As pointed out elsewhere, when the ball gets kicked into the crowd, don't throw it back. Just leave it where it is, as its a criminal act to throw it onto or towards the pitch.
I don't think we need to be that unhelpful. Just carry it slowly and reverently down the steps to the front of the stand and hand it to a steward to return it to one of the ballboys. Or if someone's managed to lob it into the North or West Upper hand it to one of the stewards that loiter by the stairs to the concourse.
I note that the statement neglects to mention bringing your own whistle, so I assume this means the club are happy for us to do that again?
Whilst not agreeing with them, I can take on board some of the petty points raised in the statement. However I cannot see any justification for accusations of racism unless they are referring to the use of the adjective Belgian and if so what complete codswallop! I should imagine the Met has to go along with this charade whilst privately thinking - umm threats to national security or petty name calling in SE7 - which to prioritise?
Here is what the CPS (taken from their website) have to say on the matter:
Racist and Religious Crime - CPS Guidance
Racialist chanting at football matches Section 3 Football Offences Act 1991 (as amended) This offence is committed when a group of people, or one person acting alone, chants something of a racialist nature at a designated football match. "Racialist" means the same as "racist".
To prove this offence, the prosecution has to show that the chanting, which means the repeated uttering of words or sounds, was threatening, abusive or insulting to another person because of that person's colour, race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin.
We do not have to prove that the chanting was directed at a particular individual or group, although it will often be directed at a player or players from Black and minority ethnic communities.
We do have to prove that the football match was being played between teams from the Premier League, the Football League or the Conference League.
If convicted, the accused person can be fined (level 3), and, in addition to any other penalty, banned from attending football matches both in this country and abroad.
This offence is aimed at specific behaviour within football grounds at designated matches and was introduced to combat the problem of mass racist chanting.
However, this offence should not be seen in isolation and it is not the only legislative tool available to deal with racist or religious football related crime.....................................
Depending on the facts of each case, we should consider carefully all the available information so that we prosecute the offence (or offences) that reflects most accurately the offender's behaviour and which allows the court to take account of any racist or religious hostility or motivation.
As pointed out elsewhere, when the ball gets kicked into the crowd, don't throw it back. Just leave it where it is, as its a criminal act to throw it onto or towards the pitch.
I don't think we need to be that unhelpful. Just carry it slowly and reverently down the steps to the front of the stand and hand it to a steward to return it to one of the ballboys. Or if someone's managed to lob it into the North or West Upper hand it to one of the stewards that loiter by the stairs to the concourse.
I note that the statement neglects to mention bringing your own whistle, so I assume this means the club are happy for us to do that again?
Surely, if we are to be completely helpful (yet also aware of the potential for injuries, if a ball were, inadvertently, to be returned too quickly), should we not deflate the ball before returning it???
Wanker definition: "a very stupid or unpleasant person". Check. Belgian definition: "a native or inhabitant of Belgium, or a person of Belgian descent". Check.
Putting the two together and chanting a statement of fact while expressing a desire that said Belgium Wankers vacate the premises can be illegal? Really? Well good luck with that one! BTW it seems trusting the Met on such matters was not a good move by the Club. Their incompetence has recent antecedents. telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/12204130/I-confronted-a-Muslim-tweet-suspect-no-longer-charge-with-race-hate-offence.html Yes, that's right folks, they charged someone when they lacked the authority to do so. Doh!
BTW, if anyone is watching, just for the sake of clarity, I was chanting Belgian Waffles - it was a term of endearment.
I think they have just added a whole new level and depth to the word "idiotic". So at Charlton you can throw your weight around and ruin the first team and the whole football experience without any responsibility, BUT you will feel the full force of the law if you chuck a beach ball about. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! What a bunch of muppets.....
I know there are those who have justified renewing their season tickets. It just seems to me that those justifications are becoming ever more flimsy and this latest statement is another example of the utter contempt we are held in by the scum who currently own and manage CAFC. I wear the black and white scarf. I protest. I walked out on 74 or whatever it was but I feel deep down that refusal to renew is the only thing I can do that will have significant impact. If every single supporter did the same, it would be a beautiful thing. Not one more penny until they are gone.
I know there are those who have justified renewing their season tickets. It just seems to me that those justifications are becoming ever more flimsy and this latest statement is another example of the utter contempt we are held in by the scum who currently own and manage CAFC. I wear the black and white scarf. I protest. I walked out on 74 or whatever it was but I feel deep down that refusal to renew is the only thing I can do that will have significant impact. If every single supporter did the same, it would be a beautiful thing. Not one more penny until they are gone.
