General Election 2015 official thread
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Doesn't feel like a tit as the man is one always0
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I am a labour voter and he would be my first choice. He's knocked it back before though. I'm not hopeful.LargeAddick said:I'm not Labour but if I were I'd want Alan Johnson as leader.
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Tristram ? that would be hilariousShootersHillGuru said:
David is not even an MP. He would need to find a seat to contest. Win it and then contest leadership election. All doubtful and is the Miliband name now tarnished ?_MrDick said:Labour will have to wait until the next election / nailed on by-election to get its next proper leader who will be David Milliband. He's a half decent politician if I say so myself even though I'm a Tory boy.
Politics is now style over substance so I expect a leadership contested between those that look good in a suit and on camera and MOST importantly of all of course that they can show they know how to handle a bacon sandwich. Sad but true.
For what it's worth I can see Andy Burnham, Chukka Umunna and Tristram Hunt being ahead of David Miliband. All fit the "style"1 -
I think it's time for them to move away from older labour members who have been through the political process over decades and tried to adapt
Labour need a new impetus a new look and a total over haul of their policies and alligences to those that oppose such a reform0 -
Why ?PL54 said:
Tristram ? that would be hilariousShootersHillGuru said:
David is not even an MP. He would need to find a seat to contest. Win it and then contest leadership election. All doubtful and is the Miliband name now tarnished ?_MrDick said:Labour will have to wait until the next election / nailed on by-election to get its next proper leader who will be David Milliband. He's a half decent politician if I say so myself even though I'm a Tory boy.
Politics is now style over substance so I expect a leadership contested between those that look good in a suit and on camera and MOST importantly of all of course that they can show they know how to handle a bacon sandwich. Sad but true.
For what it's worth I can see Andy Burnham, Chukka Umunna and Tristram Hunt being ahead of David Miliband. All fit the "style"
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Ok but 30,646,900 votes have been countedCallumcafc said:
11,316,429 voted conservative
9,339,818 voted labour
3,875,409 voted UKIP
2,399,866 voted Lib Dem
1,454,436 voted SNP
1,154,562 voted Green
all the rest amounted to
1,106,380
with St Ives to go who will vote Conservative...
So I'm fairly certain the voting system works... the one party with the most votes wins? is that not fair? Do we just keep going around in circles re-voting week after week?
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You couldn't have a leader called Tristram and ever use the word tory toff ever again
I have no idea who he is, if he is black white or Asian I don't know if he is tall or small fat or thin
But by just saying that name I imagine Tim nice but dim but a ginger one1 -
It's not a fair representation of the vote though.Dazzler21 said:
Ok but 30,646,900 votes have been countedCallumcafc said:
11,316,429 voted conservative
9,339,818 voted labour
3,875,409 voted UKIP
2,399,866 voted Lib Dem
1,454,436 voted SNP
1,154,562 voted Green
all the rest amounted to
1,106,380
with St Ives to go who will vote Conservative...
So I'm fairly certain the voting system works... the one party with the most votes wins? is that not fair? Do we just keep going around in circles re-voting week after week?
Which means that the government in the house of commons does not accurately represent the vote that took place.0 -
Excuse my ignorance but is this called proportional representation or has it changed name?Callumcafc said:The sooner it changes, the better. There are so many huge failings of FPTP that need to be a thing of the past.
Also how would it work with the local MP system?
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blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-parliament-proportional-representation/20893Dazzler21 said:
Ok but 30,646,900 votes have been countedCallumcafc said:
11,316,429 voted conservative
9,339,818 voted labour
3,875,409 voted UKIP
2,399,866 voted Lib Dem
1,454,436 voted SNP
1,154,562 voted Green
all the rest amounted to
1,106,380
with St Ives to go who will vote Conservative...
So I'm fairly certain the voting system works... the one party with the most votes wins? is that not fair? Do we just keep going around in circles re-voting week after week?0 -
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We have this said after every election and although I agree that the system doesn't sit right
Unless there are only two choices it won't ever be a fair representive
What it shows is that the tories got the most votes and regardless of how people define majority more people voted for them and as such they should win
It always in football terms is like saying the best team didn't win
You win if you score more goals
You win if you get more votes
Seems a fair way to do it imo based on the current rules
Changing them needs to be done with huge consideration to the people not just to allow parties to stay in or get in and no party will do something that jeopardises their future success0 -
Get your money on Chuka Amunna - 9-4 second favorite at the moment. He's my choice .nth london addick said:I think it's time for them to move away from older labour members who have been through the political process over decades and tried to adapt
Labour need a new impetus a new look and a total over haul of their policies and alligences to those that oppose such a reform
Andy Burnham is 2-1 favourite but i can't get past those eyebrows.
Alan Johnson is 40-1 so i can't see that happening.
