Keep reading it on here that "we are a basket case" but I just can't see it myself. We're not skint. We're not in a relegation place. We are spending money on infrastructure. We have a bright highly regarded young coach. We have plans afoot for a very top end academy setup.
All within the first full year of a new owners stewardship in which there was a lot if clearing up to do.
As a Charlton supporter my only concern is that we have a thin, unbalanced squad which needs addressing. I did read somewhere that the clubs target for this season was consolidation. In my opinion that is being met.
I agree there are very big question marks over Mr. Duchatelet's network experiment but I do know that it's not an impossible scenario and that it might come good. It's surely better than the craziness that seems to be engulfing other football clubs. Bournemouth happy to lose £16 million FFS !!!! There are the basket cases.
I think we are being far too impatient and again in my opinion acting like a bunch of spoilt brats.
So. 24 hours, and 324 comments later, and the only media report not actually sourced from this thread is the single Israeli website, whose first sentence ends with a question mark.
How much longer before this thread is put down, or at least the title modified to stop causing unnecessary distress to Bob Peeters?; who is, despite his sometimes terrifying demeanour, a human being, who probably finds it uncomfortable to work while people are muttering that he no longer has work.
Come on Prague - that is a bit dramatic. What is Bobs username on here again?
And what about those poor customs officials seeing their work questioned on a previous thread of yours?
One thing that you have to understand with RD is that he does not really like to make mistakes. Sometimes he is totally stuborn (keeping Luzon so long this season in Liège was a total mistake). I wouldn't be astonished if Luzon becomes Charlton manager as it would be a way for RD to prove that he was right about Luzon.
When Luzon was brought in Liège, it was to replace an old glory of Standard which RD was almost forced to hire due to the pressure of the supporters. So at the end of the season, RD replaced him (Mircea Rednic) by Luzon (that no one known) giving a comment : "Il faut faire des changements, années après années, afin de s'améliorer. C'est le système japonais." (You need to make changes years after years to improve. That's the japanese system."
Now for Charlton fans the question is "Did RD really wanted Bob Peeters or was he only a second choice?". If he was a second choice, I think that you will soon meet the horrible Guy.
One thing that you have to understand with RD is that he does not really like to make mistakes. Sometimes he is totally stuborn (keeping Luzon so long this season in Liège was a total mistake). I wouldn't be astonished if Luzon becomes Charlton manager as it would be a way for RD to prove that he was right about Luzon.
When Luzon was brought in Liège, it was to replace an old glory of Standard which RD was almost forced to hire due to the pressure of the supporters. So at the end of the season, RD replaced him (Mircea Rednic) by Luzon (that no one known) giving a comment : "Il faut faire des changements, années après années, afin de s'améliorer. C'est le système japonais." (You need to make changes years after years to improve. That's the japanese system."
Now for Charlton fans the question is "Did RD really wanted Bob Peeters or was he only a second choice?". If he was a second choice, I think that you will soon meet the horrible Guy.
Please stop scaring people with this Luzon-crap. Luzon will never go to an English club and there's not even a hint made by RD that he's tired of BP. RD will sooner sell Standard then replace BP !
One thing that you have to understand with RD is that he does not really like to make mistakes. Sometimes he is totally stuborn (keeping Luzon so long this season in Liège was a total mistake). I wouldn't be astonished if Luzon becomes Charlton manager as it would be a way for RD to prove that he was right about Luzon.
When Luzon was brought in Liège, it was to replace an old glory of Standard which RD was almost forced to hire due to the pressure of the supporters. So at the end of the season, RD replaced him (Mircea Rednic) by Luzon (that no one known) giving a comment : "Il faut faire des changements, années après années, afin de s'améliorer. C'est le système japonais." (You need to make changes years after years to improve. That's the japanese system."
Now for Charlton fans the question is "Did RD really wanted Bob Peeters or was he only a second choice?". If he was a second choice, I think that you will soon meet the horrible Guy.
I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with that if the club has an overall philosophy that it wants to develop and evolve over time. Do we have that? I doubt it. On a different level to us, but look at how Bayern Munich have gone from Van Gaal, to Heynckes to Guardiola - three permanent head coaches in four years. All top coaches but none of them intended, or intend, in Guardiola's case, to be there long-term. It's about continually developing the team, players and style of football played throughout the club. That's clearly not happening at Charlton, but it should be.
