There is a number of ways our support will increase. 1 start taking our fan base seriously and stop telling porkies. 2 Get promoted to the Premiership. 3 Get rid of Meire and RD. 4 Appoint a British Coach. 5 win a few more games. I think Target 20000 without any of the above happening has got two hopes of being successful Bob and no.
On the 'giving away' thing my daughter's season ticket is often available for free as she can no longer make every match.
Yet I often cannot find a taker for it.
I accept that there is a considerable downside for any prospective user in having to sit next to me for 90 minutes or more but suggest that a worthwhile product on the pitch would enable people to overcome that obstacle!
well now you have one... (unpaid 'intern' here) although it needs to be East stand and I'd probably sit with my existing/former ST buddies
Not surprising the age gaps stop at 35, they have no interested in the older supporters, that interview KM spoke volumes
it doesn't, it says 'Supporters aged over 35' so anyone aged 35 to 105.
Sorry what I meant was you had age gaps but then over 35 to as you say 105. Charlton ( even KM admitted this) has a very large supporter base of over 60. If you were looking to make this group inclusive ( which I personally think it should not be) then common sense would have said lets have a rep for the over 60's
agreed
But isn't that the point, people in their 50s/60s are far more likely to fill one of the other categories anyway?
I have no actual stats to back this up but I would expect that not many people in their 30s with new mortgages/young kids etc can afford Valley Gold membership or hospitality season tickets for example.
Airman Brown may have a point that this group needs to be more of a gathering of 'experts' and qualified people, but lets see who puts their name forward and who gets chosen to be on the panel before we get too critical of it.
Since we have started to kick up more of a fuss as fans the club has held a supporters meeting, signed Vaz Te (an experienced and decent Championship player) and announced the Target 20,000 is going ahead and given us a bit of detail about what it is and how it will run.
There are real and potential flaws to all 3 things that have so far happened, particularly the fans meeting, but they are also all improvements on what was happening before the protests. We can't bitch about no involvement and then automatically slag off the involvement we are offered just because it has come from KM & RD.
Reality is Roland probably ain't going anywhere soon because even if he wants out there is unlikely to be a serious buyer around the corner, so in the meantime we do need to try and engage with this current lot as best we can as per the Black and White campaign. If we're going to do that there has to be a little bit of diplomacy on our part.
In this case, the idea is correct, we'll have to wait a little while before we know how good the execution is and then we can criticise.
I don't know what the season ticket income is, and how more season tickets sold would affect the walk up, but if we averaged all season tickets at £180, and sold 12000 we would get £2,160,000 in from that. Bradford are also benefitting from a more vibrant match day atmosphere.
I don't know what the season ticket income is, and how more season tickets sold would affect the walk up, but if we averaged all season tickets at £180, and sold 12000 we would get £2,160,000 in from that. Bradford are also benefitting from a more vibrant match day atmosphere.
No we would not. The HMRC would take 16.67% of that by way of VAT.
This is all well & good (& certainly not knocking it) but wouldn't a good place to start be for the club asking the 3000+ season ticket holders who don't attend why not. I'm sure there is a minority that changes match by match but there must be a core that have totally given up. Why not get their views or are they part of "the 2%" so we won't include them ?
In a roundabout way, this was something I suggested recently.
KM wouldn't like the responses to the question but it could be that blunt, to the point replies might start to ring more than one warning bell in Duchatelet Towers.
To be fair, it is a small step but the tone of the communication seems much improved to me and it is following through on one of the commitments made at the fans' meeting.
Obviously the best way to 20k fans is to improve the strategy governing the football side of the club but it's harsh to be overly critical on this piece in itself which I think is a baby step in the right direction.
We can ask ourselves one question, why!? Because it benefits her, if this picks up it benefits her insanely.. If it doesn't she wouldn't be speaking so freely and openly about it.
