So will this thread be shut at 10pm? Or are we waiting for all the results to come in? Or wait until a new government is formed?
Whatever happens, it's been pretty enjoyable and enlightening and always refreshing to hear other people's perspectives and situations. I might not seem particularly open-minded at times but to be honest I just enjoy a good discussion and a lot of the time I just play Devil's advocate. Most people on here are decent people with convictions and they're the kind of voters we need in this country. No hard feelings to those who I've butted heads with, even if things did sometimes get heated, but after tomorrow I won't even care if this thread happened or not, at the end of the day we're all Charlton and that's the important thing
Voted Conservative, Will be close but think Tories will edge it.
Do you mean you think the Tories will win a majority of the seats? Or will form part of a coalition (if so, with whom?)? Or will form a minority government?
Voted Conservative, Will be close but think Tories will edge it.
Do you mean you think the Tories will win a majority of the seats? Or will form part of a coalition (if so, with whom?)? Or will form a minority government?
I was talking simply in terms of votes ( seats obtained ), whether they can form a government however is a different matter.
I think feasibly speaking unless some kind of supply & confidence agreement is obtained in advance, only the largest party can realistically form a minority government. Analysts predict that in the likely event of a minority government calling a snap election because it has lost the ability to govern effectively, voters will take it out on the smaller parties to ensure there is a clear winner second time round. Whether this will happen or not remains to be seen. I imagine Tories will attempt to go for a coalition with Lib Dems and DUP, otherwise unless Labour can tie up an agreement with the SNP as a minority government then it will be in the Tories interests to attempt to govern alone and gamble on getting more seats at the next election.
Technically speaking if all seats were distributed evenly between 6 main parties you could form a minority government with little over 100 seats. Or am I talking nonsense?
I think feasibly speaking unless some kind of supply & confidence agreement is obtained in advance, only the largest party can realistically form a minority government. Analysts predict that in the likely event of a minority government calling a snap election because it has lost the ability to govern effectively, voters will take it out on the smaller parties to ensure there is a clear winner second time round. Whether this will happen or not remains to be seen. I imagine Tories will attempt to go for a coalition with Lib Dems and DUP, otherwise unless Labour can tie up an agreement with the SNP as a minority government then it will be in the Tories interests to attempt to govern alone and gamble on getting more seats at the next election.
I thought by definition a minority government is where the the party that does not have the largest number of seats forms the government.
I think feasibly speaking unless some kind of supply & confidence agreement is obtained in advance, only the largest party can realistically form a minority government. Analysts predict that in the likely event of a minority government calling a snap election because it has lost the ability to govern effectively, voters will take it out on the smaller parties to ensure there is a clear winner second time round.
A government can no longer call a snap election due to the awful fixed term Parliament Act that the coalition passed. A two thirds majority is required to dissolve Parliament unless a motion of no confidence is passed AND after a 14 day cooling off period nobody else can form a government. Hopefully, it will be repealed a soon as possible in the next Parliament. Two thirds majorities are so unBritish.
I think feasibly speaking unless some kind of supply & confidence agreement is obtained in advance, only the largest party can realistically form a minority government. Analysts predict that in the likely event of a minority government calling a snap election because it has lost the ability to govern effectively, voters will take it out on the smaller parties to ensure there is a clear winner second time round.
A government can no longer call a snap election due to the awful fixed term Parliament Act that the coalition passed. A two thirds majority is required to dissolve Parliament unless a motion of no confidence is passed AND after a 14 day cooling off period nobody else can form a government. Hopefully, it will be repealed a soon as possible in the next Parliament. Two thirds majorities are so unBritish.
Well that too, but if a minority Tory government holds its hands up and says it isn't going to govern any longer, what parties are going to vote against the motion to dissolve Parliament?
My prediction. I think the Tory/Lib Dem coalition will scrape through. I think a lot the seats that pollsters are predicting the Lib Dems will lose will in fact stay Lib Dem because of massive tactical voting by traditional conservative voters.
My prediction. I think the Tory/Lib Lab coalition will scrape through. I think a lot the seats that pollsters are predicting the Lib Dems will lose will in fact stay Lib Dem because of massive tactical voting by traditional conservative voters.
