Transfer deadline day (Official Thread).
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Yes I'm talking about the literal number and not the classic position that everyone (apart from you clearly) refers to as the number 9 role... lol?bobcafc7 said:
Gotta say it's quite funny your moaning that we havnt got a number 9 , so if Watts favourite number was 9 instead of 32 everything would be ok lol ?Addicted said:We haven't had a number 9 for over a year. It's not a case of they haven't had enough time to look about, talk to potential signings etc. They just haven't bothered trying hard enough.
Plenty of other teams on a similar level have signed players in the mold we are after during that period. We haven't been 'unlucky' unless you count having a narcissistic tight arsed prick for an owner.
For a team that has struggled for goals like we have, swapping 1 shit tall lad for 1 unproven small lad up top is not the sort of business you conduct if you have any clue what you are doing.1 -
That is the comment of someone who doesn't know anything about football.bobcafc7 said:
Gotta say it's quite funny your moaning that we havnt got a number 9 , so if Watts favourite number was 9 instead of 32 everything would be ok lol ?Addicted said:We haven't had a number 9 for over a year. It's not a case of they haven't had enough time to look about, talk to potential signings etc. They just haven't bothered trying hard enough.
Plenty of other teams on a similar level have signed players in the mold we are after during that period. We haven't been 'unlucky' unless you count having a narcissistic tight arsed prick for an owner.
For a team that has struggled for goals like we have, swapping 1 shit tall lad for 1 unproven small lad up top is not the sort of business you conduct if you have any clue what you are doing.
Kermorgant didn't wear number 9 but he is what is known as a number 9
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I have to admit that I thought they would come up with something, because it's so bloody obviously necessary and they have been told so from all sides.markmc68 said:Did anybody really believe that KM and RD would deliver 2 or 3 new players. Complete bollox churned out again. Going to get worse before it gets better. For that reason. I'm out
I mean, just how stupid can they possibly be about what it takes to make a football team and the consequences if you don't?16 -
May as well ask for the moon with this lot in chargeValleyGary said:
I look at our rivals, Millwall for example, and they've inreased their squad but with poor quality. the kid they got from Spurs was meant to be woeful on his previous loan in L1 and Tonge is crap. Leeds didn't even want him.Addickforlife said:
I don't really care about the ins and outs of why we didn't sign anyone. The fact of the matter is we needed to, we didn't and some of our rivals did.ForeverAddickted said:
Serious question and this isnt a dig @ you RobinThe Red Robin said:Serious question, is there anyone at the club who's actually experienced in transfer dealings? Utter shambles.
But is there anyone here that has experienced in transfer dealings to know what happened last night... this aint Football Manager
That tells me that either we were lied to, again, or RD and Katrien simply arnt very good at their job and failed to get potential signings over the line.
Both worrying.
There is no denying that we need players in desperately, but as FA says above, this isn't Football Manager. first off the right players need to be available. I see no benefit of bringing in players of the same standard as our U21 players. Fans would be up in arms, LePoint has already been labelled as no better than Muldoon after 15 minutes of game time. Then some deals break down, for whatever reason. I'm not trying to make excuses for Katrien or RD, cos quite frankly I can't be bothered anymore, but it would be nice to know further details of yesterday's attempts.1 -
I reckon Katrien "does my bum look big in this?" Meire spent most of yesterday being briefed by Muzza on the best excuses to trot out today to us mugs.Airman Brown said:
I have to admit that I thought they would come up with something, because it's so bloody obviously necessary and they have been told so from all sides.markmc68 said:Did anybody really believe that KM and RD would deliver 2 or 3 new players. Complete bollox churned out again. Going to get worse before it gets better. For that reason. I'm out
I mean, just how stupid can they possibly be about what it takes to make a football team and the consequences if you don't?
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Don't worry Moussa will get better and Bulot will return and everything will be all right. At least that's what Guy Luzon told me, and he must be right because he likes to win and doesn't like to lose.8
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At least one person believes the nonsense being spouted by the club. Elsewhere, he is saying that Carlton Cole was going to be the striker on "big wages" but we were gazumped by West Brom (who failed to get him due to West Ham withdrawing the deal).markmc68 said:Did anybody really believe that KM and RD would deliver 2 or 3 new players. Complete bollox churned out again. Going to get worse before it gets better. For that reason. I'm out
This story doesn't seem to fit the reality as Cole had travelled to Birmingham earlier in the day and was sitting waiting for the green light from West Ham. And is Carlton Cole a player we would have wanted to pay "big wages" for?0 -
It was more of a wind up anyway,Greenie Junior said:
That is the comment of someone who doesn't know anything about football.bobcafc7 said:
Gotta say it's quite funny your moaning that we havnt got a number 9 , so if Watts favourite number was 9 instead of 32 everything would be ok lol ?Addicted said:We haven't had a number 9 for over a year. It's not a case of they haven't had enough time to look about, talk to potential signings etc. They just haven't bothered trying hard enough.
