Not forced upon but the view is stated above quite clearly, that if you dont see it your blind, you will live to rue the day, its being force fed if not forced upon there is no choice to ignore, without being told your wrong,
I watched it tonight on the TV, we played shit we lost, but I thought the whole protest looked disjointed and not supported by many at all infact it seemed like a lot of good hard effort went in to it but was lost because there were pockets of fans who looked like they believed more people near them felt the same and when the support around them never stood, they looked alone and embarrassed,
I dont know how that will change if it will at all but there needs to be a re think and a structure to match the efforts and Imo the focus shouldnt be on protesting but getting fans on board with the points being made
Then when support is larger and more widespread then look at protests
Totally disagree don't know how it came over on TV to be honest don't care, the (lack of ) numbers in the ground showed how our support is going.
To get circa 50% g up the poster at Charlton shows how pissed off people are and people at the ground who had not previously heard about the campaign were certainly talking about it!
acknowledgement of the volunteers experience on the day and there is a very large number of fans who just dont agree and dont want to have others telling them, they dont care enough, their blind to the truth or they can have a love in with Km,
Well that wasn't my experience giving them out. I wouldn't say it was a very large number at all, the opposite, but it was the angst or in some cases aggression of those that surprised. On reflection I think that a lot of those that gave the not particularly pleasant reaction was more down to them not liking other Charlton fans and this providing opportunity, rather than them being content with how the Club is going.
As for saying it was born from being being told they don't care enough, their blind to the truth etc...those actually at the game will tell you the distribution was either silent or 'can I give you a leaflet explaining today's protest'. Those giving them out were careful not to promote in an antagonistic way for precisely that reason.
Woke up with a sore head after a great night trying to forget the match
I just wanted to say I thought the protest was brilliant! Well done to all involved!!! Some of the things I was shouting when handing them out was as follows:
"Love it, hate it, support it, don't support it, this is your charlton find out what we are protesting about! It is all on the back of this flyer!!"
"Don't sit back and ignore what is happening to your club! read about it in this flyer"
"There will be a protest 2 minutes into the game find out why"
"This is not a Black Friday weekend event, we are not giving 2% off washing machines and ovens!! This is a protest and it is an ongoing event" - this got lots of laughs.
I must have handed out about 500 in 30-40 mins. And walked around a lot to get a feel for the protest, I must say most fans seemed very interested, I noticed that some had walked past 3-4 people handing them out but when they heard me shouting the decided to take one which I thought was great!
98% of people I saw had a flyer so that was good. If we handed out all 10k I doubt there was that in the stadium yesterday in the home end.
I personally feel that the actual protest was great and sitting in the noisy part of the North upper it sounded very loud. Looking at the east stand there was a lot of people holding up flyers the west was empty anyway so only small patches of posters.
Considering at the Wednesday game I counted about 5 scarfs in the east and west, and we have had two wins, the amount of scarfs and stuff blew me away!
Some people have put some very hard work into this and I applaud that.
The person who convinced me to protest was Katrien after her fans meeting. I finished that video and thought, I have only supported CAFC a few years and they now don't give a fluck about my support.
Having also met her and Rolland in Belgium when they first bought us. I must say I'm not convinced what they said then is what we have now or even working towards.
I will continue to support the team. But I'm sorry I can't get behind the current regimes gimmicks and BS.
Happy for them to stay but they MUST change there ways! And fast.
Anyway thanks again to all those who are helping make this happen.
First, grateful thanks to Joe for organising this. A very good start in my opinion.
Second, I'm in the West Upper. Both me and Mrs cafcfan held up our flyers as did the people next to us. Difficult to say about others as I was trying to watch the football and protest at the same time. But there were certainly good responses from the North & East (I can't see the West Lower from my position.)
Third, An apology to Joe and fellow protesters. I missed a trick. I realised as soon as I got to my seat that as I'm only one row behind the press gantry I should have taken extra leaflets to hand out to the press guys. Sorry.
