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Honestly next season should be superb, you know Red Bull will have another step forward next season, Mercedes seem to be back on form and Ferrari need 2 things next season, a stronger development curve and a race strategist that actually knows a thing or two about F1 and we could have an epic year on our hands4
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The rivalry for me in the decade to come will be Russell and Verstappen I reckon. Lewis is approaching 40 and can’t go on forever. Russell isn’t afraid of a crash either - him and Max in equal cars is gonna be carnage!
EDIT - I agree with Leclerc it will be carnage. He HATES max from karting days6 -
If they're in equal or close machines I think Russell | Verstappen | Leclerc could be the biggest rivalry we've ever since - Partly because they're close in age, and have come through karting together... No offence to Norris or Piastri, but dont think they're quite at the same level of quality as those three.DamoNorthStand said:The rivalry for me in the decade to come will be Russell and Verstappen I reckon. Lewis is approaching 40 and can’t go on forever. Russell isn’t afraid of a crash either - him and Max in equal cars is gonna be carnage!
EDIT - I agree with Leclerc it will be carnage. He HATES max from karting days
This is probably the best weekend we've seen of Russell since Bahrain 20203 -
Just seen an interview with Mad Max…….the incident with Lewis was not his fault of course and he refused to give any hint regarding his vengeful action towards Perez, more like he didn’t want to admit to being a selfish self righteous arsehole.I never did like him very much and after seeing that interview, I feel perfectly justified in liking him even less.3
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DamoNorthStand said:The rivalry for me in the decade to come will be Russell and Verstappen I reckon. Lewis is approaching 40 and can’t go on forever. Russell isn’t afraid of a crash either - him and Max in equal cars is gonna be carnage!
EDIT - I agree with Leclerc it will be carnage. He HATES max from karting days
And I can't wait to watch that Damo. That's got the potential to be an absolutely spectacular rivalry. Throw in Leclerc if Ferrari get their act together and whoever replaces Lewis and you've got the makings of something very special.1 -
I think Verstappen was unlucky with the penalty, racing incident in my opinion, but certainly didn’t look that he was mostly at fault. Chickens coming home to roost for him, though. He never yields and consistently pushes the rules of engagement in overtaking to the limits - when you do that other drivers are going to be more aggressive and less forgiving to you than they might be to others.
Really really poor form from Verstappen at the end. Perez has been a fantastic wing man for him at times. I’m not surprised by it, he’s completely uncompromising. I don’t admire that quality but I’m sure he and his old man will argue it’s part of why he is where he is.
His team have themselves to blame too though - they’ve defended bad behaviour from him too often. It’s no wonder he feels untouchable.
Still and unlikable prick though.*Edit* I have now also heard his post race comments where he basically admits he knew him and Hamilton would collide, but didn’t care and didn’t make any effort to avoid it. If that, and the Checco thing, doesn’t hammer home that the dislike a lot of people have for him is not just about being Hamilton fans, then I don’t know what will. His true colours showed today, just like they did in Monza last season when Hamilton could’ve been seriously injured or worse in the crash they had and all Verstappen could think about was himself and blaming others. At least last season there was the excuse of an intense title fight. Weird thing today is there was absolutely no need for any of it.4 -
Also, ludicrous luck for Verstappen with the timing of the safety car again.1
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Sainz has been really getting to grips with the Ferrari recently too. He’s not absolutely top class but he’s bloody fast. I like Checco, but he might get a bit shown up by the other 5 drivers if Red Bull, Merc and Ferrari are all evenly matched.sam3110 said:Honestly next season should be superb, you know Red Bull will have another step forward next season, Mercedes seem to be back on form and Ferrari need 2 things next season, a stronger development curve and a race strategist that actually knows a thing or two about F1 and we could have an epic year on our hands
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Sky probably had to suck up to Red Bull this weekend after the Kravitz comments on Abu Dhabi 21 in Mexico, so may have not been entirely analytical or objective in the Hamilton Verstappen contact.
It happened immediately after the ending of the first safety car and the stewards will have looked at MV's position at the Safety car line. Sky did not. He has a tendency to pull alongside the car in front before the safety car line to gain advantage but this has been become a no no after last year. That may well be the reason he was ahead at the first corner and the reason he got the penalty.