Helping them with this campaigning, not being paid for it, is playing right into the owners hands. They are closer to a Club with the core support in the very low 000's than they are in the 20,000+ bracket. Even if tickets were a quid I doubt we'd consistently get over 20k home fans ffs.
To be fair, it is a small step but the tone of the communication seems much improved to me and it is following through on one of the commitments made at the fans' meeting.
Obviously the best way to 20k fans is to improve the strategy governing the football side of the club but it's harsh to be overly critical on this piece in itself which I think is a baby step in the right direction.
We can ask ourselves one question, why!? Because it benefits her, if this picks up it benefits her insanely.. If it doesn't she wouldn't be speaking so freely and openly about it.
Helping them with this campaigning, not being paid for it, is playing right into the owners hands. They are closer to a Club with the core support in the very low 000's than they are in the 20,000+ bracket. Even if tickets were a quid I doubt we'd consistently get over 20k home fans ffs.
Good grief, a successful club benefits all parties. Why cut off your nose to spite your face?
This is all well & good (& certainly not knocking it) but wouldn't a good place to start be for the club asking the 3000+ season ticket holders who don't attend why not. I'm sure there is a minority that changes match by match but there must be a core that have totally given up. Why not get their views or are they part of "the 2%" so we won't include them ?
To be fair, it is a small step but the tone of the communication seems much improved to me and it is following through on one of the commitments made at the fans' meeting.
Obviously the best way to 20k fans is to improve the strategy governing the football side of the club but it's harsh to be overly critical on this piece in itself which I think is a baby step in the right direction.
We can ask ourselves one question, why!? Because it benefits her, if this picks up it benefits her insanely.. If it doesn't she wouldn't be speaking so freely and openly about it.
Helping them with this campaigning, not being paid for it, is playing right into the owners hands. They are closer to a Club with the core support in the very low 000's than they are in the 20,000+ bracket. Even if tickets were a quid I doubt we'd consistently get over 20k home fans ffs.
Good grief, successful club benefits all parties. Why cut off your nose to spite your face?
In your opinion it benefits all parties. In my opinion it plays into Roland's hands that his way of thinking is successfull, it wouldn't be, it would just be helped insanely by very dedicated loyal Charlton fans. It wouldn't change his plans for running the club, it wouldn't see him investing more money into the club.
It may seem extreme as on the face of it having more fans at our beloved Club is lovely, but we are cleaning Katrien's and Roland's shoes for them while they step all over us if we keep helping them in this sort of fashion.
It's the opposite to a protest - hence why Katrien is launching it. These new supporters will be pro-RD and won't know any better, and fair enough as they're paying to see football.. not for me I'm afraid. I'm against this campaign under this ownership.
To be fair, it is a small step but the tone of the communication seems much improved to me and it is following through on one of the commitments made at the fans' meeting.
Obviously the best way to 20k fans is to improve the strategy governing the football side of the club but it's harsh to be overly critical on this piece in itself which I think is a baby step in the right direction.
We can ask ourselves one question, why!? Because it benefits her, if this picks up it benefits her insanely.. If it doesn't she wouldn't be speaking so freely and openly about it.
Helping them with this campaigning, not being paid for it, is playing right into the owners hands. They are closer to a Club with the core support in the very low 000's than they are in the 20,000+ bracket. Even if tickets were a quid I doubt we'd consistently get over 20k home fans ffs.
Good grief, successful club benefits all parties. Why cut off your nose to spite your face?
In your opinion it benefits all parties. In my opinion it plays into Roland's hands that his way of thinking is successfull, it wouldn't be, it would just be helped insanely by very dedicated loyal Charlton fans. It wouldn't change his plans for running the club, it wouldn't see him investing more money into the club.
It may seem extreme as on the face of it having more fans at our beloved Club is lovely, but we are cleaning Katrien's and Roland's shoes for them while they step all over us if we keep helping them in this sort of fashion.
It's the opposite to a protest - hence why Katrien is launching it. These new supporters will be pro-RD and won't know any better, and fair enough as they're paying to see football.. not for me I'm afraid. I'm against this campaign under this ownership.
