if and when immigration falls then so will our economy.
You may well be right. But it should also reduce pressure on the NHS, schools, public services and property prices.
Except that the NHS relies upon immigrants labour - perhaps for a whole range of skills and duties. I have no wider experience of education and obviously having to teach English as a second language is a big overhead. But then so are successive ministers of education with their political reforms every few years!
@PragueAddick an article on Greencore being unable to recruit sufficient local workers can be found on the BBC website dated 6th November. In your eyes is the BBC more creditable than the Daily ....? I leave you to fill in the blanks.
Yes because the BBC doesn't insert into a news story a line like this:
"Its vacancy crisis will re-ignite claims that Britain’s generous welfare system has created a generation unwilling to work, while acting as a magnet for foreigners"
Without buying into the very boring right-left blame game the most interesting thing about the UK recovery is that it is largely confined to London and the south-eastern corner.
The rest of the country remains very much in the doldrums and it will be very interesting to see how this plays out electorally next year.
Under the hapless Miliband Labour are struggling but Cameron/Osbourne are not exactly wildly popular either outside the Tory shires.
It's going to be a very messy election.
Is Nottingham (ed Northampton - I'm clearly depriving some village of it's idiot!) in the South East now then? From the BBC today Bringing workers in from Hungary is not the answer to a sandwich firm's recruitment problems, according to the leader of Northampton Borough Council.
Conservative David Mackintosh said employing workers from abroad would only increase the pressure on schools and health facilities in the town.
Greencore Group have already made moves to recruit staff from Hungary due to "very low unemployment" locally.
The firm has now said it still intends to recruit in Northampton.
Without buying into the very boring right-left blame game the most interesting thing about the UK recovery is that it is largely confined to London and the south-eastern corner.
The rest of the country remains very much in the doldrums and it will be very interesting to see how this plays out electorally next year.
Under the hapless Miliband Labour are struggling but Cameron/Osbourne are not exactly wildly popular either outside the Tory shires.
It's going to be a very messy election.
Is Nottingham in the South East now then? From the BBC today Bringing workers in from Hungary is not the answer to a sandwich firm's recruitment problems, according to the leader of Northampton Borough Council.
Conservative David Mackintosh said employing workers from abroad would only increase the pressure on schools and health facilities in the town.
Greencore Group have already made moves to recruit staff from Hungary due to "very low unemployment" locally.
The firm has now said it still intends to recruit in Northampton.
You seem to have confused Nottingham with Northampton. That is what United Biscuits did when they asked me where I wanted to spend my year "on the road" flogging biscuits. I said Nottingham. (It was a great place then and had an excess of females) I found myself in Northampton. I have never forgiven them.
Funnily enough after my 21st birthday in Bath I had a meeting the next day at Nottingham. Drove in less than peak condition all the way up there, only to find..you guessed it, the meeting was in Northampton!
Either way neither of them are in the south, unless you are Hebridean.
Although Nottingham's (and the county's itself) unemployment rate, according to the local news earlier this year has also fallen sharply. Personally I think I'd like to blame Thatcher Brown Osbourne and Clegg for all this. And Boris. And Ken. Boo!
Nottingham unemployment rate falls by 16% in a year By Nottingham Post A DROP in unemployment is a sign that Nottingham’s economy has turned a corner, it is claimed.
New figures show more than 2,000 fewer people were claiming Jobseeker’s Allowance in the city at the end of 2013 than the year before.
The 11,261 people signing on in Nottingham in December was 16 per cent down on the 13,468 in December 2012. This figure is now at its lowest since July 2010.
Meanwhile, in Notts, the number of people currently claiming the allowance is now at its lowest since April 2001.
Without buying into the very boring right-left blame game the most interesting thing about the UK recovery is that it is largely confined to London and the south-eastern corner.
The rest of the country remains very much in the doldrums and it will be very interesting to see how this plays out electorally next year.
Under the hapless Miliband Labour are struggling but Cameron/Osbourne are not exactly wildly popular either outside the Tory shires.
It's going to be a very messy election.
Especially if people around the world believe everything the politicians tell them.
