Tony Watt to join Cardiff on loan (EDIT: Joined Until 16th January, Perm Deal Rumoured)
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Will there be anymore network players? We are now the best team in the network.
As NLA said signing below par players is nothing new.0 -
Polish Pete will come good16
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Perhaps he should go to Sheffield United and they can come good together.oohaahmortimer said:Polish Pete will come good
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Played 40 minutes so far for Randers in six league appearances, all off the bench. No goals.oohaahmortimer said:Polish Pete will come good
His one start in the cup he was subbed off after 66 mins.
And we're still paying part of his wages.
But a better prospect than Yann according to the Data Anal-ysis
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International loan so like with Tucudean he cant play for us now till next season...oohaahmortimer said:Polish Pete will come good
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'It's not a whinge it's an opinion and a look into the guys career so far - he's fallen out with 4 managers and a lot of squad members - this is a gamble and no time for a club like us to be gambling. Let's hope he fits like a glove, if he scores goals that's all we can ask.
And it's not a gamble in quality, as the guy has it in abundance. The guy's Ravel Morrison v2. IF we can change him then quality signing (for once), big IF though of course'
My post from January 6th when he was about to sign... It's funny how a bit of study towards a player tells you all, old tricks die hard and all that. It's a shame our recruitment involves heavily on pot luck, players to avoid previous injuries and overcome attitude problems etc., as more often than not it will start shining through.
I have absolutely no hatred towards TW, I think he's a talented troubled player trying to get back on track and being played around while doing so; he needs a stable club that will progress, not one that takes a step back every step forward... he finds good team mates and they are shipped elsewhere, his strike partner is someone new every week and as is his coaching team.2 -
You could see this as a positive of sorts.
As I understood it, Katrien and her recruiters signed players. Players THEY had identified, not the head coach.(although,she says otherwise which is bollox!)
It was the coaches job to get the best out of them. No arguments and they knew the score.
The reason for that being that every time you get a new coach you don't have to have a complete clear out of the playing staff the last failure chose (which would be costly when you appreciate how many we give the tin-tac these days!)
New coach,new ideas,same players.
Maybe the thought process is changing? Maybe Carol is being allowed to run his rule?
Progress.
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Henry "A few more buys where the jury is out or they haven't had enough time (Ba, Bergditch, Sarr)..."
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and put that down as really generous assessments. Ba and Bergdych stink the place up as badly as anyone I've seen in 23+ seasons at The Valley and Sarr is at best unexceptional with a consistent level of terrifying blunders.
I've got a lot of time for Russell Slade and if we assume he has input on his transfers then perhaps RS sees smthn to work with in TW. However TW's track record of boom and bust with the attendant stink about attitude/unpopularity has been repeated at every club since Celtic. My money is on him being a dick and they can never be accommodated in squads for long.
The more interesting aspect is what follows or rather does a replacement arrive? Short odds that TW has been chucked overboard to keep Charlton's player costs below the (arbitrarily?) designated threshold after the arrival of RVT. If my hunch is borne out then we can be sure that eff all has changed with the Douchebag's method. If TW does his usual and bucks up his ideas for a few weeks and secures himself a stay in Cardiff until May Roly will let him go on a free (like Morro).
If Harry Lennon is sold in January then we can park our expectations for good.
