The 2% won't bother that woman and her puppetmaster at all. What should worry her are the banks of empty seats which grow week by week. I know it was a TV game but yesterday's miserable turnout - plus the way we 'played' on such a public forum as Sky - makes her 20,000 targets just seem laughable
Not forced upon but the view is stated above quite clearly, that if you dont see it your blind, you will live to rue the day, its being force fed if not forced upon there is no choice to ignore, without being told your wrong,
I watched it tonight on the TV, we played shit we lost, but I thought the whole protest looked disjointed and not supported by many at all infact it seemed like a lot of good hard effort went in to it but was lost because there were pockets of fans who looked like they believed more people near them felt the same and when the support around them never stood, they looked alone and embarrassed,
I dont know how that will change if it will at all but there needs to be a re think and a structure to match the efforts and Imo the focus shouldnt be on protesting but getting fans on board with the points being made
Then when support is larger and more widespread then look at protests
Totally disagree don't know how it came over on TV to be honest don't care, the (lack of ) numbers in the ground showed how our support is going.
To get circa 50% g up the poster at Charlton shows how pissed off people are and people at the ground who had not previously heard about the campaign were certainly talking about it!
The vast majority of those holding them up were in the nth stand, most were already aware of the protest as the demographic fan base up there is one that uses social media and voice their opinions on it, for tie protest to work correctly you need more than those fans
Ignoring the rude and agressive comments to the people handing them out,
acknowledgement of the volunteers experience on the day and there is a very large number of fans who just dont agree and dont want to have others telling them, they dont care enough, their blind to the truth or they can have a love in with Km,
From the begining I said the divisions in the fan base is the biggest obstacle to over come, and not solely getting the point across to km and Rd,
If that doesn't get resolved the next leaflet drop I can see someone reporting back a more physical response being aimed towards them
Theres those in protest who want different outcomes, let alone outside of that, focus on the hearts and minds and then see, but the biggest acceptance needs to be that this will take a long time, just because it might mean the work and message is not so visible but it will be just as important
I for one realise it will take a long time.
In football terms we've only got to the pre-match warm up.
Yet some are booing from the stands already and others are already analysing the result.
Fact is Stand up for the 2% worked. End of.
It disproved the CEO'S silly claim that it was only 2% who are unhappy.
It got publicity in the fan base. Even those who oppose it are discussing it and it will be a lot more than two weeks ago. And it got into the media. It worked. It was a success.
No one involved expected 100% of people to know about it or join in but that seems to be the bar being set by critics.
Spell it out is 6 weeks old. That's all. Put it in that perspective.
It's outgrown it's internet start in life and now exists in the real world.
It's also found a new champion and leader. My John the Baptist role is diminishing to just spreading the word. The miracle of the 10k leaflets has been seen.
The campaign continues.
The aims of
Professionalism
Transparency
Business focus and
Teamwork
Remain
Quite extraordinary.
And before you flag, I was on my feet in the Upper West with my 2% flyer.
Not forced upon but the view is stated above quite clearly, that if you dont see it your blind, you will live to rue the day, its being force fed if not forced upon there is no choice to ignore, without being told your wrong,
I watched it tonight on the TV, we played shit we lost, but I thought the whole protest looked disjointed and not supported by many at all infact it seemed like a lot of good hard effort went in to it but was lost because there were pockets of fans who looked like they believed more people near them felt the same and when the support around them never stood, they looked alone and embarrassed,
I dont know how that will change if it will at all but there needs to be a re think and a structure to match the efforts and Imo the focus shouldnt be on protesting but getting fans on board with the points being made
Then when support is larger and more widespread then look at protests
Totally disagree don't know how it came over on TV to be honest don't care, the (lack of ) numbers in the ground showed how our support is going.
To get circa 50% g up the poster at Charlton shows how pissed off people are and people at the ground who had not previously heard about the campaign were certainly talking about it!