North East leads way in economic recovery: Region is fastest growing in the country Companies in the region enjoyed strong growth last month Report undermines Labour claims that recovery is centred in London By HUGO DUNCAN FOR THE DAILY MAIL PUBLISHED: 02:04, 14 July 2014 | UPDATED: 11:15, 14 July 2014 The North East is the fastest growing region in the country in a sign the economic recovery is spreading, figures show today. Lloyds Bank said its index of activity among UK companies – where anything above 50 represents growth – dipped from 59 to a still robust 58 in June. Companies in the North East of England saw the strongest expansion last month, with the region clocking up a record score of 64.8.
or from the Financial Times last month
Graphene, the “wonder material” discovered at Manchester University is superstrong, superthin, superconductive and could be used in everything from aeroplane wings to computer chips. But is it strong enough to bridge the north-south divide? George Osborne, the chancellor, hopes so, as he pins his hopes of economic recovery, and a Conservative election victory, on northern England.
Mr Osborne, who represents Tatton, just south of Manchester, has mentioned graphene in the bulk of his autumn statements and budgets and visited the lab twice in the past few months to handle the black stuff himself.
The chancellor wants to help create a “northern powerhouse” to raise the growth rate of the north to the national average. Greater Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds and Sheffield, most of them being in the top 10 fastest growing cities in the UK, have a population of 9m, a £154bn economy and almost 3m jobs. Better motorways, rolling stock and a new high speed rail line connecting the proposed £50bn HS2 to London would cost about £15bn.
Over 18 years, the north has grown at an average nominal growth of 3.9 per cent a year, when the whole UK was averaging more than 4.4 per cent.
Jim O’Neill, the former Goldman Sachs economist who coined the term Brics, is chairing a Royal Society of Arts commission on city growth that concludes in October. “Hats off to the chancellor. Whatever you think of his motivation he has taken bold initiatives,” he told an audience at Manchester Business School this month.
Dame Nancy Rothwell, vice-chancellor of Manchester University, who met Mr Osborne recently, said: “He has a genuine interest in developing the economy.”
Manchester has also attracted government funding as well as £30m from Abu Dhabi for a £60m Graphene Engineering Innovation Centre.
Conservatives have lost power in all big northern cities since the 1980s after Margaret Thatcher, prime minister, presided over the closure of coal mines, steel works and shipyards.
But David Skelton, head of Renewal, a northern-based campaign group, believes recovery is under way. “The politics of the north are in flux. The loyalty of old industrial areas to Labour is weakening dramatically and that is good for the Conservatives.” He believes disaffected voters now switching to the anti-Brussels UK Independence party may move on to the Conservatives.
Without buying into the very boring right-left blame game the most interesting thing about the UK recovery is that it is largely confined to London and the south-eastern corner.
The rest of the country remains very much in the doldrums and it will be very interesting to see how this plays out electorally next year.
Under the hapless Miliband Labour are struggling but Cameron/Osbourne are not exactly wildly popular either outside the Tory shires.
It's going to be a very messy election.
Especially if people around the world believe everything the politicians tell them.
North East leads way in economic recovery: Region is fastest growing in the country Companies in the region enjoyed strong growth last month Report undermines Labour claims that recovery is centred in London By HUGO DUNCAN FOR THE DAILY MAIL PUBLISHED: 02:04, 14 July 2014 | UPDATED: 11:15, 14 July 2014 The North East is the fastest growing region in the country in a sign the economic recovery is spreading, figures show today. Lloyds Bank said its index of activity among UK companies – where anything above 50 represents growth – dipped from 59 to a still robust 58 in June. Companies in the North East of England saw the strongest expansion last month, with the region clocking up a record score of 64.8.
or from the Financial Times last month
Graphene, the “wonder material” discovered at Manchester University is superstrong, superthin, superconductive and could be used in everything from aeroplane wings to computer chips. But is it strong enough to bridge the north-south divide? George Osborne, the chancellor, hopes so, as he pins his hopes of economic recovery, and a Conservative election victory, on northern England.
Mr Osborne, who represents Tatton, just south of Manchester, has mentioned graphene in the bulk of his autumn statements and budgets and visited the lab twice in the past few months to handle the black stuff himself.
The chancellor wants to help create a “northern powerhouse” to raise the growth rate of the north to the national average. Greater Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds and Sheffield, most of them being in the top 10 fastest growing cities in the UK, have a population of 9m, a £154bn economy and almost 3m jobs. Better motorways, rolling stock and a new high speed rail line connecting the proposed £50bn HS2 to London would cost about £15bn.
Over 18 years, the north has grown at an average nominal growth of 3.9 per cent a year, when the whole UK was averaging more than 4.4 per cent.