Plenty of other teams on a similar level have signed players in the mold we are after during that period. We haven't been 'unlucky' unless you count having a narcissistic tight arsed prick for an owner.
For a team that has struggled for goals like we have, swapping 1 shit tall lad for 1 unproven small lad up top is not the sort of business you conduct if you have any clue what you are doing.
Kermorgant didn't wear number 9 but he is what is known as a number 9
Marcus Tudgay, Piggot , Tucudean all play a number 9 role albeit not very well, sorry sir Alex.1 -
I reckon Katrien "does my bum look big in this?" Meire spent most of yesterday being briefed by Muzza on the best excuses to trot out today to us mugs.
I don't think for one moment the club will make a statement to fans. They will not feel that an explanation is owed. They own and run the club, and that is that. If they didn't sign anyone, that is that. It's nothing to do with the fans and I will genuinely be shocked to see them address this 'issue'. They are probably not even aware there is an issue.
I'm actually surprised that so many on here are actually surprised we didn't sign anyone?1 -
I heard KM and RD interviewed 20 players, but none of them were as esteemed as Roger Johnson.12
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They made a statement in the summer:braydex said:
I reckon Katrien "does my bum look big in this?" Meire spent most of yesterday being briefed by Muzza on the best excuses to trot out today to us mugs.
I don't think for one moment the club will make a statement to fans. They will not feel that an explanation is owed. They own and run the club, and that is that. If they didn't sign anyone, that is that. It's nothing to do with the fans and I will genuinely be shocked to see them address this 'issue'. They are probably not even aware there is an issue.
I'm actually surprised that so many on here are actually surprised we didn't sign anyone?
Despite some late-night negotiations, Charlton were unable to add to their squad before the summer transfer window closed on Monday evening.
Two deals for potential signings were still being worked on until less than an hour before the deadline, however no agreements could be reached in time.
The Addicks are one of just two sides in the Championship who remain unbeaten after the first five matches and, with the loan window opening shortly, there will be opportunities to add to the current playing squad before January.
“We have made a very good start to the new season, especially considering how many new players we have in the side,” said CEO Katrien Meire.
“There were discussions over potential additions to the squad before the end of the window and we began negotiations with clubs over a couple of players.
“They have to be the right players and personalities, who we think will add to our current group and are affordable in the context of the club’s commitment to adhering to financial fair play regulations.
“We are happy with our current squad and we did not just want to bring in players because of the pressure of the looming deadline.
“Also, with a number of promising young players at the club, we are keen to aid their development and continue to show there will always be a pathway to the first team for the most talented youngsters at Charlton.
“As always, we will continue to assess the playing squad over the coming weeks and months and remain determined that we have a group capable of competing in the Championship.”1 -
Bikey, Vetokele, Onyewu, Henderson, Etheridge, Moussa, Coquelin, Velkjovic, Gudmundsson and Lepoint are all signings who aren't/weren't in the network. Dimitrovic and Watt are both here permanently. These leaves the grand total of 'network loanees' as... two (Ben Haim and Buyens), the former of which has a pretty good claim for player of the season any way. That's fourteen in total, MORE than enough for an entirely new 11 if all fit. Bikey, Ben Haim, Moussa, Etheridge, Watt and Onyewu all have experience of the English/British game, several of them in the Championship. Coquelin and Velkjovic are both highly rated at far bigger clubs than we'll ever be.
I am not saying there aren't problems nor that many of these players aren't good enough but saying the problems are too many Liege reserves is factually incorrect, as is saying that we just haven't made enough signings in total. The problem is the players aren't good enough. IF we had a better scouting/recruitment system in place and the network would be a great asse.t... Big IF though9 -
And this is what I posted last Friday:
"We tried really hard, we really did. It was just unfortunate that we ran out of time. Still, I have every confidence in the squad and that we will turn things around for the fans."
