It sounds like he's a disruption and, if that's the case, this is 100% the best thing to do. It doesn't say a lot for the scouts who recommended him in the first place. Along with the other player decisions that have been made, hopefully someone is starting to learn from this.
But then Watt wasn't signed by the Network for Charlton like Igor or Polish Pete, he was already at SL, and moved to Charlton
That doesnt matter though if they were scouted using the data analysis, I wish I had been mysrlf this season and more last to judge but I havent but on paper the squad looks more balanced and competitive to the one that started last season
OK - I reckon Chris Powell + the 2012/13 side that included Yann, Stephens, Morrison, Wiggins etc is much better than this one that we have right now. League standings suggest that as well considering our best finish in 4 years of the Championship has been with that Chris Powell side that came 9th.
Roland may have stabilised us financially, but from a footballing perspective he has completely messed us about. The league positions we have had under his reign tell that story.
The attendances also tell another story.
You can dress it up however you like, but the facts suggest that we've made very little progress on the pitch with this ownership. Off the pitch I don't recall fans feeling as disillusioned with it at all right now compared to the last 20 years.
We are in a relegation scrap NLA. And we are in one because of bad decision after bad decision. There is no 'master plan' that they have that is going to work!
9th was about 10 points off 20th that season. The Championship is a much tougher league this season than it was even 3 years ago. Progress is staying afloat
That doesnt matter though if they were scouted using the data analysis, I wish I had been mysrlf this season and more last to judge but I havent but on paper the squad looks more balanced and competitive to the one that started last season
OK - I reckon Chris Powell + the 2012/13 side that included Yann, Stephens, Morrison, Wiggins etc is much better than this one that we have right now. League standings suggest that as well considering our best finish in 4 years of the Championship has been with that Chris Powell side that came 9th.
Roland may have stabilised us financially, but from a footballing perspective he has completely messed us about. The league positions we have had under his reign tell that story.
The attendances also tell another story.
You can dress it up however you like, but the facts suggest that we've made very little progress on the pitch with this ownership. Off the pitch I don't recall fans feeling as disillusioned with it at all right now compared to the last 20 years.
We are in a relegation scrap NLA. And we are in one because of bad decision after bad decision. There is no 'master plan' that they have that is going to work!
9th was about 10 points off 20th that season. The Championship is a much tougher league this season than it was even 3 years ago. Progress is staying afloat
So do you think that on the pitch we are better off now than we were then?
That doesnt matter though if they were scouted using the data analysis, I wish I had been mysrlf this season and more last to judge but I havent but on paper the squad looks more balanced and competitive to the one that started last season
It does.
It also looks very small, short on UK experience and injury prone.
And the comparison would be more valid with the squad that finished last season.
we're 1 point outside the drop zone.
I think the squad are better then that position but they need to stay fit and play as a team.
Ultimately the table doesn't lie.
Unless Chris Powell is in charge, the table lied putting us bottom!
I'm so fed up of getting attached to players only for them to disappear. I can take the poor attendances, losses and crap football but the constant turnover in players is getting hard to take. I rememver coming back from Reading away last season thinking we FINALLY had a prolific striker in Vetokele. Then I remember the excitement coming away from Huddersfield at home where Watt had a blinder and thinking that we had a special player who would have a long future with us. 8 months on and it's entirely likely that neither will ever play for us again. So demoralising.
194 likes 20m smakienokAll the best to my day-one mate @32tonywatt in Cardiff. Appreciate every hour together on and off the pitch. See you soon back in London bro
That doesnt matter though if they were scouted using the data analysis, I wish I had been mysrlf this season and more last to judge but I havent but on paper the squad looks more balanced and competitive to the one that started last season
It does.
It also looks very small, short on UK experience and injury prone.
And the comparison would be more valid with the squad that finished last season.
we're 1 point outside the drop zone.
I think the squad are better then that position but they need to stay fit and play as a team.
Ultimately the table doesn't lie.
Unless Chris Powell is in charge, the table lied putting us bottom!
After having the best players in the squad removed, not being able to make any signings that he wanted and a whole of poor quality network signings brought in.
