, to save cash by getting us relegated. So far he has worked at this by letting our key players go, running a thin squad and promoting disharmony at every opportunity whilst hiding out in his Brussels Bunker. If everything goes to plan he'll be able to close all upper tiers of the ground saving on turnstile operators and stewards. The shiny red plastic seats will be melted down to make compenents for his electrical business.

    P.S. I called this one right:
    Stig said:

    There is no such player as Andy Delort. He is an invention of Cash-strpped Tours FC... Mark my words, if we are told that Delort has gone to Middlesbrough or Brentford, we'll never hear of him again.

    They might have said that he'd signed for Wigan, but we've certainly heard nothing of him since.
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    Interesting -

    "You wanna know what else is crazy?

    One of the largest surveillance camera manufacturers in the world is called Hangzhou Hikvision Digital Technology Co. Ltd. The Chinese government owns over half of Hangzhou Hikvision Digital Technology Co. Ltd.

    In the United States, Hangzhou Hikvision Digital Technology Co. Ltd is known as just Hikvision. One of the largest camera distributors in the United States.

    Many people will already know that, but what most people don’t know, is that Hikvision sells its cameras under about 70 other brand names as well. These include.

    LT Security (or just LTS) Hinovision Geovision Honeywell TrendNet And here’s a link showing all 70 (and there’s more that have kept this fact secret). https://ipvm.com/reports/hik-oems-dir

    Hikvision doesn’t own all these companies, but Hikvision does manufacture a ton of each of these company’s cameras.

    All in all, from what I can tell, the Chinese government had a huge hand in manufacturing hundreds of thousands of the cameras installed all over the United States. And Hangzhou Hikvision Digital Technology Co. Ltd has backdoors into every single one of these cameras.

    Any Hikvision manufactured camera connected to a network can be deactivated, activated, reset, or even locked out by Hikvision (majority owned by the Chinese ruling party). Some numbers suggest this could include up to 40% of all security cameras in the United States, but it’s impossible to really know how many it really is.


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    I saw a TV show recently stating that Pokémon Go game has been funded by the CIA and developed to use players as spies. They looked at siting of Pokémon Stops (I'm not sure of the game terminology as I don't flipping play it!), saying that there are lots in areas of embassies, government offices etc.

    Found a news story here: https://www.networkworld.com/article/3099092/mobile-wireless/the-cia-nsa-and-pokmon-go.html
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    edited April 2018
    Wilma said:

    I saw a TV show recently stating that Pokémon Go game has been funded by the CIA and developed to use players as spies. They looked at siting of Pokémon Stops (I'm not sure of the game terminology as I don't flipping play it!), saying that there are lots in areas of embassies, government offices etc.

    Found a news story here: https://www.networkworld.com/article/3099092/mobile-wireless/the-cia-nsa-and-pokmon-go.html

    Yeah, Farage might have used that excuse when he got caught leaving the Ecuador embassy
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    And anyone with a firewall can use a CIDR block tool to prevent access from APNIC allocated IP addresses, or log and watch exactly what connections are being made from APNIC addresses and what is happening in those connections. The Chinese make almost every piece of electronic equipment in existence today and have backdoors into all of them. Every Western nation's government is aware of that, and anything that is of any real consequence to national security should be locked down against those backdoors at the network level. The problem is that everything is connected to the internet when it doesn't need to be. You can be sure that anything related to national infrastructure is in an airgapped private network running on restricted access IPVPNs - it's the shitty imbeciles that manage them who don't want to have to go to a datacentre to do their work and have remote access to their terminals via home addresses that are likely to fuck everything up :)
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    No one with an Apple Mac died in 9/11.
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    Oh man I wish I knew we had a conspiracy theories thread because I have SO many good ones!!!
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    As an aviation geek, I still don't think a plane hit the Pentagon...
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    As an aviation geek, I still don't think a plane hit the Pentagon...

    There are SO many eyewitness accounts of it though, they're just not shown in the 9/11 conspiracy theory videos. I know someone whose mom was across from the Pentagon that day and watched a plane fly into it.

    Absolutely, the flight path on radar is insane and it's something I've never really seen a good explanation as to how a 757 could do that. And the damage pattern is strange. But that plane flew so low for so long that a lot of people saw it.
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    Interesting -

    "You wanna know what else is crazy?

    One of the largest surveillance camera manufacturers in the world is called Hangzhou Hikvision Digital Technology Co. Ltd. The Chinese government owns over half of Hangzhou Hikvision Digital Technology Co. Ltd.

    In the United States, Hangzhou Hikvision Digital Technology Co. Ltd is known as just Hikvision. One of the largest camera distributors in the United States.

    Many people will already know that, but what most people don’t know, is that Hikvision sells its cameras under about 70 other brand names as well. These include.

    LT Security (or just LTS) Hinovision Geovision Honeywell TrendNet And here’s a link showing all 70 (and there’s more that have kept this fact secret). https://ipvm.com/reports/hik-oems-dir

    Hikvision doesn’t own all these companies, but Hikvision does manufacture a ton of each of these company’s cameras. Also Hikvision doesn't make all it's own components, but buys its specialist semiconductors from a company in Belgium.

    All in all, from what I can tell, the Belgians had a huge hand in manufacturing hundreds of thousands of the cameras installed all over the United States. And Hangzhou Hikvision Digital Technology Co. Ltd has backdoors into every single one of these cameras.

