Don't expect the trust to back Varney, it's another tough decision for them & they don't want to affect their relationship with Miere which has been proven in recent days/weeks
I think it'd be an excellent idea for the trust to meet Varney and find out more. However, I imagine they'd have to be discreet with what they find out, which wouldn't satisfy a lot of people.
I think it'd be an excellent idea for the trust to meet Varney and find out more. However, I imagine they'd have to be discreet with what they find out, which wouldn't satisfy a lot of people.
I think a statement from the Trust - encouraging demanding in the interests of all Charlton supporters the start of dialogue between PV and the current shareholder - would be a start
I think a prominent trust members' relationship with Murray may stop this...
Some relationships are about being a critical friend. Sometimes the critical has to come first, and if the friendship is strong enough, the critical has to be respected.
This isn't a "I'm not speaking for the Trust" thing. If you speak on this forum and part of the Trust board (because you promote and talk about it) you're speaking for the Trust from my point of view.
There may be CL members other than Prague, Rikofold, Weegies(?) and Pico who are on the Board but I won't recognise it as its not promoted.
@PragueAddick - what are you're views on the Varney column in the VOTV?
This isn't a "I'm not speaking for the Trust" thing. If you speak on this forum and part of the Trust board (because you promote and talk about it) you're speaking for the Trust from my point of view.
There may be CL members other than Prague, Rikofold, Weegies(?) and Pico who are on the Board but I won't recognise it as its not promoted.
@PragueAddick - what are you're views on the Varney column in the VOTV?
It's very interesting. And since I was sitting next to @airmanbrown for the game we had a lot of opportunity to discuss what could come of it.
As I've written many times, what really keeps me awake at night is who the hell might buy if RD is "forced" to sell. If it really is possible that a bid which involves PV could be tabled, I'd consider that to be the very best option.
As for your regrettably snide remark about a "relationship" with Richard Murray, it's obvious that there are significant personal issues between PV and RM. I knew nothing of the detail, but Airman filled me in, from a PV viewpoint of course. As somebody involved in human resources yourself, it might not be beyond you to realize that people who have good personal relationships or credibility with both sides of a difficult dispute, might actually be an asset to the club and its fans, rather than an obstacle.
I tell you what keeps me awake at night - RD still in control of our great football club in two years time, along with his little dancing puppets. And that includes RM. The contemptuous treatment of PV reveals these people to be what they are.
Genuine question Prague. Why is Richard Murray sitting silently (or as it would appear) and effectively allowing this ownership to destroy our club?
Perhaps he was duped by them and hence defended them and their plan hence his defence and support of them in the November meeting but surely things have deteriorated since then?
Why is he there in that position which is dressed up as a link to our past when surely admiration for all the good things he has done over the years is eroding daily?
If you can't perhaps Henry can answer as I know he is forthright in his opinion on other staff and ex employees/ trust members and has/ had a dialogue with him?
I just find it odd that RM is putting himself up for criticism. Surely if he is advising them/ ranting at them daily it's clear they are not listening so why hang around and further tarnish his once excellent reputation at the club by appearing to be in league with the fools killing our club.
I'm not meaning to be confrontational to either you or Henry in this post but it just puzzles me the relative silence from you both on Murray's relative silence.
If he turned round and said I cannot work with these people any longer and sit by watching them destroy the club with total disregard for its history, tradition and supporters then he would be back to hero status for it with many of us. Cannot see what he is achieving by sticking around.
If the club continues on this trajectory, the only crumb of comfort will be that Roland will have lost his investment, and his plan for the reshaping of football will be nothing but a smoking ruin, with CAFC the innocent victim. Perhaps only then will those represented by PV find themselves able to conduct a dialogue with those running CAFC, i.e. the administrator.
I appreciate that Ms Meire has assured us that Roland doesnt do failure, but neither am I sure that a headlong plunge towards relegation with falling attendances is what success looks like. I would like to understand what the current regime would consider to be failure. If this isn't it, I'm not surprised Roland doesn't do it, as there's clearly no such thing.
I don't know. I really don't know. That's because my "relationship" with Richard Murray is nowhere near as close as it is made out to be on CL. That isn't to say I'm backsliding on anything I've said in his defence. Simply that our "relationship" is nothing more than him being prepared to field a phone call from me and offering his thoughts on whatever.
The best guess - and this is what Airman and I agreed on when we talked today - is that he stayed on when RD took over because he hopes to protect his legacy (Airman's version) or because he genuinely believed he could play a role advocating the Charlton Way to RD (more my version, but much the same thing). Something like that. But not money, per se. Why he still persists, two years in, I don't know, because as I said I don't actually have the relationship with him where I could ever get to ask him. There will be others on the Trust Board who will have more chance to talk to him about that.