The vast majority of those holding them up were in the nth stand, most were already aware of the protest as the demographic fan base up there is one that uses social media and voice their opinions on it, for tie protest to work correctly you need more than those fans
Ignoring the rude and agressive comments to the people handing them out,
acknowledgement of the volunteers experience on the day and there is a very large number of fans who just dont agree and dont want to have others telling them, they dont care enough, their blind to the truth or they can have a love in with Km,
From the begining I said the divisions in the fan base is the biggest obstacle to over come, and not solely getting the point across to km and Rd,
If that doesn't get resolved the next leaflet drop I can see someone reporting back a more physical response being aimed towards them
Theres those in protest who want different outcomes, let alone outside of that, focus on the hearts and minds and then see, but the biggest acceptance needs to be that this will take a long time, just because it might mean the work and message is not so visible but it will be just as important
I for one realise it will take a long time.
In football terms we've only got to the pre-match warm up.
Yet some are booing from the stands already and others are already analysing the result.
Fact is Stand up for the 2% worked. End of.
It disproved the CEO'S silly claim that it was only 2% who are unhappy.
It got publicity in the fan base. Even those who oppose it are discussing it and it will be a lot more than two weeks ago. And it got into the media. It worked. It was a success.
No one involved expected 100% of people to know about it or join in but that seems to be the bar being set by critics.
Spell it out is 6 weeks old. That's all. Put it in that perspective.
It's outgrown it's internet start in life and now exists in the real world.
It's also found a new champion and leader. My John the Baptist role is diminishing to just spreading the word. The miracle of the 10k leaflets has been seen.
The campaign continues.
The aims of
Professionalism
Transparency
Business focus and
Teamwork
Remain
Quite extraordinary.
And before you flag, I was on my feet in the Upper West with my 2% flyer.
What's the actual attendance. Looks on TV as if it has to be under 10,000
I reckon about 6,000 home fans
If there are the best part of 3k in the away end I estimate about 8 or 9 k in the home ends.
Do you mean the home end? What about the sides? There is so much ''bigging up'' on this subject by any perspective. Apart from the North End the whole ''protest'' was a fiasco. Hundreds of supporters were refusing the flyers in Floyd Road, not forgetting those who screwed them up and threw them away. Is it not time to ''get real''?
The North End is otherwise known as the Covered End.
Not forced upon but the view is stated above quite clearly, that if you dont see it your blind, you will live to rue the day, its being force fed if not forced upon there is no choice to ignore, without being told your wrong,
I watched it tonight on the TV, we played shit we lost, but I thought the whole protest looked disjointed and not supported by many at all infact it seemed like a lot of good hard effort went in to it but was lost because there were pockets of fans who looked like they believed more people near them felt the same and when the support around them never stood, they looked alone and embarrassed,
I dont know how that will change if it will at all but there needs to be a re think and a structure to match the efforts and Imo the focus shouldnt be on protesting but getting fans on board with the points being made
Then when support is larger and more widespread then look at protests
Totally disagree don't know how it came over on TV to be honest don't care, the (lack of ) numbers in the ground showed how our support is going.
To get circa 50% g up the poster at Charlton shows how pissed off people are and people at the ground who had not previously heard about the campaign were certainly talking about it!
The vast majority of those holding them up were in the nth stand, most were already aware of the protest as the demographic fan base up there is one that uses social media and voice their opinions on it, for tie protest to work correctly you need more than those fans
Ignoring the rude and agressive comments to the people handing them out,
acknowledgement of the volunteers experience on the day and there is a very large number of fans who just dont agree and dont want to have others telling them, they dont care enough, their blind to the truth or they can have a love in with Km,
From the begining I said the divisions in the fan base is the biggest obstacle to over come, and not solely getting the point across to km and Rd,
If that doesn't get resolved the next leaflet drop I can see someone reporting back a more physical response being aimed towards them
Theres those in protest who want different outcomes, let alone outside of that, focus on the hearts and minds and then see, but the biggest acceptance needs to be that this will take a long time, just because it might mean the work and message is not so visible but it will be just as important
I for one realise it will take a long time.