I got a few LOLs. Thing is that it wasn't intended to be funny :-(0 -
Coquelin's playing for Arsenal. Ben Haim's not on loan. Bulot is.thenewbie said:Bikey, Vetokele, Onyewu, Henderson, Etheridge, Moussa, Coquelin, Velkjovic, Gudmundsson and Lepoint are all signings who aren't/weren't in the network. Dimitrovic and Watt are both here permanently. These leaves the grand total of 'network loanees' as... two (Ben Haim and Buyens), the former of which has a pretty good claim for player of the season any way. That's fourteen in total, MORE than enough for an entirely new 11 if all fit. Bikey, Ben Haim, Moussa, Etheridge, Watt and Onyewu all have experience of the English/British game, several of them in the Championship. Coquelin and Velkjovic are both highly rated at far bigger clubs than we'll ever be.
I am not saying there aren't problems nor that many of these players aren't good enough but saying the problems are too many Liege reserves is factually incorrect, as is saying that we just haven't made enough signings in total. The problem is the players aren't good enough. IF we had a better scouting/recruitment system in place and the network would be a great asse.t... Big IF though1 -
I like this postthenewbie said:Bikey, Vetokele, Onyewu, Henderson, Etheridge, Moussa, Coquelin, Velkjovic, Gudmundsson and Lepoint are all signings who aren't/weren't in the network. Dimitrovic and Watt are both here permanently. These leaves the grand total of 'network loanees' as... two (Ben Haim and Buyens), the former of which has a pretty good claim for player of the season any way. That's fourteen in total, MORE than enough for an entirely new 11 if all fit. Bikey, Ben Haim, Moussa, Etheridge, Watt and Onyewu all have experience of the English/British game, several of them in the Championship. Coquelin and Velkjovic are both highly rated at far bigger clubs than we'll ever be.
I am not saying there aren't problems nor that many of these players aren't good enough but saying the problems are too many Liege reserves is factually incorrect, as is saying that we just haven't made enough signings in total. The problem is the players aren't good enough. IF we had a better scouting/recruitment system in place and the network would be a great asse.t... Big IF though
Shame there weren't a couple (I think 2 to 3 was the number being touted) of new faces brought in, but it ain't the first disapointing transfer window We've experienced, so I'll see it out till the end of the season before pissing and shitting meself.
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..... my main moan is the getting rid of/not re-appointing Riga5
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Bold ambition - when you get to my age it's best not to tempt fate.brogib said:
I like this postthenewbie said:Bikey, Vetokele, Onyewu, Henderson, Etheridge, Moussa, Coquelin, Velkjovic, Gudmundsson and Lepoint are all signings who aren't/weren't in the network. Dimitrovic and Watt are both here permanently. These leaves the grand total of 'network loanees' as... two (Ben Haim and Buyens), the former of which has a pretty good claim for player of the season any way. That's fourteen in total, MORE than enough for an entirely new 11 if all fit. Bikey, Ben Haim, Moussa, Etheridge, Watt and Onyewu all have experience of the English/British game, several of them in the Championship. Coquelin and Velkjovic are both highly rated at far bigger clubs than we'll ever be.
I am not saying there aren't problems nor that many of these players aren't good enough but saying the problems are too many Liege reserves is factually incorrect, as is saying that we just haven't made enough signings in total. The problem is the players aren't good enough. IF we had a better scouting/recruitment system in place and the network would be a great asse.t... Big IF though
Shame there weren't a couple (I think 2 to 3 was the number being touted) of new faces brought in, but it ain't the first disapointing transfer window We've experienced, so I'll see it out till the end of the season before pissing and shitting meself.
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I forgot the comma mark between 'shitting' and 'meself' ; )1
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Cole was recalled by West Ham because Spurs wouldn't let Adebayor join on loan, otherwise he would have signed for the Baggies.henrythecat said:
At least one person believes the nonsense being spouted by the club. Elsewhere, he is saying that Carlton Cole was going to be the striker on "big wages" but we were gazumped by West Brom (who failed to get him due to West Ham withdrawing the deal).markmc68 said:Did anybody really believe that KM and RD would deliver 2 or 3 new players. Complete bollox churned out again. Going to get worse before it gets better. For that reason. I'm out
This story doesn't seem to fit the reality as Cole had travelled to Birmingham earlier in the day and was sitting waiting for the green light from West Ham. And is Carlton Cole a player we would have wanted to pay "big wages" for?