Questioning Sky over the constant shots of Angela Cullen is pointless since they take the feed from F1 for most of the GPs, who in turn contract local broadcasters, rather than ship tons of tv equipment around the world. Yes, she is a prominent figure in the 7 times world champions team and is shown by F1 tv to promote the concept of equality in a male dominated sport. I agree that she gets more than her fair share of exposure, but if you watch F1 on French tv it is the same, so not just Sky on this one.2 -
I didn’t like Verstappen’s father when he was in F1 and he’s bred a son in his own image (i.e. a Verstappen can’t lose, etc.!), so it’s no surprise that Verstappen would rather crash out of a race than pull out of a risky manœuvre.
Glad to see a Merc 1-2 yesterday with 2 brits! Made up for Saturday’s football!0 - Sponsored links:
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Verstappen relies on the fact that the other drivers think he is mad enough not to yield and have a crash. Ie he is bullying them.It will be interesting if next year the No2 drivers are told not to get out of his way.2
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Sorry for going off on a tangent here but had a very interesting conversation on Saturday at WHL which I thought is worth sharing.
I work at Imperial College in the Dept of Aeronautics, as an Accountant looking after Research funds and one of the Academics I look after has been a ST holder since the early 90s and he offered me a spare for the Leeds game.
We're having a beer pre-game and talking about everything else, we got on to his research. He is the world's leading expert in carbon fibre faliure. How carbon fibre reacts under stress and that sort of thing. Planes crashes... and F1 crashes.
Yes, this is the man that analysed Ayrton Senna's crash at Imola in 1994 and defended the Williams engineers Patrick Head and Adrian Newey in an Italian court.
I'm standing there with a pint of neck oil in my hand absolutely gob smacked because I remember watching that race and crash live at the time (as a lot of us would have done!) He explained they had concluded that the crash happened because of the faliure of the steering column.
Then the next minute, he's swearing at Emmerson Royale!
I'm visiting his laboratory next week for a tour.8 -
Lewis must love it after this weekend, as he'll know now he lives rent free in Max's head.
"Lewis wasn't going to give me space, and I wasn't going to yield"
"At least crashing into Lewis, meant he couldn't win the race"
Ironic after trying to suggest that the contact between him and Lewis wasnt his fault - Well if you know the other driver isn't going to give you room, you don't continue to go for the gap do you7 -
Totally changed my mind on the penalty after hearing Max speak. Originally I was saying it was harsh but he’s basically admitted he has gone in to smash someone off. Guy is a grade A prick5
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Ollie Bearman has confirmed he'll be racing with Prema in F2 next season2
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If he continues his development there's every chance he's replacing Hulkenberg at Haas in 2024.ForeverAddickted said:Ollie Bearman has confirmed he'll be racing with Prema in F2 next season1 -
Small world. I was offered a job at Aeronautics about 20 years ago. I remember they had a wind tunnel there donated by Honda F1. It look a very interesting place to work but I turned down the job as I had a similar offer from UCL. Easier to get to for me and the money at the time was a few pounds more. I have often wondered if I had made the right choice.JohnBoyUK said:Sorry for going off on a tangent here but had a very interesting conversation on Saturday at WHL which I thought is worth sharing.
I work at Imperial College in the Dept of Aeronautics, as an Accountant looking after Research funds and one of the Academics I look after has been a ST holder since the early 90s and he offered me a spare for the Leeds game.
We're having a beer pre-game and talking about everything else, we got on to his research. He is the world's leading expert in carbon fibre faliure. How carbon fibre reacts under stress and that sort of thing. Planes crashes... and F1 crashes.
Yes, this is the man that analysed Ayrton Senna's crash at Imola in 1994 and defended the Williams engineers Patrick Head and Adrian Newey in an Italian court.
I'm standing there with a pint of neck oil in my hand absolutely gob smacked because I remember watching that race and crash live at the time (as a lot of us would have done!) He explained they had concluded that the crash happened because of the faliure of the steering column.
Then the next minute, he's swearing at Emmerson Royale!
I'm visiting his laboratory next week for a tour.2 -
ForeverAddickted said:Ollie Bearman has confirmed he'll be racing with Prema in F2 next season
This is amazing for me - in that Ollie was team mates with my son Jacob in British Championship karting for 3 years. Ollie and his old man Dave were great, and Ollie clearly was a special talent. Jacob has since given up as it became clear I didnt possess the millions to progress, but still seems odd seeing old race results online where there are a couple of tenths between them.