In football terms we've only got to the pre-match warm up.
Yet some are booing from the stands already and others are already analysing the result.
Fact is Stand up for the 2% worked. End of.
It disproved the CEO'S silly claim that it was only 2% who are unhappy.
It got publicity in the fan base. Even those who oppose it are discussing it and it will be a lot more than two weeks ago. And it got into the media. It worked. It was a success.
No one involved expected 100% of people to know about it or join in but that seems to be the bar being set by critics.
Spell it out is 6 weeks old. That's all. Put it in that perspective.
It's outgrown it's internet start in life and now exists in the real world.
It's also found a new champion and leader. My John the Baptist role is diminishing to just spreading the word. The miracle of the 10k leaflets has been seen.
The campaign continues.
The aims of
Professionalism
Transparency
Business focus and
Teamwork
Remain
Quite extraordinary.
And before you flag, I was on my feet in the Upper West with my 2% flyer.
Humour is lost on some people.
Not when it's funny it isn't.
So you admit it was humour but you didn't find it funny.
Not forced upon but the view is stated above quite clearly, that if you dont see it your blind, you will live to rue the day, its being force fed if not forced upon there is no choice to ignore, without being told your wrong,
I watched it tonight on the TV, we played shit we lost, but I thought the whole protest looked disjointed and not supported by many at all infact it seemed like a lot of good hard effort went in to it but was lost because there were pockets of fans who looked like they believed more people near them felt the same and when the support around them never stood, they looked alone and embarrassed,
I dont know how that will change if it will at all but there needs to be a re think and a structure to match the efforts and Imo the focus shouldnt be on protesting but getting fans on board with the points being made
Then when support is larger and more widespread then look at protests
Totally disagree don't know how it came over on TV to be honest don't care, the (lack of ) numbers in the ground showed how our support is going.
To get circa 50% g up the poster at Charlton shows how pissed off people are and people at the ground who had not previously heard about the campaign were certainly talking about it!
acknowledgement of the volunteers experience on the day and there is a very large number of fans who just dont agree and dont want to have others telling them, they dont care enough, their blind to the truth or they can have a love in with Km,
Well that wasn't my experience giving them out. I wouldn't say it was a very large number at all, the opposite, but it was the angst or in some cases aggression of those that surprised. On reflection I think that a lot of those that gave the not particularly pleasant reaction was more down to them not liking other Charlton fans and this providing opportunity, rather than them being content with how the Club is going.
As for saying it was born from being being told they don't care enough, their blind to the truth etc...those actually at the game will tell you the distribution was either silent or 'can I give you a leaflet explaining today's protest'. Those giving them out were careful not to promote in an antagonistic way for precisely that reason.
Dan read the posts on here I never said at the ground its how it comes across here
if people suggest they dont agree with whats being said thats exactly what is being told they don't care enough, their blind to the truth, burying their head, happy with shit being served up
I quoted from three posts after wiwlb post about his view on the day, and the reaction from that post and its the same after most posts who dont support or agree
The biggest issue cafc fans face is other cafc fans and how to deal with their conflicting opinions
the protest served a purpose yes,
Was it a success? I dont think it failed but I would not say it looked impressive nor well supported as in my opinion it didnt look great or impactful enough to make a big enough statement
Joe deserves a huge acknowledgement for his leadership and I have told him that personally via pm
But its limited now if you dont gain a higher % of support away from the nth stand,
The black and white campaign yes henners I was acknowledging it before you posted as the most essential and continual tool to use and its merits to contiue to be visible whilst the next phase is structured,
This campaign wont fall over due to RD and km not taking note it will fall down through internal cafc fans inabilty to unite,
I think the campaign needs to step and scale back, Joe needs to continue to take the mantle and not drop into the back ground its his age group that needs to form the future fan input into the way the Club is acknowledging its customers
people then need to get their heads around how the hell you unite a higher proportion of the fan base,
But push the black and white colours hard and remind people that black and white is not alien to the clubs kit colour and the message behind its re birth in 2015,
2% posters had one remit - show KM she was wrong about the level of satisfaction. Job done. Not sure what the post mortem is for with regards to the protest.
