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TfL aren't responsible for the Southeastern services so you're looking at the wrong app. At Waterloo East trains to Lewisham/Eltham will leave from Platform A unless there is a problem.
On the National Rail journey planner all you need to do is enter Eltham to Abbey Wood (or Woolwich) and the trains will be shown.2 -
Well that’s just great. An app called Transport for “London”…Crusty54 said:TfL aren't responsible for the Southeastern services so you're looking at the wrong app. At Waterloo East trains to Lewisham/Eltham will leave from Platform A unless there is a problem.
On the National Rail journey planner all you need to do is enter Eltham to Abbey Wood (or Woolwich) and the trains will be shown.
Anyway I am actually going to take that train to get to the Valley given we can’t really drive and have to head into the centre for dinner after the game. Better than fannying around with buses. 13.56 from Eltham arrives Charlton 14.30, and with any luck I can watch Charlton TV en route.
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The info blackout at Waterloo East has been going on for at least a few days now. No info on the boards, no announcements and no staff on the platforms to ask.PragueAddick said:So here I am in Eltham and I was up town for the day yesterday, and at Eltham station discovered something which, AFAIK doesn‘t seem widely known. There is a half hourly service from CannonStreet running up the BX line , swerving Dartford and back down the Woolwich line. This provides a direct connection to the Liz line at Abbey Wood. That takes 26 mins, down to 21 mins obvs if you get on at Welling. When my sister picked me up on Thursday at Abbey Wood that took us a good 20 mins to get back, so its competitive.And here‘s the thing. The TFL app doesnt mention this option at all, even if you ask it about starting from Eltham station 2 mins before that train departs. Insted it recommends you routes involving buses taking 40mins +. Not iimpressed with that app.
Meanwhile last night at 20.00 Waterloo East had an info blackout. No info on the panelś, no tannoy system. Trouble with Waterloo is, you need to know which platform and if you chose wrong, you are stuffed. Tfl app useless. Before leaving the pub with mates I knew I was looking for a train leaving 20.17 to connect at Lewisham, but didnt know which platform. Tried Google. It instructed me to get across to platform C for a Hayes train to get to Lewisham at 20.25 Just as I started to head off of Platform A a train rolled with “Dartford” on the front. I thought it’s worth a punt, and when I got on, it was indeed a BX line train, completely missed by both TfL and Google.Surely TfL should be leading the way in getting a grip on this info-chaos. I am wondering if there is some kind of tension between them and South-Eastern?
Trains roll in and out again with no indication of where they are going, although sometimes one might say "Dartford" on the front, so you have to guess which line it's going down.
Most people don't seem too bothered as they were looking at train apps, but I was with my old man who's nearly 80 now and he doesn't have a smart phone, so if I wasn't there he would've had no idea what train to get on.
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Oh, and as for the tfl app, it's OK but it has a tendency to steer you onto tfl services. So it will give you options to get three buses when actually if you hang on for 5 minutes you can get one train instead!
The "directions" facility on Google Maps is much better.0 -
Citymapper app is a good one to have.0
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Yes just got that, thanks to a conversation at the bus stop. The guy could see it was worth waiting for the bus as he could track it live on the app✅Bilko said:Citymapper app is a good one to have.
Meantime I also downloaded the South Eastern app which is nicely designed - and pretty good. But when I asked it about Eltham to St Pancras the first option at the time involved Thameslink and had full details but the next one involved the Tube and it just said that at London Bridge I should just “use the Underground”. FFS.
