Prauge - I don't have a link but spoke to some journalists there.
Ok. Did they indicate when they knew? I'm just curious as to who might have gobbed to your Israeli website last week, because if, as you said, it was Luzon or someone close to him, that's very poor, and I don't understand why Duchatelet would find it acceptable.
If you take English manager's how many get sacked one week only to be offered a contract at another club within days. That's the football way. There are only so many manager's to choose from, unless you go for a fans favorite, or a complete unknown, both of which are high risk. We will have a manager that has some experience that is for sure, but will it be someone that RD has experience with......very likely! Let's hope whoever comes in from the Duchatelet back catalogue, gets some advisers that are knowledgeable about Championship football.
Bob was so heavily reliant on Damian Matthews as I posted as he was appointed, had RD of sacked him things would have got messy.. he's the only person with real knowledge of the league coaching wise left at our club, Bob had none. Playing in it 10 years ago doesn't count for shit..
Forget the manager out threads and calls, it's the owner we want out sooner rather than later..
Assuming Guy Luzon comes in, his statistics are pretty good if we take his spell at standard liege his winning percentage was 48.61%
Compare this to some of the managers we've had here for their spell with us chris Powell 40.99 % Alan Curbishley 38.52% Parky 38.6% RIGA 43.7% Pardew 31.1%
Assuming Guy Luzon comes in, his statistics are pretty good if we take his spell at standard liege his winning percentage was 48.61%
Compare this to some of the managers we've had here for their spell with us chris Powell 40.99 % Alan Curbishley 38.52% Parky 38.6% RIGA 43.7% Pardew 31.1%
But this has to take into account the relative strength and positions of the teams. Standard are at least the third strongest club in Belgium. Big resource gap between them and most of the rest. The previous coach had got them into the Europa League.
Well a week is a long time in the world of Roland Duchatelet, it seems.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Luzon take over now. Or Fraeye (but I doubt both, in which case at least one rumour was bollocks).
I would have no confidence whatsoever that either of them will do a better job than Peeters with this squad.
But let's see. On reflection I'd have thought that if the rumour about Luzon was true, they'd announce it at the same time as Peeters departure. Why wait, if the replacement was already agreed a week ago?
For a number of reasons I don't agree.
I would have every confidence Luzon would do better. Not only did he take Liege to the top of the Jupiler league and have a crack at qualifying for the Champions League but I've just looked up the following: Buyens played 18 times under Luzon last season. Ben Haim and Bulot each played 38 times. Yes that's right, these three played more for Luzon in a winning Liege team last season than they have for Peeters!
Maybe it's Luzon in charge with Fraeye in the coaching set up? Fraeye in charge on his own is very high risk given his pedigree is weaker than Peeters. Luzon will have had since whenever he left Liege to watch us from afar, assess the squad and calculate what might be required to return us to winning ways. Including new signings.
If appointed he will be assisted by Wiggins gaining fitness and Henderson returning. But I'm most interested in what he makes of the front six. Remember this is a guy who has fronted up teams vs Bruges, Anderlect, Panathanaikos and Zenith St Petersburg last year while we were fighting relegation last season.
I now plan to make the trip to Watford to see this new era unfold but will withold judgement until after the Rotherham game. Just the same as I did when Riga replaced Powell while others rushed to condemn.
I think we will all be better informed after a couple of games as to whether our squad performs better under a new coach and I look forward to reading comments from Charlton fans who are far more articulate than I when it comes to describing the actual football.
Bob was so heavily reliant on Damian Matthews as I posted as he was appointed, had RD of sacked him things would have got messy.. he's the only person with real knowledge of the league coaching wise left at our club, Bob had none. Playing in it 10 years ago doesn't count for shit..
Forget the manager out threads and calls, it's the owner we want out sooner rather than later..
Time to appoint Matthews. Worked with all our youth players, knows the club, knows the league and would play good football. Ticks all of Duchatelet's boxes except for the Belgian passport.