Ollie is the best wheel to wheel racer I ever saw in karts. His ability at coming through the field from the back was crazy good.4 -
Oh wow, small world indeed. I've spent the last 22 years working in London Unis at KCL, Birkbeck, QMUL and now ICL but its the first time I've been embedded in an Academic Dept. Its so more interesting being involved departmentally than being based in central services.charltonkeston said:
Small world. I was offered a job at Aeronautics about 20 years ago. I remember they had a wind tunnel there donated by Honda F1. It look a very interesting place to work but I turned down the job as I had a similar offer from UCL. Easier to get to for me and the money at the time was a few pounds more. I have often wondered if I had made the right choice.JohnBoyUK said:Sorry for going off on a tangent here but had a very interesting conversation on Saturday at WHL which I thought is worth sharing.
I work at Imperial College in the Dept of Aeronautics, as an Accountant looking after Research funds and one of the Academics I look after has been a ST holder since the early 90s and he offered me a spare for the Leeds game.
We're having a beer pre-game and talking about everything else, we got on to his research. He is the world's leading expert in carbon fibre faliure. How carbon fibre reacts under stress and that sort of thing. Planes crashes... and F1 crashes.
Yes, this is the man that analysed Ayrton Senna's crash at Imola in 1994 and defended the Williams engineers Patrick Head and Adrian Newey in an Italian court.
I'm standing there with a pint of neck oil in my hand absolutely gob smacked because I remember watching that race and crash live at the time (as a lot of us would have done!) He explained they had concluded that the crash happened because of the faliure of the steering column.
Then the next minute, he's swearing at Emmerson Royale!
I'm visiting his laboratory next week for a tour.
The facilities at ICL and in Aero are unbelievably good. We've got wind tunnels on/off site, the flight simulator is one that the airlines use to train pilots. Never seen stuff like it up close.
They're working on stuff like materials that are dual purpose, like carbon fibre but which holds an electric charge, so removing the need for battery cells, put that into context with the likes of F1, sustainable aviation and net zero etc. Aircraft made with stronger, lighter materials. Aircraft powered by batteries. We're working with F1 teams, aircraft manufacturers like Boeing and Airbus. Then there's stuff like rocket engineering and drone technology. Makes the mind boggle, it really does!
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Looks like Ferrari are replacing Binotto with Frederic Vasseur as their Team Principle
Not overly surprised to see the change - Although think the Head Strategist at Ferrari needs replacing too - Vasseur will be an interesting choice, coming across from Alfa Romeo, and having worked with Leclerc @ Sauber1 - Sponsored links:
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Universities are interesting places to work if you be bothered to get involved in projects.JohnBoyUK said:
Oh wow, small world indeed. I've spent the last 22 years working in London Unis at KCL, Birkbeck, QMUL and now ICL but its the first time I've been embedded in an Academic Dept. Its so more interesting being involved departmentally than being based in central services.charltonkeston said:
Small world. I was offered a job at Aeronautics about 20 years ago. I remember they had a wind tunnel there donated by Honda F1. It look a very interesting place to work but I turned down the job as I had a similar offer from UCL. Easier to get to for me and the money at the time was a few pounds more. I have often wondered if I had made the right choice.JohnBoyUK said:Sorry for going off on a tangent here but had a very interesting conversation on Saturday at WHL which I thought is worth sharing.
I work at Imperial College in the Dept of Aeronautics, as an Accountant looking after Research funds and one of the Academics I look after has been a ST holder since the early 90s and he offered me a spare for the Leeds game.
We're having a beer pre-game and talking about everything else, we got on to his research. He is the world's leading expert in carbon fibre faliure. How carbon fibre reacts under stress and that sort of thing. Planes crashes... and F1 crashes.
Yes, this is the man that analysed Ayrton Senna's crash at Imola in 1994 and defended the Williams engineers Patrick Head and Adrian Newey in an Italian court.
I'm standing there with a pint of neck oil in my hand absolutely gob smacked because I remember watching that race and crash live at the time (as a lot of us would have done!) He explained they had concluded that the crash happened because of the faliure of the steering column.