The next Labour govt should say it will require all the biggest cities to have One App to Rule Them All which is operator neutral and any operator that doesnt comply gets a big fine. And instead of re-inventing the wheel they can ask Vienna if they would kindly share their experience of building just such an app.
ok transport rant over. I’m going to focus on the match and look forward to seeing Corey live tearing Derby a new one. What?…oh….1 -
It’s not TfL data, and the national rail feed is to put it mildly, is shit
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Well one thing I’ve learnt living on the Continent is that especially in urban areas *integration* is the key to a decent service that encourages people to leave their cars at home. The UK seems to have lost that concept. Privatisation is partly to blame but I think it goes back longer than that. A concrete national plan to fix this ought to be a vote-winner.Rothko said:It’s not TfL data, and the national rail feed is to put it mildly, is shitI don’t know how well they do this app-info stuff in Paris. During the Olympics that’ll be a test.3 -
In terms off apps if I'm just getting the train I use the national rail app, if I want multi mode (train then tube or bus etc.) I'll use city mapper - although if there is a walking section I'll switch to google maps as the walking function on city mapper is shite.2
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Woolwich Elizabeth line station usage grows to 11.5 million trips in 2023
New data from Transport for London has revealed usage of Elizabeth line stations in Greenwich borough for 2023.
Abbey Wood was at 8.6 million journeys – though that station is also served by Southeastern and Thameslink.
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We are so far from an integrated transport strategy. Example - the 65 bus (from TfL) stops outside South Ealing tube station (TfL). Yet there's no provision for an announcement to tell people that the service is messed up this morning and you might want to stop on the bus for a few more minutes and go to Ealing Broadway.
Real Time Trains is pretty good at guessing platforms and stuff like that. It's a website not an app.3 -
Citymapper is the one I use consistently.
Though if I am specifically just looking for a train I use the national rail app.
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Shouldn't make any difference.BrentfordAddick said:We are so far from an integrated transport strategy. Example - the 65 bus (from TfL) stops outside South Ealing tube station (TfL). Yet there's no provision for an announcement to tell people that the service is messed up this morning and you might want to stop on the bus for a few more minutes and go to Ealing Broadway.
Real Time Trains is pretty good at guessing platforms and stuff like that. It's a website not an app.0 -
Greenwich Council have finally paid off their £15 million share of building the Elizabeth line station in Woolwich.
https://www.fromthemurkydepths.co.uk/2024/05/01/woolwich-elizabeth-line-station-bill-finally-paid-by-greenwich-council/
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PragueAddick said:
Yes just got that, thanks to a conversation at the bus stop. The guy could see it was worth waiting for the bus as he could track it live on the app✅Bilko said:Citymapper app is a good one to have.
Meantime I also downloaded the South Eastern app which is nicely designed - and pretty good. But when I asked it about Eltham to St Pancras the first option at the time involved Thameslink and had full details but the next one involved the Tube and it just said that at London Bridge I should just “use the Underground”. FFS.
The next Labour govt should say it will require all the biggest cities to have One App to Rule Them All which is operator neutral and any operator that doesnt comply gets a big fine. And instead of re-inventing the wheel they can ask Vienna if they would kindly share their experience of building just such an app.
ok transport rant over. I’m going to focus on the match and look forward to seeing Corey live tearing Derby a new one. What?…oh….This is from the TfL app. I find it works if you turn off the other, TfL run, options and just leave trains showing. No problem at all…
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Another month and another stonking set of passenger figures for the Elizabeth line in the latest data from Transport for London.
The last month of the financial year saw 17.1 million journeys compared to 14 million the year before.
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Newly released figures from Transport for London covering station usage across the capital has shown that Abbey Wood station is busier than Canary Wharf.
In the last financial year Abbey Wood saw 14.2m journeys with Canary Wharf at 14.1m. Woolwich was at 11.1m. It should be noted that counting methods are different at different stations.
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His parting shot:clive said:Newly released figures from Transport for London covering station usage across the capital has shown that Abbey Wood station is busier than Canary Wharf.
In the last financial year Abbey Wood saw 14.2m journeys with Canary Wharf at 14.1m. Woolwich was at 11.1m. It should be noted that counting methods are different at different stations.
"Will the Treasury and this new government learn that blocking investment for short term savings all too often doesn’t pay in the end?"
Is so bloody true. I recently read this excellent book, How Big Things Get Done. Recommended reading. Or just study how the Swiss do it. Agree the project, stick it in the 10 year strategic transport plan, get that ratified by the country in a referendum and then no-one, from a Zurich councillor to the Federal Government can touch it. But yes, I have noted a trigger-word in that description that means it might not work so well here.1 -
The Elizabeth line, London's newest train line, has been awarded the UK's most prestigious architecture prize.
