So you're saying no one should be allowed to practice their religion?
When it impacts my freedom to openly follow my atheist beliefs.............yes.
Practice it at home in the bedroom, same as sex. I don't want other peoples religions affecting my life, just as I don't want to know about their sexuality. IMO these two important aspects of ones life she be kept completely private. There would be far less friction in this world if this were the case.
Are you... comparing gay people to religious people here?
Ones a conscious choice, the other isn't.
And what that has to do with this horrible mess in Paris I don't know.
EastStand. I'm also not interested in people's sexuality unless it's a potential partner, because I'm much more interested in the person. I think this is roughly what QA was trying to say.
So you're saying no one should be allowed to practice their religion?
When it impacts my freedom to openly follow my atheist beliefs.............yes.
Practice it at home in the bedroom, same as sex. I don't want other peoples religions affecting my life, just as I don't want to know about their sexuality. IMO these two important aspects of ones life she be kept completely private. There would be far less friction in this world if this were the case.
Are you... comparing gay people to religious people here?
Ones a conscious choice, the other isn't.
And what that has to do with this horrible mess in Paris I don't know.
Bizarre comment to make.
Not at all. Heterosexual, homosexual any sexual. I'll put it another way, I don't want to know what someone does with regards to their sexuality, just as I don't want to know who they worship. Keep certain things private, that is my point and it's what I believe. Fine if you disagree.
So you're saying no one should be allowed to practice their religion?
When it impacts my freedom to openly follow my atheist beliefs.............yes.
Practice it at home in the bedroom, same as sex. I don't want other peoples religions affecting my life, just as I don't want to know about their sexuality. IMO these two important aspects of ones life she be kept completely private. There would be far less friction in this world if this were the case.
Are you... comparing gay people to religious people here?
Ones a conscious choice, the other isn't.
And what that has to do with this horrible mess in Paris I don't know.
Bizarre comment to make.
Not at all. Heterosexual, homosexual any sexual. I'll put it another way, I don't want to know what someone does with regards to their sexuality, just as I don't want to know who they worship. Keep certain things private, that is my point and it's what I believe. Fine if you disagree.
How exactly could one really keep their sexuality private ? If you're married or have a partner should you never mention them outside of your home ?
So you're saying no one should be allowed to practice their religion?
When it impacts my freedom to openly follow my atheist beliefs.............yes.
Practice it at home in the bedroom, same as sex. I don't want other peoples religions affecting my life, just as I don't want to know about their sexuality. IMO these two important aspects of ones life she be kept completely private. There would be far less friction in this world if this were the case.
Are you... comparing gay people to religious people here?
Ones a conscious choice, the other isn't.
And what that has to do with this horrible mess in Paris I don't know.
Bizarre comment to make.
Not at all. Heterosexual, homosexual any sexual. I'll put it another way, I don't want to know what someone does with regards to their sexuality, just as I don't want to know who they worship. Keep certain things private, that is my point and it's what I believe. Fine if you disagree.
How exactly could one really keep their sexuality private ? If you're married or have a partner should you never mention them outside of your home ?
So you're saying no one should be allowed to practice their religion?
When it impacts my freedom to openly follow my atheist beliefs.............yes.
Practice it at home in the bedroom, same as sex. I don't want other peoples religions affecting my life, just as I don't want to know about their sexuality. IMO these two important aspects of ones life she be kept completely private. There would be far less friction in this world if this were the case.
Are you... comparing gay people to religious people here?
Ones a conscious choice, the other isn't.
And what that has to do with this horrible mess in Paris I don't know.
Bizarre comment to make.
Not at all. Heterosexual, homosexual any sexual. I'll put it another way, I don't want to know what someone does with regards to their sexuality, just as I don't want to know who they worship. Keep certain things private, that is my point and it's what I believe. Fine if you disagree.
How exactly could one really keep their sexuality private ? If you're married or have a partner should you never mention them outside of your home ?
Well I'm certainly not going down this route because this thread will go way off track. I've stated what I think and if you or any other in the PC brigade want to try to paint me as being homophobic, racist or any of the usual accusations that you revert to, go for your lives!
So you're saying no one should be allowed to practice their religion?
When it impacts my freedom to openly follow my atheist beliefs.............yes.