Please stop scaring people with this Luzon-crap. Luzon will never go to an English club and there's not even a hint made by RD that he's tired of BP. RD will sooner sell Standard then replace BP !
Sorry, wasn't my intention to scare anyone. Just wanted to give my thoughts
As @ShootersHillGuru posted, a lot has been delivered within the first 12 months of ownership so why would anyone think progress will stop now?!
Some throw their toys out of the pram demanding sight of business plans and the like... One particular individual likes to question the competence of the board and executives at every available opportunity. Even after 12 months of improvement on and off the field they can't possibly know what they're doing!
The quote above suggests continuous improvement and non stop change - year after year after year. It suggests to me that we need only limp through to the summer and there will then be another uplift in the squad, another step change.
As regards Peeters there are only two possible outcomes this window - he is backed or he is sacked. Therefore I will go to the Brighton game expecting to watch a mid-table game but in the full knowledge that Peeters needs to deliver a performance and a result.
I know of no other club where a minority celebrate failure as much as with us! Wallowing in martyrdom and victimhood. The reality is that we have players coming back into contention and Peeters needs to show he can coach a team in the same way he did in August and September. For sure he's under pressure but he needs to utilise that pressure to galvanise the squad.
If he can't, week after week then he is not much use to CAFC I'm afraid. But if he can turn it around, secure a win then we can look forward to the Watford game. So rather than worry about his fate (which none of us can influence) why not go and enjoy the game on Saturday knowing that a win will get this monkey off our back... Even if it does reignite the dreaded hope of a play-off place!
You know what - I'd much rather the pressure was on the head coach and not on the whole club finances because the board were skint and the previous managers had burnt all the spare cash! What the critics fail to recognise is that not only did we land and finance the signings of Vetokele, Gudmundsson, Bikey and Ben Haim last summer but that it is entirely plausible that the exercise is repeated next summer.
For sure a few network players will come and go but this really isn't the main headline to date. No, the squad is the youngest in the division and mostly on long term deals. Those not in favour are shipped out and there is a proven scouting system which can easily fill the gaps by the time we kick off in August.
It's continuous improvement alright, which is why the club spent £500k restructuring the management team last summer. I look forwards to the second year of this new era, starting Saturday.
I admire your positivity SR, but I can't be as positive as you. This is a results business and just like Powell's bad run last Season, we are having a similar run under Peeters. Yes we are mid table now but we have only won six all season. If we continue that form we will be struggling to avoid relegation. It doesn't matter, at the moment, what happens in the Summer. We need some investment NOW, to steer us away from the relegation zone. We have serious problems in the team, we can't score, our midfield is seriously lacking creativity and the defence has in the last few games become porous.
If, and it's a big if, this rumour is true, then it would be four managers in just one year's time - that doesn't sound like Charlton does it? RD has a history of sacking managers so I'm sure many of us were wary of it even when he just took over the club. However, if sacking the manager really IS his habit and his only answer to all the difficulties a thin squad is facing, then I'm worried. BP may not be the one to turn things around but how are we supposed to believe this Guy Luzon is? We played some very good passing football earlier this season (I've had the pleasure of watching us on TV a few times) and I'm sure many fans thought we were just one or two players short of play-off contenders. Although I mentioned BP being an outspoken manager in the post-match thread and I'm not 100% sure if he's the one to take us to the next level, or more realistically, the one to keep us in mid-table, I would still much prefer to see a few quality players come in this month rather than see BP get the sack and we're left with the same (perhaps depleted) squad and an ex-SL coach who already has a bad reputation among SL fans.
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Just hope this is all nonsense though. What I most want to see is of course this bad run stops now and we start to get results.
We need some investment and we need Wiggins back asap plus our team playing to its strengths especially Vetokele. We could do with a top striker - purchased or on loan. I'm afraid to say I'm completely agnostic about Peeters fate - either he makes it or he doesn't. With all the departures in the first six months of Staprix ownership, M.Duchatelet strikes me as someone with the cold precision of an assassin. Only he knows what standards need to be achieved by the team and Peeters and that is as it should be.
