Just out of curiosity, so what's your thoughts on it all? The board fancied a laugh and loaned him out?
Or, alternatively, put some bloody work in developing a young player in need of support. They go on and on about how they want to buy in players cheap and sell them on for a profit as better players, but they're completely unwilling to make the effort with Tony, they'd rather drum him out because he's become a problem. Now if he was going round Ben Thatchering players or doing a Dani Osvaldo and threatening teammates with bricks then sure, you have no choice, but if he's just a bit of a pain in the arse who needs to do some growing up then it's ridiculous that we'd hand him over to a rival team with all the talent we know he has. Looking at the end of last season where he performed a rescue act and the start of this one he can obviously do it. If it's just fitness then send him on some laps. If it's general attitude then work on getting the best out of the individual like every other manager in every other industry has to. But no, instead of treating him like a young man who needs some developing they treat him like a piece of equipment; strip it out, sell it for parts, replace it with a different piece (and pray the other piece works. If not sod it and do the same thing again). Can't connect with a team like that
You don't think that they might have been making that effort since he arrived 9 months ago and finally they've had enough ?
But your idea about making him do some laps is a brilliant one. I'm very disappointed no-one on the coaching staff thought of that.
Giving up on a 21 year old after 9 months? Well, who could possibly criticise them then. An entire 9 months! You know what, sod loaning him out, we should just take him out behind Sparrows Lane and shoot him.
Obviously what I said about making him run laps was glib, but the main point is there's no reason why Watt should be so much more unfit than the other players if he's actually being carefully managed. It's so hard to find players with a level of talent almost unique to their level, and even harder to find that in a striker. The number of people shrugging their shoulders because they reckon Watt is unfit or immature is astonishing. Talent is the key, the rest can be taught or managed with a lot of hard work and effort
He is clearly a talent and one of the few players who gets fans out of their seats.
He is a different type of player from anyone else we have too.
But he can be very frustrating and doesn't always play for the team. And he doesn't look fit.
But if we move him on we have two very promising kids who will inevitably be up and down in KAG and Lookie plus three strikers out of contract in the summer in RVT, Reza and Mak. EDIT forgot about not fit Igor
Hardly building a long term squad as boasted about by the CEO at the Q and A whoever might come in on loan.
Are where is Sho-Shilva now? ICT still?
How much is moving on a disruptive and under performing player and how much is shifting out anyone on a good wage not in the first team for budget reasons ala Morro?
A bit of both I suspect but again our initial recruitment and our player retention have proved to be less than top notch.
It doesn't help that we have different coaches every few months either.
But Watt hasn't stuck anywhere for long which points to him being at least part of the problem and perhaps the largest part.
Finally, why is this in the SLP before the deal is done?
As has been said what if this decision is in part down to JE and JJ because of the negative affect his attitude has on the rest of the squad. We are playing better and winning again with out him and as has been said would take a fit Reza in this team over TW all day long TW is a luxury we can't afford at this moment in time
Highly talented sports people are very often flawed characters, it seems to be the price you have to pay to have a crowd pleaser in your team. The first manager who learns how to handle Watt will have a great player on his hands.
You don't think that they might have been making that effort since he arrived 9 months ago and finally they've had enough ?
But your idea about making him do some laps is a brilliant one. I'm very disappointed no-one on the coaching staff thought of that.
Who is the "they" though? The playing management has been in charge three weeks. Are we seriously meant to believe this is a decision for a 30-something lawyer based at The Valley, with her long experience of managing difficult professional footballers?
Dumbfounded by it all, I have been a firm believer that this club is moving in the right direction but some of the decisions are baffling.
We are now down to
Big Mac - Never gonna get you 10 in a season Reza - 1 decent game in the time he's been here, didn't want to be here but no other side wanted him Igor- Decent Striker but we faffed about for so long with he's injury he wanted out. Same story as Watt apparently bad attitude, didn't want train, fell out with the manager bollocks Vaz Tae - Who knows plucked from obscurity but has done it in small quantities before KAG- Too early the lad needed dropping earlier but had to play on Lookman - potential but to rely on the kid is pure stupid
Yann - no thanks been there want to be looking forward not back
At the start of the season I felt Igor and Watt would be formidable in this league both fully fit and yet we've managed to get both of them wanting to leave by the end of November
He must be a proper unlucky bstd to have had to have stropped over celtic,liege Scotland u21 and cafc with regards to how their run
Before Liège , he had a stop at Lierse SK in Belgium. Wasn't a success.
I thought that was a success because it led to the move to Standard Liege?
Loan to Lierse from Standard, wasn't it?