That doesnt matter though if they were scouted using the data analysis, I wish I had been mysrlf this season and more last to judge but I havent but on paper the squad looks more balanced and competitive to the one that started last season
It does.
It also looks very small, short on UK experience and injury prone.
And the comparison would be more valid with the squad that finished last season.
we're 1 point outside the drop zone.
I think the squad are better then that position but they need to stay fit and play as a team.
Ultimately the table doesn't lie.
Unless Chris Powell is in charge, the table lied putting us bottom!
That doesnt matter though if they were scouted using the data analysis, I wish I had been mysrlf this season and more last to judge but I havent but on paper the squad looks more balanced and competitive to the one that started last season
OK - I reckon Chris Powell + the 2012/13 side that included Yann, Stephens, Morrison, Wiggins etc is much better than this one that we have right now. League standings suggest that as well considering our best finish in 4 years of the Championship has been with that Chris Powell side that came 9th.
Roland may have stabilised us financially, but from a footballing perspective he has completely messed us about. The league positions we have had under his reign tell that story.
The attendances also tell another story.
You can dress it up however you like, but the facts suggest that we've made very little progress on the pitch with this ownership. Off the pitch I don't recall fans feeling as disillusioned with it at all right now compared to the last 20 years.
We are in a relegation scrap NLA. And we are in one because of bad decision after bad decision. There is no 'master plan' that they have that is going to work!
9th was about 10 points off 20th that season. The Championship is a much tougher league this season than it was even 3 years ago. Progress is staying afloat
So do you think that on the pitch we are better off now than we were then?
That doesnt matter though if they were scouted using the data analysis, I wish I had been mysrlf this season and more last to judge but I havent but on paper the squad looks more balanced and competitive to the one that started last season
OK - I reckon Chris Powell + the 2012/13 side that included Yann, Stephens, Morrison, Wiggins etc is much better than this one that we have right now. League standings suggest that as well considering our best finish in 4 years of the Championship has been with that Chris Powell side that came 9th.
Roland may have stabilised us financially, but from a footballing perspective he has completely messed us about. The league positions we have had under his reign tell that story.
The attendances also tell another story.
You can dress it up however you like, but the facts suggest that we've made very little progress on the pitch with this ownership. Off the pitch I don't recall fans feeling as disillusioned with it at all right now compared to the last 20 years.
We are in a relegation scrap NLA. And we are in one because of bad decision after bad decision. There is no 'master plan' that they have that is going to work!
9th was about 10 points off 20th that season. The Championship is a much tougher league this season than it was even 3 years ago. Progress is staying afloat
So do you think that on the pitch we are better off now than we were then?
Without injuries? Yes.
Entirely predictable injuries for players with a history, carrying an injury, not having played much and not being able to rest. The squad depth is abysmal. The whole squad may be cheaper, wages wise but that is the expense of any strength in depth or accounting for the type of the players that are being brought into the team. There is no overall change just a different set of weaknesses.
That doesnt matter though if they were scouted using the data analysis, I wish I had been mysrlf this season and more last to judge but I havent but on paper the squad looks more balanced and competitive to the one that started last season
It does.
It also looks very small, short on UK experience and injury prone.
And the comparison would be more valid with the squad that finished last season.
we're 1 point outside the drop zone.
I think the squad are better then that position but they need to stay fit and play as a team.
Ultimately the table doesn't lie.
Unless Chris Powell is in charge, the table lied putting us bottom!
After having the best players in the squad removed, not being able to make any signings that he wanted and a whole of poor quality network signings brought in.
That doesnt matter though if they were scouted using the data analysis, I wish I had been mysrlf this season and more last to judge but I havent but on paper the squad looks more balanced and competitive to the one that started last season
It does.
It also looks very small, short on UK experience and injury prone.
And the comparison would be more valid with the squad that finished last season.
we're 1 point outside the drop zone.
I think the squad are better then that position but they need to stay fit and play as a team.
Ultimately the table doesn't lie.
Unless Chris Powell is in charge, the table lied putting us bottom!
After having the best players in the squad removed, not being able to make any signings that he wanted and a whole of poor quality network signings brought in.