Wait, is the aim of this protest to get the club to employ(re-employ in some cases) certain fans in high up positions?
I am sure that is not the aim, however the CEO could do a lot worse than re employ some of the former senior managers that post on this forum. The accumulated knowledge of the staff that were chased out of the club, would I guarantee have stopped an awful lot of shambles that now seem to be taking place at the valley.
Well done to all involved in organising this protest. I am surprised to read of the hostility by some fans toward the protest. I can only think this is based on the personal antipathy toward at least one of the organisers. Of which, I don't personally understand. One truth that is glossed over these days is that the Valley Party campaign was widely dismissed as a pointless exercise in the building up to the election. I was often told by friends that there is no point in it, despite them being as upset as I was about the move. Today, the campaign is widely accepted as being influential but still some people insist that we would have come back anyway as it was the only thing that could have happened. I don't hold that view myself but as I now live a long way from the Valley, I am growing weary of supporting rubbish football, rubbish owners and supporters that appear to, in some cases, aggressively support a succession of rubbish owners whatever they do. I wish that I could just walk away and follow Plymouth or Exeter as my wife has suggested we do. But I am not at that point yet so keep up the good fight guys.
2% posters had one remit - show KM she was wrong about the level of satisfaction. Job done. Not sure what the post mortem is for with regards to the protest.
Now we move on to the next thing.
I for one didn't expect major changes after the protest, but it's about keeping the pressure up.
Marathon not a sprint.
KM was ridiculed in front the SKY cameras. Their coverage of it was excellent.
2 minutes after kick off? Would never work at our place. 98% of us are still in the bar at 3:02pm.
Have you tried a good old riot? That's what we always
and how was Fleetwood MF ?
Didn't go, a Tuesday night up there was a bit hardcore for me. Maybe in my younger years. Over 500 did go though. Hats off to them. Shame because that's one of the ones I wanted to tick off my list this season. Will have to wait until next year. If we're still in the same division as fleetwood that is. You going to have it next season? ;-)
Just home after a day on the juice and Five Finger Death Punch at Wembley (I'm mad me). Handing out leaflets was interesting - about half the punters made eye contact and took one. The other half either looked terribly embarrassed and veered away or sauntered past looking above it all. I had two whisper that they were 'the 98%' and I hope they enjoyed the game today because it was our season in microcosm. It really isn't going to end well and those who are satisfied with the way things are going are blind and will be like reformed smokers once the game's up. In the ground I thought the show on two minutes made the point that it's far more than 2% but let's face it, 30% didn't even bother coming today. I'd like to try Katrien's rose-tinted glasses on to see if it fills the stadium up. The Ipswich fans riposte of 'your support is fucking shit" was spot on. Based on today, it could all be too late, and those who have been duped by fresh paint and new seats and investment in selling players on will live to rue the day.
Hilarious. They whispered to you that they were the 98%. But yet others giving out leaflets were told to fuck off?
Typical bully boy tactics.
Well done DT.
He said that he had to whisper not that they whispered!
No he didn't. He said I had two whisper that they... Or have I just been whooshed?
2% posters had one remit - show KM she was wrong about the level of satisfaction. Job done. Not sure what the post mortem is for with regards to the protest.
Now we move on to the next thing.
I for one didn't expect major changes after the protest, but it's about keeping the pressure up.
Marathon not a sprint.
KM was ridiculed in front the SKY cameras. Their coverage of it was excellent.
Well done all involved.
You're not missing anything Joe. You set out to show KM she was wrong about the levels of discontent and you more than achieved that aim it seems. For their own reasons others have their own agendas to push and are using the, in their view anyway, limited impact of the 2% protest to support their views.
You've done a brilliant job pulling things together in a short space of time, which is very much appreciated (at least by some of us I'm sure). Treat yourself to a beer, put your feet up and try to ignore any post mortems going on.