On balance TW seems to be a bad egg but it ain't him causing the worst stench around SE7.3 -
Who was the last network signing and how many other signings have been made since, genuinely don't know so if someone does the. Post it up here and we may see that they agree the network recruitment doesn't work and have changed their mind0
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The network finished the day he sold Standard Liege - the problem is that the structure of data analysts in Belgium leading the decision-making and relying on overseas scouts and an inexperienced lawyer negotiating with experienced agents persists.nth london addick said:Who was the last network signing and how many other signings have been made since, genuinely don't know so if someone does the. Post it up here and we may see that they agree the network recruitment doesn't work and have changed their mind
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Have we signed loads of duds this season then, from what's been said in the weds game and brum.we are playing decent football a.D those players were signed using that idea or came through the youth ranks
I think the data analysis route is a stupid idea and it's the same stupid idea that got Warburton the sack, but it's the way things seem to be going a %s approach to signings, some will work and a high % won't it's the not paying too much and then getting rid of the ones that don't work quickly so others may not realise they are dud1 -
Good riddance if he is leading younger players astray and being disruptive. I am a big fan of Watt but, in his last few games, to say it was frustrating watching him lose the ball so many times is an understatement. Perhaps he was given free reign to do what he liked under Luzon we will never know. We know how good he can be so it won't be a shock to see him start off well at Cardiff. The big question is can he be consistently good for a whole season.0
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Hang on, that's twisting the issue a bit. Agreed, every club makes bad signings, but it's the proportion and context that counts. Can't think of many shit Powell signings, but the ones that were rubbish were generally a demonstration of circumstance. Salim Kerkar was rubbish, but he was signed in a season where we had no money and he was all that was available. Same with Church and Sordell; we were weeks away from the start of the season and had only Yann as a striker. They were a freebie and a loan, because that was what we could afford. Now though we're backed by a rich investor who has connections all over Europe and should be able to bring quality in, but instead we saw firstly worthless Network cast offs when the ownership couldn't understand the challenge of the league, and now unfit, unprepared players who are cheap precisely because they're unwanted at their club and have barely played. Not one single Network signing has been a true success, and the post-Network signings have hardly been a rousing list of successes. People are at the end of their resolve because 90% of the signings under this wealthy owner aren't good enoughnth london addick said:We have always made mistakes signing players since pardew we have signed shit players, dowie signed shit parkinson signed shit, Powell signed shit, they all do it this lot are no different
It's just highlighted more now because people are at the end of their resolve, we have been in decline for yrs, culminating in us being in the third division, we are back in the second division and people are getting more pissed off,
On the km and Rd out threads people don't k ow if they want to put the club in more debt to sign players or suffer with the way it's run,
Watt isn't the example of shit recruitment that's the Pawell abbots, traore, nego, the lad from Everton etc
You could list from each season failures, watt was a useful player who scored important goals but now is more problematic than those goals
This board ain't perfect they have many issues that's clear but we shouldn't cloud the water with watt being an example of mismanagement, it's just the sort of signing we should all want to see, young skillfull edgy but not the finished article and worth a chance22 -
But they have been good enough to stay in the league, and surely that on its own is some success, the issue is football clubs now use data analysis not just us but numerous clubs, it's way Warburton was sacked for example,
The issue is people want more than what they ate getting whilst it seems as long as cafc do not get relegated Rd is happy, that's how it seems to me,
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Strongly disagree 90% aren't/weren't good enough.5
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But isn't this the confusion? It does appear that RD is happy if we are not relegated - so what is he getting out of it? We will lose money every year unless we sell a player for a large sum, and even then the best he can hope for is that we break even.nth london addick said:But they have been good enough to stay in the league, and surely that on its own is some success, the issue is football clubs now use data analysis not just us but numerous clubs, it's way Warburton was sacked for example,
The issue is people want more than what they ate getting whilst it seems as long as cafc do not get relegated Rd is happy, that's how it seems to me,
There is no sense to this - why is he even bothering?
His rationale, still, remains hidden.6 -
Easy to be happy if you set your expectations as low as juat staying up.nth london addick said:But they have been good enough to stay in the league, and surely that on its own is some success, the issue is football clubs now use data analysis not just us but numerous clubs, it's way Warburton was sacked for example,
The issue is people want more than what they ate getting whilst it seems as long as cafc do not get relegated Rd is happy, that's how it seems to me,
But the problem is that just staying up isn't enticing to players or most fans. Some end up leaving.
Meanwhile, RD loses money or at least the club debt to RD increases.
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His rationale is to prove it can be done. That he can beat the system. He's not doing it for money. Why would he bother. We are an experiment.stonemuse said:
But isn't this the confusion? It does appear that RD is happy if we are not relegated - so what is he getting out of it? We will lose money every year unless we sell a player for a large sum, and even then the best he can hope for is that we break even.nth london addick said:But they have been good enough to stay in the league, and surely that on its own is some success, the issue is football clubs now use data analysis not just us but numerous clubs, it's way Warburton was sacked for example,
The issue is people want more than what they ate getting whilst it seems as long as cafc do not get relegated Rd is happy, that's how it seems to me,
There is no sense to this - why is he even bothering?