That doesnt matter though if they were scouted using the data analysis, I wish I had been mysrlf this season and more last to judge but I havent but on paper the squad looks more balanced and competitive to the one that started last season
OK - I reckon Chris Powell + the 2012/13 side that included Yann, Stephens, Morrison, Wiggins etc is much better than this one that we have right now. League standings suggest that as well considering our best finish in 4 years of the Championship has been with that Chris Powell side that came 9th.
Roland may have stabilised us financially, but from a footballing perspective he has completely messed us about. The league positions we have had under his reign tell that story.
The attendances also tell another story.
You can dress it up however you like, but the facts suggest that we've made very little progress on the pitch with this ownership. Off the pitch I don't recall fans feeling as disillusioned with it at all right now compared to the last 20 years.
We are in a relegation scrap NLA. And we are in one because of bad decision after bad decision. There is no 'master plan' that they have that is going to work!
9th was about 10 points off 20th that season. The Championship is a much tougher league this season than it was even 3 years ago. Progress is staying afloat
So do you think that on the pitch we are better off now than we were then?
Personally I think the Championship has got tougher with the money teams are pumping into it for the gamble of promotion, than it was say 3 years ago. Not massively, but I think it has got tougher. In part to parachute payments, increase of new wealthy owners etc.
I think the players we have now are better technical footballers in most cases with the ability to play better football, but the team back then had the spirit to grind out performances, which is equally as important.
With the right manager who can generate some good squad harmony I think this team could do very well, whilst playing well at that. However there is the problem, the manager. You can have quality players but if they aren't on the same wavelength or around long enough to gel, then what can you build? Stability is the key and not patchwork players to fill the gaps when we are in the brown stuff.
I think Watt is a great player but for squad harmony (if that is the reason) you need to get it right, the margin for error in this league is tiny and a player dividing the dressing room can make a massive different. He was cracking last season and gave us something to get behind and be excited about, his performances have been polar opposite at times this season. Sounds like he is happy enough to go, with Charlton feeling this is also the best thing they can do.
As per usual with the current owner and CEO they never seem to learn from their mistakes.
If you keep changing the manager you will have a surplus of players as the next manager may not rate some of them and they have to be moved on. As a consequence the club is going constantly round in circles.
If you get in players who have had problems in the past their is fair chance you will have issues. First Bikey now Watt.
All these problems are so avoidable, it's just so blooming frustrating we have an owner with money and a set of fans not demanding he bursts his own finances, but just uses what he currently puts into the club in a much more better way and not in the way he currently is as it will never work
Let's look at that squad another way; at how many appearances this squad made last season.
1. Stephen Henderson - 32 3. Ahmed Kashi - 19 4. Johnnie Jackson - 28 5. Patrick Bauer - 40 6. Naby Sarr - 19 7. Johann Berg Gudmundsson - 44 8. Jordan Cousins - 47 9. Simon Makienok - 11 10. Cristian Ceballos - 0 11. Callum Harriott - 23 12. Alou Diarra - 12 14. Igor Vetokele - 43 15. Reza Ghoochannejhad - 9 17. Tareiq Holmes-Dennis - 36 18. Karlan Ahearne-Grant - 6 19. Zakarya Bergdich - 30 20. Chris Solly - 38 21. Morgan Fox - 34 22. El-Hadji Ba - 7 24. Regan Charles-Cook - 0 26. Harry Lennon - 5 27. Dimitar Mitov - 0 30. Nick Pope - 31
So few players there made more than 40 appearances. Four players. One of those was Igor who was basically walking dead for a lot of those. The players I've highlighted in bold are this season's signings. Bauer, by far our most effective signing, is a great piece of business. Excellent defender, playing at a decent level, who played all of last season. The rest is a horror show though. How can you expect the like of Kashi, Ba and Makienok to come in and make an impact in a 46 game season in a brutally tough league? It's no wonder we've had so many injuries.
RD and KM are always looking for a way to beat the system. Firstly it was Network signings, but unfortunately it turned out that a right back playing in the Hungarian league wasn't quite good enough to change our season. So then it became plucking out players based on stats and price. There are decent players in there, but they're not capable of playing a full season. You can't beat the system and the sooner RD and KM realise that and invest properly and intelligently the better for everyone.
