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STATEMENT: From CAFC and the Met Police

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  • mid_life_crisis
    mid_life_crisis Posts: 3,264
    paulbaconsarnie said:

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    "No incoming beach balls from the East to report Herr Tony"

    Brilliant, genuine lol.

  • aliwibble
    aliwibble Posts: 26,300
    cafckev said:

    As pointed out elsewhere, when the ball gets kicked into the crowd, don't throw it back. Just leave it where it is, as its a criminal act to throw it onto or towards the pitch.

    I don't think we need to be that unhelpful. Just carry it slowly and reverently down the steps to the front of the stand and hand it to a steward to return it to one of the ballboys. Or if someone's managed to lob it into the North or West Upper hand it to one of the stewards that loiter by the stairs to the concourse.

    I note that the statement neglects to mention bringing your own whistle, so I assume this means the club are happy for us to do that again?
  • jams
    jams Posts: 1,219
    cherryorchard said:


    Whilst not agreeing with them, I can take on board some of the petty points raised in the statement. However I cannot see any justification for accusations of racism unless they are referring to the use of the adjective Belgian and if so what complete codswallop! I should imagine the Met has to go along with this charade whilst privately thinking - umm threats to national security or petty name calling in SE7 - which to prioritise?

    Here is what the CPS (taken from their website) have to say on the matter:

    Racist and Religious Crime - CPS Guidance

    Racialist chanting at football matches Section 3 Football Offences Act 1991 (as amended)
    This offence is committed when a group of people, or one person acting alone, chants something of a racialist nature at a designated football match. "Racialist" means the same as "racist".

    To prove this offence, the prosecution has to show that the chanting, which means the repeated uttering of words or sounds, was threatening, abusive or insulting to another person because of that person's colour, race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin.

    We do not have to prove that the chanting was directed at a particular individual or group, although it will often be directed at a player or players from Black and minority ethnic communities.

    We do have to prove that the football match was being played between teams from the Premier League, the Football League or the Conference League.

    If convicted, the accused person can be fined (level 3), and, in addition to any other penalty, banned from attending football matches both in this country and abroad.


    This offence is aimed at specific behaviour within football grounds at designated matches and was introduced to combat the problem of mass racist chanting.

    However, this offence should not be seen in isolation and it is not the only legislative tool available to deal with racist or religious football related crime.....................................


    Depending on the facts of each case, we should consider carefully all the available information so that we prosecute the offence (or offences) that reflects most accurately the offender's behaviour and which allows the court to take account of any racist or religious hostility or motivation.

    Outside west stand fine then :)
  • happyvalley
    happyvalley Posts: 8,996
    paulbaconsarnie said:

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    "No incoming beach balls from the East to report Herr Tony"

    That is bloody superb.
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    Peaceful protest - you have to laugh.
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    paulbaconsarnie said:

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    "No incoming beach balls from the East to report Herr Tony"

    Haha - quality.
  • NornIrishAddick
    NornIrishAddick Posts: 9,623
    aliwibble said:

    cafckev said:

    As pointed out elsewhere, when the ball gets kicked into the crowd, don't throw it back. Just leave it where it is, as its a criminal act to throw it onto or towards the pitch.

    I don't think we need to be that unhelpful. Just carry it slowly and reverently down the steps to the front of the stand and hand it to a steward to return it to one of the ballboys. Or if someone's managed to lob it into the North or West Upper hand it to one of the stewards that loiter by the stairs to the concourse.

    I note that the statement neglects to mention bringing your own whistle, so I assume this means the club are happy for us to do that again?
    Surely, if we are to be completely helpful (yet also aware of the potential for injuries, if a ball were, inadvertently, to be returned too quickly), should we not deflate the ball before returning it???
  • cafcfan
    cafcfan Posts: 11,200
    Wanker definition: "a very ​stupid or ​unpleasant ​person". Check.
    Belgian definition: "a native or inhabitant of Belgium, or a person of Belgian descent". Check.

    Putting the two together and chanting a statement of fact while expressing a desire that said Belgium Wankers vacate the premises can be illegal? Really? Well good luck with that one! BTW it seems trusting the Met on such matters was not a good move by the Club. Their incompetence has recent antecedents. telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/12204130/I-confronted-a-Muslim-tweet-suspect-no-longer-charge-with-race-hate-offence.html Yes, that's right folks, they charged someone when they lacked the authority to do so. Doh!

    BTW, if anyone is watching, just for the sake of clarity, I was chanting Belgian Waffles - it was a term of endearment.
  • 3blokes
    3blokes Posts: 4,610
    I think they have just added a whole new level and depth to the word "idiotic".
    So at Charlton you can throw your weight around and ruin the first team and the whole football experience without any responsibility, BUT you will feel the full force of the law if you chuck a beach ball about.
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
    What a bunch of muppets.....