So sorry, you're saying you don't want the club to be successful?
To be fair, it is a small step but the tone of the communication seems much improved to me and it is following through on one of the commitments made at the fans' meeting.
Obviously the best way to 20k fans is to improve the strategy governing the football side of the club but it's harsh to be overly critical on this piece in itself which I think is a baby step in the right direction.
We can ask ourselves one question, why!? Because it benefits her, if this picks up it benefits her insanely.. If it doesn't she wouldn't be speaking so freely and openly about it.
Helping them with this campaigning, not being paid for it, is playing right into the owners hands. They are closer to a Club with the core support in the very low 000's than they are in the 20,000+ bracket. Even if tickets were a quid I doubt we'd consistently get over 20k home fans ffs.
Good grief, successful club benefits all parties. Why cut off your nose to spite your face?
In your opinion it benefits all parties. In my opinion it plays into Roland's hands that his way of thinking is successfull, it wouldn't be, it would just be helped insanely by very dedicated loyal Charlton fans. It wouldn't change his plans for running the club, it wouldn't see him investing more money into the club.
It may seem extreme as on the face of it having more fans at our beloved Club is lovely, but we are cleaning Katrien's and Roland's shoes for them while they step all over us if we keep helping them in this sort of fashion.
It's the opposite to a protest - hence why Katrien is launching it. These new supporters will be pro-RD and won't know any better, and fair enough as they're paying to see football.. not for me I'm afraid. I'm against this campaign under this ownership.
So sorry, you're saying you don't want the club to be successful?
Does 20,000 fans mean we as a club are successful?
Sorry, I have not read other replies, but to me there is only one way to get 20,000 supporters, better players, win more games, have a successful team, nothing else will work. You can have as many meetings as you like, with as many different people involved, but there is only one reason new fans(?) will come through the gate and that is to watch a successful team, either at the top of the championship, or in the premier league. I suppose meetings and silly ideas like the sofa, is cheap, but will not make the team successful
I think this argument is a bit beside the point. As many people have said, the football situation will overwhelm any initiative away from it.
In my opinion today's announcement is an act of bad faith by Katrien Meire became it contradicts what she had suggested was going to happen to people trying to build up a relationship of trust with her and in my view shows the extent to which she is being manipulated by some of the people around her.
To be fair, it is a small step but the tone of the communication seems much improved to me and it is following through on one of the commitments made at the fans' meeting.
Obviously the best way to 20k fans is to improve the strategy governing the football side of the club but it's harsh to be overly critical on this piece in itself which I think is a baby step in the right direction.
We can ask ourselves one question, why!? Because it benefits her, if this picks up it benefits her insanely.. If it doesn't she wouldn't be speaking so freely and openly about it.
Helping them with this campaigning, not being paid for it, is playing right into the owners hands. They are closer to a Club with the core support in the very low 000's than they are in the 20,000+ bracket. Even if tickets were a quid I doubt we'd consistently get over 20k home fans ffs.
Good grief, successful club benefits all parties. Why cut off your nose to spite your face?
In your opinion it benefits all parties. In my opinion it plays into Roland's hands that his way of thinking is successfull, it wouldn't be, it would just be helped insanely by very dedicated loyal Charlton fans. It wouldn't change his plans for running the club, it wouldn't see him investing more money into the club.
It may seem extreme as on the face of it having more fans at our beloved Club is lovely, but we are cleaning Katrien's and Roland's shoes for them while they step all over us if we keep helping them in this sort of fashion.
It's the opposite to a protest - hence why Katrien is launching it. These new supporters will be pro-RD and won't know any better, and fair enough as they're paying to see football.. not for me I'm afraid. I'm against this campaign under this ownership.
So sorry, you're saying you don't want the club to be successful?
Does 20,000 fans mean we as a club are successful?
