If you are going to sack a manager then logically you do it before the transfer window shuts, not such an issue for our model or Forest who have an embargo?, but I assume Holloway is in charge of transfer policy, so you wouldn't want him making your January signings for another manager!
1) Kavanagh and Airman Brown costs should have been booked a long time ago and carried as an accrual in the accounts until paid out 2) Hart, Bradshaw and Catering definitely a big change, whatever the individual costs.
We don't know the precise make up of the 500k but it's a one off and we have a different structure. More importantly we don't know what influence Luzon and Fraeye have over squad policy which doesn't sit right.
Back to the original topic, I sense that if Peeters can deliver a decent performance against Brighton with Solly, Watt and Vetokele added to last Saturday's squad, then his odds will go out again.
Pearce can't bring anyone in and has a far more expensive squad at his disposal - losing to Rochdale and falling out of the top six looks pretty terminal to me!
1) Kavanagh and Airman Brown costs should have been booked a long time ago and carried as an accrual in the accounts until paid out 2) Hart, Bradshaw and Catering definitely a big change, whatever the individual costs.
We don't know the precise make up of the 500k but it's a one off and we have a different structure. More importantly we don't know what influence Luzon and Fraeye have over squad policy which doesn't sit right.
Back to the original topic, I sense that if Peeters can deliver a decent performance against Brighton with Solly, Watt and Vetokele added to last Saturday's squad, then his odds will go out again.
Pearce can't bring anyone in and has a far more expensive squad at his disposal - losing to Rochdale and falling out of the top six looks pretty terminal to me!
1) I know a bit about that because there was some info about the Kavanagh case cost in the 2013 leaked document. Let's just say they were presenting it at a fraction of the likely actual cost, so I don't know how it could have been represented as a greater sum as an accrual in the 2012/13 accounts, which after all were the basis of the document.
2) You still haven't explained how Bradshaw and catering can be in the £500k, you just repeat it as if it's fact. Why would the club pay off someone who wasn't entitled to redundancy and we both know was not well regarded. In any event, his salary was a fraction of that of Hart and Prothero, and any pay-off - say in lieu of extended notice - would be a function of that. It's trivial.
It's not exactly a false rumour, is it? A rumour is something up in the air, this is up in the air....
Who put it up in the air?
Nobody of any importance or knowledge whatsoever.
Take a look at RD's past into sacking managers, look at our past few months of football results, add 1 + 1 and I think even without real substance the rumour could be correct. Just because he's tied down to a contract it means nothing, it's cheaper for RD to gamble & swap managers and try get the results than spend actual money on players.
Just because you don't want it to be true, doesn't mean it may be.. you'll never be able to track the rumour back to it's original source.
We know the original source. It's an Israeli website. It suggests that Luzon is replacing Peeters. However it is so unsure of itself that the first sentence introducing the idea is a question mark. No other respected media site anywhere in Europe has run the story. Desert red, who whacked it up here, has the opinion that the website got it from Luzon "people" but he hasn't explained why he thinks it. It could just as easily be an excitable teenager. And I would remind you that just a couple of months ago when we were doing well a "rumour" surfaced that Luzon would be fired from Standard and replaced by Peeters. That too was totally without foundation. That is why I am confident that this "rumour" is a load of bollocks.
You can say that RD has seemed a bit trigger-happy. That does not make the rumour that started this thread any more credible.
An Israeli website posting an article does not make them the source, you should know that... most newspapers/news article sites get tip offs for this sort of thing, websites rarely make up rumours, maybe they did, but that's not a fact that they themselves made it up, as we have no proof.
It's clear to see he hasn't already been sacked but he may well be hanging on for dear life with a game or two to decide that, we don't know.
Websites rarely make up rumours?
A website which (mis) uses the BBC phrase "has learnt that..." but precedes it with a question about whether what they have "learnt" is actually verifiable, is not professional journalism, at least not to the standards of the BBC, which unfortunately fewer and fewer people seem to appreciate.
