When put like that you may be right, but for me I think another season or two possibly continuing to show club leadership even if the games and Mins on pitch reduce and I may agree,
I can't have a bad word said against him myself, I think he is a real footballer and a man's man, leader of men I just don't think legend status is easily achieved
A few years ago, I was at the usual pre-season game at Welling. Welling had just been promoted to the Conference. Before the kickoff, I saw Jacko calling the whole team over to for a guard of honour for the Welling team. How many overpaid professional footballers would do that to a team 3 leagues below them?
It's an interesting conundrum. Someone mentioned CP as a legend. Now, I'm not disagreeing, but by rights by one of the criteria that makes him a legend, should probably mean Lake Young is a "legend". But no - one has mentioned him.
So, when it comes down to it, maybe one of the things that makes a footballer a "legend" at one club, is the indefinable, incalculable thing called "charisma".
I think the only thing stopping people considering Jacko a legend is the level we've been at while he's been with us. I think that the opposite it true though. Jackson's stuck with Charlton during one of the most difficult and bizarre times in our club's history. In that time he was signed on loan by Parky as an emergency left back where he performed well, signed permanently to play left midfield where he started scoring a ludicrous number of goals for a midfielder. He captained a team of entirely new arrivals under Powell and led us to the title with our highest ever points total, scoring 13 goals including consecutive free kicks against the Sheffield teams. He was also instrumental in bringing a feel-good factor back to the club and helping fans feel connected to the players again.
He then dragged the team through difficult times in our first season back in the Championship when all the money suddenly vanished, including games that will never leave my memory like the 5-4 against Cardiff and the incredible New Year's Day 4-3 against Watford. Both of those results were achieved because of Jackson's goals, but also his sheer force of personality. The next season there was the Ipswich leveller and the last minute winner against QPR. The best thing is all those goals clearly meant just as much to him as they did to us.
Add to that his attitude towards the fans during and after games, him buying a round for everyone on the train after Sheffield Wednesday, asking the fans what the other scores were during the Carlisle match, spending the entire day speaking to fans on Twitter after the Sheffield United cup debacle, helping everyone keep moving forward despite the many changes in ownership and management. When you look back in this period he'll be the constant and the face people remember. I've probably forgotten stuff as well. Not sure what else a player can do to be considered a legend but it can't be much more than that.
I've been thinking about this and Without wanting to start the Chris powell debate all over again I think jackson is similar in a lot of ways
- played a lot of important games - big contribution - deserves the utmost respect for his attitude towards everyone
Basically he's a good footballer, and s really nice bloke. I'd like to think that the feeling of happy disbelief when powell was announced manager will be the same if (when) Jacko is our manager
Has maintained his dignity, professionalism and high standards throughout a period of instability and, at times, farcical time in the club's recent history.
On the pitch leads by example and has the knack of being the player who,when something special is needed, is always involved in producing it.
Off the pitch he represents our club and himself in exactly the right way.
Held in extremely high regard by fans, players and different levels of management.
I think the only thing stopping people considering Jacko a legend is the level we've been at while he's been with us. I think that the opposite it true though. Jackson's stuck with Charlton during one of the most difficult and bizarre times in our club's history. In that time he was signed on loan by Parky as an emergency left back where he performed well, signed permanently to play left midfield where he started scoring a ludicrous number of goals for a midfielder. He captained a team of entirely new arrivals under Powell and led us to the title with our highest ever points total, scoring 13 goals including consecutive free kicks against the Sheffield teams. He was also instrumental in bringing a feel-good factor back to the club and helping fans feel connected to the players again.
He then dragged the team through difficult times in our first season back in the Championship when all the money suddenly vanished, including games that will never leave my memory like the 5-4 against Cardiff and the incredible New Year's Day 4-3 against Watford. Both of those results were achieved because of Jackson's goals, but also his sheer force of personality. The next season there was the Ipswich leveller and the last minute winner against QPR. The best thing is all those goals clearly meant just as much to him as they did to us.
Add to that his attitude towards the fans during and after games, him buying a round for everyone on the train after Sheffield Wednesday, asking the fans what the other scores were during the Carlisle match, spending the entire day speaking to fans on Twitter after the Sheffield United cup debacle, helping everyone keep moving forward despite the many changes in ownership and management. When you look back in this period he'll be the constant and the face people remember. I've probably forgotten stuff as well. Not sure what else a player can do to be considered a legend but it can't be much more than that.
Undoubted Charlton legend for me. It's not just about ability.
This.
If it was just about ability then you would only pick players when your in the top division. which would rule out Peacock,Hales ETC. Jacko is a Legend for 50% off the field and 50% on the Field. The work he has done with holding this club together when it nearly Imploded is infinite, we could have ended up as the Blackpool of the south but with Less Sand and Less Crabs!!!