Well done Joe, just the sort of young gun that the CEO should be begging to join the Target 20k and strategy groups.
PS I was proud that my son, another Joe, volunteered off his own back and without telling me about it, to leaflet yesterday.
He was at the train station giving out flyers when the CEO arrived. He was rather pleased with the glare he got when she noticed him, the first of many activists she would have seen on her walk from the station no doubt.
The two Joes are teenagers Katrien. Just the people you want to attract to the club.
Ask yourself why they are protesting about how you are running the club?
It's not because they hate you or that they think they can do a better job
It's because they care but in your fury over being challenged and your fear of being exposed as less than 100% in control you are ignoring that.
Just home after a day on the juice and Five Finger Death Punch at Wembley (I'm mad me). Handing out leaflets was interesting - about half the punters made eye contact and took one. The other half either looked terribly embarrassed and veered away or sauntered past looking above it all. I had two whisper that they were 'the 98%' and I hope they enjoyed the game today because it was our season in microcosm. It really isn't going to end well and those who are satisfied with the way things are going are blind and will be like reformed smokers once the game's up. In the ground I thought the show on two minutes made the point that it's far more than 2% but let's face it, 30% didn't even bother coming today. I'd like to try Katrien's rose-tinted glasses on to see if it fills the stadium up. The Ipswich fans riposte of 'your support is fucking shit" was spot on. Based on today, it could all be too late, and those who have been duped by fresh paint and new seats and investment in selling players on will live to rue the day.
I would add that perhaps the reason you only had a 50% take up rate, was because you were standing at the corner of Charlton Lane/Harvey Gardens and I was leafleting outside The Oak.
So 50% had already accepted a leaflet, before they got to you.
2% posters had one remit - show KM she was wrong about the level of satisfaction. Job done. Not sure what the post mortem is for with regards to the protest.
Now we move on to the next thing.
I for one didn't expect major changes after the protest, but it's about keeping the pressure up.
Marathon not a sprint.
KM was ridiculed in front the SKY cameras. Their coverage of it was excellent.
Well done all involved.
So, we've had the car park protest and the leaflet protest. What's next? To me, it's clear supporters are voting with their feet judging by the number of empty seats yesterday. From where I sit, our vocal support is non-existent. I think you should be looking to encourage as many people to come back. Fill the stadium with black and white scarves. Get behind the team but also be very vocal in letting them know exactly how we feel. Next season, I'll be voting with my wallet and keeping my credit card firmly in its holder. No renewal until they spell it out in Black n white. Keep up the good work ....
Seen the club are doing bag checks on the door for security reasons, on the recommendation of the Met. I do not doubt this is their genuine reason for doing this.
But I would not be surprised if the club use this as a way to stop anyone entering the ground with more than just a handful of these.. so probably best to give out as many as possible outside the ground and not rely on in the stadium distribution.
Would volunteer but can't make the game! Will be watching on TV will probably get carried away and stand and chant at the second minute as an act of solidarity!
I'd imagine we will shift all the leaflets outside the ground. I was on the pavement behind the North Stand last game and was politely asked to get off Club property so I stood in the road so taking them into the ground in bulk isn't really an option.
Surely the pavement is public property ?
I thought that but didn't want to argue the point and cause a potential problem for Joe
I cannot understand why you handing out flyers on Thursday the 26th?
What's the actual attendance. Looks on TV as if it has to be under 10,000
I reckon about 6,000 home fans
If there are the best part of 3k in the away end I estimate about 8 or 9 k in the home ends.
Do you mean the home end? What about the sides? There is so much ''bigging up'' on this subject by any perspective. Apart from the North End the whole ''protest'' was a fiasco. Hundreds of supporters were refusing the flyers in Floyd Road, not forgetting those who screwed them up and threw them away. Is it not time to ''get real''?
What's the actual attendance. Looks on TV as if it has to be under 10,000
I reckon about 6,000 home fans
If there are the best part of 3k in the away end I estimate about 8 or 9 k in the home ends.