Professional journalism and the source of a rumour are different matters though, not that it matters, some people may think it's a rumour some not. He's not going anywhere this week I know that much, and that's from a good source not an Israeli website which I took with a pinch of salt (as all rumours) but still don't dismiss, as they may have got it from a good friend of Guy Luzon's, we're not to know where they pulled it out from, a good source or their arses.
It's not exactly a false rumour, is it? A rumour is something up in the air, this is up in the air....
Who put it up in the air?
Nobody of any importance or knowledge whatsoever.
Take a look at RD's past into sacking managers, look at our past few months of football results, add 1 + 1 and I think even without real substance the rumour could be correct. Just because he's tied down to a contract it means nothing, it's cheaper for RD to gamble & swap managers and try get the results than spend actual money on players.
Just because you don't want it to be true, doesn't mean it may be.. you'll never be able to track the rumour back to it's original source.
We know the original source. It's an Israeli website. It suggests that Luzon is replacing Peeters. However it is so unsure of itself that the first sentence introducing the idea is a question mark. No other respected media site anywhere in Europe has run the story. Desert red, who whacked it up here, has the opinion that the website got it from Luzon "people" but he hasn't explained why he thinks it. It could just as easily be an excitable teenager. And I would remind you that just a couple of months ago when we were doing well a "rumour" surfaced that Luzon would be fired from Standard and replaced by Peeters. That too was totally without foundation. That is why I am confident that this "rumour" is a load of bollocks.
You can say that RD has seemed a bit trigger-happy. That does not make the rumour that started this thread any more credible.
An Israeli website posting an article does not make them the source, you should know that... most newspapers/news article sites get tip offs for this sort of thing, websites rarely make up rumours, maybe they did, but that's not a fact that they themselves made it up, as we have no proof.
It's clear to see he hasn't already been sacked but he may well be hanging on for dear life with a game or two to decide that, we don't know.
Websites rarely make up rumours?
A website which (mis) uses the BBC phrase "has learnt that..." but precedes it with a question about whether what they have "learnt" is actually verifiable, is not professional journalism, at least not to the standards of the BBC, which unfortunately fewer and fewer people seem to appreciate.
I think it easy enough to see a situation where this story might have developed through a Chinese whisper rather than out and out fabrication.
Think back to Powell's sacking - Riga was put in place PDQ and too fast for him to have only been contacted after Powell had gone. I suspect in that instance Roly knew he was considering giving Powell the heave-ho and made some discrete enquiries with Riga to line him up as a possible replacement.
Personally I think it would be premature to sack Peeters, but if the rumours of dressing room busts ups are true, coupled with the recent nose diving form I don't think you could call Roland unreasonable for considering it, so maybe he's been on the blower to Luzon to sound him out. This Israeli website gets wind of that through Luzon's 'people' (is he really a big enough fish to have 'people'?) and this report results. That could be because the website was led to believe by its source that the deal was going to happen (which might be exaggeration on the part of the source), or because the website itself decided to spice it up a bit.
Maybe not totally admirable journalism, but hardly anything Fleet St isn't guilty of on a regular basis, particular when speculating on football transfers.
Peters has not proved himself yet, but I still do not want go see yet another change of manager.
Pehaps it is time for us to show him support as we did when we thought SCP was going to be sacked.
We went 1 down and the singing got louder. We went 2 down and the singing got even louder. We won the game.
We need to be more up for it than any player Saturday. A win will end the run and change the mood. Having a grizzle on here is one thing, but they will need us to give them a lift, lose the tiredness, and win a game.
Our team did us proud first half of the season. They need a little help now.
1) Kavanagh and Airman Brown costs should have been booked a long time ago and carried as an accrual in the accounts until paid out 2) Hart, Bradshaw and Catering definitely a big change, whatever the individual costs.
We don't know the precise make up of the 500k but it's a one off and we have a different structure. More importantly we don't know what influence Luzon and Fraeye have over squad policy which doesn't sit right.
Back to the original topic, I sense that if Peeters can deliver a decent performance against Brighton with Solly, Watt and Vetokele added to last Saturday's squad, then his odds will go out again.
Pearce can't bring anyone in and has a far more expensive squad at his disposal - losing to Rochdale and falling out of the top six looks pretty terminal to me!