Practice it at home in the bedroom, same as sex. I don't want other peoples religions affecting my life, just as I don't want to know about their sexuality. IMO these two important aspects of ones life she be kept completely private. There would be far less friction in this world if this were the case.
Are you... comparing gay people to religious people here?
Ones a conscious choice, the other isn't.
And what that has to do with this horrible mess in Paris I don't know.
Bizarre comment to make.
Not at all. Heterosexual, homosexual any sexual. I'll put it another way, I don't want to know what someone does with regards to their sexuality, just as I don't want to know who they worship. Keep certain things private, that is my point and it's what I believe. Fine if you disagree.
How exactly could one really keep their sexuality private ? If you're married or have a partner should you never mention them outside of your home ?
Well I'm certainly not going down this route because this thread will go way off track. I've stated what I think and if you or any other in the PC brigade want to try to paint me as being homophobic, racist or any of the usual accusations that you revert to, go for your lives!
Whilst I am classed as Christian, and wouldn't class myself as an atheist, I wouldn't say I am overly religious. I don't go to church every week but I got married in one and my son was christened in one (as the other will be).
I would be genuinely interested if any of the more serious atheists celebrated Christmas in any way?
I'm a Christian and to be honest the true meaning of Christmas in this country has mainly disappeared, it's essentially a secular celebration now and that's fair enough, it means that all religions & atheists can enjoy it too - Easter is far more important anyway.
I see where you're coming from, I much prefer a hot cross bun than a mince pie.
So you're saying no one should be allowed to practice their religion?
When it impacts my freedom to openly follow my atheist beliefs.............yes.
Practice it at home in the bedroom, same as sex. I don't want other peoples religions affecting my life, just as I don't want to know about their sexuality. IMO these two important aspects of ones life she be kept completely private. There would be far less friction in this world if this were the case.
Are you... comparing gay people to religious people here?
Ones a conscious choice, the other isn't.
And what that has to do with this horrible mess in Paris I don't know.
Bizarre comment to make.
Not at all. Heterosexual, homosexual any sexual. I'll put it another way, I don't want to know what someone does with regards to their sexuality, just as I don't want to know who they worship. Keep certain things private, that is my point and it's what I believe. Fine if you disagree.
How exactly could one really keep their sexuality private ? If you're married or have a partner should you never mention them outside of your home ?
Well I'm certainly not going down this route because this thread will go way off track. I've stated what I think and if you or any other in the PC brigade want to try to paint me as being homophobic, racist or any of the usual accusations that you revert to, go for your lives!
Wow - that was defensive !
I think he's just tired of trying to explain something very simple. Maybe I understood because I don't seek to be offended.
Would be nice if God would pass on to the NHS the medical tips needed to resurrect dead people.
No worries, we'll carry on losing everyone we love oh loving, compassionate lord.
And cause gross overpopulation?
He/she/it may not be compassionate but he/she/it isn't stupid.
He/she/it does NOT exist!
Prove it!
Prove that he/she/it does exist....
I struggle to understand how grown adults can be brainwashed into thinking there is some sort of god. It defies all scientific evidence (e.g. molecular biology has shown that we have evolved over millions of years and were not infact the spawn of Adam and Eve).
Coming back to life after being dead for a few days? Feeding 5000 people with a fish or two? Adam and eve? Etc etc do me a favour!
Who is to say that Science and 'God' don't actually work hand in hand but over the years have been broken apart and people have now decided they are completely different?
Anyone can make up stories but Religion can't prove God exists and Science can't prove he doesn't.
Who is to say that Science and 'God' don't actually work hand in hand but over the years have been broken apart and people have now decided they are completely different?
Anyone can make up stories but Religion can't prove God exists and Science can't prove he doesn't.
Science doesn't have to prove a negative. It's up to religion to prove it as it is them making the claim.
but we've moved a long way from Paris and this thread is already being shamelessly used for trolling by maybe, baby/Gilan Swift/Angelwings.
Would be nice if God would pass on to the NHS the medical tips needed to resurrect dead people.
No worries, we'll carry on losing everyone we love oh loving, compassionate lord.
And cause gross overpopulation?
He/she/it may not be compassionate but he/she/it isn't stupid.
He/she/it does NOT exist!
Prove it!
Prove that he/she/it does exist....
I struggle to understand how grown adults can be brainwashed into thinking there is some sort of god. It defies all scientific evidence (e.g. molecular biology has shown that we have evolved over millions of years and were not infact the spawn of Adam and Eve).