Now we move on to the next thing.
I for one didn't expect major changes after the protest, but it's about keeping the pressure up.
Marathon not a sprint.
KM was ridiculed in front the SKY cameras. Their coverage of it was excellent.
Spell it Out worked. It was great and a lot of people couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery, let alone a 10,000 leaflet campaign against the owners of a club that began online. Major respect to all of you involved. I was proud to hold mine up.
Not forced upon but the view is stated above quite clearly, that if you dont see it your blind, you will live to rue the day, its being force fed if not forced upon there is no choice to ignore, without being told your wrong,
I watched it tonight on the TV, we played shit we lost, but I thought the whole protest looked disjointed and not supported by many at all infact it seemed like a lot of good hard effort went in to it but was lost because there were pockets of fans who looked like they believed more people near them felt the same and when the support around them never stood, they looked alone and embarrassed,
I dont know how that will change if it will at all but there needs to be a re think and a structure to match the efforts and Imo the focus shouldnt be on protesting but getting fans on board with the points being made
Then when support is larger and more widespread then look at protests
Totally disagree don't know how it came over on TV to be honest don't care, the (lack of ) numbers in the ground showed how our support is going.
To get circa 50% g up the poster at Charlton shows how pissed off people are and people at the ground who had not previously heard about the campaign were certainly talking about it!
The vast majority of those holding them up were in the nth stand, most were already aware of the protest as the demographic fan base up there is one that uses social media and voice their opinions on it, for tie protest to work correctly you need more than those fans
Ignoring the rude and agressive comments to the people handing them out,
acknowledgement of the volunteers experience on the day and there is a very large number of fans who just dont agree and dont want to have others telling them, they dont care enough, their blind to the truth or they can have a love in with Km,
From the begining I said the divisions in the fan base is the biggest obstacle to over come, and not solely getting the point across to km and Rd,
If that doesn't get resolved the next leaflet drop I can see someone reporting back a more physical response being aimed towards them
Theres those in protest who want different outcomes, let alone outside of that, focus on the hearts and minds and then see, but the biggest acceptance needs to be that this will take a long time, just because it might mean the work and message is not so visible but it will be just as important
I for one realise it will take a long time.
In football terms we've only got to the pre-match warm up.
Yet some are booing from the stands already and others are already analysing the result.
Fact is Stand up for the 2% worked. End of.
It disproved the CEO'S silly claim that it was only 2% who are unhappy.
It got publicity in the fan base. Even those who oppose it are discussing it and it will be a lot more than two weeks ago. And it got into the media. It worked. It was a success.
No one involved expected 100% of people to know about it or join in but that seems to be the bar being set by critics.
Spell it out is 6 weeks old. That's all. Put it in that perspective.
It's outgrown it's internet start in life and now exists in the real world.
It's also found a new champion and leader. My John the Baptist role is diminishing to just spreading the word. The miracle of the 10k leaflets has been seen.
The campaign continues.
The aims of
Professionalism
Transparency
Business focus and
Teamwork
Remain
Quite extraordinary.
And before you flag, I was on my feet in the Upper West with my 2% flyer.
Humour is lost on some people.
Not when it's funny it isn't.
So you admit it was humour but you didn't find it funny.
Fair enough, it wasn't for you anyway.
I'll admit it was attempted humour but your increasingly peculiar conceit occasionally muddies the issue.And why, exactly, wasn't it for me? No matter, I like/agree with 90% of what you post, but we can't all be perfect can we?
Whatever protests happen for the rest of the season, the deciding and ultimate one will be season ticket sales.
Particularly if we go down this season.
Even if we went down and Roland continued as owner, I still don't think I could give up my season ticket and I'm sure many supporters feel the same. It's therefore important that those who still attend, can find a way to show their disapproval at the way the club is being run. Hopefully we'll continue to see an increase in the no of black and white scarves within the ground.