Then the next minute, he's swearing at Emmerson Royale!
I'm visiting his laboratory next week for a tour.
The facilities at ICL and in Aero are unbelievably good. We've got wind tunnels on/off site, the flight simulator is one that the airlines use to train pilots. Never seen stuff like it up close.
They're working on stuff like materials that are dual purpose, like carbon fibre but which holds an electric charge, so removing the need for battery cells, put that into context with the likes of F1, sustainable aviation and net zero etc. Aircraft made with stronger, lighter materials. Aircraft powered by batteries. We're working with F1 teams, aircraft manufacturers like Boeing and Airbus. Then there's stuff like rocket engineering and drone technology. Makes the mind boggle, it really does!1 -
As a Ferrari fan, I'd sad to see Binotto leave, he seems a decent person (for F1 standards). But, it's always the case that someone pays the price.ForeverAddickted said:Looks like Ferrari are replacing Binotto with Frederic Vasseur as their Team Principle
Not overly surprised to see the change - Although think the Head Strategist at Ferrari needs replacing too - Vasseur will be an interesting choice, coming across from Alfa Romeo, and having worked with Leclerc @ Sauber
Vasseur is a bold choice IMO. He's very experienced, but still seems a bit of a gamble.1 -
Ahhhh.JohnBoyUK said:Sorry for going off on a tangent here but had a very interesting conversation on Saturday at WHL which I thought is worth sharing.
I work at Imperial College in the Dept of Aeronautics, as an Accountant looking after Research funds and one of the Academics I look after has been a ST holder since the early 90s and he offered me a spare for the Leeds game.
We're having a beer pre-game and talking about everything else, we got on to his research. He is the world's leading expert in carbon fibre faliure. How carbon fibre reacts under stress and that sort of thing. Planes crashes... and F1 crashes.
Yes, this is the man that analysed Ayrton Senna's crash at Imola in 1994 and defended the Williams engineers Patrick Head and Adrian Newey in an Italian court.
I'm standing there with a pint of neck oil in my hand absolutely gob smacked because I remember watching that race and crash live at the time (as a lot of us would have done!) He explained they had concluded that the crash happened because of the faliure of the steering column.
Then the next minute, he's swearing at Emmerson Royale!
I'm visiting his laboratory next week for a tour.
Will make sure I check in on you in the next couple of weeks John, after falling for that chestnut.
Make sure you have your Swiss Army knife in your pocket 😜😜1 -
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Binotto isn't the problem, the clowns in charge of strategy are, Adami, Padros and Rueda4
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If Binotto isnt gonna get rid of them though... As surely comes down to him?sam3110 said:Binotto isn't the problem, the clowns in charge of strategy are, Adami, Padros and Rueda
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Schmacher out...Hulkenberg in. Think it's the right thing to do...https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/636493940
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Verstappen says the media reporting of his refusal to hand Perez his place back is “disgusting” because they don’t know the whole story - which he still won’t reveal.
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Was disappointing that Verstappen had to stress that any comments to his family have been disgusting, since that moment @ Brazil - But equally should remember his own Mother posted a comment (which was seen before it was deleted), slagging off Perez for his post-Monaco partying with another woman.
Made me laugh, that Red Bull posted a Statement against the social media abuse from Brazil - Then hours later, posted an image @ Abu Dhabi of Verstappen's overtake on Hamilton, I mean talk about stoking the fire!! - I know they should be allowed to celebrate the win, as they did "nothing wrong", but could have chosen a better moment of the race to celebrate.
They're the Liverpool of F1... Never their fault, always the victims - They probably wont admit as to what pissed Red Bull off... If it is because Perez crashed deliberately @ Monaco, then it opens a mahusive can of worms0 -
Disagree... I think Drugovich or another youngster from F2 who has impressed would have been a better replacement, instead of an ageing driver who has had plenty of opportunities in the Sport now.CafcWest said:Schmacher out...Hulkenberg in. Think it's the right thing to do...https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/63649394
Only good thing, is it creates a potential route into F1 for Bearman, provided he wins F2 next year, and if Hulkenberg isn't on a very long Contract himself - How Haas have treated Schumacher at times this year (He's had his crashes, but has been consistently faster), whilst sucking off Magnussen though makes me feel that Haas would be a bad route for Ollie.2