1) I know a bit about that because there was some info about the Kavanagh case cost in the 2013 leaked document. Let's just say they were presenting it at a fraction of the likely actual cost, so I don't know how it could have been represented as a greater sum as an accrual in the 2012/13 accounts, which after all were the basis of the document.
2) You still haven't explained how Bradshaw and catering can be in the £500k, you just repeat it as if it's fact. Why would the club pay off someone who wasn't entitled to redundancy and we both know was not well regarded. In any event, his salary was a fraction of that of Hart and Prothero, and any pay-off - say in lieu of extended notice - would be a function of that. It's trivial.
You two are like the Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier of CL. This rivalry plays out on the canvas of this thread. Each going blow to blow.......
Peters has not proved himself yet, but I still do not want go see yet another change of manager.
Pehaps it is time for us to show him support as we did when we thought SCP was going to be sacked.
We went 1 down and the singing got louder. We went 2 down and the singing got even louder. We won the game.
We need to be more up for it than any player Saturday. A win will end the run and change the mood. Having a grizzle on here is one thing, but they will need us to give them a lift, lose the tiredness, and win a game.
Our team did us proud first half of the season. They need a little help now.
It's not exactly a false rumour, is it? A rumour is something up in the air, this is up in the air....
Who put it up in the air?
Nobody of any importance or knowledge whatsoever.
Take a look at RD's past into sacking managers, look at our past few months of football results, add 1 + 1 and I think even without real substance the rumour could be correct. Just because he's tied down to a contract it means nothing, it's cheaper for RD to gamble & swap managers and try get the results than spend actual money on players.
Just because you don't want it to be true, doesn't mean it may be.. you'll never be able to track the rumour back to it's original source.
We know the original source. It's an Israeli website. It suggests that Luzon is replacing Peeters. However it is so unsure of itself that the first sentence introducing the idea is a question mark. No other respected media site anywhere in Europe has run the story. Desert red, who whacked it up here, has the opinion that the website got it from Luzon "people" but he hasn't explained why he thinks it. It could just as easily be an excitable teenager. And I would remind you that just a couple of months ago when we were doing well a "rumour" surfaced that Luzon would be fired from Standard and replaced by Peeters. That too was totally without foundation. That is why I am confident that this "rumour" is a load of bollocks.
You can say that RD has seemed a bit trigger-happy. That does not make the rumour that started this thread any more credible.
An Israeli website posting an article does not make them the source, you should know that... most newspapers/news article sites get tip offs for this sort of thing, websites rarely make up rumours, maybe they did, but that's not a fact that they themselves made it up, as we have no proof.
It's clear to see he hasn't already been sacked but he may well be hanging on for dear life with a game or two to decide that, we don't know.
Websites rarely make up rumours?
A website which (mis) uses the BBC phrase "has learnt that..." but precedes it with a question about whether what they have "learnt" is actually verifiable, is not professional journalism, at least not to the standards of the BBC, which unfortunately fewer and fewer people seem to appreciate.
I think it easy enough to see a situation where this story might have developed through a Chinese whisper rather than out and out fabrication.
Think back to Powell's sacking - Riga was put in place PDQ and too fast for him to have only been contacted after Powell had gone. I suspect in that instance Roly knew he was considering giving Powell the heave-ho and made some discrete enquiries with Riga to line him up as a possible replacement.
Personally I think it would be premature to sack Peeters, but if the rumours of dressing room busts ups are true, coupled with the recent nose diving form I don't think you could call Roland unreasonable for considering it, so maybe he's been on the blower to Luzon to sound him out. This Israeli website gets wind of that through Luzon's 'people' (is he really a big enough fish to have 'people'?) and this report results. That could be because the website was led to believe by its source that the deal was going to happen (which might be exaggeration on the part of the source), or because the website itself decided to spice it up a bit.
Maybe not totally admirable journalism, but hardly anything Fleet St isn't guilty of on a regular basis, particular when speculating on football transfers.