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I am aware Coquelin is no longer with us, hence my use of the past tense. As to the other point, I stand corrected. On the other hand, that means we actually signed Ben Haim permanently which can't be seen as a bad deal, Bulot is a flop I think we can safely say but the network status is really beside the point - he's done/been no worse than Lee Cook, and probably cheaper.Airman Brown said:
Coquelin's playing for Arsenal. Ben Haim's not on loan. Bulot is.thenewbie said:Bikey, Vetokele, Onyewu, Henderson, Etheridge, Moussa, Coquelin, Velkjovic, Gudmundsson and Lepoint are all signings who aren't/weren't in the network. Dimitrovic and Watt are both here permanently. These leaves the grand total of 'network loanees' as... two (Ben Haim and Buyens), the former of which has a pretty good claim for player of the season any way. That's fourteen in total, MORE than enough for an entirely new 11 if all fit. Bikey, Ben Haim, Moussa, Etheridge, Watt and Onyewu all have experience of the English/British game, several of them in the Championship. Coquelin and Velkjovic are both highly rated at far bigger clubs than we'll ever be.
I am not saying there aren't problems nor that many of these players aren't good enough but saying the problems are too many Liege reserves is factually incorrect, as is saying that we just haven't made enough signings in total. The problem is the players aren't good enough. IF we had a better scouting/recruitment system in place and the network would be a great asse.t... Big IF though
The issue is NOT where the players are from, it never was. It is and always has been that they're not good enough, and that is something RD can change without having to alter his precious model all that much.
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Coquelin went back after a few games and was replaced by Vejkjovic.thenewbie said:Bikey, Vetokele, Onyewu, Henderson, Etheridge, Moussa, Coquelin, Velkjovic, Gudmundsson and Lepoint are all signings who aren't/weren't in the network. Dimitrovic and Watt are both here permanently. These leaves the grand total of 'network loanees' as... two (Ben Haim and Buyens), the former of which has a pretty good claim for player of the season any way. That's fourteen in total, MORE than enough for an entirely new 11 if all fit. Bikey, Ben Haim, Moussa, Etheridge, Watt and Onyewu all have experience of the English/British game, several of them in the Championship. Coquelin and Velkjovic are both highly rated at far bigger clubs than we'll ever be.
I am not saying there aren't problems nor that many of these players aren't good enough but saying the problems are too many Liege reserves is factually incorrect, as is saying that we just haven't made enough signings in total. The problem is the players aren't good enough. IF we had a better scouting/recruitment system in place and the network would be a great asse.t... Big IF though
Onyewu, Etheridge and Lepoint have hardly kicked a ball in anger in the last five years and have not shown that they are good enough at this level.
The jury is very much out on Dimitrovic, Watt and an injured Moussa.
We will be lucky to get many seasons out of the rest of that bunch either because they will want out at the end of their contracts or because the two or three that have a market value will be sold to the highest bidder.
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a loads of resources devoted to, a lot of hot air expelled and a lot of fuss over very little, especially as far as CAFC is concerned0
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Perhaps 'cos we care Lincs. And they don't.Lincsaddick said:a loads of resources devoted to, a lot of hot air expelled and a lot of fuss over very little, especially as far as CAFC is concerned
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When does the loan window open?0
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Dont worry folks because according to the Official FB page, they are using orange balls in training today!3
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Well, it is, because it means we have received a succession of players not suited to contribute in the Championship because RD is already paying them. I won't bother to list them, but they have been clogging the place up since last January. That is money and places in the side that would have been used on players chosen for Charlton by Charlton without the network. And by the way you can bet that the club is subsidising these mistakes still, especially in the cases of Loic Nego and George Tucudean, if not Reza.thenewbie said:
I am aware Coquelin is no longer with us, hence my use of the past tense. As to the other point, I stand corrected. On the other hand, that means we actually signed Ben Haim permanently which can't be seen as a bad deal, Bulot is a flop I think we can safely say but the network status is really beside the point - he's done/been no worse than Lee Cook, and probably cheaper.Airman Brown said:
Coquelin's playing for Arsenal. Ben Haim's not on loan. Bulot is.thenewbie said:Bikey, Vetokele, Onyewu, Henderson, Etheridge, Moussa, Coquelin, Velkjovic, Gudmundsson and Lepoint are all signings who aren't/weren't in the network. Dimitrovic and Watt are both here permanently. These leaves the grand total of 'network loanees' as... two (Ben Haim and Buyens), the former of which has a pretty good claim for player of the season any way. That's fourteen in total, MORE than enough for an entirely new 11 if all fit. Bikey, Ben Haim, Moussa, Etheridge, Watt and Onyewu all have experience of the English/British game, several of them in the Championship. Coquelin and Velkjovic are both highly rated at far bigger clubs than we'll ever be.