I totally get the form thing, which is why Peeters has to turn it around or go. We all expected M.Duchatelet to bail out Powell when he arrived. He didn't and we stayed up under Riga. Therefore the only person who can save Peeters job is Peeters!
Alternatively one can state that since Peeters was selected by M.Duchatelet then he will back him this window. It all comes down to the same thing: back him or sack him.
I really hope BP stays. Yes we've had a slump, yes there are rumours of falling's out with some players. However he has done a good job overall. I'm very aware we need a result given one win in 12 or whatever, but he's earned a bit of time with the good start. I'm confident that if he's backed and we get a few players in, that will relieve the burden on the squad and inject a bit of positivity.
I think he also realises he needs to change his approach. I know it's a small example, but I felt we came out quite quickly against Blackburn. If anything we came out a bit too quickly and got caught with the goal.
We need that stability. BP will learn from the last few weeks and I think make the changes, but he needs players to do that. It was only natural of him to see that the defence was the strongest part of our game and try and soak up pressure. Unfortunately, too many of our attacking players have been found wanting in recent weeks and the defence could only do so much. Then if you factor in what Bikey said about fatigue etc, it makes sense why we have had this dip.
As a team, players like Vetokele (although the injury didn't help), Jackson, Buyens, Cousins etc haven't done their bit in the final third.
The attendance at the next home game will tell us how many fans can see continuous improvement taking place.
Agreed... And season ticket renewals in April will tell a bigger story. That's why it's a waste of time hanging about in the bottom half of the championship. That's why the club needs continuous improvement year after year after year.
I really hope BP stays. Yes we've had a slump, yes there are rumours of falling's out with some players. However he has done a good job overall. I'm very aware we need a result given one win in 12 or whatever, but he's earned a bit of time with the good start. I'm confident that if he's backed and we get a few players in, that will relieve the burden on the squad and inject a bit of positivity.
I think he also realises he needs to change his approach. I know it's a small example, but I felt we came out quite quickly against Blackburn. If anything we came out a bit too quickly and got caught with the goal.
We need that stability. BP will learn from the last few weeks and I think make the changes, but he needs players to do that. It was only natural of him to see that the defence was the strongest part of our game and try and soak up pressure. Unfortunately, too many of our attacking players have been found wanting in recent weeks and the defence could only do so much. Then if you factor in what Bikey said about fatigue etc, it makes sense why we have had this dip.
As a team, players like Vetokele (although the injury didn't help), Jackson, Buyens, Cousins etc haven't done their bit in the final third.
I understand fatigue will impact performances but it is the same for every club. Maybe Bob needs to review training.
So. 24 hours, and 324 comments later, and the only media report not actually sourced from this thread is the single Israeli website, whose first sentence ends with a question mark.
How much longer before this thread is put down, or at least the title modified to stop causing unnecessary distress to Bob Peeters?; who is, despite his sometimes terrifying demeanour, a human being, who probably finds it uncomfortable to work while people are muttering that he no longer has work.
Come on Prague - that is a bit dramatic. What is Bobs username on here again?
And what about those poor customs officials seeing their work questioned on a previous thread of yours?
You think he doesn't know this crap is going around? Cawley has already been used to try to stop it.
As for the Border police guy, well he wasn't identified was he, but funny enough, i went through Ebbsfleet again on the way back, and there he was...but I'll save that for the relevant thread
I'm astonished by the indepth knowledge and understanding of the atmosphere in the dressing room, the confidence or lack of it in BP among the players and the character and psychology of RD that has been revealed on this thread. Considering that 99.987% of us sit there pressing F5 every time there is a twatter rumour going around for the very reason that we have not a f****ng clue, I have to say I am impressed by the sudden access of insight.
I really hope BP stays. Yes we've had a slump, yes there are rumours of falling's out with some players. However he has done a good job overall. I'm very aware we need a result given one win in 12 or whatever, but he's earned a bit of time with the good start. I'm confident that if he's backed and we get a few players in, that will relieve the burden on the squad and inject a bit of positivity.
I think he also realises he needs to change his approach. I know it's a small example, but I felt we came out quite quickly against Blackburn. If anything we came out a bit too quickly and got caught with the goal.