It's certainly hard to envisage a regular 20,000 without the team playing well, and increased attendance should help feed increased revenues which in turn can mean more investment in the team. That, at least, is the Roland vision we are being sold. If that genuinely is what he is trying to achieve then I'm on board with it.
I'm quite happy for Roland to be the owner if he's taking it seriously. I realise that is a very much debatable point at the moment, but the club have a said they will try and engage with us more and take us as fans seriously. I don't see anything about today's announcement that says they are not doing that. Maybe once it's up and running it will prove to be a sham, but no one can possibly say for sure either way right now.
Some people talk like we're being run by some third world despot and the club earnings are being used to fund war and human rights abuses in some far off land. Roland might be eccentric but I don't believe he's some evil super villain who must be stopped at all costs.
As long as we're not being run by a genuinely nasty person, I can't say I care who is running the club as long as they are making a decent fist of it.
To be fair, it is a small step but the tone of the communication seems much improved to me and it is following through on one of the commitments made at the fans' meeting.
Obviously the best way to 20k fans is to improve the strategy governing the football side of the club but it's harsh to be overly critical on this piece in itself which I think is a baby step in the right direction.
We can ask ourselves one question, why!? Because it benefits her, if this picks up it benefits her insanely.. If it doesn't she wouldn't be speaking so freely and openly about it.
Helping them with this campaigning, not being paid for it, is playing right into the owners hands. They are closer to a Club with the core support in the very low 000's than they are in the 20,000+ bracket. Even if tickets were a quid I doubt we'd consistently get over 20k home fans ffs.
Good grief, successful club benefits all parties. Why cut off your nose to spite your face?
In your opinion it benefits all parties. In my opinion it plays into Roland's hands that his way of thinking is successfull, it wouldn't be, it would just be helped insanely by very dedicated loyal Charlton fans. It wouldn't change his plans for running the club, it wouldn't see him investing more money into the club.
It may seem extreme as on the face of it having more fans at our beloved Club is lovely, but we are cleaning Katrien's and Roland's shoes for them while they step all over us if we keep helping them in this sort of fashion.
It's the opposite to a protest - hence why Katrien is launching it. These new supporters will be pro-RD and won't know any better, and fair enough as they're paying to see football.. not for me I'm afraid. I'm against this campaign under this ownership.
So sorry, you're saying you don't want the club to be successful?
Does 20,000 fans mean we as a club are successful?
It's certainly hard to envisage a regular 20,000 without the team playing well, and increased attendance should help feed increased revenues which in turn can mean more investment in the team. That, at least, is the Roland vision we are being sold. If that genuinely is what he is trying to achieve then I'm on board with it.
I'm quite happy for Roland to be the owner if he's taking it seriously. I realise that is a very much debatable point at the moment, but the club have a said they will try and engage with us more and take us as fans seriously. I don't see anything about today's announcement that says they are not doing that. Maybe once it's up and running it will prove to be a sham, but no one can possibly say for sure either way right now.
Some people talk like we're being run by some third world despot and the club earnings are being used to fund war and human rights abuses in some far off land. Roland might be eccentric but I don't believe he's some evil super villain who must be stopped at all costs. As long as we're not being run by a genuinely nasty person, I can't say I care who is running the club as long as they are making a decent fist of it
I think most of us would sign up to that. The problem is that they are a long, long way from doing so.
To be fair, it is a small step but the tone of the communication seems much improved to me and it is following through on one of the commitments made at the fans' meeting.
Obviously the best way to 20k fans is to improve the strategy governing the football side of the club but it's harsh to be overly critical on this piece in itself which I think is a baby step in the right direction.
We can ask ourselves one question, why!? Because it benefits her, if this picks up it benefits her insanely.. If it doesn't she wouldn't be speaking so freely and openly about it.
Helping them with this campaigning, not being paid for it, is playing right into the owners hands. They are closer to a Club with the core support in the very low 000's than they are in the 20,000+ bracket. Even if tickets were a quid I doubt we'd consistently get over 20k home fans ffs.