Jim O’Neill, the former Goldman Sachs economist who coined the term Brics, is chairing a Royal Society of Arts commission on city growth that concludes in October. “Hats off to the chancellor. Whatever you think of his motivation he has taken bold initiatives,” he told an audience at Manchester Business School this month.
Dame Nancy Rothwell, vice-chancellor of Manchester University, who met Mr Osborne recently, said: “He has a genuine interest in developing the economy.”
Manchester has also attracted government funding as well as £30m from Abu Dhabi for a £60m Graphene Engineering Innovation Centre.
Conservatives have lost power in all big northern cities since the 1980s after Margaret Thatcher, prime minister, presided over the closure of coal mines, steel works and shipyards.
But David Skelton, head of Renewal, a northern-based campaign group, believes recovery is under way. “The politics of the north are in flux. The loyalty of old industrial areas to Labour is weakening dramatically and that is good for the Conservatives.” He believes disaffected voters now switching to the anti-Brussels UK Independence party may move on to the Conservatives.
From The Daily Mail? Seriously?
I suppose if one of the "lefties" posted a story from The Mirror claiming "Evil Tories Closing NHS" then you'd accept that as proof.
The key point is not whether the economy is recovering outside London - it is whether people in those areas actually feel that to be the case.
The likelihood is that the economy IS recovering in those areas, but people are still some way behind their pre-crash standards of living.
I know you probably can't help coming across as a patronising, supercilious and thoroughly self-satisfied individual on here but if you could at least make an effort then that would be great.
People are allowed to hold contrary points of view to yours without the camp Major hectoring them for being "thoroughly misguided" every five minutes.
You sound so disappointed to have your pronouncements challenged. No need to get personal though is there? I do like the way you 'key point' has changed. I like flexibility Is a Lloyd's bank study not valid then? I've quoted the Labour Party conference as often as the daily fail in recent months and used the Grauniad seven times as much as either. The only indication of my voting preference is that I distrust all the parties but having heard Farage, I like the way he speaks but would never vote Ukip. What camp major means I have no idea. Is this an Australianism? Of course people can have contrary views, but if they sound like rubbish, and on searching, have facts to show they are rubbish, surely that's the nub of a good debate?
Bloody bankers spreading lies about how relatively successful the North has become. What with them and the FT shouting Gideon's propaganda - who needs The Daily Mail?
The bad medicine being dished up by the Tories is obviously working, unlike most of our more profligate European neighbours.
Unemployment fell for the 18th consecutive quarter, roughly coinciding, with when the Coalition took control. Amazing coincidence.
Wage rises have increased above the cost of living. 1.3% v 1.2%.
Wages are forecast to continue to rise, with inflation expected to slip below 1%.
Well the govt have told NHS workers to whistle for a pay rise and have done for four of the last five years. Bring on more of this economic miracle I say. I've never had it so good.
Unemployment fell for the 18th consecutive quarter, roughly coinciding, with when the Coalition took control. Amazing coincidence.
Wage rises have increased above the cost of living. 1.3% v 1.2%.
Wages are forecast to continue to rise, with inflation expected to slip below 1%.
Well the govt have told NHS workers to whistle for a pay rise and have done for four of the last five years. Bring on more of this economic miracle I say. I've never had it so good.
SHG mate, you are wasting your time arguing with the Forelock tuggers who are ever grateful with the crumbs from the rich man's table. Always happy to piss on their own in the cause of self interest :-)
Unfortunately the above post is the staple economic argument of the left
Blame it on the rich...
Boo the hard working entrepreneurial people in this country who graft enough to put themselves at the top table (and contribute a small fortune in income tax and NI)
It always amazes me how anyone on the red side of politics can defend labour on their economic policies, they have got it wrong for the last 50 years and it's like me getting in an argument with a Real Madrid fan over who supports the biggest club
Unemployment fell for the 18th consecutive quarter, roughly coinciding, with when the Coalition took control. Amazing coincidence.
Wage rises have increased above the cost of living. 1.3% v 1.2%.
Wages are forecast to continue to rise, with inflation expected to slip below 1%.
Well the govt have told NHS workers to whistle for a pay rise and have done for four of the last five years. Bring on more of this economic miracle I say. I've never had it so good.
SHG mate, you are wasting your time arguing with the Forelock tuggers who are ever grateful with the crumbs from the rich man's table. Always happy to piss on their own in the cause of self interest :-)
So, guys, just out of interest, aside from the introduction of the NHS in 1948, what, precisely, have successive Labour Governments done that has been good for the country as a whole? We can all list the dreadful things - that takes no thought (and I could add a few appalling near misses to the list if we'd been unfortunate enough for Michael Foot to have become PM) - but thinking of good work is a little less easy.