I'm a peaceable 60 year old grandfather, about as far away from an anarchist as you could get.......yet I just want to rip their throats out for what they are doing to our club and the way they are treating us fans.
If they think statements like this are going to stop us they are in for a very nasty surprise.
I'll advise my 11 year old daughter (who threw a beachball on) to expect a knock then.
Charlton don't deal with things upfront do they? I'll expect the front door to be stoved in at 5am by the SPG with Cojones and Squirell face giving a live commentary to the Dear Leader in his bunker.
Absolute clowns.
You brought it on yourselves. Deal with it. If you don't like it, there is a very simple solution.
On a positive note I can only sea that this latest dictat from the hierarchy will strengthen resolve amongst the protest and protesters, increase the funding for CARD and inevitably reach a few more people who are wavering about renewing their season tickets, or actually think that Roland is doing a good job.
'Haven't got a fucking clue', is a complete understatement of the COO and CEO.
I think we should all be writing to MPS; something along the lines of we believe they have more important things to spend their time on rather than worrying about a few beach balls being thrown on a football pitch.
I'm a peaceable 60 year old grandfather, about as far away from an anarchist as you could get.......yet I just want to rip their throats out for what they are doing to our club and the way they are treating us fans.
If they think statements like this are going to stop us they are in for a very nasty surprise.
Totally agree ...these people are so wrong for our club. They have have no appreciation for our history and what makes us unique. Or is that what Daisy means by weird?
I think we should all be writing to MPS; something along the lines of we believe they have more important things to spend their time on rather than worrying about a few beach balls being thrown on a football pitch.
Having properly read it and digested it, something interesting has crossed my mind:
A reminder that the following is illegal and will be investigated: entering the field of play or adjacent areas (i.e. pitch invasion); the throwing of any objects in the ground; racist or homophobic chanting; carrying or using pyrotechnics inside or outside the ground.
Could it be argued that chanting "You Belgian wankers" is racist? If so...
That's Xenophobic which is, by all means, fine
Definitely not racist. It's a fact. They are from Belgium and just so happen to be wankers. If they respected our club, its history and the intelligence of us fans I would be prepared to drop the Belgium bit from the chant.
Given recent events in Brussels, there should only be one group of Belgians NSY should be talking to this week and it ain't the over sensitive clowns that "run" Charlton.
Trouble is I think they do have a clue and know exactly what they are doing. I don't think they care if and when the vast majority fuck off. These statements, in my mind, confirm this. No management in their right mind would alienate their "customers" so blatantly and far from trying to engage with fans they are actively antagonising us. I'm sick of it. Oh and I know it's been said but Richard Murray you should be fucking ashamed of yourself.
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"No incoming beach balls from the East to report Herr Tony"
I note that the statement neglects to mention bringing your own whistle, so I assume this means the club are happy for us to do that again?
Belgian definition: "a native or inhabitant of Belgium, or a person of Belgian descent". Check.
Putting the two together and chanting a statement of fact while expressing a desire that said Belgium Wankers vacate the premises can be illegal? Really? Well good luck with that one! BTW it seems trusting the Met on such matters was not a good move by the Club. Their incompetence has recent antecedents. telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/12204130/I-confronted-a-Muslim-tweet-suspect-no-longer-charge-with-race-hate-offence.html Yes, that's right folks, they charged someone when they lacked the authority to do so. Doh!
BTW, if anyone is watching, just for the sake of clarity, I was chanting Belgian Waffles - it was a term of endearment.
So at Charlton you can throw your weight around and ruin the first team and the whole football experience without any responsibility, BUT you will feel the full force of the law if you chuck a beach ball about.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
What a bunch of muppets.....
I'm a peaceable 60 year old grandfather, about as far away from an anarchist as you could get.......yet I just want to rip their throats out for what they are doing to our club and the way they are treating us fans.
If they think statements like this are going to stop us they are in for a very nasty surprise.
Charlton don't deal with things upfront do they? I'll expect the front door to be stoved in at 5am by the SPG with Cojones and Squirell face giving a live commentary to the Dear Leader in his bunker.
Absolute clowns.
You brought it on yourselves. Deal with it. If you don't like it, there is a very simple solution.
'Haven't got a fucking clue', is a complete understatement of the COO and CEO.
you'll be out in 12 anyway.
Run along little boy.
Definitely not racist. It's a fact. They are from Belgium and just so happen to be wankers.
If they respected our club, its history and the intelligence of us fans I would be prepared to drop the Belgium bit from the chant.
Why are they interested in this at all?
Why isn't it being dealt with at a local level?
Just another weird occurrence from our unique management team.
This mob are a joke.