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Tell me about him Beds has a very new politician look, very smart looking and would appear to be exactly the sort of person I mean,
If the policy changes that are required for them to engage people like me to feel aligned more to their ideas, he is someone that I would feel could lead a nation,
But where does his background and political views really sit, could he bring in change do you think0 -
But it's shown you don't win if you get more votes. UKIP had many more votes than last time and the SNP but they are actually losers in terms of seats.nth london addick said:We have this said after every election and although I agree that the system doesn't sit right
Unless there are only two choices it won't ever be a fair representive
What it shows is that the tories got the most votes and regardless of how people define majority more people voted for them and as such they should win
It always in football terms is like saying the best team didn't win
You win if you score more goals
You win if you get more votes
Seems a fair way to do it imo based on the current rules
Changing them needs to be done with huge consideration to the people not just to allow parties to stay in or get in and no party will do something that jeopardises their future success
I think at the very least the number of constituencies need to be amended.
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I am not opposed to changing it at all just wary that those that would bring it in,
I agree with that sentiment in terms of the snp vote and the ukip one
How would we solve the England and Scotland Wales Nthn Ireland situation
As a smaller nations of people numbers would it solely be expanding the boundaries in their constituencies or would it be to simple0 -
This is the system that they use in Germany and is now being adopted around the world.PL54 said:
Excuse my ignorance but is this called proportional representation or has it changed name?Callumcafc said:The sooner it changes, the better. There are so many huge failings of FPTP that need to be a thing of the past.
Also how would it work with the local MP system?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT0I-sdoSXU 0 -
He's a 36 year old from South London of mixed Nigerien / English descent.
He speaks very well ( some would say a little too polished ) and is very intelligent.
I think he would distance the Labour Party from the unions side of things ( although not completely ) and would sit a little more central than Milliband .
The only thing that worries me is the Chris Powell affect . I'm sure he will have to fend off the " being black" questions constantly which might be a big distraction .
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nth london addick said:
You couldn't have a leader called Tristram and ever use the word tory toff ever again
I have no idea who he is, if he is black white or Asian I don't know if he is tall or small fat or thin
But by just saying that name I imagine Tim nice but dim but a ginger one0 -
Oh and I think he's a NigelBedsaddick said:He's a 36 year old from South London of mixed Nigerien / English descent.
He speaks very well ( some would say a little too polished ) and is very intelligent.
I think he would distance the Labour Party from the unions side of things ( although not completely ) and would sit a little more central than Milliband .
The only thing that worries me is the Chris Powell affect . I'm sure he will have to fend off the " being black" questions constantly which might be a big distraction .0 -
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Looks like Clegg with a bit more hair and blonder
Thanks Beds it would need that sort of change imo
The being black issue will always be there unfortunately0 -
This result has convinced me even more that most of the electorate vote on image and perception first, policy and record second. I am a big fan of Alan Johnson and I think his experience and down to earth approach would have had a very positive effect compared to the Bacon Sandwich Muncher.ShootersHillGuru said:
I am a labour voter and he would be my first choice. He's knocked it back before though. I'm not hopeful.LargeAddick said:I'm not Labour but if I were I'd want Alan Johnson as leader.
But, it's too late now as Johnson should have been in over a year ago. So the time has come for Labour to stop trying to play the Tories at their own game, play to their own strength in policies properly combating social injustice and cuts to our public services and above all get a leader that is going to have the widest appeal to the electorate given the popular press will be gunning for whoever gets the gig.
Assuming Joey Essex is unavailable I suggest they start their rebranding with Chukka...0 -
Well that changes everything beds I could never vote for him0
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Yeah I admit it is a problem.nth london addick said:Well that changes everything beds I could never vote for him
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That looks a good system. Hadn't seen that before.Callumcafc said:
This is the system that they use in Germany and is now being adopted around the world.PL54 said:
Excuse my ignorance but is this called proportional representation or has it changed name?Callumcafc said:The sooner it changes, the better. There are so many huge failings of FPTP that need to be a thing of the past.
Also how would it work with the local MP system?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT0I-sdoSXU0 -
I am sure that the Conservatives are more interested in laws about elections when Unions vote to take action, than reforms of the Parliamentary system to be in line with their proposed Trade Union system.2
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Bournemouth image is important in choosing as that is the first impression You see
Millband lacked not just image he lacked personality and charisma and could not really hide his own socialist views in the benefit of his party which In turn made the image issue fit the persona0 -
Feels utterly bizarre that the most powerful Green Party advocacy of the night came from the UKIP MP. I would probably settle for PR if it meant UKIP voices as well as Green. For a start, watch the Green vote fly through the roof as people no longer vote tactically1
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As an aside and I thank bing once again for raising my awareness
I really do feel that Nick Clegg deserves recognition for his bravery in stepping into the Lions den and firing line for the good of this country
What all politicians should aspire too
Thank you nick you have my respect and admiration6 -
You vote for someone to represent your constituency in Parliament, not someone to represent the people who think like you in Parliament. Most constituencies are two or three horse races so you know if your vote is going to make a difference before you cast it anyway.
It's hard to translate this into a 'proportional representation' across the UK because a party will either have broad appeal (UKIP, Greens) or targeted appeal (PC, DUP, SNP) or both (Tories, Labour). Hence Tories & Labour will pick up the most seats and SNP and PC will get more seats per vote than UKIP or Greens because their support, though similar, is far more efficiently targeted.
The lesson for smaller parties is this - don't go for a nationwide campaign. Represent an area of the country. Greens would be far better off targeting areas of the South and London that are left-leaning, whereas UKIP could build a support base representing the forgotten working classes of the Midlands and the North, where their support is strongest.2