Like society, as a fan base we have people with diverse beliefs, backgrounds and attitudes.
There are some people who are simply embarrassed by the protest/ongoing demos for whatever reason as it doesn't fit with a certain image of a football supporter.
There are others who are pushing it hard and it can be seen as preaching.
Yes, some simply don't care.
Then there are some who fall in between all three and want to do something but not sure what so are trying out different things.
Those who volunteered yesterday, including myself, fall into the last group from what I saw and who I met. There was no need for anyone yesterday to get verbal abuse but it happened - fair enough, free speech and all that.
It staggers me that there have been suggestions in the aftermath (on here) that some Charlton fans could get physically aggressive towards other Charlton fans based on what happened yesterday. There is simply no basis for any reaction of that kind.
I was one of the few in the west lower standing up with the 2% flyer and getting shouted at by loads of people sitting behind me. Most of whom spent the whole match moaning and buggered off 20 mins before the end.
Whatever protests happen for the rest of the season, the deciding and ultimate one will be season ticket sales.
Particularly if we go down this season.
Even if we went down and Roland continued as owner, I still don't think I could give up my season ticket and I'm sure many supporters feel the same. It's therefore important that those who still attend, can find a way to show their disapproval at the way the club is being run. Hopefully we'll continue to see an increase in the no of black and white scarves within the ground.
Agreed, I suppose to some it can be 'cutting your nose to spite your face' by not renewing. An answer would be to renew to the cheapest seats possible and not buy any food or merchandise.
It is so clear to gauge the support with all-seater stadiums. The East Stand takes 6000 and for a few games, certainly the midweek ones we have had about 1500 in there so comfortably we have had 8000 Charlton at times, and to think we were getting 24,000 in the premier days, sad times.
Not forced upon but the view is stated above quite clearly, that if you dont see it your blind, you will live to rue the day, its being force fed if not forced upon there is no choice to ignore, without being told your wrong,
I watched it tonight on the TV, we played shit we lost, but I thought the whole protest looked disjointed and not supported by many at all infact it seemed like a lot of good hard effort went in to it but was lost because there were pockets of fans who looked like they believed more people near them felt the same and when the support around them never stood, they looked alone and embarrassed,
I dont know how that will change if it will at all but there needs to be a re think and a structure to match the efforts and Imo the focus shouldnt be on protesting but getting fans on board with the points being made
Then when support is larger and more widespread then look at protests
Totally disagree don't know how it came over on TV to be honest don't care, the (lack of ) numbers in the ground showed how our support is going.
To get circa 50% g up the poster at Charlton shows how pissed off people are and people at the ground who had not previously heard about the campaign were certainly talking about it!
acknowledgement of the volunteers experience on the day and there is a very large number of fans who just dont agree and dont want to have others telling them, they dont care enough, their blind to the truth or they can have a love in with Km,
Well that wasn't my experience giving them out. I wouldn't say it was a very large number at all, the opposite, but it was the angst or in some cases aggression of those that surprised. On reflection I think that a lot of those that gave the not particularly pleasant reaction was more down to them not liking other Charlton fans and this providing opportunity, rather than them being content with how the Club is going.
As for saying it was born from being being told they don't care enough, their blind to the truth etc...those actually at the game will tell you the distribution was either silent or 'can I give you a leaflet explaining today's protest'. Those giving them out were careful not to promote in an antagonistic way for precisely that reason.