I think a Tory/Lib Lab has every chance of scraping through! I assume you meant Tory/Lib Dem.
My prediction. I think the Tory/Lib Lab coalition will scrape through. I think a lot the seats that pollsters are predicting the Lib Dems will lose will in fact stay Lib Dem because of massive tactical voting by traditional conservative voters.
I think a Tory/Lib Lab has every chance of scraping through! I assume you meant Tory/Lib Dem.
I think feasibly speaking unless some kind of supply & confidence agreement is obtained in advance, only the largest party can realistically form a minority government. Analysts predict that in the likely event of a minority government calling a snap election because it has lost the ability to govern effectively, voters will take it out on the smaller parties to ensure there is a clear winner second time round.
A government can no longer call a snap election due to the awful fixed term Parliament Act that the coalition passed. A two thirds majority is required to dissolve Parliament unless a motion of no confidence is passed AND after a 14 day cooling off period nobody else can form a government. Hopefully, it will be repealed a soon as possible in the next Parliament. Two thirds majorities are so unBritish.
Well that too, but if a minority Tory government holds its hands up and says it isn't going to govern any longer, what parties are going to vote against the motion to dissolve Parliament?
UKIP's support has dipped a bit but is solid enough to ensure that there won't be a Tory government.
I predict Labour as the largest party (but only just) in a minority coalition with the LibDems. Whether it survives or not really depends on the SNP. EM will not do a deal with the SNP, would be political suicide a la Clegg and tuition fees. However, he can't stop them voting for a Labour Queen Speech and budget.
I think feasibly speaking unless some kind of supply & confidence agreement is obtained in advance, only the largest party can realistically form a minority government.
I don't agree with this bit. It's perfectly possibly for the second-largest party to form a minority government. This is, in fact, one of the (less likely) options that Gordon Brown considered after the last election. The supporters of the larger party would, of course, bleat that it's unconstitutional. But, the last (current) coalition could be described in the same way, as it ignores the second-largest party, but includes the third-largest. So, "feasibly speaking", it is perfectly within the bounds of possibility for a party other than the largest party to form a minority government.
... a minority government calling a snap election because it has lost the ability to govern effectively...
This can't happen any more as the Royal Prerogative (which is what this type of snap election was based on) is no longer constitutional for the dissolution of a Parliament. This is the first election that is impacted by the Fixed Term Parliament Act and it's already causing constitutional questions. And it's not due to have any kind of review until after the *next* election, due on 7 May 2020.
UKIP's support has dipped a bit but is solid enough to ensure that there won't be a Tory government.
I predict Labour as the largest party (but only just) in a minority coalition with the LibDems. Whether it survives or not really depends on the SNP. EM will not do a deal with the SNP, would be political suicide a la Clegg and tuition fees. However, he can't stop them voting for a Labour Queen Speech and budget.
What? Are you saying that Ukip will take tens of seats from the Tories?
UKIP's support has dipped a bit but is solid enough to ensure that there won't be a Tory government.
I predict Labour as the largest party (but only just) in a minority coalition with the LibDems. Whether it survives or not really depends on the SNP. EM will not do a deal with the SNP, would be political suicide a la Clegg and tuition fees. However, he can't stop them voting for a Labour Queen Speech and budget.
What? Are you saying that Ukip will take tens of seats from the Tories?
They won't take many , if any but they will take Conservative votes away possible letting Labour in , in marginal seats.
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Whatever happens, it's been pretty enjoyable and enlightening and always refreshing to hear other people's perspectives and situations. I might not seem particularly open-minded at times but to be honest I just enjoy a good discussion and a lot of the time I just play Devil's advocate. Most people on here are decent people with convictions and they're the kind of voters we need in this country. No hard feelings to those who I've butted heads with, even if things did sometimes get heated, but after tomorrow I won't even care if this thread happened or not, at the end of the day we're all Charlton and that's the important thing
I was talking simply in terms of votes ( seats obtained ), whether they can form a government however is a different matter.
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Just googled it. I am talking rubbish.
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I predict Labour as the largest party (but only just) in a minority coalition with the LibDems. Whether it survives or not really depends on the SNP. EM will not do a deal with the SNP, would be political suicide a la Clegg and tuition fees. However, he can't stop them voting for a Labour Queen Speech and budget.