We need that stability. BP will learn from the last few weeks and I think make the changes, but he needs players to do that. It was only natural of him to see that the defence was the strongest part of our game and try and soak up pressure. Unfortunately, too many of our attacking players have been found wanting in recent weeks and the defence could only do so much. Then if you factor in what Bikey said about fatigue etc, it makes sense why we have had this dip.
As a team, players like Vetokele (although the injury didn't help), Jackson, Buyens, Cousins etc haven't done their bit in the final third.
I understand fatigue will impact performances but it is the same for every club. Maybe Bob needs to review training.
True but BP can't rotate players as others can. So people play when unfit (Igor) or when needing a break.
We have also had to play two games with only 10 men which must be more tiring.
titled changed, due mainly for concern for Prague's blood pressure, and on behalf of the Jewish Press Association, we would like to apologise for any unnecessary distress to Bob Peeters (the human being)
I really hope BP stays. Yes we've had a slump, yes there are rumours of falling's out with some players. However he has done a good job overall. I'm very aware we need a result given one win in 12 or whatever, but he's earned a bit of time with the good start. I'm confident that if he's backed and we get a few players in, that will relieve the burden on the squad and inject a bit of positivity.
I think he also realises he needs to change his approach. I know it's a small example, but I felt we came out quite quickly against Blackburn. If anything we came out a bit too quickly and got caught with the goal.
We need that stability. BP will learn from the last few weeks and I think make the changes, but he needs players to do that. It was only natural of him to see that the defence was the strongest part of our game and try and soak up pressure. Unfortunately, too many of our attacking players have been found wanting in recent weeks and the defence could only do so much. Then if you factor in what Bikey said about fatigue etc, it makes sense why we have had this dip.
As a team, players like Vetokele (although the injury didn't help), Jackson, Buyens, Cousins etc haven't done their bit in the final third.
I understand fatigue will impact performances but it is the same for every club. Maybe Bob needs to review training.
True but BP can't rotate players as others can. So people play when unfit (Igor) or when needing a break.
We have also had to play two games with only 10 men which must be more tiring.
I really hope BP stays. Yes we've had a slump, yes there are rumours of falling's out with some players. However he has done a good job overall. I'm very aware we need a result given one win in 12 or whatever, but he's earned a bit of time with the good start. I'm confident that if he's backed and we get a few players in, that will relieve the burden on the squad and inject a bit of positivity.
I think he also realises he needs to change his approach. I know it's a small example, but I felt we came out quite quickly against Blackburn. If anything we came out a bit too quickly and got caught with the goal.
We need that stability. BP will learn from the last few weeks and I think make the changes, but he needs players to do that. It was only natural of him to see that the defence was the strongest part of our game and try and soak up pressure. Unfortunately, too many of our attacking players have been found wanting in recent weeks and the defence could only do so much. Then if you factor in what Bikey said about fatigue etc, it makes sense why we have had this dip.
As a team, players like Vetokele (although the injury didn't help), Jackson, Buyens, Cousins etc haven't done their bit in the final third.
I understand fatigue will impact performances but it is the same for every club. Maybe Bob needs to review training.
It isn't the same at every club ! All the other clubs have got bigger squads.
Jeez, we have one decent, injured striker, who has been playing with the injury for months !
We didn't need a subs bench against Blackburn. We needed a creche.
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All within the first full year of a new owners stewardship in which there was a lot if clearing up to do.
As a Charlton supporter my only concern is that we have a thin, unbalanced squad which needs addressing. I did read somewhere that the clubs target for this season was consolidation. In my opinion that is being met.
I agree there are very big question marks over Mr. Duchatelet's network experiment but I do know that it's not an impossible scenario and that it might come good. It's surely better than the craziness that seems to be engulfing other football clubs. Bournemouth happy to lose £16 million FFS !!!! There are the basket cases.
I think we are being far too impatient and again in my opinion acting like a bunch of spoilt brats.
What is Bobs username on here again?
And what about those poor customs officials seeing their work questioned on a previous thread of yours?
I wouldn't be astonished if Luzon becomes Charlton manager as it would be a way for RD to prove that he was right about Luzon.