Dan read the posts on here I never said at the ground its how it comes across here
if people suggest they dont agree with whats being said thats exactly what is being told they don't care enough, their blind to the truth, burying their head, happy with shit being served up
I quoted from three posts after wiwlb post about his view on the day, and the reaction from that post and its the same after most posts who dont support or agree
The biggest issue cafc fans face is other cafc fans and how to deal with their conflicting opinions
the protest served a purpose yes,
Was it a success? I dont think it failed but I would not say it looked impressive nor well supported as in my opinion it didnt look great or impactful enough to make a big enough statement
Joe deserves a huge acknowledgement for his leadership and I have told him that personally via pm
But its limited now if you dont gain a higher % of support away from the nth stand,
The black and white campaign yes henners I was acknowledging it before you posted as the most essential and continual tool to use and its merits to contiue to be visible whilst the next phase is structured,
This campaign wont fall over due to RD and km not taking note it will fall down through internal cafc fans inabilty to unite,
I think the campaign needs to step and scale back, Joe needs to continue to take the mantle and not drop into the back ground its his age group that needs to form the future fan input into the way the Club is acknowledging its customers
people then need to get their heads around how the hell you unite a higher proportion of the fan base,
But push the black and white colours hard and remind people that black and white is not alien to the clubs kit colour and the message behind its re birth in 2015,
If not I fear all this will be in vain
Unless people like you NLA stop prevaracating, hesitating, over-analysing, there will be divisions and you're in large part responsible as you are one of a few giving the narrative to it! I don't know you personally but I know you are passionate and articulate and it's a shame that you seem to be trying to undermine others at this time while putting forward a slower dimmer approach than that already underway. You have the ability to unite people (i don't doubt that) but if you are going to be contrary every step of the way you'll always be behind events.
Can we get a zebra at the next game for the black and white campaign? Or more likely two guys in a zebra costume! Would get us on the lad bible and sport bible raising more awareness for the campaign.
Maybe we can do our annual fancy dress away match early this year and all go as zebras!
Its because I am not afraid of being criticised for it, this site is slowly going down the route of compliance to a point of view, the amount of posters who have left here that gave alternatives many of which I disagreed with at those times has wained, and it is a shame, I am firmly in the I dont think Rd is killing the Club I think that process started when good people got taken for fools and the club was in a worse place than it is now, however I do think that Joe and those involved deserve credit for what they are trying to do as it is refreshing and very important to a football club to have people willing to do what he is doing, I also think the key to anything with longevity needs the black and white
Had some proper nasty comments as I was on Floyd Rd handing out posters but it seemed generally well received. :-)
I was with you for some of these I believe. One guy in particular was a bit of an idiot. Don't see why people need to make comments. Why can't they just shake the head and move on. Why make a scene and shout at a couple of young guys handing out the posters!
Can we get a zebra at the next game for the black and white campaign? Or more likely two guys in a zebra costume! Would get us on the lad bible and sport bible raising more awareness for the campaign.
Maybe we can do our annual fancy dress away match early this year and all go as zebras!
Funnily enough I used to work as the arse of a pantomime zebra. I quit when I was a head though.
Had some proper nasty comments as I was on Floyd Rd handing out posters but it seemed generally well received. :-)
I was with you for some of these I believe. One guy in particular was a bit of an idiot. Don't see why people need to make comments. Why can't they just shake the head and move on. Why make a scene and shout at a couple of young guys handing out the posters!
The fan base is just a microcosm of society. Some people have got a really weird attitude to protest and an unerring sense of loyalty to the people who are screwing them over.
The trouble is every time I pulled someone up for having a dig when offering the poster, none of them had a decent explanation. The stock answer was, "and who do you think is going to buy RD out". Had they taken a moment to read the narrative they would have seen that this was not the direct aim of the protest. It felt good putting a few right on this.
Enjoyed the whole experience of distributing leaflets, helping Joe's great effort and being part of a 'team'. Have to say I heard no abuse whatsoever, perhaps being ( slightly ) hard of hearing helps!
Meeting some of the other distributors was great, met AFKABartram while walking down charlton church Lane, saw Henry Irving heading in the other direction- the Liberal Club? Who was the genial lady distributor at the top end of Floyd rd?
On Joe's suggestion I headed up to the Liberal club with my b/w leaflets, around a 90% take up there-preaching to the converted I felt- so well pleased. And managed a swift half pint while talking to a father & his 8 year old son whose ambition is to get Keith Peacocks signature.