Genuine question Prague. Why is Richard Murray sitting silently (or as it would appear) and effectively allowing this ownership to destroy our club?
Perhaps he was duped by them and hence defended them and their plan hence his defence and support of them in the November meeting but surely things have deteriorated since then?
Why is he there in that position which is dressed up as a link to our past when surely admiration for all the good things he has done over the years is eroding daily?
If you can't perhaps Henry can answer as I know he is forthright in his opinion on other staff and ex employees/ trust members and has/ had a dialogue with him?
I just find it odd that RM is putting himself up for criticism. Surely if he is advising them/ ranting at them daily it's clear they are not listening so why hang around and further tarnish his once excellent reputation at the club by appearing to be in league with the fools killing our club.
I'm not meaning to be confrontational to either you or Henry in this post but it just puzzles me the relative silence from you both on Murray's relative silence.
If he turned round and said I cannot work with these people any longer and sit by watching them destroy the club with total disregard for its history, tradition and supporters then he would be back to hero status for it with many of us. Cannot see what he is achieving by sticking around.
Because if the club is sold then RM is out of the door and he cannot go around and say he is the chairman of cafc
It's not meant to be snide - just factual. You have a far closer relationship to RM than anyone else.
Just as Rick does with PV.
I await to see how this credibility relationship benefits Charlton and not individuals.
From both sides I may add.
It's not factual. Not only is my relationship nowhere near what you've suggested ( based apparently entirely on what you've read on CL, since you and I have met for all of 2 minutes), but if you gave some thought to the history of RM at Charlton you'd realize that he knows Steve Clarke far better because Steve was the first VIP director in the 90s. The same would be true of Ben Hayes...
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encouragingdemanding in the interests of all Charlton supporters the start of dialogue between PV and the current shareholder - would be a startThis isn't a "I'm not speaking for the Trust" thing. If you speak on this forum and part of the Trust board (because you promote and talk about it) you're speaking for the Trust from my point of view.
There may be CL members other than Prague, Rikofold, Weegies(?) and Pico who are on the Board but I won't recognise it as its not promoted.
@PragueAddick - what are you're views on the Varney column in the VOTV?
As I've written many times, what really keeps me awake at night is who the hell might buy if RD is "forced" to sell. If it really is possible that a bid which involves PV could be tabled, I'd consider that to be the very best option.
As for your regrettably snide remark about a "relationship" with Richard Murray, it's obvious that there are significant personal issues between PV and RM. I knew nothing of the detail, but Airman filled me in, from a PV viewpoint of course. As somebody involved in human resources yourself, it might not be beyond you to realize that people who have good personal relationships or credibility with both sides of a difficult dispute, might actually be an asset to the club and its fans, rather than an obstacle.
Just as Rick does with PV.
I await to see how this credibility relationship benefits Charlton and not individuals.
From both sides I may add.
Perhaps he was duped by them and hence defended them and their plan hence his defence and support of them in the November meeting but surely things have deteriorated since then?
Why is he there in that position which is dressed up as a link to our past when surely admiration for all the good things he has done over the years is eroding daily?
If you can't perhaps Henry can answer as I know he is forthright in his opinion on other staff and ex employees/ trust members and has/ had a dialogue with him?
I just find it odd that RM is putting himself up for criticism. Surely if he is advising them/ ranting at them daily it's clear they are not listening so why hang around and further tarnish his once excellent reputation at the club by appearing to be in league with the fools killing our club.
I'm not meaning to be confrontational to either you or Henry in this post but it just puzzles me the relative silence from you both on Murray's relative silence.
If he turned round and said I cannot work with these people any longer and sit by watching them destroy the club with total disregard for its history, tradition and supporters then he would be back to hero status for it with many of us. Cannot see what he is achieving by sticking around.
What's the "Varney initiative"? Anyone? Or shall I just give up asking?
I appreciate that Ms Meire has assured us that Roland doesnt do failure, but neither am I sure that a headlong plunge towards relegation with falling attendances is what success looks like. I would like to understand what the current regime would consider to be failure. If this isn't it, I'm not surprised Roland doesn't do it, as there's clearly no such thing.
I don't know. I really don't know. That's because my "relationship" with Richard Murray is nowhere near as close as it is made out to be on CL. That isn't to say I'm backsliding on anything I've said in his defence. Simply that our "relationship" is nothing more than him being prepared to field a phone call from me and offering his thoughts on whatever.
The best guess - and this is what Airman and I agreed on when we talked today - is that he stayed on when RD took over because he hopes to protect his legacy (Airman's version) or because he genuinely believed he could play a role advocating the Charlton Way to RD (more my version, but much the same thing). Something like that. But not money, per se. Why he still persists, two years in, I don't know, because as I said I don't actually have the relationship with him where I could ever get to ask him. There will be others on the Trust Board who will have more chance to talk to him about that.