Good grief, successful club benefits all parties. Why cut off your nose to spite your face?
In your opinion it benefits all parties. In my opinion it plays into Roland's hands that his way of thinking is successfull, it wouldn't be, it would just be helped insanely by very dedicated loyal Charlton fans. It wouldn't change his plans for running the club, it wouldn't see him investing more money into the club.
It may seem extreme as on the face of it having more fans at our beloved Club is lovely, but we are cleaning Katrien's and Roland's shoes for them while they step all over us if we keep helping them in this sort of fashion.
It's the opposite to a protest - hence why Katrien is launching it. These new supporters will be pro-RD and won't know any better, and fair enough as they're paying to see football.. not for me I'm afraid. I'm against this campaign under this ownership.
So sorry, you're saying you don't want the club to be successful?
Does 20,000 fans mean we as a club are successful?
It's certainly hard to envisage a regular 20,000 without the team playing well, and increased attendance should help feed increased revenues which in turn can mean more investment in the team. That, at least, is the Roland vision we are being sold. If that genuinely is what he is trying to achieve then I'm on board with it.
I'm quite happy for Roland to be the owner if he's taking it seriously. I realise that is a very much debatable point at the moment, but the club have a said they will try and engage with us more and take us as fans seriously. I don't see anything about today's announcement that says they are not doing that. Maybe once it's up and running it will prove to be a sham, but no one can possibly say for sure either way right now.
Some people talk like we're being run by some third world despot and the club earnings are being used to fund war and human rights abuses in some far off land. Roland might be eccentric but I don't believe he's some evil super villain who must be stopped at all costs. As long as we're not being run by a genuinely nasty person, I can't say I care who is running the club as long as they are making a decent fist of it
I think most of us would sign up to that. The problem is that they are a long, long way from doing so.
Don't disagree with that either, but I think it's fair to give this 'new' initiative a bit of room to breath before we start picking it apart.
A) team plays well and play attractive football, crowds go up
new introductions to the club have a good day out they come again and crowds go up
C) basic shit like being able to buy beer and food without them having run out in the first minute of the half time break, sales increase
D) find someone to talk to the media who has ever been a fan so it doesn't always sound like a badly run corner shop business, fans get less upset and turn up more and when they do turn up are a bit more positive which helps with a)
E) sort out the PA system and the expensive tv so those fans sited more than 20 metres from the covered end learn the words, increase the atmosphere which helps with a) and b) and decrease the number of 'is this a something library' chants.
"Project 2,000" is garbage. I can't believe it's being taken seriously. If she's serious she can ask Curbs, the man who got the attendances over 20,000.
I think this argument is a bit beside the point. As many people have said, the football situation will overwhelm any initiative away from it.
In my opinion today's announcement is an act of bad faith by Katrien Meire became it contradicts what she had suggested was going to happen to people trying to build up a relationship of trust with her and in my view shows the extent to which she is being manipulated by some of the people around her.
You can't leave it at that Airman ...which people do you mean and who is manipulating her?
A) team plays well and play attractive football, crowds go up
new introductions to the club have a good day out they come again and crowds go up
C) basic shit like being able to buy beer and food without them having run out in the first minute of the half time break, sales increase
D) find someone to talk to the media who has ever been a fan so it doesn't always sound like a badly run corner shop business, fans get less upset and turn up more and when they do turn up are a bit more positive which helps with a)
E) sort out the PA system and the expensive tv so those fans sited more than 20 metres from the covered end learn the words, increase the atmosphere which helps with a) and b) and decrease the number of 'is this a something library' chants.
Aaah, unfortunately @Alwaysneil you've fallen into the capital B followed by a close bracket trap )
Caught me out on the Iain Dowie thread a couple of weeks back
You're okay if you use a small b followed by a close bracket, but a capital B is a big no go and turns into an emoji with shades.
Having suffered this myself I am thinking of starting a support group for me, you and any other lifers that fall foul of this evil.