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  • mid_life_crisis
    mid_life_crisis Posts: 3,264
    redsek said:

    I know there are those who have justified renewing their season tickets. It just seems to me that those justifications are becoming ever more flimsy and this latest statement is another example of the utter contempt we are held in by the scum who currently own and manage CAFC. I wear the black and white scarf. I protest. I walked out on 74 or whatever it was but I feel deep down that refusal to renew is the only thing I can do that will have significant impact. If every single supporter did the same, it would be a beautiful thing. Not one more penny until they are gone.

    My sentiments entirely.
  • TelMc32
    TelMc32 Posts: 9,056
    Oakster said:

    from

    we'll be using our cameras to pick out fans doing crazy things & we'll invite them to sit on the sofa for the next match

    to

    we'll be using our cameras to pick out protestors chucking beach balls & we'll invite them to attend their local police station for next 100 matches

    The latter is far less humiliating than the former, so fine by me!!
  • Atletico Addick
    Atletico Addick Posts: 5,843
    They want us out the media - it's embarrassing them and costing them good money. More fuel to the fire.

  • Slartibartfast
    Slartibartfast Posts: 1,120
    I could have posted exactly the same statement Davo.
  • Clem_Snide
    Clem_Snide Posts: 11,741
    edited March 2016
    I'll advise my 11 year old daughter (who threw a beachball on) to expect a knock then.

    Charlton don't deal with things upfront do they? I'll expect the front door to be stoved in at 5am by the SPG with Cojones and Squirell face giving a live commentary to the Dear Leader in his bunker.

    Absolute clowns.

    You brought it on yourselves. Deal with it. If you don't like it, there is a very simple solution.
  • Clem_Snide
    Clem_Snide Posts: 11,741
    OB are advancing on CARD HQ as I write.
  • man_at_milletts
    man_at_milletts Posts: 5,620
    On a positive note I can only sea that this latest dictat from the hierarchy will strengthen resolve amongst the protest and protesters, increase the funding for CARD and inevitably reach a few more people who are wavering about renewing their season tickets, or actually think that Roland is doing a good job.

    'Haven't got a fucking clue', is a complete understatement of the COO and CEO.

  • Macronate
    Macronate Posts: 12,897
    CharltonDave85 said:

    Im off to jail then as I threw a beach ball see you all in 25 years.

    if you can't do the time, don't commit the crime.

    you'll be out in 12 anyway.

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  • redman
    redman Posts: 5,286
    I think we should all be writing to MPS; something along the lines of we believe they have more important things to spend their time on rather than worrying about a few beach balls being thrown on a football pitch.
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 34,015
    Davo55 said:

    Just pouring petrol on the flames.

    I'm a peaceable 60 year old grandfather, about as far away from an anarchist as you could get.......yet I just want to rip their throats out for what they are doing to our club and the way they are treating us fans.

    If they think statements like this are going to stop us they are in for a very nasty surprise.

    Totally agree ...these people are so wrong for our club. They have have no appreciation for our history and what makes us unique. Or is that what Daisy means by weird?
  • T_C_E
    T_C_E Posts: 16,421
    Macronate said:

    CharltonDave85 said:

    Im off to jail then as I threw a beach ball see you all in 25 years.

    if you can't do the time, don't commit the crime.

    you'll be out in 12 anyway.
    He got 12 twelve for throwing it, the other twelve was based on Inflation. .... I'll get my coat. :(
  • cafckev
    cafckev Posts: 2,915
    redman said:

    I think we should all be writing to MPS; something along the lines of we believe they have more important things to spend their time on rather than worrying about a few beach balls being thrown on a football pitch.

    A letter/email to the Borough Commander maybe?
  • charltonkeston
    charltonkeston Posts: 7,369
    CAFCsayer said:

    LuckyReds said:

    Having properly read it and digested it, something interesting has crossed my mind:

    A reminder that the following is illegal and will be investigated: entering the field of play or adjacent areas (i.e. pitch invasion); the throwing of any objects in the ground; racist or homophobic chanting; carrying or using pyrotechnics inside or outside the ground.
    Could it be argued that chanting "You Belgian wankers" is racist? If so...
    That's Xenophobic which is, by all means, fine :smile:



    Definitely not racist. It's a fact. They are from Belgium and just so happen to be wankers.
    If they respected our club, its history and the intelligence of us fans I would be prepared to drop the Belgium bit from the chant.
  • alan dugdale
    alan dugdale Posts: 3,077
    Given recent events in Brussels, there should only be one group of Belgians NSY should be talking to this week and it ain't the over sensitive clowns that "run" Charlton.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,236
    Why Scotland yard?

    Why are they interested in this at all?

    Why isn't it being dealt with at a local level?

    Just another weird occurrence from our unique management team.
  • Nug
    Nug Posts: 4,623
    Trouble is I think they do have a clue and know exactly what they are doing. I don't think they care if and when the vast majority fuck off. These statements, in my mind, confirm this. No management in their right mind would alienate their "customers" so blatantly and far from trying to engage with fans they are actively antagonising us. I'm sick of it. Oh and I know it's been said but Richard Murray you should be fucking ashamed of yourself.

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