That's a plausible scenario. However to be true, it means that Luzon or his "people" (indeed why on earth does he need "people", when he remains on RD's payroll?) are complete idiots. Just as if the Karel Fraeye bell tolling comment meant what that Ketts bloke implied, he's a complete idiot too. That's two highly paid professionals going round gobbing off that they have got Bob Peeters' job, when all they have to do is keep their gobs shut for another few days. And indeed, not keeping their gobs shut could well be a terminal mistake. And if I was Guy Luzon after his mixed performance in Liege, I wouldn't test RD's patience too much.
Sorry. It's over 36 hours now, and no remotely reputable media source has run the story. Not counting Belgian websites whose source is Charlton Life. What a world....
1) Kavanagh and Airman Brown costs should have been booked a long time ago and carried as an accrual in the accounts until paid out 2) Hart, Bradshaw and Catering definitely a big change, whatever the individual costs.
We don't know the precise make up of the 500k but it's a one off and we have a different structure. More importantly we don't know what influence Luzon and Fraeye have over squad policy which doesn't sit right.
Back to the original topic, I sense that if Peeters can deliver a decent performance against Brighton with Solly, Watt and Vetokele added to last Saturday's squad, then his odds will go out again.
Pearce can't bring anyone in and has a far more expensive squad at his disposal - losing to Rochdale and falling out of the top six looks pretty terminal to me!
1) I know a bit about that because there was some info about the Kavanagh case cost in the 2013 leaked document. Let's just say they were presenting it at a fraction of the likely actual cost, so I don't know how it could have been represented as a greater sum as an accrual in the 2012/13 accounts, which after all were the basis of the document.
2) You still haven't explained how Bradshaw and catering can be in the £500k, you just repeat it as if it's fact. Why would the club pay off someone who wasn't entitled to redundancy and we both know was not well regarded. In any event, his salary was a fraction of that of Hart and Prothero, and any pay-off - say in lieu of extended notice - would be a function of that. It's trivial.
You two are like the Muhammad Ali and Joe FrazierGeorge and Mildred of CL. This rivalry plays out on the canvas of this thread. Each going blow to blow.......
1) Kavanagh and Airman Brown costs should have been booked a long time ago and carried as an accrual in the accounts until paid out 2) Hart, Bradshaw and Catering definitely a big change, whatever the individual costs.
We don't know the precise make up of the 500k but it's a one off and we have a different structure. More importantly we don't know what influence Luzon and Fraeye have over squad policy which doesn't sit right.
Back to the original topic, I sense that if Peeters can deliver a decent performance against Brighton with Solly, Watt and Vetokele added to last Saturday's squad, then his odds will go out again.
Pearce can't bring anyone in and has a far more expensive squad at his disposal - losing to Rochdale and falling out of the top six looks pretty terminal to me!
1) I know a bit about that because there was some info about the Kavanagh case cost in the 2013 leaked document. Let's just say they were presenting it at a fraction of the likely actual cost, so I don't know how it could have been represented as a greater sum as an accrual in the 2012/13 accounts, which after all were the basis of the document.
2) You still haven't explained how Bradshaw and catering can be in the £500k, you just repeat it as if it's fact. Why would the club pay off someone who wasn't entitled to redundancy and we both know was not well regarded. In any event, his salary was a fraction of that of Hart and Prothero, and any pay-off - say in lieu of extended notice - would be a function of that. It's trivial.
You two are like the Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier of CL. This rivalry plays out on the canvas of this thread. Each going blow to blow.......
Ladies & Gentlemen you can never say never in the world of professional football but I think we all know the pillar of virtue Mr Luzon employs as his agent, do we not?
At best this story has all the hall marks of Mr Dudu Dahan putting out a story to promote the interests of his client in seeking an improved position within or without the Duchatelet network.
I doubt Mr Dahan ever misses an opportunity to exploit the challenges of others however short term to put his clients name in the media spotlight.
I would have thought the placement of stories by the self important Mr Dahan in the Israeli football media was an almost daily occurrence.
Pure conjecture of course but is this thread not based on entirely the same premise.
and my own, were settled under the previous regime, so not RD at all.
