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  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,967
    edited May 2021
    Was happy at the prospect of watching AJ v Fury, less so of watching Fury v Wilder 3
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,924
    cafc999 said:
    Was happy at the prospect of watching AJ v Fury, less so of watching Fury v Wilder 3
    Was going to make a proper weekend of it, ship the baby out for a few days... hopefully see us play at home and then get back for the fight and spend 2 days recovering. Tyson vs wilder il probably just watch it on YouTube the next day. 
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,733
    edited May 2021
    I think Tyson Fury Wilder 3 should be boycotted on PPV. It might help stop this nonsense happening again.
  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,743

  • brownbear
    brownbear Posts: 78

    I think that if we had been living in ‘normal times’, then the appetite for the Fury/Wilder third fight would be at a minimum. However, given that there has been so little top level (heavyweight) boxing since their second fight, then I expect this to do decent PPV numbers, as punters have been starved of good fights.

     

    Having listened to Eddie Hearn a few times now, I am not in the least bit surprised that Fury Vs Joshua has temporaily been halted. Until Covid-19 clears up, then the numbers for that fight, just don’t work, no matter how much money the Saudi’s or whomever offer. If you get that fight on in a sold out Wembley/Cardiff, with a strong undercard and add in the enormous PPV numbers that it will attract, then you are looking at the biggest financial fight in history – imagine the money they will generate from corporate hospitality alone???

     

    There is no way that Hearn, Warren and Bob Arum are going to walk away from that kind of dosh, especially as it will likely be a two fight deal, so they get to do it all again six months later, and double their lolly!


  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,743
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    I think Tyson Fury Wilder 3 should be boycotted on PPV. It might help stop this nonsense happening again.
    Agree - but no chance it'll happen though. You only need to look at some of the PPV poop being served up recently that people will happily shell out for. Tyson v Wilder III is still way more attractive than most of the stuff served up on PPV of late.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,733
    The problem is, you have this fight that will be massive (Fury Joshua). Wilder has a hard punch and could land one on Fury. Joshua has history of losing to weaker opponent. So this massive fight may not be so massive in a year's time. If they had a fight in Saudi, they could do a three fight deal and make the money over those. 

    That is the best option for Fury and Joshua. Whatever the outcome they will be seriously rich from it all. Wilder, I believe would rather step aside but knows there is a premium in doing so. 
  • Six-a-bag-of-nuts
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts Posts: 8,127
    My gut feeling is Fury and Joshua are destined never to fight each other for a unified undisputed heavyweight title.
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,851
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    The problem is, you have this fight that will be massive (Fury Joshua). Wilder has a hard punch and could land one on Fury. Joshua has history of losing to weaker opponent. So this massive fight may not be so massive in a year's time. If they had a fight in Saudi, they could do a three fight deal and make the money over those. 

    That is the best option for Fury and Joshua. Whatever the outcome they will be seriously rich from it all. Wilder, I believe would rather step aside but knows there is a premium in doing so. 
    Not sure Usyk can be described as a weaker opponent - smaller yes. If Joshua doesn't land the big bombs then Usyk will out box him - he can also dig! I agree that Wilder could literally come out swinging and land a 'goodnight Vienna' looping right.

    I've got to the point now where I really couldn't give a shit if AJ/Fury ever comes off.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,733
    I meant Ruiz Junior as the weaker opponent just to make the point that either fighter could lose some appeal in the fight if they don't fight each other next.
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  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,851
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    I meant Ruiz Junior as the weaker opponent just to make the point that either fighter could lose some appeal in the fight if they don't fight each other next.
    Joshua will fight Usyk next, or else he will be stripped of the WBO belt - and bang goes the big prize of undisputed for a Fury/Joshua fight.
  • Ian Nightingale
    Ian Nightingale Posts: 392
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
    My gut feeling is Fury and Joshua are destined never to fight each other for a unified undisputed heavyweight title.
    you could well be right too much bollocks in boxing

  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,450
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/may/27/time-to-find-out-who-cares-boxing-brain-damage-tris-dixon

    Interesting article about brain damage in boxing and the need for greater regulation. Boxing authorities need to do far more to protect boxers.
  • Stefco
    Stefco Posts: 848
    bobmunro said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    I meant Ruiz Junior as the weaker opponent just to make the point that either fighter could lose some appeal in the fight if they don't fight each other next.
    Joshua will fight Usyk next, or else he will be stripped of the WBO belt - and bang goes the big prize of undisputed for a Fury/Joshua fight.
    WBA, WBC & IBF are perfectly fine for undisputed champions. 

    Why the WBO title is held in such regard I  never know. Pony belt really. Narks me when they make their demands on who should fight who.😄

    Bowe, Tyson,  Holyfield, Lewis, all undisputed champs wthout the need for the WBO in there. 
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,851
    Stefco said:
    bobmunro said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    I meant Ruiz Junior as the weaker opponent just to make the point that either fighter could lose some appeal in the fight if they don't fight each other next.
    Joshua will fight Usyk next, or else he will be stripped of the WBO belt - and bang goes the big prize of undisputed for a Fury/Joshua fight.
    WBA, WBC & IBF are perfectly fine for undisputed champions. 