The Stirling Prize is normally awarded by the Royal Institute of British Architects (Riba) to the country's best new building, but this year it has gone to the entire 62-mile network and its 10 new stations.
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clive said:
Newly released figures from Transport for London covering station usage across the capital has shown that Abbey Wood station is busier than Canary Wharf.
In the last financial year Abbey Wood saw 14.2m journeys with Canary Wharf at 14.1m. Woolwich was at 11.1m. It should be noted that counting methods are different at different stations.
Makes it all the more galling that Greenwich council had to pay, with Berkeley Homes, to get that station built at Woolwich.2 -
New operator for Elizabeth line to include Tokyo Metro
Transport for London have announced a new group will take over the operation of Elizabeth line services from 2025.
The announcement states the group consists of Tokyo Metro, Sumitomo Corporation and the Go-Ahead group.
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Do we own anything in this country anymore??2
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clive said:
New operator for Elizabeth line to include Tokyo Metro
Transport for London have announced a new group will take over the operation of Elizabeth line services from 2025.
The announcement states the group consists of Tokyo Metro, Sumitomo Corporation and the Go-Ahead group.
Must be expecting passenger numbers to increase…
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yes, the Elizabeth line, and the infrastructure, and as with all TfL services, a company runs the operation of trains and staff.carly burn said:Do we own anything in this country anymore??0 -
Its a good gag, but seriously, as a private investor I can hardly think of one with better relevant experience. Tokyo’s citizens love its metro. It recently carried out a wildly successful IPO, with a lot of small shareholders piling in, something not often seen in Japan. We’ll see, but it’s a whole lot better than say, letting Eurostar fall into the hands of the Wrong Kind of French (SNCF, merde alors!)TelMc32 said:clive said:New operator for Elizabeth line to include Tokyo Metro
Transport for London have announced a new group will take over the operation of Elizabeth line services from 2025.
The announcement states the group consists of Tokyo Metro, Sumitomo Corporation and the Go-Ahead group.
Must be expecting passenger numbers to increase…2 -
The ORR has released its 23/24 estimates of station usage. Incredibly the two platforms of the Tottenham Court Road crossrail station (this doesn't include the underground usage) see more passengers than Waterloo and twice as many as Birmingham New Street.
Estimates of station usage | ORR Data Portal2 -
Hmm, that doesn't sound right does it?Jints said:The ORR has released its 23/24 estimates of station usage. Incredibly the two platforms of the Tottenham Court Road crossrail station (this doesn't include the underground usage) see more passengers than Waterloo and twice as many as Birmingham New Street.
Estimates of station usage | ORR Data Portal
Or is it that TCR is busy throughout the day whereas Waterloo is very busy in the mornings and evenings but not so much during the day?0 -
It sounds odd, but there are lots of trains per hour and all of them have people both boarding and leaving. At Waterloo there's a limit to how many trins per hour there can be because they all use the same few tracks to come in and go out; on through lines like at TCR trains stop for much less time. So it's not a ridiculous idea. Still pretty astonishing though, assuming it's accurate.Off_it said:
Hmm, that doesn't sound right does it?Jints said:The ORR has released its 23/24 estimates of station usage. Incredibly the two platforms of the Tottenham Court Road crossrail station (this doesn't include the underground usage) see more passengers than Waterloo and twice as many as Birmingham New Street.
Estimates of station usage | ORR Data Portal
Or is it that TCR is busy throughout the day whereas Waterloo is very busy in the mornings and evenings but not so much during the day?0 -
Have said it before, the figures are not as impressive as initially sound as they have just cannibalised from other lines.For example might be say 1m journeys between the Essex stations and Liverpool Street but those million journeys were already there and being done down the same line via the existing trains companiesHave also lost the semi fast services from romford to London, now all the trains are stopping every station thru to Stratford.0