Well a week is a long time in the world of Roland Duchatelet, it seems.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Luzon take over now. Or Fraeye (but I doubt both, in which case at least one rumour was bollocks).
I would have no confidence whatsoever that either of them will do a better job than Peeters with this squad.
But let's see. On reflection I'd have thought that if the rumour about Luzon was true, they'd announce it at the same time as Peeters departure. Why wait, if the replacement was already agreed a week ago?
For a number of reasons I don't agree.
I would have every confidence Luzon would do better. Not only did he take Liege to the top of the Jupiler league and have a crack at qualifying for the Champions League but I've just looked up the following: Buyens played 18 times under Luzon last season. Ben Haim and Bulot each played 38 times. Yes that's right, these three played more for Luzon in a winning Liege team last season than they have for Peeters!
I get a feeling you'd be positive if "M.Duchâtelet" appointed Bungle from Rainbow as manager.
Well a week is a long time in the world of Roland Duchatelet, it seems.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Luzon take over now. Or Fraeye (but I doubt both, in which case at least one rumour was bollocks).
I would have no confidence whatsoever that either of them will do a better job than Peeters with this squad.
But let's see. On reflection I'd have thought that if the rumour about Luzon was true, they'd announce it at the same time as Peeters departure. Why wait, if the replacement was already agreed a week ago?
For a number of reasons I don't agree.
I would have every confidence Luzon would do better. Not only did he take Liege to the top of the Jupiler league and have a crack at qualifying for the Champions League but I've just looked up the following: Buyens played 18 times under Luzon last season. Ben Haim and Bulot each played 38 times. Yes that's right, these three played more for Luzon in a winning Liege team last season than they have for Peeters!
I get a feeling you'd be positive if "M.Duchâtelet" appointed Bungle from Rainbow as manager.
Bungle is available as he didn't get through on The Voice on Saturday night.
Assuming Guy Luzon comes in, his statistics are pretty good if we take his spell at standard liege his winning percentage was 48.61%
Compare this to some of the managers we've had here for their spell with us chris Powell 40.99 % Alan Curbishley 38.52% Parky 38.6% RIGA 43.7% Pardew 31.1%
But this has to take into account the relative strength and positions of the teams. Standard are at least the third strongest club in Belgium. Big resource gap between them and most of the rest. The previous coach had got them into the Europa League.
You could also say that the majority of Powell's percentage probably came by having a well funded side in (typically terrible) Division Three.
The only ones that really apply at this level are the two Alans.
I give full credit to Powell for getting us promoted, but most of his wins were in League 1, and Curbs in the Premiership. You can't really compare beating Rochdale and Stevenage to Arsenal and Chelsea can you?
Assuming Guy Luzon comes in, his statistics are pretty good if we take his spell at standard liege his winning percentage was 48.61%
Compare this to some of the managers we've had here for their spell with us chris Powell 40.99 % Alan Curbishley 38.52% Parky 38.6% RIGA 43.7% Pardew 31.1%
But this has to take into account the relative strength and positions of the teams. Standard are at least the third strongest club in Belgium. Big resource gap between them and most of the rest. The previous coach had got them into the Europa League.
You could also say that the majority of Powell's percentage probably came by having a well funded side in (typically terrible) Division Three.
The only ones that really apply at this level are the two Alans.
My comment had nothing to do with Powell or any of the other Charlton managers. I'm talking about Luzon and whether his 48% is a good result.
Standard are broadly Man Utd's position in Belgium. Broadly, but for example their attendances are three times that of most of the bottom half of the league.
If van Gaal achieves 48% this season, will that be considered a success?
I give full credit to Powell for getting us promoted, but most of his wins were in League 1, and Curbs in the Premiership. You can't really compare beating Rochdale and Stevenage to Arsenal and Chelsea can you?
No. Curbs has my upmost respect and was a fantastic manager for us.
You said that CP was well funded and it is that I dispute.