Outside again I found all the 'pitches' were covered, after restocking & finding Joe unavailable while being interviewed for Tv!, passed LargeAddick & introduced myself. Headed up Charlton Lane & stood at the corner with Lansdowne Mews. Have to agree our supporters do look an old bunch now, the take up was around 1 person in 6, not great but hey it all helps.
At the end of the day I felt 'empowered' - well, glad I had made my small contribution. I'm not trying to get Roland out (Be careful what you wish for) but there has to be change.
Was surprised at the good proportion of b/w scarves.
Completely agree above where Joe says this campaign will be a marathon not a sprint.
Personally I feel the b/w campaign is the way forward, ie - scarves and maybe balloons on the pitch? While simultaneously I support the Trust's current efforts of dialog.
Can we get a zebra at the next game for the black and white campaign? Or more likely two guys in a zebra costume! Would get us on the lad bible and sport bible raising more awareness for the campaign.
Maybe we can do our annual fancy dress away match early this year and all go as zebras!
Zebras or Badgers ?
Animals in Black and white trip.
Or better still skunks, Katrien would soon get a wiff of that in her Carriage. Plus CAFC fans, as CL Demonstrates, are known to be Anal !
Like society, as a fan base we have people with diverse beliefs, backgrounds and attitudes.
There are some people who are simply embarrassed by the protest/ongoing demos for whatever reason as it doesn't fit with a certain image of a football supporter.
There are others who are pushing it hard and it can be seen as preaching.
Yes, some simply don't care.
Then there are some who fall in between all three and want to do something but not sure what so are trying out different things.
Those who volunteered yesterday, including myself, fall into the last group from what I saw and who I met. There was no need for anyone yesterday to get verbal abuse but it happened - fair enough, free speech and all that.
It staggers me that there have been suggestions in the aftermath (on here) that some Charlton fans could get physically aggressive towards other Charlton fans based on what happened yesterday. There is simply no basis for any reaction of that kind.
Truly staggered. And saddened.
Agreed.
Only category you missed out was the people who sit at home don't attend games but slag off the protests, unbelievable.
Big thanks to the guy who sold me the black and white scarf for 3 pounds but was verbally attacked for wearing it which was hilarious to be honest. Also some of the stewarding imo was pathetic.
Big thanks to the guy who sold me the black and white scarf for 3 pounds but was verbally attacked for wearing it which was hilarious to be honest. Also some of the stewarding imo was pathetic.
Pathetic 'fans'. Showing care for the way your team is being supported and getting abused for it. It's not as if you're sitting there wearing an Ipswich shirt and cheering their goals. Some people need to look at what they are doing and for what reasons, anyone protesting is protesting because they want change; the people abusing those protesting are quite obviously scared of such change, but are provocative about it.
The split in fans which RD/KM quite obviously don't mind/welcome has come, those that would shield their every move and keep the attendances reasonable. It's a shame but it is what it is, people who aren't happy will carry on with protests and similar.
Time for the next protest, of which I've only backed by a scarf thus far but have not been confronted on wearing it and if I am I'll be wanting a rather good reason as to why.
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Fair enough, it wasn't for you anyway.
if people suggest they dont agree with whats being said thats exactly what is being told they don't care enough, their blind to the truth, burying their head, happy with shit being served up
I quoted from three posts after wiwlb post about his view on the day, and the reaction from that post and its the same after most posts who dont support or agree
The biggest issue cafc fans face is other cafc fans and how to deal with their conflicting opinions
the protest served a purpose yes,
Was it a success? I dont think it failed but I would not say it looked impressive nor well supported as in my opinion it didnt look great or impactful enough to make a big enough statement
Joe deserves a huge acknowledgement for his leadership and I have told him that personally via pm
But its limited now if you dont gain a higher % of support away from the nth stand,
The black and white campaign yes henners I was acknowledging it before you posted as the most essential and continual tool to use and its merits to contiue to be visible whilst the next phase is structured,
This campaign wont fall over due to RD and km not taking note it will fall down through internal cafc fans inabilty to unite,
I think the campaign needs to step and scale back, Joe needs to continue to take the mantle and not drop into the back ground its his age group that needs to form the future fan input into the way the Club is acknowledging its customers
people then need to get their heads around how the hell you unite a higher proportion of the fan base,
But push the black and white colours hard and remind people that black and white is not alien to the clubs kit colour and the message behind its re birth in 2015,
If not I fear all this will be in vain
Particularly if we go down this season.