Do you mean the home end? What about the sides? There is so much ''bigging up'' on this subject by any perspective. Apart from the North End the whole ''protest'' was a fiasco. Hundreds of supporters were refusing the flyers in Floyd Road, not forgetting those who screwed them up and threw them away. Is it not time to ''get real''?
Yes, I think think it is time for you to get real.
Woke up with a sore head after a great night trying to forget the match
I just wanted to say I thought the protest was brilliant! Well done to all involved!!! Some of the things I was shouting when handing them out was as follows:
"Love it, hate it, support it, don't support it, this is your charlton find out what we are protesting about! It is all on the back of this flyer!!"
"Don't sit back and ignore what is happening to your club! read about it in this flyer"
"There will be a protest 2 minutes into the game find out why"
"This is not a Black Friday weekend event, we are not giving 2% off washing machines and ovens!! This is a protest and it is an ongoing event" - this got lots of laughs.
I must have handed out about 500 in 30-40 mins. And walked around a lot to get a feel for the protest, I must say most fans seemed very interested, I noticed that some had walked past 3-4 people handing them out but when they heard me shouting the decided to take one which I thought was great!
98% of people I saw had a flyer so that was good. If we handed out all 10k I doubt there was that in the stadium yesterday in the home end.
I personally feel that the actual protest was great and sitting in the noisy part of the North upper it sounded very loud. Looking at the east stand there was a lot of people holding up flyers the west was empty anyway so only small patches of posters.
Considering at the Wednesday game I counted about 5 scarfs in the east and west, and we have had two wins, the amount of scarfs and stuff blew me away!
Some people have put some very hard work into this and I applaud that.
The person who convinced me to protest was Katrien after her fans meeting. I finished that video and thought, I have only supported CAFC a few years and they now don't give a fluck about my support.
Having also met her and Rolland in Belgium when they first bought us. I must say I'm not convinced what they said then is what we have now or even working towards.
I will continue to support the team. But I'm sorry I can't get behind the current regimes gimmicks and BS.
Happy for them to stay but they MUST change there ways! And fast.
Anyway thanks again to all those who are helping make this happen.
98%! I don't believe you. You must be David Cameron's statistician!
What's the actual attendance. Looks on TV as if it has to be under 10,000
I reckon about 6,000 home fans
If there are the best part of 3k in the away end I estimate about 8 or 9 k in the home ends.
Do you mean the home end? What about the sides? There is so much ''bigging up'' on this subject by any perspective. Apart from the North End the whole ''protest'' was a fiasco. Hundreds of supporters were refusing the flyers in Floyd Road, not forgetting those who screwed them up and threw them away. Is it not time to ''get real''?
Waldo, I gave out 300 posters in Charlton Lane & 90% of fans took them.
More than half of fans in the North & East stood up & held them up. Not so many in the West.
This proved that more then 2% of the fans are dissatisfied, with how the club is being run.
I've not read the whole thread but my observation is that I couldn't hear those singing, apart from Henry sat in front of me, in the ground or on the tele when I got home.
I couldn't tell who was holding up the 'posters' but is felt, to me, like a minoriry.
I still think it was enough to make a point and the decision from Sky to show a section of fans and then cut to KM who was looking left and right and looking a little uncomfortable, has achieved the aim.
I, still, couldn't, however, feel deflated coming away from the game after seeing us lose 3-0 at home again.
I think today worked, even though I think it was less impacting than many had hoped for.
We do, however, need to inprove on the pitch of we could find ourselves holding these protests in the third division.