I give full credit to Powell for getting us promoted, but most of his wins were in League 1, and Curbs in the Premiership. You can't really compare beating Rochdale and Stevenage to Arsenal and Chelsea can you?
No. Curbs has my upmost respect and was a fantastic manager for us.
You said that CP was well funded and it is that I dispute.
Powell had the rug pulled from under him by the previous owners and then RD hid the rug, however it was obvious where we were heading at the end of his tenure and he left at the right time.
Walla (big Israeli web site) is saying the Luzon is to meet RD in the next 24 hours. Riga and Fraeye are also candidates but Luzon who still works for DT is in the poll position.
Assuming Guy Luzon comes in, his statistics are pretty good if we take his spell at standard liege his winning percentage was 48.61%
Compare this to some of the managers we've had here for their spell with us chris Powell 40.99 % Alan Curbishley 38.52% Parky 38.6% RIGA 43.7% Pardew 31.1%
I will argue that using Alex Ferguson, David Moyes and LVG as arguments at MANURE:
AF 59.67 DM 52.94 LVG 47.83
Fergy had years to build a successful side. Moyes took over a very good team and fudged it. Van Gaal has much the same side as Moyes and is struggling to undo the mess Moyes made. --------------------
Now back to us:
Curbs left a good side IMO that Pards (Dowie, Reed etc) Fudged. Parky then had to undo the damage done by Pards and failed to really turn it round in any way without funding, Powell got investment and improved on Parky's reign considerably but looked very suspect last season. Riga was good in his time but hard to say if he was an improvement on Powell. Finally Bob has failed.
He has taken a load of players who looked decent in the first 2 months of the season and made them look dog shite and has the team in free fall.
Looking at Luzon managerial Win rate, I'd take him over most of this lot.
I give full credit to Powell for getting us promoted, but most of his wins were in League 1, and Curbs in the Premiership. You can't really compare beating Rochdale and Stevenage to Arsenal and Chelsea can you?
No. Curbs has my upmost respect and was a fantastic manager for us.
You said that CP was well funded and it is that I dispute.
It was East Terrace that said CP was well funded not me.
Assuming Guy Luzon comes in, his statistics are pretty good if we take his spell at standard liege his winning percentage was 48.61%
Compare this to some of the managers we've had here for their spell with us chris Powell 40.99 % Alan Curbishley 38.52% Parky 38.6% RIGA 43.7% Pardew 31.1%
Luzon's stats mean nothing. Luzon was operating in a league where his club had one of the highest budgets in the division, he was expected to do well. Clearly he didn't do well enough because not only was he moved out of the role when the team were languishing near the bottom, but the new guy has pulled them right back up the table. It's too late for the title this year probably, but he has managed to do what Luzon could not this season, which was get them into contention.
Riga's stats are also irrelevant because he didn't have long enough in the job. It's like using Trevor Brooking's West Ham's stats as a yardstick.
Mischievous or purposeful wording. Either way it's far from unequivocal what Cawley actually means.
Oh come on mate. What he really means is:
Rumours that Bob Peeters has been sacked and will be replaced by Guy Luzon at #cafc are a load of bollocks.
But obviously he couldn't write that.
What else can he possibly mean? What wording would you use to make it "unequivocal"?
Ahem !!!!
Ahem!!!!
First-Team Coach Damian Matthew and Goalkeeping Coach Ben Roberts have been placed in caretaker charge for the time being and will prepare the squad for Saturday’s game at Watford (3pm).
Mischievous or purposeful wording. Either way it's far from unequivocal what Cawley actually means.
Oh come on mate. What he really means is:
Rumours that Bob Peeters has been sacked and will be replaced by Guy Luzon at #cafc are a load of bollocks.
But obviously he couldn't write that.
What else can he possibly mean? What wording would you use to make it "unequivocal"?
Ahem !!!!
Ahem!!!!
First-Team Coach Damian Matthew and Goalkeeping Coach Ben Roberts have been placed in caretaker charge for the time being and will prepare the squad for Saturday’s game at Watford (3pm).