We'll bring in another manager (who fraeye can be no 2 to.) and they'll keep us up (narrowly) staving off relegation for another year.
No matter, I like/agree with 90% of what you post, but we can't all be perfect can we?
There are some people who are simply embarrassed by the protest/ongoing demos for whatever reason as it doesn't fit with a certain image of a football supporter.
There are others who are pushing it hard and it can be seen as preaching.
Yes, some simply don't care.
Then there are some who fall in between all three and want to do something but not sure what so are trying out different things.
Those who volunteered yesterday, including myself, fall into the last group from what I saw and who I met. There was no need for anyone yesterday to get verbal abuse but it happened - fair enough, free speech and all that.
It staggers me that there have been suggestions in the aftermath (on here) that some Charlton fans could get physically aggressive towards other Charlton fans based on what happened yesterday. There is simply no basis for any reaction of that kind.
Truly staggered. And saddened.
It is so clear to gauge the support with all-seater stadiums. The East Stand takes 6000 and for a few games, certainly the midweek ones we have had about 1500 in there so comfortably we have had 8000 Charlton at times, and to think we were getting 24,000 in the premier days, sad times.
Unless people like you NLA stop prevaracating, hesitating, over-analysing, there will be divisions and you're in large part responsible as you are one of a few giving the narrative to it! I don't know you personally but I know you are passionate and articulate and it's a shame that you seem to be trying to undermine others at this time while putting forward a slower dimmer approach than that already underway. You have the ability to unite people (i don't doubt that) but if you are going to be contrary every step of the way you'll always be behind events.
Maybe we can do our annual fancy dress away match early this year and all go as zebras!
I quit when I was a head though.
Meeting some of the other distributors was great, met AFKABartram while walking down charlton church Lane, saw Henry Irving heading in the other direction- the Liberal Club? Who was the genial lady distributor at the top end of Floyd rd?
On Joe's suggestion I headed up to the Liberal club with my b/w leaflets, around a 90% take up there-preaching to the converted I felt- so well pleased. And managed a swift half pint while talking to a father & his 8 year old son whose ambition is to get Keith Peacocks signature.
Outside again I found all the 'pitches' were covered, after restocking & finding Joe unavailable while being interviewed for Tv!, passed LargeAddick & introduced myself. Headed up Charlton Lane & stood at the corner with Lansdowne Mews. Have to agree our supporters do look an old bunch now, the take up was around 1 person in 6, not great but hey it all helps.
At the end of the day I felt 'empowered' - well, glad I had made my small contribution. I'm not trying to get Roland out (Be careful what you wish for) but there has to be change.
Was surprised at the good proportion of b/w scarves.
Completely agree above where Joe says this campaign will be a marathon not a sprint.
Personally I feel the b/w campaign is the way forward, ie - scarves and maybe balloons on the pitch? While simultaneously I support the Trust's current efforts of dialog.
Animals in Black and white trip.
Or better still skunks,
Katrien would soon get a wiff of that in her Carriage.
Plus CAFC fans, as CL Demonstrates, are known to be Anal !
Only category you missed out was the people who sit at home don't attend games but slag off the protests, unbelievable.
Also some of the stewarding imo was pathetic.
The split in fans which RD/KM quite obviously don't mind/welcome has come, those that would shield their every move and keep the attendances reasonable. It's a shame but it is what it is, people who aren't happy will carry on with protests and similar.
Time for the next protest, of which I've only backed by a scarf thus far but have not been confronted on wearing it and if I am I'll be wanting a rather good reason as to why.