My apologies, you took someone else's money
I hate to break it to you, PL54, but the staff all get paid at Charlton, every month. As with any other employer, if Charlton break employment law they have to compensate the employee that they have cheated. That's what the tribunal system is there for. It's not Charlton's money, it's money they've cheated the employee out of by breaking the contact they entered into of their own volition. And the tribunal system enables the employee to get it back.
Just like Tony Jimenez got a large amount of money out of the London Borough of Southwark through the very same system, as it happens.
and my own, were settled under the previous regime, so not RD at all.
My apologies, you took someone else's money
I hate to break it to you, PL54, but the staff all get paid at Charlton, every month. As with any other employer, if Charlton break employment law they have to compensate the employee that they have cheated. That's what the tribunal system is there for. It's not Charlton's money, it's money they've cheated the employee out of by breaking the contact they entered into of their own volition. And the tribunal system enables the employee to get it back.
Just like Tony Jimenez got a large amount of money out of the London Borough of Southwark through the very same system, as it happens.
1) Kavanagh and Airman Brown costs should have been booked a long time ago and carried as an accrual in the accounts until paid out 2) Hart, Bradshaw and Catering definitely a big change, whatever the individual costs.
We don't know the precise make up of the 500k but it's a one off and we have a different structure. More importantly we don't know what influence Luzon and Fraeye have over squad policy which doesn't sit right.
Back to the original topic, I sense that if Peeters can deliver a decent performance against Brighton with Solly, Watt and Vetokele added to last Saturday's squad, then his odds will go out again.
Pearce can't bring anyone in and has a far more expensive squad at his disposal - losing to Rochdale and falling out of the top six looks pretty terminal to me!
1) I know a bit about that because there was some info about the Kavanagh case cost in the 2013 leaked document. Let's just say they were presenting it at a fraction of the likely actual cost, so I don't know how it could have been represented as a greater sum as an accrual in the 2012/13 accounts, which after all were the basis of the document.
2) You still haven't explained how Bradshaw and catering can be in the £500k, you just repeat it as if it's fact. Why would the club pay off someone who wasn't entitled to redundancy and we both know was not well regarded. In any event, his salary was a fraction of that of Hart and Prothero, and any pay-off - say in lieu of extended notice - would be a function of that. It's trivial.
You two are like the Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier of CL. This rivalry plays out on the canvas of this thread. Each going blow to blow.......
1) Kavanagh and Airman Brown costs should have been booked a long time ago and carried as an accrual in the accounts until paid out 2) Hart, Bradshaw and Catering definitely a big change, whatever the individual costs.
We don't know the precise make up of the 500k but it's a one off and we have a different structure. More importantly we don't know what influence Luzon and Fraeye have over squad policy which doesn't sit right.
Back to the original topic, I sense that if Peeters can deliver a decent performance against Brighton with Solly, Watt and Vetokele added to last Saturday's squad, then his odds will go out again.
Pearce can't bring anyone in and has a far more expensive squad at his disposal - losing to Rochdale and falling out of the top six looks pretty terminal to me!
1) I know a bit about that because there was some info about the Kavanagh case cost in the 2013 leaked document. Let's just say they were presenting it at a fraction of the likely actual cost, so I don't know how it could have been represented as a greater sum as an accrual in the 2012/13 accounts, which after all were the basis of the document.
2) You still haven't explained how Bradshaw and catering can be in the £500k, you just repeat it as if it's fact. Why would the club pay off someone who wasn't entitled to redundancy and we both know was not well regarded. In any event, his salary was a fraction of that of Hart and Prothero, and any pay-off - say in lieu of extended notice - would be a function of that. It's trivial.
You two are like the Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier of CL. This rivalry plays out on the canvas of this thread. Each going blow to blow.......
Mischievous or purposeful wording. Either way it's far from unequivocal what Cawley actually means.
It's just common sense. Cawley isn't going to make a definitive statement about things that might happen in the future, because he's not in any position to do so. So yes it's purposeful, but to protect himself from the madness of football clubs rather than because he knows what may happen down the line.