Unemployment fell for the 18th consecutive quarter, roughly coinciding, with when the Coalition took control. Amazing coincidence.
Wage rises have increased above the cost of living. 1.3% v 1.2%.
Wages are forecast to continue to rise, with inflation expected to slip below 1%.
Well the govt have told NHS workers to whistle for a pay rise and have done for four of the last five years. Bring on more of this economic miracle I say. I've never had it so good.
SHG mate, you are wasting your time arguing with the Forelock tuggers who are ever grateful with the crumbs from the rich man's table. Always happy to piss on their own in the cause of self interest :-)
So, guys, just out of interest, aside from the introduction of the NHS in 1948, what, precisely, have successive Labour Tory Governments done that has been good for the country as a whole? We can all list the dreadful things - that takes no thought (and I could add a few appalling near misses to the list if we'd been unfortunate enough for William Hague Michael Foot to have become PM) - but thinking of good work is a little less easy.
Unemployment fell for the 18th consecutive quarter, roughly coinciding, with when the Coalition took control. Amazing coincidence.
Wage rises have increased above the cost of living. 1.3% v 1.2%.
Wages are forecast to continue to rise, with inflation expected to slip below 1%.
Well the govt have told NHS workers to whistle for a pay rise and have done for four of the last five years. Bring on more of this economic miracle I say. I've never had it so good.
SHG mate, you are wasting your time arguing with the Forelock tuggers who are ever grateful with the crumbs from the rich man's table. Always happy to piss on their own in the cause of self interest :-)
So, guys, just out of interest, aside from the introduction of the NHS in 1948, what, precisely, have successive Labour Tory Governments done that has been good for the country as a whole? We can all list the dreadful things - that takes no thought (and I could add a few appalling near misses to the list if we'd been unfortunate enough for William Hague Michael Foot to have become PM) - but thinking of good work is a little less easy.
I've fixed it for you.
Taking the country from having blackouts once a week to a finance market leader. Thats something very positive. Even if you strongly disagree with the methods, but even thatcher's strongest critics admitted she had significant success with the economy. At what cost is obviously a hot issue and has been done to death on this forum.
Comments
"Its vacancy crisis will re-ignite claims that Britain’s generous welfare system has created a generation unwilling to work, while acting as a magnet for foreigners"
From the BBC today
Bringing workers in from Hungary is not the answer to a sandwich firm's recruitment problems, according to the leader of Northampton Borough Council.
Conservative David Mackintosh said employing workers from abroad would only increase the pressure on schools and health facilities in the town.
Greencore Group have already made moves to recruit staff from Hungary due to "very low unemployment" locally.
The firm has now said it still intends to recruit in Northampton.
And Birmingham's figures over the past decade make interesting reading.
From the Council themselves
http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/cs/Satellite?blobcol=urldata&blobheader=application/pdf&blobheadername1=Content-Disposition&blobkey=id&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobwhere=1223568327879&ssbinary=true&blobheadervalue1=attachment;+filename=566719Unemployment_Briefing_November_2014.pdf
Which also shows the low rates (and falling) in Newcastle, Manchester, Leeds and Sheffield. And Bristol.
Drove in less than peak condition all the way up there, only to find..you guessed it, the meeting was in Northampton!
Either way neither of them are in the south, unless you are Hebridean.
Although Nottingham's (and the county's itself) unemployment rate, according to the local news earlier this year has also fallen sharply. Personally I think I'd like to blame Thatcher Brown Osbourne and Clegg for all this. And Boris. And Ken. Boo!
Nottingham unemployment rate falls by 16% in a year
By Nottingham Post
A DROP in unemployment is a sign that Nottingham’s economy has turned a corner, it is claimed.
New figures show more than 2,000 fewer people were claiming Jobseeker’s Allowance in the city at the end of 2013 than the year before.
The 11,261 people signing on in Nottingham in December was 16 per cent down on the 13,468 in December 2012. This figure is now at its lowest since July 2010.
Meanwhile, in Notts, the number of people currently claiming the allowance is now at its lowest since April 2001.