Coming back to life after being dead for a few days? Feeding 5000 people with a fish or two? Adam and eve? Etc etc do me a favour!
You are confusing all Christians with creationists (which is a thread of Christian theological thought).
I believe in God, I believe that Jesus lived and was His embodiment on earth.
I don’t however take the stories of the Bible literally, I see the Bible as a guide that uses stories that would have been interpretable to someone two thousand years ago. How could a book written in those days possibly talk about evolution if human beings didn’t understand this concept until the 1800’s ? It would have made no sense whatsoever in those times so they used stories that people could relate to. However thanks to science it is now demonstrable that evolution is an undisputable truth, that doesn’t disprove God – it simply disproves the Biblical story of creation as a literal depiction of the genesis of mankind.
I highly doubt that we will ever know the full truth however. I’m a protestant Christian but I’m sure there are many aspects of my beliefs that will be proven incorrect one day – I also believe in science however the history of science is essentially the history of people proving that what was once accepted as scientific fact is in fact incorrect, so it would be foolish for me to also think that modern day science is the complete truth.
Who is to say that Science and 'God' don't actually work hand in hand but over the years have been broken apart and people have now decided they are completely different?
Anyone can make up stories but Religion can't prove God exists and Science can't prove he doesn't.
Science doesn't have to prove a negative. It's up to religion to prove it as it is them making the claim.
but we've moved a long way from Paris and this thread is already being shamelessly used for trolling by maybe, baby/Gilan Swift/Angelwings.
Not only does science not have to prove a negative, it's actually impossible to do so.
As for the second paragraph, the proof is undeniable.
Would be nice if God would pass on to the NHS the medical tips needed to resurrect dead people.
No worries, we'll carry on losing everyone we love oh loving, compassionate lord.
And cause gross overpopulation?
He/she/it may not be compassionate but he/she/it isn't stupid.
He/she/it does NOT exist!
Prove it!
Prove that he/she/it does exist....
I struggle to understand how grown adults can be brainwashed into thinking there is some sort of god. It defies all scientific evidence (e.g. molecular biology has shown that we have evolved over millions of years and were not infact the spawn of Adam and Eve).
Coming back to life after being dead for a few days? Feeding 5000 people with a fish or two? Adam and eve? Etc etc do me a favour!
You are confusing all Christians with creationists (which is a thread of Christian theological thought).
I believe in God, I believe that Jesus lived and was His embodiment on earth.
I don’t however take the stories of the Bible literally, I see the Bible as a guide that uses stories that would have been interpretable to someone two thousand years ago. How could a book written in those days possibly talk about evolution if human beings didn’t understand this concept until the 1800’s ? It would have made no sense whatsoever in those times so they used stories that people could relate to. However thanks to science it is now demonstrable that evolution is an undisputable truth, that doesn’t disprove God – it simply disproves the Biblical story of creation as a literal depiction of the genesis of mankind.
I highly doubt that we will ever know the full truth however. I’m a protestant Christian but I’m sure there are many aspects of my beliefs that will be proven incorrect one day – I also believe in science however the history of science is essentially the history of people proving that what was once accepted as scientific fact is in fact incorrect, so it would be foolish for me to also think that modern day science is the complete truth.
Stories...exactly...
I personally feel that as more and more science proves many of the bibles (and other religious texts) innacurate, religious types use the "its a guide, not literal" etc...
But surely if it it isnt literal, then it puts the rest of the story into doubt?
If i was to write a landmark scientific paper, then as parts were shown not to be true, people would rightly question the integrity of the rest of the data/conclusions etc
Also, clearly only 1 religion (or no god/etc) can be true. Statistically, that makes religion even less plausable...
Who is to say that Science and 'God' don't actually work hand in hand but over the years have been broken apart and people have now decided they are completely different?
Anyone can make up stories but Religion can't prove God exists and Science can't prove he doesn't.
Science doesn't have to prove a negative. It's up to religion to prove it as it is them making the claim.
but we've moved a long way from Paris and this thread is already being shamelessly used for trolling by maybe, baby/Gilan Swift/Angelwings.
Would be nice if God would pass on to the NHS the medical tips needed to resurrect dead people.
No worries, we'll carry on losing everyone we love oh loving, compassionate lord.