Not forced upon but the view is stated above quite clearly, that if you dont see it your blind, you will live to rue the day, its being force fed if not forced upon there is no choice to ignore, without being told your wrong,
I watched it tonight on the TV, we played shit we lost, but I thought the whole protest looked disjointed and not supported by many at all infact it seemed like a lot of good hard effort went in to it but was lost because there were pockets of fans who looked like they believed more people near them felt the same and when the support around them never stood, they looked alone and embarrassed,
I dont know how that will change if it will at all but there needs to be a re think and a structure to match the efforts and Imo the focus shouldnt be on protesting but getting fans on board with the points being made
Then when support is larger and more widespread then look at protests
Totally disagree don't know how it came over on TV to be honest don't care, the (lack of ) numbers in the ground showed how our support is going.
To get circa 50% g up the poster at Charlton shows how pissed off people are and people at the ground who had not previously heard about the campaign were certainly talking about it!
The vast majority of those holding them up were in the nth stand, most were already aware of the protest as the demographic fan base up there is one that uses social media and voice their opinions on it, for tie protest to work correctly you need more than those fans
Ignoring the rude and agressive comments to the people handing them out,
acknowledgement of the volunteers experience on the day and there is a very large number of fans who just dont agree and dont want to have others telling them, they dont care enough, their blind to the truth or they can have a love in with Km,
From the begining I said the divisions in the fan base is the biggest obstacle to over come, and not solely getting the point across to km and Rd,
If that doesn't get resolved the next leaflet drop I can see someone reporting back a more physical response being aimed towards them
Theres those in protest who want different outcomes, let alone outside of that, focus on the hearts and minds and then see, but the biggest acceptance needs to be that this will take a long time, just because it might mean the work and message is not so visible but it will be just as important
I for one realise it will take a long time.
In football terms we've only got to the pre-match warm up.
Yet some are booing from the stands already and others are already analysing the result.
Fact is Stand up for the 2% worked. End of.
It disproved the CEO'S silly claim that it was only 2% who are unhappy.
It got publicity in the fan base. Even those who oppose it are discussing it and it will be a lot more than two weeks ago. And it got into the media. It worked. It was a success.
No one involved expected 100% of people to know about it or join in but that seems to be the bar being set by critics.
Spell it out is 6 weeks old. That's all. Put it in that perspective.
It's outgrown it's internet start in life and now exists in the real world.
It's also found a new champion and leader. My John the Baptist role is diminishing to just spreading the word. The miracle of the 10k leaflets has been seen.
The campaign continues.
The aims of
Professionalism
Transparency
Business focus and
Teamwork
Remain
Quite extraordinary.
And before you flag, I was on my feet in the Upper West with my 2% flyer.
"No, I don't support Newcastle, we won the cup in these colours". My boy giving a pre-match briefing to the Sky commentary team on the finer points of the 2% protest.
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As for saying it was born from being being told they don't care enough, their blind to the truth etc...those actually at the game will tell you the distribution was either silent or 'can I give you a leaflet explaining today's protest'. Those giving them out were careful not to promote in an antagonistic way for precisely that reason.
I just wanted to say I thought the protest was brilliant! Well done to all involved!!! Some of the things I was shouting when handing them out was as follows:
"Love it, hate it, support it, don't support it, this is your charlton find out what we are protesting about! It is all on the back of this flyer!!"
"Don't sit back and ignore what is happening to your club! read about it in this flyer"
"There will be a protest 2 minutes into the game find out why"
"This is not a Black Friday weekend event, we are not giving 2% off washing machines and ovens!! This is a protest and it is an ongoing event" - this got lots of laughs.
I must have handed out about 500 in 30-40 mins. And walked around a lot to get a feel for the protest, I must say most fans seemed very interested, I noticed that some had walked past 3-4 people handing them out but when they heard me shouting the decided to take one which I thought was great!
98% of people I saw had a flyer so that was good. If we handed out all 10k I doubt there was that in the stadium yesterday in the home end.
I personally feel that the actual protest was great and sitting in the noisy part of the North upper it sounded very loud. Looking at the east stand there was a lot of people holding up flyers the west was empty anyway so only small patches of posters.