Like many people I am not sure about this one. It's not just one factor, pretty sure about that. When he arrived I was very much going on Belgian reports (and Celtic mates') that he has an attitude problem, and reported that on here. He very quickly rammed those words down my throat.
So I've been very disappointed that he did not seem to be fit at the start of the season. It also rapidly started to look like there was something going on in his head too. Very bad body language as @Clem_Snide has frequently said.
Yet again…two things. Firstly he is 21 years old. Anyone older than 30 who seeks to slag off his attitude might wish to take a look themselves (or themselves at 21). Secondly, I'm thinking about Vetokele. Another player brought back into action when it is quite obvious to the most casual observer that he is both physically and mentally unfit to play.
The mention of losing a few games to give this regime a kick up they a**e and maybe change their tact is lambasted sharply the moment it's suggested. Which I understand.
So if we don't want to lose any games,then we have to hope that the current system in place ,no matter how bad or unfit for purpose it is,has the best opportunity to win games.
So what if the people pulling the strings on the playing side decide that Tony Watt doesn't fit quite right into the dressing room and the style of football we need to play with limited resources to win some games?
Dumbfounded by it all, I have been a firm believer that this club is moving in the right direction but some of the decisions are baffling.
We are now down to
Big Mac - Never gonna get you 10 in a season Reza - 1 decent game in the time he's been here, didn't want to be here but no other side wanted him Igor- Decent Striker but we faffed about for so long with he's injury he wanted out. Same story as Watt apparently bad attitude, didn't want train, fell out with the manager bollocks Vaz Tae - Who knows plucked from obscurity but has done it in small quantities before KAG- Too early the lad needed dropping earlier but had to play on Lookman - potential but to rely on the kid is pure stupid
Yann - no thanks been there want to be looking forward not back
At the start of the season I felt Igor and Watt would be formidable in this league both fully fit and yet we've managed to get both of them wanting to leave by the end of November
First I've heard of that. Where did you hear this?
He must be a proper unlucky bstd to have had to have stropped over celtic,liege Scotland u21 and cafc with regards to how their run
Before Liège , he had a stop at Lierse SK in Belgium. Wasn't a success.
I thought that was a success because it led to the move to Standard Liege?
Loan to Lierse from Standard, wasn't it?
Like many people I am not sure about this one. It's not just one factor, pretty sure about that. When he arrived I was very much going on Belgian reports (and Celtic mates') that he has an attitude problem, and reported that on here. He very quickly rammed those words down my throat.
So I've been very disappointed that he did not seem to be fit at the start of the season. It also rapidly started to look like there was something going on in his head too. Very bad body language as @Clem_Snide has frequently said.
Yet again…two things. Firstly he is 21 years old. Anyone older than 30 who seeks to slag off his attitude might wish to take a look themselves (or themselves at 21). Secondly, I'm thinking about Vetokele. Another player brought back into action when it is quite obvious to the most casual observer that he is both physically and mentally unfit to play.
Something Isn't Right...
Nah was loaned from Celtic to Lierse, he then signed for Standard Liege in the summer upon his return to Celtic
He must be a proper unlucky bstd to have had to have stropped over celtic,liege Scotland u21 and cafc with regards to how their run
Before Liège , he had a stop at Lierse SK in Belgium. Wasn't a success.
I thought that was a success because it led to the move to Standard Liege?
Loan to Lierse from Standard, wasn't it?
Like many people I am not sure about this one. It's not just one factor, pretty sure about that. When he arrived I was very much going on Belgian reports (and Celtic mates') that he has an attitude problem, and reported that on here. He very quickly rammed those words down my throat.
So I've been very disappointed that he did not seem to be fit at the start of the season. It also rapidly started to look like there was something going on in his head too. Very bad body language as @Clem_Snide has frequently said.
Yet again…two things. Firstly he is 21 years old. Anyone older than 30 who seeks to slag off his attitude might wish to take a look themselves (or themselves at 21). Secondly, I'm thinking about Vetokele. Another player brought back into action when it is quite obvious to the most casual observer that he is both physically and mentally unfit to play.
Something Isn't Right...
Nah was loaned from Celtic to Lierse, he then signed for Standard Liege in the summer upon his return to Celtic
Once again stupid over the top comments ..... Fact is the club had little choice , disruptive influence around the training ground , and fell out big time with a fellow player that made it impossible to continue at the club Lot of talent but got to get his head together this is the third club to release him due his attitude of the pitch ...
Another ludicrous post without foundation. Baffling to think you know what you're talking about when the reality is you haven't the first idea.