His rationale, still, remains hidden.
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Watt, as far as the "Network" was concerned at the time wasn't a signing, he was moving an asset around, so it's not as if the Euro scouts bought him for us, they bought him for SL, so no different from Buyens or Bulot.
Watt came to us on a perm, Bulot wanted to come to us on a perm, but was a victim of the change of ownership while Buyens wanted to stay in Belgium.0 -
Staying in the league is the minimum we should all expect I am sure he is banking on us doing that every season and then he seems to be hoping that at some stage we over achieve and he hasn't burst the bank doing it.
What is the issue with that from am owners point of view, very little I'd say
From a fans Pont of view it's shit but it's lot better than Millwall felt come may this year
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Might not be yet.nth london addick said:
From a fans Pont of view it's shit but it's lot better than Millwall felt come may this year0 -
All about money ....he has not been disruptive at Charlton totally opposite he is liked in dressing room .....the guy is popular with other players and most of the fans .....this is a strange decision...2
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From what he said on Instagram it sounds like he wanted outjdsd42 said:All about money ....he has not been disruptive at Charlton totally opposite he is liked in dressing room .....the guy is popular with other players and most of the fans .....this is a strange decision...
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Where'd you get this from? Just looks like another cheap shot at the board.jdsd42 said:All about money ....he has not been disruptive at Charlton totally opposite he is liked in dressing room .....the guy is popular with other players and most of the fans .....this is a strange decision...
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The problem with his strategy is that we can under achieve too. In fact, it is more likely if you lack stability.0
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Depends what you mean by "burst the bank". He's still stuck with a £5m per year operating loss and the risk of a bigger one in League One if he falls off the tightrope, at which point the "asset" will also be worth less because the value is partly driven by proximity to the Premier League rewards. If he runs the club ineptly, which I'd suggest is the message of both the league table and the feedback from fans, he increases the losses and removes the chance of "overachievement". What's the issue with that from his point of view? The fact that it's expensive and utter pointless.nth london addick said:Staying in the league is the minimum we should all expect I am sure he is banking on us doing that every season and then he seems to be hoping that at some stage we over achieve and he hasn't burst the bank doing it.
What is the issue with that from am owners point of view, very little I'd say
From a fans Pont of view it's shit but it's lot better than Millwall felt come may this year7 -
Not at all just stating a fact ...I have no qualms with the board ....cheap or expensivecafc_harry said:
Where'd you get this from? Just looks like another cheap shot at the board.jdsd42 said:All about money ....he has not been disruptive at Charlton totally opposite he is liked in dressing room .....the guy is popular with other players and most of the fans .....this is a strange decision...
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Have we signed loads of duds this season then, from what's been said in the weds game and brum.we are playing decent football a.D those players were signed using that idea or came through the youth ranks
I think the data analysis route is a stupid idea and it's the same stupid idea that got Warburton the sack, but it's the way things seem to be going a %s approach to signings, some will work and a high % won't it's the not paying too much and then getting rid of the ones that don't work quickly so others may not realise they are dud
We do seem to have signed a number of players who whether they are "duds" or not are struggling to play regularly in the Championship because they aren't up to it physically. That might be coincidence or it might be a structural flaw in his ideas - the truth is probably somewhere in between.1 -
What did he say on Instagram?Leeds_Addick said:
From what he said on Instagram it sounds like he wanted outjdsd42 said:All about money ....he has not been disruptive at Charlton totally opposite he is liked in dressing room .....the guy is popular with other players and most of the fans .....this is a strange decision...
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two people that have strong links to the club have suggested otherwise.jdsd42 said:
Not at all just stating a fact ...I have no qualms with the board ....cheap or expensivecafc_harry said:
Where'd you get this from? Just looks like another cheap shot at the board.jdsd42 said:All about money ....he has not been disruptive at Charlton totally opposite he is liked in dressing room .....the guy is popular with other players and most of the fans .....this is a strange decision...
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