When Luzon was brought in Liège, it was to replace an old glory of Standard which RD was almost forced to hire due to the pressure of the supporters. So at the end of the season, RD replaced him (Mircea Rednic) by Luzon (that no one known) giving a comment :
"Il faut faire des changements, années après années, afin de s'améliorer. C'est le système japonais." (You need to make changes years after years to improve. That's the japanese system."
Now for Charlton fans the question is "Did RD really wanted Bob Peeters or was he only a second choice?". If he was a second choice, I think that you will soon meet the horrible Guy.
As @ShootersHillGuru posted, a lot has been delivered within the first 12 months of ownership so why would anyone think progress will stop now?!
Some throw their toys out of the pram demanding sight of business plans and the like... One particular individual likes to question the competence of the board and executives at every available opportunity. Even after 12 months of improvement on and off the field they can't possibly know what they're doing!
The quote above suggests continuous improvement and non stop change - year after year after year. It suggests to me that we need only limp through to the summer and there will then be another uplift in the squad, another step change.
As regards Peeters there are only two possible outcomes this window - he is backed or he is sacked. Therefore I will go to the Brighton game expecting to watch a mid-table game but in the full knowledge that Peeters needs to deliver a performance and a result.
I know of no other club where a minority celebrate failure as much as with us! Wallowing in martyrdom and victimhood. The reality is that we have players coming back into contention and Peeters needs to show he can coach a team in the same way he did in August and September. For sure he's under pressure but he needs to utilise that pressure to galvanise the squad.
If he can't, week after week then he is not much use to CAFC I'm afraid. But if he can turn it around, secure a win then we can look forward to the Watford game. So rather than worry about his fate (which none of us can influence) why not go and enjoy the game on Saturday knowing that a win will get this monkey off our back... Even if it does reignite the dreaded hope of a play-off place!
You know what - I'd much rather the pressure was on the head coach and not on the whole club finances because the board were skint and the previous managers had burnt all the spare cash! What the critics fail to recognise is that not only did we land and finance the signings of Vetokele, Gudmundsson, Bikey and Ben Haim last summer but that it is entirely plausible that the exercise is repeated next summer.
For sure a few network players will come and go but this really isn't the main headline to date. No, the squad is the youngest in the division and mostly on long term deals. Those not in favour are shipped out and there is a proven scouting system which can easily fill the gaps by the time we kick off in August.
It's continuous improvement alright, which is why the club spent £500k restructuring the management team last summer. I look forwards to the second year of this new era, starting Saturday.
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Just hope this is all nonsense though. What I most want to see is of course this bad run stops now and we start to get results.
I'm afraid to say I'm completely agnostic about Peeters fate - either he makes it or he doesn't. With all the departures in the first six months of Staprix ownership, M.Duchatelet strikes me as someone with the cold precision of an assassin. Only he knows what standards need to be achieved by the team and Peeters and that is as it should be.
I totally get the form thing, which is why Peeters has to turn it around or go. We all expected M.Duchatelet to bail out Powell when he arrived. He didn't and we stayed up under Riga. Therefore the only person who can save Peeters job is Peeters!
Alternatively one can state that since Peeters was selected by M.Duchatelet then he will back him this window. It all comes down to the same thing: back him or sack him.
I think he also realises he needs to change his approach. I know it's a small example, but I felt we came out quite quickly against Blackburn. If anything we came out a bit too quickly and got caught with the goal.
We need that stability. BP will learn from the last few weeks and I think make the changes, but he needs players to do that. It was only natural of him to see that the defence was the strongest part of our game and try and soak up pressure. Unfortunately, too many of our attacking players have been found wanting in recent weeks and the defence could only do so much. Then if you factor in what Bikey said about fatigue etc, it makes sense why we have had this dip.
As a team, players like Vetokele (although the injury didn't help), Jackson, Buyens, Cousins etc haven't done their bit in the final third.
As for the Border police guy, well he wasn't identified was he, but funny enough, i went through Ebbsfleet again on the way back, and there he was...but I'll save that for the relevant thread
But that told Richard Cawley that there was no truth in it which is a close as we are going to get.
We have also had to play two games with only 10 men which must be more tiring.
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Jeez, we have one decent, injured striker, who has been playing with the injury for months !
We didn't need a subs bench against Blackburn. We needed a creche.