    Any Hikvision manufactured camera connected to a network can be deactivated, activated, reset, or even locked out by Hikvision (majority owned by the Chinese ruling party). Some numbers suggest this could include up to 40% of all security cameras in the United States. It’s impossible to really know how big it really is, but what we do know is that Roland Duchatelet is a cockwomble.
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    SDAddick said:

    As an aviation geek, I still don't think a plane hit the Pentagon...

    There are SO many eyewitness accounts of it though, they're just not shown in the 9/11 conspiracy theory videos. I know someone whose mom was across from the Pentagon that day and watched a plane fly into it.

    Absolutely, the flight path on radar is insane and it's something I've never really seen a good explanation as to how a 757 could do that. And the damage pattern is strange. But that plane flew so low for so long that a lot of people saw it.
    9/11 Conspiracy videos are cringe worthy aren't they? The thing with the Pentagon is that there's no videos or photos of the aircraft...especially from a building that probably has more CCTV cameras than an average town! I've never seen a photograph of the wings which is what bugs me about it, considering the wingspan of a 757 is wider than the damage to the building
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    SDAddick said:

    Oh man I wish I knew we had a conspiracy theories thread because I have SO many good ones!!!

    Go for it. Love reading a good conspiracy theory.
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    SDAddick said:

    As an aviation geek, I still don't think a plane hit the Pentagon...

    There are SO many eyewitness accounts of it though, they're just not shown in the 9/11 conspiracy theory videos. I know someone whose mom was across from the Pentagon that day and watched a plane fly into it.

    Absolutely, the flight path on radar is insane and it's something I've never really seen a good explanation as to how a 757 could do that. And the damage pattern is strange. But that plane flew so low for so long that a lot of people saw it.
    9/11 Conspiracy videos are cringe worthy aren't they? The thing with the Pentagon is that there's no videos or photos of the aircraft...especially from a building that probably has more CCTV cameras than an average town! I've never seen a photograph of the wings which is what bugs me about it, considering the wingspan of a 757 is wider than the damage to the building
    I do like a good conspiracy theory. IMO JFC was nor killed by a lone nut, The Moon landings were very probably real & Diana was killed because the driver was drunk (whether by intent I have no idea). 7/7 is 100% true but 911 is a tricky one. I reckon the twin towers were brought down by something more than a plane, same as The Pentagon being hit by something else. Jesse Ventura has done a couple of good programmes on these two - as said above, how The Pentagon can be hit be a massive plane & there is no CCTV of it, and it leaving a hole no bigger than if a bus hit it. HOWEVER, the opposite can be said; if it was planned & covered up then wouldn't the CIA/FBI/Government have faked photo's showing a plane hitting it ?
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    SDAddick said:

    As an aviation geek, I still don't think a plane hit the Pentagon...

    There are SO many eyewitness accounts of it though, they're just not shown in the 9/11 conspiracy theory videos. I know someone whose mom was across from the Pentagon that day and watched a plane fly into it.

    Absolutely, the flight path on radar is insane and it's something I've never really seen a good explanation as to how a 757 could do that. And the damage pattern is strange. But that plane flew so low for so long that a lot of people saw it.
    9/11 Conspiracy videos are cringe worthy aren't they? The thing with the Pentagon is that there's no videos or photos of the aircraft...especially from a building that probably has more CCTV cameras than an average town! I've never seen a photograph of the wings which is what bugs me about it, considering the wingspan of a 757 is wider than the damage to the building
    There is cctv stills of that planes final moments and and the speed of the aircraft makes these look rubbish.
    Also the speed of the aircraft, it’s angle of impact and construction explains the damage.
    I do like a conspiracy theory, they’re fun, but most of them can be taken apart.
    On the 10th September, the day before this atrocity, if someone had written a story that a group of terrorists were planning to simultaneously take over 4 large passenger aircraft and deliberately crash them, most would think it make a Bond script.
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    SDAddick said:

    As an aviation geek, I still don't think a plane hit the Pentagon...

    There are SO many eyewitness accounts of it though, they're just not shown in the 9/11 conspiracy theory videos. I know someone whose mom was across from the Pentagon that day and watched a plane fly into it.

    Absolutely, the flight path on radar is insane and it's something I've never really seen a good explanation as to how a 757 could do that. And the damage pattern is strange. But that plane flew so low for so long that a lot of people saw it.
    9/11 Conspiracy videos are cringe worthy aren't they? The thing with the Pentagon is that there's no videos or photos of the aircraft...especially from a building that probably has more CCTV cameras than an average town! I've never seen a photograph of the wings which is what bugs me about it, considering the wingspan of a 757 is wider than the damage to the building
    Oh so many are so cringeworthy. And I say this as someone who has watched them for probably 15 years. As Nick points out, the logistics of a cover up for 9/11 would be incredibly difficult.

    I actually have my own theory on the Pentagon thing, which probably isn't true but whatever. I think there may be anti-aircraft missile(s) that were deployed, which is why the plane went into the building and caused such a narrow path of destruction. I have no proof for this whatsoever other than the damage path, and also the fact that the Pentagon for years was rumored to have some sort of missile defense system. The resulting cover up and lack of security footage would be because the Government does not want to make that defense system public knowledge.

    Again, super shaky, probably dispelled somewhere, just something I've always wondered about.
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    SDAddick said:

    Oh man I wish I knew we had a conspiracy theories thread because I have SO many good ones!!!

    Go for it. Love reading a good conspiracy theory.
    I should clarify, they're not mine necessarily, just ones I've come across down the years. I'll post a couple tomorrow with a little synopsis so you don't have to listen to two hours of Coast to Coast interviews.
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