For the rest of the season and for the foreseeable future any replica football shirts sold will have Velcro numbers and names so they can easily be removed and replaced all the time the player revolving door continues to spin!!
@JohnnyH2 there has indeed been no stability but all of the managers were fired after dreadful dips in form, with the exception of Riga. Is it chicken and egg situation that the current regime self fulfills this prophecy or is our squad just too thin or both? It seems two be two steps backwards, one forward at every managerial change.
@JohnnyH2 there has indeed been no stability but all of the managers were fired after dreadful dips in form, with the exception of Riga. Is it chicken and egg situation that the current regime self fulfills this prophecy or is our squad just too thin or both? It seems two be two steps backwards, one forward at every managerial change.
Not keeping Riga was their biggest mistake. The managers (Peeters and Luzon)were fired after dips in form but both suffered with the following:-
. The owner gave them both too small a squad to work from . Neither were good enough for the job in the first place
We should have kept with Riga,the only good thing about the Belgians in charge is that we still have our Charlton Athletic,without the Belgium we would be dead and buried by now
The amount of stories of training ground/squad unrest that have come out in the last 18 months, whether true or not, makes the club sound like a soap opera.......This player not getting on with that player. This player humiliated by that manager. This player working with that manager before and not liking him. This group of experienced new players not getting on with another group of established players. This talented young lad whose head is "not right". Etc etc....
I don't know what of it is true, but surely the board must acknowledge that regularly employing and then sacking inexperienced managers is not helpful when controlling all the big egos that they themselves recruit to perform as a team on the pitch.
That doesnt matter though if they were scouted using the data analysis, I wish I had been mysrlf this season and more last to judge but I havent but on paper the squad looks more balanced and competitive to the one that started last season
Yet we are no better off. The reason for that is a mixture of the following.
1. Not retaining the right players. 2. Not buying the right players. 3. A string of inexperienced managers.
So yeah, you could say our recruitment strategy is completely up the wall, which is what many of us have been complaining about since RD took over.
That doesnt matter though if they were scouted using the data analysis, I wish I had been mysrlf this season and more last to judge but I havent but on paper the squad looks more balanced and competitive to the one that started last season
OK - I reckon Chris Powell + the 2012/13 side that included Yann, Stephens, Morrison, Wiggins etc is much better than this one that we have right now. League standings suggest that as well considering our best finish in 4 years of the Championship has been with that Chris Powell side that came 9th.
Roland may have stabilised us financially, but from a footballing perspective he has completely messed us about. The league positions we have had under his reign tell that story.
The attendances also tell another story.
You can dress it up however you like, but the facts suggest that we've made very little progress on the pitch with this ownership. Off the pitch I don't recall fans feeling as disillusioned with it at all right now compared to the last 20 years.
We are in a relegation scrap NLA. And we are in one because of bad decision after bad decision. There is no 'master plan' that they have that is going to work!
9th was about 10 points off 20th that season. The Championship is a much tougher league this season than it was even 3 years ago. Progress is staying afloat
So do you think that on the pitch we are better off now than we were then?
Personally I think the Championship has got tougher with the money teams are pumping into it for the gamble of promotion, than it was say 3 years ago. Not massively, but I think it has got tougher. In part to parachute payments, increase of new wealthy owners etc.
I think the players we have now are better technical footballers in most cases with the ability to play better football, but the team back then had the spirit to grind out performances, which is equally as important.
With the right manager who can generate some good squad harmony I think this team could do very well, whilst playing well at that. However there is the problem, the manager. You can have quality players but if they aren't on the same wavelength or around long enough to gel, then what can you build? Stability is the key and not patchwork players to fill the gaps when we are in the brown stuff.
I think Watt is a great player but for squad harmony (if that is the reason) you need to get it right, the margin for error in this league is tiny and a player dividing the dressing room can make a massive different. He was cracking last season and gave us something to get behind and be excited about, his performances have been polar opposite at times this season. Sounds like he is happy enough to go, with Charlton feeling this is also the best thing they can do.
Based on what you've said - it seems as though you are suggesting agreement we are worse off then?
That managerial factor is the key difference and it isn't changing for the better any time soon it seems.