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Johnnie Jackson ... 3-Goals (11.(4)-Appearances)
Tony Watt ... 3-Goals (15.(4)-Appearances)
Johann Gudmundsson ... 2-Goals (18.(2)-Apperances)
Reza Ghoochaniiejad ... 2-Goals (7.(5)-Appearances)
Simon Makienok ... 2-Goals (13.(3)-Apperances)
Appearances from the bench are the ones in brackets, and have simply done it in order from here... Link
You don't think that they might have been making that effort since he arrived 9 months ago and finally they've had enough ?
But your idea about making him do some laps is a brilliant one. I'm very disappointed no-one on the coaching staff thought of that.
Giving up on a 21 year old after 9 months? Well, who could possibly criticise them then. An entire 9 months! You know what, sod loaning him out, we should just take him out behind Sparrows Lane and shoot him.
Obviously what I said about making him run laps was glib, but the main point is there's no reason why Watt should be so much more unfit than the other players if he's actually being carefully managed. It's so hard to find players with a level of talent almost unique to their level, and even harder to find that in a striker. The number of people shrugging their shoulders because they reckon Watt is unfit or immature is astonishing. Talent is the key, the rest can be taught or managed with a lot of hard work and effort
He is clearly a talent and one of the few players who gets fans out of their seats.
He is a different type of player from anyone else we have too.
But he can be very frustrating and doesn't always play for the team. And he doesn't look fit.
But if we move him on we have two very promising kids who will inevitably be up and down in KAG and Lookie plus three strikers out of contract in the summer in RVT, Reza and Mak. EDIT forgot about not fit Igor
Hardly building a long term squad as boasted about by the CEO at the Q and A whoever might come in on loan.
Are where is Sho-Shilva now? ICT still?
How much is moving on a disruptive and under performing player and how much is shifting out anyone on a good wage not in the first team for budget reasons ala Morro?
A bit of both I suspect but again our initial recruitment and our player retention have proved to be less than top notch.
It doesn't help that we have different coaches every few months either.
But Watt hasn't stuck anywhere for long which points to him being at least part of the problem and perhaps the largest part.
Finally, why is this in the SLP before the deal is done?
TW is a luxury we can't afford at this moment in time
Only if it's financial.
We are now down to
Big Mac - Never gonna get you 10 in a season
Reza - 1 decent game in the time he's been here, didn't want to be here but no other side wanted him
Igor- Decent Striker but we faffed about for so long with he's injury he wanted out. Same story as Watt apparently bad attitude, didn't want train, fell out with the manager bollocks
Vaz Tae - Who knows plucked from obscurity but has done it in small quantities before
KAG- Too early the lad needed dropping earlier but had to play on
Lookman - potential but to rely on the kid is pure stupid
Yann - no thanks been there want to be looking forward not back
At the start of the season I felt Igor and Watt would be formidable in this league both fully fit and yet we've managed to get both of them wanting to leave by the end of November
Like many people I am not sure about this one. It's not just one factor, pretty sure about that. When he arrived I was very much going on Belgian reports (and Celtic mates') that he has an attitude problem, and reported that on here. He very quickly rammed those words down my throat.
So I've been very disappointed that he did not seem to be fit at the start of the season. It also rapidly started to look like there was something going on in his head too. Very bad body language as @Clem_Snide has frequently said.
Yet again…two things. Firstly he is 21 years old. Anyone older than 30 who seeks to slag off his attitude might wish to take a look themselves (or themselves at 21). Secondly, I'm thinking about Vetokele. Another player brought back into action when it is quite obvious to the most casual observer that he is both physically and mentally unfit to play.
Something Isn't Right...
The mention of losing a few games to give this regime a kick up they a**e and maybe change their tact is lambasted sharply the moment it's suggested. Which I understand.
So if we don't want to lose any games,then we have to hope that the current system in place ,no matter how bad or unfit for purpose it is,has the best opportunity to win games.
So what if the people pulling the strings on the playing side decide that Tony Watt doesn't fit quite right into the dressing room and the style of football we need to play with limited resources to win some games?
It seems to have worked so far.
Once again - you are arguing with yourself.
Don't tell me, he is not.
KM: Do you have any particular instructions this week, sir?
RD: What?
KM: Anything you want me to concentrate on?
RD: Wagebill
KM: Increase it?
RD: What?
KM: Do you want me to increase the wagebill?
RD: No!
KM: Oh... okay. Umm, how do you want me to do that?
RD: What?
KM: How do you want me to reduce the wagebill?
RD: Loans
KM: OK. Umm... which player do you want me to send out on loan?
RD: What?
KM: OK, thanks bye! click... brrr
RD: Hello? Hello..?
the injured Igor was off to Bolton not to long ago