    Why the WBO title is held in such regard I  never know. Pony belt really. Narks me when they make their demands on who should fight who.😄

    Bowe, Tyson,  Holyfield, Lewis, all undisputed champs wthout the need for the WBO in there. 
    I'm not disagreeing with you, but that's the way it is.

    For me there's only one that really counts and that's the WBC, followed by the WBA. The IBF is not a great deal more meaningful that the WBO.
  • Stefco
    Stefco Posts: 848
    bobmunro said:
    Stefco said:
    bobmunro said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    I meant Ruiz Junior as the weaker opponent just to make the point that either fighter could lose some appeal in the fight if they don't fight each other next.
    Joshua will fight Usyk next, or else he will be stripped of the WBO belt - and bang goes the big prize of undisputed for a Fury/Joshua fight.
    WBA, WBC & IBF are perfectly fine for undisputed champions. 

    Why the WBO title is held in such regard I  never know. Pony belt really. Narks me when they make their demands on who should fight who.😄

    Bowe, Tyson,  Holyfield, Lewis, all undisputed champs wthout the need for the WBO in there. 
    I'm not disagreeing with you, but that's the way it is.

    For me there's only one that really counts and that's the WBC, followed by the WBA. The IBF is not a great deal more meaningful that the WBO.
    I know. Nowt to be done now to change it.

    How long before undisputed means having to fight for all the 56 WBA title variations, like super, regular, interim, etc? 😄
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,231
    edited May 2021
    John Fury, the big daddy of the fighting family, has told his son to jack in the WBC Belt as he feels Tyson should've fought AJ and not fight Wilder again.

    I enjoyed listening to John Fury on a BT fight night alongside his youngest fighting son Tommy, and watching his various Nephews boxing.

    John is a wise man who knows Tyson can lose focus and feels uneasy with this third fight as boxing politics has put pay to the fight the UK/World want to see.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,987
    soapboxsam said:
    John Fury, the big daddy of the fighting family, has told his son to jack in the WBC Belt as he feels Tyson should've fought AJ and not fight Wilder again.

    I enjoyed listening to John Fury on a BT fight night alongside his youngest fighting son Tommy, and watching his various Nephews boxing.

    John is a wise man who knows Tyson can lose focus and feels uneasy with this third fight as boxing politics has put pay to the fight the UK/World want to see.
    Fantastic honest interview. Tyson should listen to his old man.
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,924
    Always thought John was a bit of a dick, but that was a great interview. There's a huge chance that either fury or AJ lose in the nect couple of months amd the fight we all want to see, gets pushed aside for another couple of years or just doesn't happen at all. 

    Tyson has really grown on me the last couple of years, but to bang on about legacy and then not even offer to pay wilder off, has made him look a proper twat. 
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,851
    shine166 said:
    Always thought John was a bit of a dick, but that was a great interview. There's a huge chance that either fury or AJ lose in the nect couple of months amd the fight we all want to see, gets pushed aside for another couple of years or just doesn't happen at all. 

    Tyson has really grown on me the last couple of years, but to bang on about legacy and then not even offer to pay wilder off, has made him look a proper twat. 

    I think history tells you he isn't a very nice man!
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  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    Fury's resume isn't anything to shout about really. Outboxed Klitschko, then disappeared, then drew and outfought wilder, and hasn't boxed for ages. A lot of unfulfilled potential in there, it's a joke he hasn't fought more. Unless he beats AJ he won't be remembered as anything in 10 years time
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,924
    bobmunro said:
    shine166 said:
    Always thought John was a bit of a dick, but that was a great interview. There's a huge chance that either fury or AJ lose in the nect couple of months amd the fight we all want to see, gets pushed aside for another couple of years or just doesn't happen at all. 

    Tyson has really grown on me the last couple of years, but to bang on about legacy and then not even offer to pay wilder off, has made him look a proper twat. 