Mischievous or purposeful wording. Either way it's far from unequivocal what Cawley actually means.
Oh come on mate. What he really means is:
Rumours that Bob Peeters has been sacked and will be replaced by Guy Luzon at #cafc are a load of bollocks.
But obviously he couldn't write that.
What else can he possibly mean? What wording would you use to make it "unequivocal"?
Ahem !!!!
Ahem!!!!
First-Team Coach Damian Matthew and Goalkeeping Coach Ben Roberts have been placed in caretaker charge for the time being and will prepare the squad for Saturday’s game at Watford (3pm).
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However, he didn't "want to", but was forced to. IYKWIM.
Forget the manager out threads and calls, it's the owner we want out sooner rather than later..
Compare this to some of the managers we've had here for their spell with us chris Powell 40.99 %
Alan Curbishley 38.52%
Parky 38.6%
RIGA 43.7%
Pardew 31.1%
I would have every confidence Luzon would do better. Not only did he take Liege to the top of the Jupiler league and have a crack at qualifying for the Champions League but I've just looked up the following:
Buyens played 18 times under Luzon last season. Ben Haim and Bulot each played 38 times. Yes that's right, these three played more for Luzon in a winning Liege team last season than they have for Peeters!
Maybe it's Luzon in charge with Fraeye in the coaching set up? Fraeye in charge on his own is very high risk given his pedigree is weaker than Peeters. Luzon will have had since whenever he left Liege to watch us from afar, assess the squad and calculate what might be required to return us to winning ways. Including new signings.
If appointed he will be assisted by Wiggins gaining fitness and Henderson returning. But I'm most interested in what he makes of the front six. Remember this is a guy who has fronted up teams vs Bruges, Anderlect, Panathanaikos and Zenith St Petersburg last year while we were fighting relegation last season.
I now plan to make the trip to Watford to see this new era unfold but will withold judgement until after the Rotherham game. Just the same as I did when Riga replaced Powell while others rushed to condemn.
I think we will all be better informed after a couple of games as to whether our squad performs better under a new coach and I look forward to reading comments from Charlton fans who are far more articulate than I when it comes to describing the actual football.
The only ones that really apply at this level are the two Alans.
You could also say that the majority of Powell's percentage probably came by having a well funded side in (typically terrible) Division Three.
The only ones that really apply at this level are the two Alans.
Nothing like re-writing history to fit your views. Most CP signed were out of contract or free agents.
Now on the same points as us with a poor Huddersfield side. Give the bloke some credit!
Standard are broadly Man Utd's position in Belgium. Broadly, but for example their attendances are three times that of most of the bottom half of the league.
If van Gaal achieves 48% this season, will that be considered a success?
You said that CP was well funded and it is that I dispute.
http://sports.walla.co.il/item/2819047
I will argue that using Alex Ferguson, David Moyes and LVG as arguments at MANURE:
AF
59.67
DM
52.94
LVG
47.83
Fergy had years to build a successful side. Moyes took over a very good team and fudged it.
Van Gaal has much the same side as Moyes and is struggling to undo the mess Moyes made.
--------------------
Now back to us:
Curbs left a good side IMO that Pards (Dowie, Reed etc) Fudged.
Parky then had to undo the damage done by Pards and failed to really turn it round in any way without funding,
Powell got investment and improved on Parky's reign considerably but looked very suspect last season. Riga was good in his time but hard to say if he was an improvement on Powell.
Finally Bob has failed.
He has taken a load of players who looked decent in the first 2 months of the season and made them look dog shite and has the team in free fall.
Looking at Luzon managerial Win rate, I'd take him over most of this lot.
Riga's stats are also irrelevant because he didn't have long enough in the job. It's like using Trevor Brooking's West Ham's stats as a yardstick.
First-Team Coach Damian Matthew and Goalkeeping Coach Ben Roberts have been placed in caretaker charge for the time being and will prepare the squad for Saturday’s game at Watford (3pm).
No, where is it?
:-)