North East leads way in economic recovery: Region is fastest growing in the country
Companies in the region enjoyed strong growth last month
Report undermines Labour claims that recovery is centred in London
By HUGO DUNCAN FOR THE DAILY MAIL
PUBLISHED: 02:04, 14 July 2014 | UPDATED: 11:15, 14 July 2014
The North East is the fastest growing region in the country in a sign the economic recovery is spreading, figures show today.
Lloyds Bank said its index of activity among UK companies – where anything above 50 represents growth – dipped from 59 to a still robust 58 in June.
Companies in the North East of England saw the strongest expansion last month, with the region clocking up a record score of 64.8.
or from the Financial Times last month
Graphene, the “wonder material” discovered at Manchester University is superstrong, superthin, superconductive and could be used in everything from aeroplane wings to computer chips. But is it strong enough to bridge the north-south divide?
George Osborne, the chancellor, hopes so, as he pins his hopes of economic recovery, and a Conservative election victory, on northern England.
Mr Osborne, who represents Tatton, just south of Manchester, has mentioned graphene in the bulk of his autumn statements and budgets and visited the lab twice in the past few months to handle the black stuff himself.
The chancellor wants to help create a “northern powerhouse” to raise the growth rate of the north to the national average. Greater Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds and Sheffield, most of them being in the top 10 fastest growing cities in the UK, have a population of 9m, a £154bn economy and almost 3m jobs. Better motorways, rolling stock and a new high speed rail line connecting the proposed £50bn HS2 to London would cost about £15bn.
Over 18 years, the north has grown at an average nominal growth of 3.9 per cent a year, when the whole UK was averaging more than 4.4 per cent.
Jim O’Neill, the former Goldman Sachs economist who coined the term Brics, is chairing a Royal Society of Arts commission on city growth that concludes in October. “Hats off to the chancellor. Whatever you think of his motivation he has taken bold initiatives,” he told an audience at Manchester Business School this month.
Dame Nancy Rothwell, vice-chancellor of Manchester University, who met Mr Osborne recently, said: “He has a genuine interest in developing the economy.”
Manchester has also attracted government funding as well as £30m from Abu Dhabi for a £60m Graphene Engineering Innovation Centre.
Conservatives have lost power in all big northern cities since the 1980s after Margaret Thatcher, prime minister, presided over the closure of coal mines, steel works and shipyards.
But David Skelton, head of Renewal, a northern-based campaign group, believes recovery is under way. “The politics of the north are in flux. The loyalty of old industrial areas to Labour is weakening dramatically and that is good for the Conservatives.”
He believes disaffected voters now switching to the anti-Brussels UK Independence party may move on to the Conservatives.
Just saying. ;-)
But Blair, that's a different matter!!!!!
I suppose if one of the "lefties" posted a story from The Mirror claiming "Evil Tories Closing NHS" then you'd accept that as proof.
The key point is not whether the economy is recovering outside London - it is whether people in those areas actually feel that to be the case.
The likelihood is that the economy IS recovering in those areas, but people are still some way behind their pre-crash standards of living.
I know you probably can't help coming across as a patronising, supercilious and thoroughly self-satisfied individual on here but if you could at least make an effort then that would be great.
People are allowed to hold contrary points of view to yours without the camp Major hectoring them for being "thoroughly misguided" every five minutes.
I do like the way you 'key point' has changed. I like flexibility
Is a Lloyd's bank study not valid then?
I've quoted the Labour Party conference as often as the daily fail in recent months and used the Grauniad seven times as much as either.
The only indication of my voting preference is that I distrust all the parties but having heard Farage, I like the way he speaks but would never vote Ukip.
What camp major means I have no idea. Is this an Australianism?
Of course people can have contrary views, but if they sound like rubbish, and on searching, have facts to show they are rubbish, surely that's the nub of a good debate?
You're right on this.
The bad medicine being dished up by the Tories is obviously working, unlike most of our more profligate European neighbours.
Unemployment fell for the 18th consecutive quarter, roughly coinciding, with when the Coalition took control. Amazing coincidence.
Wage rises have increased above the cost of living. 1.3% v 1.2%.
Wages are forecast to continue to rise, with inflation expected to slip below 1%.
At last. The voice of reason.
Blame it on the rich...
Boo the hard working entrepreneurial people in this country who graft enough to put themselves at the top table (and contribute a small fortune in income tax and NI)
It always amazes me how anyone on the red side of politics can defend labour on their economic policies, they have got it wrong for the last 50 years and it's like me getting in an argument with a Real Madrid fan over who supports the biggest club
By charging them 9 grand a year?
Huge increase in apprenticeships though