    I think history tells you he isn't a very nice man!
    That's unfair, he only pulled out another man's eye in a scrap. 
  • Carter
    Carter Posts: 14,251
    McBobbin said:
    Fury's resume isn't anything to shout about really. Outboxed Klitschko, then disappeared, then drew and outfought wilder, and hasn't boxed for ages. A lot of unfulfilled potential in there, it's a joke he hasn't fought more. Unless he beats AJ he won't be remembered as anything in 10 years time
    Couldn't disagree more, legacy in Tysons case is beating the main man which he has done twice very convincingly. The lack of heavyweights with anything resembling pedigree isn't his fault. To be honest I don't pay much attention to speculative talk from fighters and their camps about who they are going to fight until the fighters have weighed in 
  • CAFCsayer
    CAFCsayer Posts: 10,228
    Carter said:
    McBobbin said:
    Fury's resume isn't anything to shout about really. Outboxed Klitschko, then disappeared, then drew and outfought wilder, and hasn't boxed for ages. A lot of unfulfilled potential in there, it's a joke he hasn't fought more. Unless he beats AJ he won't be remembered as anything in 10 years time
    Couldn't disagree more, legacy in Tysons case is beating the main man which he has done twice very convincingly. The lack of heavyweights with anything resembling pedigree isn't his fault. To be honest I don't pay much attention to speculative talk from fighters and their camps about who they are going to fight until the fighters have weighed in 
    On what planet is Wilder the man? He gets beat by AJ, gets convincingly embarrassed by Usyk and probably gets knocked out by dillian. Fury needs to beat AJ to go down as a great, and he does that convincingly 
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    Carter said:
    McBobbin said:
    Fury's resume isn't anything to shout about really. Outboxed Klitschko, then disappeared, then drew and outfought wilder, and hasn't boxed for ages. A lot of unfulfilled potential in there, it's a joke he hasn't fought more. Unless he beats AJ he won't be remembered as anything in 10 years time
    Couldn't disagree more, legacy in Tysons case is beating the main man which he has done twice very convincingly. The lack of heavyweights with anything resembling pedigree isn't his fault. To be honest I don't pay much attention to speculative talk from fighters and their camps about who they are going to fight until the fighters have weighed in 
    Not having that. He's fought chisora twice but otherwise a bunch of bean cans and a washed up Klitschko in a snoozefest. There's plenty of people he could have fought from Whyte, Ortiz, povetkin, Ruiz but hasn't. Wilder II was impressive and he really should have won the.first. I rate him as the best right now but don't think his resume justifies him being a great but more of a could have been like Bowe.
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,466
    edited May 2021
    Fury v Wilder will make £millions
    Joshua v Usyk will make £millions

    Fury v Joshua x 3 at the end of it all will make countless £millions

    This latest facade is all about the Arums, Hearns and Warrens of this world milking their cash cows dry.
  • Carter
    Carter Posts: 14,251
    McBobbin said:
    Carter said:
    McBobbin said:
    Fury's resume isn't anything to shout about really. Outboxed Klitschko, then disappeared, then drew and outfought wilder, and hasn't boxed for ages. A lot of unfulfilled potential in there, it's a joke he hasn't fought more. Unless he beats AJ he won't be remembered as anything in 10 years time
    Couldn't disagree more, legacy in Tysons case is beating the main man which he has done twice very convincingly. The lack of heavyweights with anything resembling pedigree isn't his fault. To be honest I don't pay much attention to speculative talk from fighters and their camps about who they are going to fight until the fighters have weighed in 
    Not having that. He's fought chisora twice but otherwise a bunch of bean cans and a washed up Klitschko in a snoozefest. There's plenty of people he could have fought from Whyte, Ortiz, povetkin, Ruiz but hasn't. Wilder II was impressive and he really should have won the.first. I rate him as the best right now but don't think his resume justifies him being a great but more of a could have been like Bowe.
    The point is he has fought and beaten 2 of the 3 opponents that were beating everyone else and held the belts. The man who beat the men. In fact it makes what he's done even more remarkable when you see how far he stepped up and adept he was at the highest level. 

    Not to make light of Joshua but for context the same guy Fury beat literally with his hands behind his back at times nearly stopped Joshua, the washed up Klitschko. 

    Joshua, Wilder and Fury are about all the heavyweight division has to offer currently even if I think Wilder has been well and truly found out now 
  • Maccn05
    Maccn05 Posts: 967
    You could say Fury boxed defensively at length against Klitschko and didn’t hurt him while AJ went toe to toe and KO’d him ... it’s all opinions and circumstances.

    What I would agree with is that Fury’s record is heavily padded and his career stop/start to this point

    But while I can’t stand the guy you can’t take away that he’s beaten everyone he’s faced.

    The next 2/3 years for him should be about defeating Wilder / AJ / Whyte / Usyk and maybe a Joyce or DDD so he has a worthy legacy at this moment AJ has fought more better fighters.
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    Don't get me wrong I like Fury and believe he has the beating of anyone,  AJ included, I just don't think his resume is all that impressive. By impressive I mean up there with the greats. I know he's had years of his prime lost to mental health issues and now Covid and it's a shame
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,851
    McBobbin said:
    Don't get me wrong I like Fury and believe he has the beating of anyone,  AJ included, I just don't think his resume is all that impressive. By impressive I mean up there with the greats. I know he's had years of his prime lost to mental health issues and now Covid and it's a shame

    None of the current crop  are up there, or any where near to what has come before in my lifetime in the top division - Fury and Joshua are shadows of Lewis, Tyson, Frazier, Holyfield, Foreman, Norton and, of course, the Greatest. The heavyweight division is a complete joke and although I accept that they can only be the measure of their generation it is a travesty of what is the greatest prize in sport.

    Boxing is my sporting passion (after Charlton of course) and it was always based on the best heavyweight - no longer and it hasn't been that for many a long year. It's such a shame that I look at, for example, welter and middle for my fix.

    Hey ho - it is what it is.

    P.S, it has taken me 20 minutes to write this post, having to correct every other word, as I am well and truly pissed after celebrating my 64th birthday! When I get older, losing my hair, many years ....

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