Considering at the Wednesday game I counted about 5 scarfs in the east and west, and we have had two wins, the amount of scarfs and stuff blew me away!
Some people have put some very hard work into this and I applaud that.
The person who convinced me to protest was Katrien after her fans meeting. I finished that video and thought, I have only supported CAFC a few years and they now don't give a fluck about my support.
Having also met her and Rolland in Belgium when they first bought us. I must say I'm not convinced what they said then is what we have now or even working towards.
I will continue to support the team. But I'm sorry I can't get behind the current regimes gimmicks and BS.
Happy for them to stay but they MUST change there ways! And fast.
Anyway thanks again to all those who are helping make this happen.
Second, I'm in the West Upper. Both me and Mrs cafcfan held up our flyers as did the people next to us. Difficult to say about others as I was trying to watch the football and protest at the same time. But there were certainly good responses from the North & East (I can't see the West Lower from my position.)
Third, An apology to Joe and fellow protesters. I missed a trick. I realised as soon as I got to my seat that as I'm only one row behind the press gantry I should have taken extra leaflets to hand out to the press guys. Sorry.
Wait, is the aim of this protest to get the club to employ(re-employ in some cases) certain fans in high up positions?
I am sure that is not the aim, however the CEO could do a lot worse than re employ some of the former senior managers that post on this forum.
The accumulated knowledge of the staff that were chased out of the club, would I guarantee have stopped an awful lot of shambles that now seem to be taking place at the valley.
I am surprised to read of the hostility by some fans toward the protest.
I can only think this is based on the personal antipathy toward at least one of the organisers. Of which, I don't personally understand.
One truth that is glossed over these days is that the Valley Party campaign was widely dismissed as a pointless exercise in the building up to the election.
I was often told by friends that there is no point in it, despite them being as upset as I was about the move.
Today, the campaign is widely accepted as being influential but still some people insist that we would have come back anyway as it was the only thing that could have happened.
I don't hold that view myself but as I now live a long way from the Valley, I am growing weary of supporting rubbish football, rubbish owners and supporters that appear to, in some cases, aggressively support a succession of rubbish owners whatever they do.
I wish that I could just walk away and follow Plymouth or Exeter as my wife has suggested we do. But I am not at that point yet so keep up the good fight guys.
2% posters had one remit - show KM she was wrong about the level of satisfaction. Job done. Not sure what the post mortem is for with regards to the protest.
Now we move on to the next thing.
I for one didn't expect major changes after the protest, but it's about keeping the pressure up.
Marathon not a sprint.
KM was ridiculed in front the SKY cameras. Their coverage of it was excellent.
Well done all involved.
No he didn't. He said I had two whisper that they... Or have I just been whooshed?
You've done a brilliant job pulling things together in a short space of time, which is very much appreciated (at least by some of us I'm sure). Treat yourself to a beer, put your feet up and try to ignore any post mortems going on.
Well done Joe, just the sort of young gun that the CEO should be begging to join the Target 20k and strategy groups.
PS I was proud that my son, another Joe, volunteered off his own back and without telling me about it, to leaflet yesterday.
He was at the train station giving out flyers when the CEO arrived. He was rather pleased with the glare he got when she noticed him, the first of many activists she would have seen on her walk from the station no doubt.
The two Joes are teenagers Katrien. Just the people you want to attract to the club.
Ask yourself why they are protesting about how you are running the club?
It's not because they hate you or that they think they can do a better job
It's because they care but in your fury over being challenged and your fear of being exposed as less than 100% in control you are ignoring that.
So 50% had already accepted a leaflet, before they got to you.
More than half of fans in the North & East stood up & held them up. Not so many in the West.
This proved that more then 2% of the fans are dissatisfied, with how the club is being run.
There isn't really much else to say.
49% of people protested.
Katrien will concede it was 5%
Maths is not her strong point.
And before you flag, I was on my feet in the Upper West with my 2% flyer.