I am not saying there aren't problems nor that many of these players aren't good enough but saying the problems are too many Liege reserves is factually incorrect, as is saying that we just haven't made enough signings in total. The problem is the players aren't good enough. IF we had a better scouting/recruitment system in place and the network would be a great asse.t... Big IF though
The issue is NOT where the players are from, it never was. It is and always has been that they're not good enough, and that is something RD can change without having to alter his precious model all that much.
Yes, RD has gone outside the network too and still brought in inadequate players, but the root is the same. He doesn't want to pay the going rate and thinks he can get away with not doing so. And until he learns that lesson, if he ever does, he is bound to fail.
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Is that because we can no longer afford official white ones and they are a job lot from Sportsdirect?cafckev said:Dont worry folks because according to the Official FB page, they are using orange balls in training today!
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Oh what I'd give for orange balls, after the train delays mine are currently bluecafckev said:Dont worry folks because according to the Official FB page, they are using orange balls in training today!
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This appears to be the truth, sadly.Airman Brown said:
The bloke won't pay the going rate for what he needs (as with Kermorgant) and given the small world that football is word will have got round that the set-up is bonkers. It's because RD is in denial about the facts of life - not the supporters - that he can't sign the players we need.ForeverAddickted said:
Well I never remember KM or RD saying "We promise that we'll sign two / three players before the close of the window tomorrow"Addickforlife said:
I don't really care about the ins and outs of why we didn't sign anyone. The fact of the matter is we needed to, we didn't and some of our rivals did.ForeverAddickted said:
Serious question and this isnt a dig @ you RobinThe Red Robin said:Serious question, is there anyone at the club who's actually experienced in transfer dealings? Utter shambles.
But is there anyone here that has experienced in transfer dealings to know what happened last night... this aint Football Manager
That tells me that either we were lied to, again, or RD and Katrien simply arnt very good at their job and failed to get potential signings over the line.
Both worrying.
Instead it was always "we want to try and sign two / three players before the window closes"
Unfortunately as I've said, this isn't Football Manager yet the real world, players may not be available, they may not want to come to London, dont want to join Charlton or are happy where they are... In those situations there is nothing that the owners can do cos its just a factor in life...
Yes we shouldn't have left it till the last minute but this is the problem with the January Transfer Window, a club isn't going to sell a player without knowing that they'll be able to replace them (and yes I agree it was a mistake letting George Tucudean go in that sense but this freebie may well be a Striker still)... the Managers are constantly saying that they hate this transfer window because it can seriously hinder their season0 -
For me it was more about this window bringing in some quality to address the slide. You are right when you point out that the majority of the players bought in were outside the network. However, because we are 12 games without a win, regardless of whether or not the current squad are majority network or not, it needed improving (drastically).thenewbie said:Bikey, Vetokele, Onyewu, Henderson, Etheridge, Moussa, Coquelin, Velkjovic, Gudmundsson and Lepoint are all signings who aren't/weren't in the network. Dimitrovic and Watt are both here permanently. These leaves the grand total of 'network loanees' as... two (Ben Haim and Buyens), the former of which has a pretty good claim for player of the season any way. That's fourteen in total, MORE than enough for an entirely new 11 if all fit. Bikey, Ben Haim, Moussa, Etheridge, Watt and Onyewu all have experience of the English/British game, several of them in the Championship. Coquelin and Velkjovic are both highly rated at far bigger clubs than we'll ever be.
I am not saying there aren't problems nor that many of these players aren't good enough but saying the problems are too many Liege reserves is factually incorrect, as is saying that we just haven't made enough signings in total. The problem is the players aren't good enough. IF we had a better scouting/recruitment system in place and the network would be a great asse.t... Big IF though
This window has been a joke. Dmitrovic (although looked good on Sat) and Watt plus Lepoint were our sum total of signings. I think Watt will come good, I like the look of him. Yet not to write off LePoint too quickly, he looked like a bewildered version of Yoni Buyens' dad taking to the dance floor after a few shandies. Also, the majority on here seem to think that we needed a creative midfielder and forward. Obviously we are all arm chair managers who know best, but as it stands we are set to sign just a centre back on a free transfer0