Awareness is key and prevention is better than cure. Hopefully if you and I spread the word, others won't make the same mistake when making points using a, b, c and so on
I think this argument is a bit beside the point. As many people have said, the football situation will overwhelm any initiative away from it.
In my opinion today's announcement is an act of bad faith by Katrien Meire became it contradicts what she had suggested was going to happen to people trying to build up a relationship of trust with her and in my view shows the extent to which she is being manipulated by some of the people around her.
interested in what you mean in your last sentence, who is she being manipulated by?
Bringing in this hapless belgian was the final straw for me... the concept is ludicrous, we are losing fans every week, we have no chance of getting 20k while in this division unless pushing hard for promotion...
They will have to make a series of very good decisions, in a row, to get any credibility back from me...
PR Gimmick designed to placate the more gullible. The fans want to come and see the ball in the back of the opposition net, simple as.
This is it for me. Fancy expansive football is great (we don't have this either) but winning gives me that feel good feeling and losing makes me depressed and pissed off to the point where i cant even enjoy a decent portion of fun with the misses on a saturday night even if the kids are out. I'd much rather see a win by any score than a great passing display and lose. Many called CP's team set up boring and defensive, mainly winning by one goal in promotion season, but I enjoyed that season more than any other as a fan. At the heart of it all though was CP, someone that I believed in (fell in love with) and who I felt believed in us as fans. If we can get a manager who the fans can connect with, we 'may' start to see fans coming back or even starting to come, but wins and plenty of them are what is needed to start the process. There seems to be NOTHING at the club right now that will bring about that outcome.
I am a bit confused. We give in four demands. They move forward on one of our demands. Are we now saying that this is not what we want to do, and what we really want is for the club to go down the pan ? So we should not support this but should continue campaigning for them to do what we have actually asked them to do, but the really cunning part is that this is the trap we have set: that they never can win because what we want is actually something quite different? Oh, and are we to understand that this is not coming from our CEO, but from "those around her" who no doubt have their own cunning plan but no one can work out what on earth that could be or what it would achieve? Well ain't I the thickie. I thought it was great news that the club has taken a step forward and given us a platform where we could raise all our concerns from the appointment of a manager to the size of chip portions. Bloody comprehensive system.
I am a bit confused. We give in four demands. They move forward on one of our demands. Are we now saying that this is not what we want to do, and what we really want is for the club to go down the pan ? So we should not support this but should continue campaigning for them to do what we have actually asked them to do, but the really cunning part is that this is the trap we have set: that they never can win because what we want is actually something quite different? Oh, and are we to understand that this is not coming from our CEO, but from "those around her" who no doubt have their own cunning plan but no one can work out what on earth that could be or what it would achieve? Well ain't I the thickie. I thought it was great news that the club has taken a step forward and given us a platform where we could raise all our concerns from the appointment of a manager to the size of chip portions. Bloody comprehensive system.
This isn't and shouldn't be a platform to raise either, which is perhaps the point. If you think it is, you don't understand the function that the committee filled very successfully over nearly 20 years.
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I think Target 20000 without any of the above happening has got two hopes of being successful Bob and no.
I have no actual stats to back this up but I would expect that not many people in their 30s with new mortgages/young kids etc can afford Valley Gold membership or hospitality season tickets for example.
Airman Brown may have a point that this group needs to be more of a gathering of 'experts' and qualified people, but lets see who puts their name forward and who gets chosen to be on the panel before we get too critical of it.
Since we have started to kick up more of a fuss as fans the club has held a supporters meeting, signed Vaz Te (an experienced and decent Championship player) and announced the Target 20,000 is going ahead and given us a bit of detail about what it is and how it will run.
There are real and potential flaws to all 3 things that have so far happened, particularly the fans meeting, but they are also all improvements on what was happening before the protests. We can't bitch about no involvement and then automatically slag off the involvement we are offered just because it has come from KM & RD.