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The biggest thing that stands out is we turn over players at a rate but each year we are getting youth through in decent numbers at a time
Better off - if you think we're better off football wise under Rd ......or
Worse off - I'm sure you can work it out
I'll start
Worse off
The academy seems to be producing the new crop and clearing out the undesired up top gives them a chance to play.
It's not going to win the premiership every year but we might not go bust in the mean time.
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smakienokAll the best to my day-one mate @32tonywatt in Cardiff. Appreciate every hour together on and off the pitch. See you soon back in London bro
(NB PL54 you are an eedjet)
Which bit especially annoyed you ?
I think the players we have now are better technical footballers in most cases with the ability to play better football, but the team back then had the spirit to grind out performances, which is equally as important.
With the right manager who can generate some good squad harmony I think this team could do very well, whilst playing well at that. However there is the problem, the manager. You can have quality players but if they aren't on the same wavelength or around long enough to gel, then what can you build? Stability is the key and not patchwork players to fill the gaps when we are in the brown stuff.
I think Watt is a great player but for squad harmony (if that is the reason) you need to get it right, the margin for error in this league is tiny and a player dividing the dressing room can make a massive different. He was cracking last season and gave us something to get behind and be excited about, his performances have been polar opposite at times this season. Sounds like he is happy enough to go, with Charlton feeling this is also the best thing they can do.
If you keep changing the manager you will have a surplus of players as the next manager may not rate some of them and they have to be moved on. As a consequence the club is going constantly round in circles.
If you get in players who have had problems in the past their is fair chance you will have issues. First Bikey now Watt.
All these problems are so avoidable, it's just so blooming frustrating we have an owner with money and a set of fans not demanding he bursts his own finances, but just uses what he currently puts into the club in a much more better way and not in the way he currently is as it will never work
1. Stephen Henderson - 32
3. Ahmed Kashi - 19
4. Johnnie Jackson - 28
5. Patrick Bauer - 40
6. Naby Sarr - 19
7. Johann Berg Gudmundsson - 44
8. Jordan Cousins - 47
9. Simon Makienok - 11
10. Cristian Ceballos - 0
11. Callum Harriott - 23
12. Alou Diarra - 12
14. Igor Vetokele - 43
15. Reza Ghoochannejhad - 9
17. Tareiq Holmes-Dennis - 36
18. Karlan Ahearne-Grant - 6
19. Zakarya Bergdich - 30
20. Chris Solly - 38
21. Morgan Fox - 34
22. El-Hadji Ba - 7
24. Regan Charles-Cook - 0
26. Harry Lennon - 5
27. Dimitar Mitov - 0
30. Nick Pope - 31
So few players there made more than 40 appearances. Four players. One of those was Igor who was basically walking dead for a lot of those. The players I've highlighted in bold are this season's signings. Bauer, by far our most effective signing, is a great piece of business. Excellent defender, playing at a decent level, who played all of last season. The rest is a horror show though. How can you expect the like of Kashi, Ba and Makienok to come in and make an impact in a 46 game season in a brutally tough league? It's no wonder we've had so many injuries.
RD and KM are always looking for a way to beat the system. Firstly it was Network signings, but unfortunately it turned out that a right back playing in the Hungarian league wasn't quite good enough to change our season. So then it became plucking out players based on stats and price. There are decent players in there, but they're not capable of playing a full season. You can't beat the system and the sooner RD and KM realise that and invest properly and intelligently the better for everyone.
It seems two be two steps backwards, one forward at every managerial change.
. The owner gave them both too small a squad to work from
. Neither were good enough for the job in the first place
The fault all our issues sits with the owner
Well not until a few weeks ago they didnt.
Just bizarre decision making.
Ask yourself why we're fighting for survival. Again. When it was completely avoidable. Again.
I don't know what of it is true, but surely the board must acknowledge that regularly employing and then sacking inexperienced managers is not helpful when controlling all the big egos that they themselves recruit to perform as a team on the pitch.
1. Not retaining the right players.
2. Not buying the right players.
3. A string of inexperienced managers.
So yeah, you could say our recruitment strategy is completely up the wall, which is what many of us have been complaining about since RD took over.
That managerial factor is the key difference and it isn't changing for the better any time soon it seems.