Id like to be the first on here to say thanks bob , it was good while it lasted!
got a funny feeling that it was more down to unrest in the side and the 'ruling by fear' (as posted on here somewhere) he was said to have been doing... just hope to god that Tony Watt hasn't come here 'cos hes old mate Guy is on his way too!
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2) Hart, Bradshaw and Catering definitely a big change, whatever the individual costs.
We don't know the precise make up of the 500k but it's a one off and we have a different structure. More importantly we don't know what influence Luzon and Fraeye have over squad policy which doesn't sit right.
Back to the original topic, I sense that if Peeters can deliver a decent performance against Brighton with Solly, Watt and Vetokele added to last Saturday's squad, then his odds will go out again.
Pearce can't bring anyone in and has a far more expensive squad at his disposal - losing to Rochdale and falling out of the top six looks pretty terminal to me!
2) You still haven't explained how Bradshaw and catering can be in the £500k, you just repeat it as if it's fact. Why would the club pay off someone who wasn't entitled to redundancy and we both know was not well regarded. In any event, his salary was a fraction of that of Hart and Prothero, and any pay-off - say in lieu of extended notice - would be a function of that. It's trivial.
Think back to Powell's sacking - Riga was put in place PDQ and too fast for him to have only been contacted after Powell had gone. I suspect in that instance Roly knew he was considering giving Powell the heave-ho and made some discrete enquiries with Riga to line him up as a possible replacement.
Personally I think it would be premature to sack Peeters, but if the rumours of dressing room busts ups are true, coupled with the recent nose diving form I don't think you could call Roland unreasonable for considering it, so maybe he's been on the blower to Luzon to sound him out. This Israeli website gets wind of that through Luzon's 'people' (is he really a big enough fish to have 'people'?) and this report results. That could be because the website was led to believe by its source that the deal was going to happen (which might be exaggeration on the part of the source), or because the website itself decided to spice it up a bit.
Maybe not totally admirable journalism, but hardly anything Fleet St isn't guilty of on a regular basis, particular when speculating on football transfers.
Pehaps it is time for us to show him support as we did when we thought SCP was going to be sacked.
We went 1 down and the singing got louder. We went 2 down and the singing got even louder. We won the game.
We need to be more up for it than any player Saturday. A win will end the run and change the mood. Having a grizzle on here is one thing, but they will need us to give them a lift, lose the tiredness, and win a game.
Our team did us proud first half of the season. They need a little help now.
And so does Bob.
How will it end?
Perhaps our early good form has raised expectations beyond what could realistically be expected.
Support the team and manager and we'll be fine.
Mid table come May would be an over achievement imho.
Sorry. It's over 36 hours now, and no remotely reputable media source has run the story. Not counting Belgian websites whose source is Charlton Life. What a world....
I think its pretty clear that Peeters is still our manager at the moment. I wouldn't rule out Luzon replacing him in the near future though.
Richard Cawley
@RichCawleySLP
Rumours that Bob Peeters has been sacked and will be replaced by Guy Luzon at #cafc are not correct.
At best this story has all the hall marks of Mr Dudu Dahan putting out a story to promote the interests of his client in seeking an improved position within or without the Duchatelet network.
I doubt Mr Dahan ever misses an opportunity to exploit the challenges of others however short term to put his clients name in the media spotlight.
I would have thought the placement of stories by the self important Mr Dahan in the Israeli football media was an almost daily occurrence.
Pure conjecture of course but is this thread not based on entirely the same premise.
My apologies, you took someone else's money
Just like Tony Jimenez got a large amount of money out of the London Borough of Southwark through the very same system, as it happens.
Mischievous or purposeful wording. Either way it's far from unequivocal what Cawley actually means.
Rumours that Bob Peeters has been sacked and will be replaced by Guy Luzon at #cafc are a load of bollocks.
But obviously he couldn't write that.
What else can he possibly mean? What wording would you use to make it "unequivocal"?
got a funny feeling that it was more down to unrest in the side and the 'ruling by fear' (as posted on here somewhere) he was said to have been doing... just hope to god that Tony Watt hasn't come here 'cos hes old mate Guy is on his way too!