I think the only thing stopping people considering Jacko a legend is the level we've been at while he's been with us. I think that the opposite it true though. Jackson's stuck with Charlton during one of the most difficult and bizarre times in our club's history. In that time he was signed on loan by Parky as an emergency left back where he performed well, signed permanently to play left midfield where he started scoring a ludicrous number of goals for a midfielder. He captained a team of entirely new arrivals under Powell and led us to the title with our highest ever points total, scoring 13 goals including consecutive free kicks against the Sheffield teams. He was also instrumental in bringing a feel-good factor back to the club and helping fans feel connected to the players again.
He then dragged the team through difficult times in our first season back in the Championship when all the money suddenly vanished, including games that will never leave my memory like the 5-4 against Cardiff and the incredible New Year's Day 4-3 against Watford. Both of those results were achieved because of Jackson's goals, but also his sheer force of personality. The next season there was the Ipswich leveller and the last minute winner against QPR. The best thing is all those goals clearly meant just as much to him as they did to us.
Add to that his attitude towards the fans during and after games, him buying a round for everyone on the train after Sheffield Wednesday, asking the fans what the other scores were during the Carlisle match, spending the entire day speaking to fans on Twitter after the Sheffield United cup debacle, helping everyone keep moving forward despite the many changes in ownership and management. When you look back in this period he'll be the constant and the face people remember. I've probably forgotten stuff as well. Not sure what else a player can do to be considered a legend but it can't be much more than that.
Ok. If he buys me a pint, I'll call him a legend.
PS What was he tweeting after the Sheff U game ?
Basically anyone who tweeted him regarding the poor performance he replied, held his hand up and apologised saying it was unacceptable they had to pay money and travel to see that.
Also, I'm not sure you could see it but on the telly you could see jacko was hurting during the game. Pulling and throwing away players who were whining to the ref or getting in squabbles with the sheff Utd players like he was some pissed off parent dealing with a naughty toddler.
I think the only thing stopping people considering Jacko a legend is the level we've been at while he's been with us. I think that the opposite it true though. Jackson's stuck with Charlton during one of the most difficult and bizarre times in our club's history. In that time he was signed on loan by Parky as an emergency left back where he performed well, signed permanently to play left midfield where he started scoring a ludicrous number of goals for a midfielder. He captained a team of entirely new arrivals under Powell and led us to the title with our highest ever points total, scoring 13 goals including consecutive free kicks against the Sheffield teams. He was also instrumental in bringing a feel-good factor back to the club and helping fans feel connected to the players again.
He then dragged the team through difficult times in our first season back in the Championship when all the money suddenly vanished, including games that will never leave my memory like the 5-4 against Cardiff and the incredible New Year's Day 4-3 against Watford. Both of those results were achieved because of Jackson's goals, but also his sheer force of personality. The next season there was the Ipswich leveller and the last minute winner against QPR. The best thing is all those goals clearly meant just as much to him as they did to us.
Add to that his attitude towards the fans during and after games, him buying a round for everyone on the train after Sheffield Wednesday, asking the fans what the other scores were during the Carlisle match, spending the entire day speaking to fans on Twitter after the Sheffield United cup debacle, helping everyone keep moving forward despite the many changes in ownership and management. When you look back in this period he'll be the constant and the face people remember. I've probably forgotten stuff as well. Not sure what else a player can do to be considered a legend but it can't be much more than that.
Ok. If he buys me a pint, I'll call him a legend.
PS What was he tweeting after the Sheff U game ?
Utter farce, Powell out. Two Chalets must go. Sometimes I hate this farkin club.
After the Sheffield game he made a conscious effort to individually respond to absolutely everybody who had messaged him that day. He realized how much that result hurt the fans.
He also holds the title of being the captain during our record breaking league season - no other player in our history can lay claim to that.
I absolutely bloody love him and anyone who refuses to call him a legend to my face will get a smack in the chops (provided you are a gentleman who won't hit me back and will wait patiently while I fetch a stool for those over 6 foot).
Careful - it depends on whether we're talking about the man himself, in possession of his own legend and its contents, or 'Johnnie Jackson' the construct, CAFC club legend and immortal bearer of the Valiant sword...
Brilliant, @Stig! Legend for me, because he took the piss out of Mr W's shirt at the sponsors' dinner...though I guess he has had to soften his attitude to Scotland and Scots "somewatt" recently.
Surely it's not even a debate? Absolute legend and a hero! He's been with us during hell in league One, then captained us as we smashed the league. That in itself is a feat that not many captains have experienced with us, to then be the glue that held us together in the following Championship season was outstanding. Since then he's been on the decline due to injuries and his age, but I still love the guy and think he deserves a place with us. In the dressing room his experience and personality must be a huge lift to the team, and we know no matter what he'll fight and show 100% passion for our team.