Reality is Roland probably ain't going anywhere soon because even if he wants out there is unlikely to be a serious buyer around the corner, so in the meantime we do need to try and engage with this current lot as best we can as per the Black and White campaign. If we're going to do that there has to be a little bit of diplomacy on our part.
In this case, the idea is correct, we'll have to wait a little while before we know how good the execution is and then we can criticise.
Bang on.
I don't know what the season ticket income is, and how more season tickets sold would affect the walk up, but if we averaged all season tickets at £180, and sold 12000 we would get £2,160,000 in from that.
Bradford are also benefitting from a more vibrant match day atmosphere.
KM wouldn't like the responses to the question but it could be that blunt, to the point replies might start to ring more than one warning bell in Duchatelet Towers.
Too little, too late comes to mind again.
Helping them with this campaigning, not being paid for it, is playing right into the owners hands. They are closer to a Club with the core support in the very low 000's than they are in the 20,000+ bracket. Even if tickets were a quid I doubt we'd consistently get over 20k home fans ffs.
It may seem extreme as on the face of it having more fans at our beloved Club is lovely, but we are cleaning Katrien's and Roland's shoes for them while they step all over us if we keep helping them in this sort of fashion.
It's the opposite to a protest - hence why Katrien is launching it. These new supporters will be pro-RD and won't know any better, and fair enough as they're paying to see football.. not for me I'm afraid. I'm against this campaign under this ownership.
In my opinion today's announcement is an act of bad faith by Katrien Meire became it contradicts what she had suggested was going to happen to people trying to build up a relationship of trust with her and in my view shows the extent to which she is being manipulated by some of the people around her.
I'm quite happy for Roland to be the owner if he's taking it seriously. I realise that is a very much debatable point at the moment, but the club have a said they will try and engage with us more and take us as fans seriously. I don't see anything about today's announcement that says they are not doing that. Maybe once it's up and running it will prove to be a sham, but no one can possibly say for sure either way right now.
Some people talk like we're being run by some third world despot and the club earnings are being used to fund war and human rights abuses in some far off land. Roland might be eccentric but I don't believe he's some evil super villain who must be stopped at all costs.
As long as we're not being run by a genuinely nasty person, I can't say I care who is running the club as long as they are making a decent fist of it.
A) team plays well and play attractive football, crowds go up
C) basic shit like being able to buy beer and food without them having run out in the first minute of the half time break, sales increase
D) find someone to talk to the media who has ever been a fan so it doesn't always sound like a badly run corner shop business, fans get less upset and turn up more and when they do turn up are a bit more positive which helps with a)
E) sort out the PA system and the expensive tv so those fans sited more than 20 metres from the covered end learn the words, increase the atmosphere which helps with a) and b) and decrease the number of 'is this a something library' chants.
Caught me out on the Iain Dowie thread a couple of weeks back
http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/69954/iain-dowie-sacked-by-charlton-9-years-ago-today
You're okay if you use a small b followed by a close bracket, but a capital B is a big no go and turns into an emoji with shades.
Having suffered this myself I am thinking of starting a support group for me, you and any other lifers that fall foul of this evil.
Awareness is key and prevention is better than cure. Hopefully if you and I spread the word, others won't make the same mistake when making points using a, b, c and so on
PS - numbers are fine, you can use numbers
They will have to make a series of very good decisions, in a row, to get any credibility back from me...
Are we now saying that this is not what we want to do, and what we really want is for the club to go down the pan ? So we should not support this but should continue campaigning for them to do what we have actually asked them to do, but the really cunning part is that this is the trap we have set: that they never can win because what we want is actually something quite different?
Oh, and are we to understand that this is not coming from our CEO, but from "those around her" who no doubt have their own cunning plan but no one can work out what on earth that could be or what it would achieve?
Well ain't I the thickie. I thought it was great news that the club has taken a step forward and given us a platform where we could raise all our concerns from the appointment of a manager to the size of chip portions. Bloody comprehensive system.