And cause gross overpopulation?
He/she/it may not be compassionate but he/she/it isn't stupid.
He/she/it does NOT exist!
Prove it!
Prove that he/she/it does exist....
I struggle to understand how grown adults can be brainwashed into thinking there is some sort of god. It defies all scientific evidence (e.g. molecular biology has shown that we have evolved over millions of years and were not infact the spawn of Adam and Eve).
Coming back to life after being dead for a few days? Feeding 5000 people with a fish or two? Adam and eve? Etc etc do me a favour!
You are confusing all Christians with creationists (which is a thread of Christian theological thought).
I believe in God, I believe that Jesus lived and was His embodiment on earth.
I don’t however take the stories of the Bible literally, I see the Bible as a guide that uses stories that would have been interpretable to someone two thousand years ago. How could a book written in those days possibly talk about evolution if human beings didn’t understand this concept until the 1800’s ? It would have made no sense whatsoever in those times so they used stories that people could relate to. However thanks to science it is now demonstrable that evolution is an undisputable truth, that doesn’t disprove God – it simply disproves the Biblical story of creation as a literal depiction of the genesis of mankind.
I highly doubt that we will ever know the full truth however. I’m a protestant Christian but I’m sure there are many aspects of my beliefs that will be proven incorrect one day – I also believe in science however the history of science is essentially the history of people proving that what was once accepted as scientific fact is in fact incorrect, so it would be foolish for me to also think that modern day science is the complete truth.
Stories...exactly...
I personally feel that as more and more science proves many of the bibles (and other religious texts) innacurate, religious types use the "its a guide, not literal" etc...
But surely if it it isnt literal, then it puts the rest of the story into doubt?
If i was to write a landmark scientific paper, then as parts were shown not to be true, people would rightly question the integrity of the rest of the data/conclusions etc
Also, clearly only 1 religion (or no god/etc) can be true. Statistically, that makes religion even less plausable...
To be clearer - I don't believe pretty much anything in the Old Testement happened word for word as described in the Bible (some may be "based on a true story" and other are fabricated for the purposes explained above).
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Ones a conscious choice, the other isn't.
And what that has to do with this horrible mess in Paris I don't know.
Bizarre comment to make.
Remember innocent people died.
He/she/it may not be compassionate but he/she/it isn't stupid.
I struggle to understand how grown adults can be brainwashed into thinking there is some sort of god. It defies all scientific evidence (e.g. molecular biology has shown that we have evolved over millions of years and were not infact the spawn of Adam and Eve).
Coming back to life after being dead for a few days? Feeding 5000 people with a fish or two? Adam and eve? Etc etc do me a favour!
Anyone can make up stories but Religion can't prove God exists and Science can't prove he doesn't.
but we've moved a long way from Paris and this thread is already being shamelessly used for trolling by maybe, baby/Gilan Swift/Angelwings.
I believe in God, I believe that Jesus lived and was His embodiment on earth.
I don’t however take the stories of the Bible literally, I see the Bible as a guide that uses stories that would have been interpretable to someone two thousand years ago. How could a book written in those days possibly talk about evolution if human beings didn’t understand this concept until the 1800’s ? It would have made no sense whatsoever in those times so they used stories that people could relate to. However thanks to science it is now demonstrable that evolution is an undisputable truth, that doesn’t disprove God – it simply disproves the Biblical story of creation as a literal depiction of the genesis of mankind.
I highly doubt that we will ever know the full truth however. I’m a protestant Christian but I’m sure there are many aspects of my beliefs that will be proven incorrect one day – I also believe in science however the history of science is essentially the history of people proving that what was once accepted as scientific fact is in fact incorrect, so it would be foolish for me to also think that modern day science is the complete truth.
As for the second paragraph, the proof is undeniable.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30786139
I personally feel that as more and more science proves many of the bibles (and other religious texts) innacurate, religious types use the "its a guide, not literal" etc...
But surely if it it isnt literal, then it puts the rest of the story into doubt?
If i was to write a landmark scientific paper, then as parts were shown not to be true, people would rightly question the integrity of the rest of the data/conclusions etc
Also, clearly only 1 religion (or no god/etc) can be true. Statistically, that makes religion even less plausable...
millions suffering such pain from illness and wars every single day.
or is it all a game.
Create a Model which is not flawed, or are your powers only limited.