He's one of us, and always will be..........................forget about him supporting Arsenal, he's showed us on and off the pitch what we as supporters, and as a club mean to him.
I'm only 21 so obviously I've not followed Charlton as long as most of you on here, but I'd like to weigh in on this.For me, I've only seen two players that I would consider Charlton legends, Jackson and Powell. In forty years time, I have no doubt that Jackson will be the one player that stands out in my memory above all others of this era. He joined us when we were as bad as I've ever seen us and fairly quickly became the heart of the team- he still is for me. Those goals against the Sheffield and the header against QPR are legendary moments that I will never forget. Maybe I'm biased but I've always thought that Charlton has more of an identity, a soul perhaps, than some clubs. We're about more than just the scoreline on the pitch. I feel that through confusing and uncertain times, Jackson has been the one that has embodied that identity and kept Charlton a club that I can be proud to support. When KAG scored his first goal the other day, he went and celebrated with Charles-Cook and Jackson, it seems all the youth players look up to and respect him. There's a reason that the only Charlton player most people can name is Johnnie Jackson, he's a Legend.
JJ will have to change his name, the Forest announcer apologised for his pronounciation of Charlton players, (although did OK), but kept calling JJ, John Johnson
We could have done with him on the bench his experience in central midfield on closing out a game like that would have been invaluable! Regan worked hard but didn't give us that control..
Diarra did remind me of jacko in the minutes after the goal! The way he was trying to get everyone back in the game and tried to grab the game by the scruff of the neck... and his run up the middle beating a few players to try and get us some momentum back was class!!
We could have done with him on the bench his experience in central midfield on closing out a game like that would have been invaluable! Regan worked hard but didn't give us that control..
Diarra did remind me of jacko in the minutes after the goal! The way he was trying to get everyone back in the game and tried to grab the game by the scruff of the neck... and his run up the middle beating a few players to try and get us some momentum back was class!!
loved that moment, really thought he gave a monkeys, which for a former world cup finalist and who has been at a number of clubs, was fantastic to see.
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I can't have a bad word said against him myself, I think he is a real footballer and a man's man, leader of men I just don't think legend status is easily achieved
A few years ago, I was at the usual pre-season game at Welling. Welling had just been promoted to the Conference. Before the kickoff, I saw Jacko calling the whole team over to for a guard of honour for the Welling team. How many overpaid professional footballers would do that to a team 3 leagues below them?
It's an interesting conundrum. Someone mentioned CP as a legend. Now, I'm not disagreeing, but by rights by one of the criteria that makes him a legend, should probably mean Lake Young is a "legend". But no - one has mentioned him.
So, when it comes down to it, maybe one of the things that makes a footballer a "legend" at one club, is the indefinable, incalculable thing called "charisma".
And Jacko has that in spades...
- played a lot of important games
- big contribution
- deserves the utmost respect for his attitude towards everyone
Basically he's a good footballer, and s really nice bloke. I'd like to think that the feeling of happy disbelief when powell was announced manager will be the same if (when) Jacko is our manager
Has maintained his dignity, professionalism and high standards throughout a period of instability and, at times, farcical time in the club's recent history.
On the pitch leads by example and has the knack of being the player who,when something special is needed, is always involved in producing it.
Off the pitch he represents our club and himself in exactly the right way.
Held in extremely high regard by fans, players and different levels of management.
Legend.
PS What was he tweeting after the Sheff U game ?
If it was just about ability then you would only pick players when your in the top division. which would rule out Peacock,Hales ETC.
Jacko is a Legend for 50% off the field and 50% on the Field.
The work he has done with holding this club together when it nearly Imploded is infinite, we could have ended up as the Blackpool of the south but with Less Sand and Less Crabs!!!
He also holds the title of being the captain during our record breaking league season - no other player in our history can lay claim to that.
Legend for me, because he took the piss out of Mr W's shirt at the sponsors' dinner...though I guess he has had to soften his attitude to Scotland and Scots "somewatt" recently.
I love that he puts his all into everything he does here.
He's one of us, and always will be..........................forget about him supporting Arsenal, he's showed us on and off the pitch what we as supporters, and as a club mean to him.
#Legend
Ok so I was double your age... never mind.
But Mendonca was an absolute Hero to me.
Someone also must've got his phone in the changing room and got on his Twitter
Even the programme today described him as "legend"...
Diarra did remind me of jacko in the minutes after the goal! The way he was trying to get everyone back in the game and tried to grab the game by the scruff of the neck... and his run up the middle beating a few players to try and get us some momentum back was class!!